Cool, are you happy with the angle and stuff?
Can you see yourself on there? Yeah, I've got a good draw line,
yeah. Hello mate.
How's it going?
Yeah, not too bad. Thanks.
Good. 292929 So we've had some more, no actually tonight.
How are you mate? How's your kid?
Anything happening? We never talk about our kids
anymore. We just talk about the shit show
that is reformed, which we will talk about.
I forgot I had a kid. I just thought I did this
podcast. Yeah, she's.
She's I just thought I did this podcast about autism and yeah,
absolutely. I don't know.
It's not drawn to it. Yeah.
Half term now, isn't it? So last week I mentioned she was
horrendously I'll antibiotics, everything else like that.
So she's on the back end of that now, which is good.
Finished a course of antibiotics and the thing she's suffering
with now, I think she's battling that illness is just ulcers all
over her mouth, gums, tongue, lips and that's just causing
another thing to. With with eight, like my oldest.
Typical, I swear. Like on a biological level,
there's something different with these kids where they just are
more, they're more kind of susceptible to this.
Yeah, it must be the body fighting.
It's been run down as well. So.
But Aidan never used to get used to get sick and then he bounced
back. It was fine.
But Thomas, every time Thomas gets sick, ulcers like listers,
cold sores. Just everything doesn't.
It yeah, everything just starts getting yeah, just goes to shit.
So, yeah, it's been, it's been a long week in that sense, but
she's on the mend now. She's on the mend now, which I'm
I'm pleased about obviously. And and hopefully we can get
through half term cool without any more incidents.
How about Thomas? Yeah, he's, he's all right mate.
He obviously he was poorly a couple of weeks ago.
He passed it on to his mum. She passed it on to me.
But he's good. But he had last week off because
he was poorly and so yeah, he had a week off and obviously
half terms. So what we did yesterday, he's
got this board, hasn't he, with Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and he can see when he's
going on the bus. So what we've decided to do last
night was add another column so we can see like we've put today.
So we'll move the Today down. And what we've done is we've
printed out, we, my wife, I didn't do any of this.
Mish has printed more home cards so that as he looks at it now
he's come down and he's seen that and he's got like today is
Monday home, but the rest of the days of the week also have home.
So we want to try and now get him to a position where he looks
at it and he can see his expectations for the week.
OK, I've got five days at school, then I'm at home for the
day and then I'm going to grandma's and do you know what I
mean? So trying to kind of build out
on that this morning. Just a little shit.
He, he's just funny. So who sat there?
Doesn't matter. Then you're a typical.
Doesn't matter, mate, It's all the same.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's kind of got himself.
You know, they figure out how to climb up stuff, don't they?
There's like the little wine rack, you know, when you think
like, how did you get up there? But then you find out how they
did it. You're like, of course, that's
what. They did like one of those goats
that just climbs a tree. Exactly.
Yeah, Yeah, all those cliffs. Yeah, absolutely.
And he's, he's obviously put his foot in the, the wine bottle
shelves to climb up and he's climbed up there and he's got
crisps out and he started eating these like gluten free Pringles.
And Mish was like, no, Thomas, no, not for breakfast, you know,
makes him some pancakes and like banana pancakes and stuff
because she likes sneaks, sneaks and good stuff in there.
Makes those for him. I walk back in after and I'm
like, oh, he's not eating any of his pancakes.
He's back up on the side. He's not eating any of his
pancakes. She's like, what?
He's just gone back in the cupboard and got his crisp out
again. I was like, did you just put the
crisp back in the cupboard? But well, I thought that when I
made the pancakes he'd be like, OK, I'll eat these now.
No, he's gone. No, no, fuck that.
I want to eat my. Choices.
He's making choices. Choices, choices.
Do you want your Pringles or do you want these banana pancakes?
I'm going to have some Pringles. So yeah, he's good, mate.
He's good. He's funny.
He he's building sentences now. He did, I tell you the other day
we put soon on the end of the sentence.
Yes, you did. Yeah, but yeah.
He's doing stuff like that now, so it's, yeah, it's cool.
But he's good mate, He's good. So we've got some more leaks,
some more some more leaks and reform leaks.
Being half Welsh, I love a leak, but these ones are slightly
different. So, yeah, it's it's that bloody
albatross that send white paper that was supposed to come out
about 15 years ago that keeps getting delayed and delayed and
delayed. And now they're saying early
2026. And I don't know what we're
talking about now. It could come out next week, the
week after, Yeah, because they're engaging with lots of
families, young people and teachers to make sure they get
this right. But looking at this league, at
this league that's come out, I don't know who the hell they're
talking to. Yeah, I think the one thing that
John take for me especially, I mean that the the I paper was
where it kind of yes. We need to give a shout out to
Rachel, don't we? Rachel, absolutely send
Alliance. Send Alliance Rachel you.
Will have sterling sterling work.
Yeah, it's just phenomenal. You'll have seen her.
If you don't know who we're talking about, you'll recognise
her because you will have seen it come up on one of your reels
probably. Susie's stuff comes out, she's
all over it and breaks it down perfectly, and we're very
grateful because she kind of signposts us to it and then we
can obviously deliver this to you guys.
But if you're not following her, go find her.
She's fantastic, really good at breaking this stuff down.
She actually went down and spoke to Georgia Gould, didn't she?
She did last week, week before. Minister for Schools.
Yeah, she was very, she was very courteous as to what
expectations might be, but I don't think she was surprised on
the way back, which she didn't quite get the answers that we
all want. I think we kind of had a similar
experience. You know, we got really well
with Georgia. There was still a lot of stuff
left unanswered. So, but yes, the thing that
really jumped out to me is I've been quite naive in thinking
kids like Thomas and Lydia are going to be fine because, you
know, they're so profane. They're not going to lose their
EHCP. Well, that might not be the
fucking case. No, that might not be the case
at all. So obviously any HC is designed
to, or the HCP is designed to set out a child's needs, specify
required provisions, and more importantly, it's legally
enforceable. So it does place that legal duty
on the local authority. So, you know, families are
guaranteed support, which is the the key thing there.
But the the new set of leaks are saying EHCPS will be protected
until 20-30. Yeah.
So enjoy the next four years. The government will then attempt
to build capacity in mainstream schools.
And after 20-30, you know, EHCPS may no longer be necessary
because we'll be living in utopia.
Or or not. Yeah.
I think it may be the latter. Yeah.
Did you see the obviously as far as the EHC PS: Teacher training
mainstream schools? Did you see the video of the
example of what a special educational needs classroom
might look like in a mainstream school?
I did see that, yeah, and I didn't recognise it.
I didn't recognise it. What did you think of that?
Because it a little bit like the Barbie thing.
I was a bit like what? But then I.
I just think everything that's been pumped out by the
Department for Education at the moment is a very watered down,
lukewarm, let's put some rose tinted glasses on version of
what our children are going through.
And in particular the same between us in the sense that
we'll just have this magical place that they can go to.
And I think an example was we'll have multi coloured biros for
them in a fidget. That, but that, that was
surprising. What's the black one for?
The black ones for this. What's the blue one for?
What is that a thing? I honestly don't know, but from,
you know, like Tesco brought out and Fair Play to Tesco's, they
brought that thing where if you've got neurodivergent kids,
you can go there to customer service, request that kind of
special pack. Oh yeah.
And they'll give it to your kids.
And there's things like, you know, the fidget spinners,
little little bits and bobs that you can give your child while
she go around to your supermarket shop.
Just made me think of that going, is this what the
government's plan? Just to have a little box with
fidget spinners and multi coloured pens and that's going
to solve the problem. Yeah, there was like a red, red,
yellow green card thing as well, wasn't.
There, if that's their understanding what
neurodivergence is, then they're in for a bloody shock or the
teachers are going to be in for a shock when all these kids
descend on these schools. But it's what what I picked up
on was you're pushing out the best case scenario every time,
weren't you? That kind of.
So to the families, it's almost like we're being gaslit going,
what the fuck are you doing? This isn't how it works.
But to people, the vast majority of the the nation who don't know
anybody that's neurodivergent or or kids that are going through
this, they'll go, oh, isn't that great?
That makes sense. Yeah, they're doing a great job
and it's going to create that divide again.
But yeah, they'll get the overwhelming support, but by the
families who aren't affected by it.
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, why is this?
This is like propaganda you're pushing out.
Yeah, it's, yeah, it's a, it's a weird one.
I mean. And again, like these these
classrooms are set out. And again, I mean I I'm coming
from a position of someone, I don't have a sin between her.
Right. But.
I mean, we're fine for the next four years.
Yeah, we're saying the next four years.
But as far as as far as these kids are concerned, we always
talk about like how how huge and varied the spectrum is the the
Dulux. Colour guards.
Yeah, a different shade example of that.
That's because each individual child's needs are so different.
They're a shade different than like the colours of paint.
That classroom to me didn't depict that at all.
It depicted this is where all of the children with all of the
same type of need go with the same issues and the same
problems, and these five things on the desk are going to be able
to solve all of those issues. Yeah, but they've cured autism.
I just do it like the the the card thing.
Well, for for me is it like what do they do with that?
Have they mess on a yellow card here?
I'm feeling a bit. Is that the idea of that?
I think it isn't it I. Kind of presume so.
Yeah, and then there's that little fidgety thing because, I
mean, we called the pub, what do we call it?
The the stir and whistle, and there's a fidget spinner on it.
It's kind of a piss take, really.
Yeah, we did it as a bit of a piss take.
It's a bit of a piss take. It's a stereotype, a fidget
spinner for people with autism, but they actually that's what
they're going with. Everyone gets their own fidget
toy. Why?
They don't all necessarily need a fidget.
Oh no, they do, because autism. You all need a fidget toy.
Guess what? Lydia's never picked one up in
her life. Thomas couldn't give a shit.
In fact, the only time he has played with anything like that
was it it was a fidget spinner, funnily enough.
And he just stared at it and and span it that time.
And I was like when we just arranged the time we were
accepting the autism. That was it.
Once he's 6, it's. It's just, it's the same
principle of just saying like we're going to feed every kid
that's near a diverse chicken Nuggets.
Yeah, it's it's kind of that mindset.
Yeah. That that's a broad spread.
We'll, we'll cover everybody with that.
In fact, it was kind of like if you were to say between the crew
like, like autism bingo, piss take.
Yeah, taking the piss. What would you put on a table
for a classroom of a of a special editor called each
child? You put like those things
because it's a piss take of the stereotype of what everyone
thinks that, yeah, what they're having at dinner time.
Chicken Nuggets. Chicken Nuggets, yeah.
And I think beige, yeah. Yeah, just this huge stereotype.
And I'd like I was a bit like, is this a fucking joke?
And is that this deep research they've done based on that
video? Sorry, based on that video, you
can't say you've delayed the white paper because you want to
speak lots to lots of families. And that was the feedback.
It's like, yeah, what would make my life easier?
And we read all those last week. We did that episode where we
had, we had, we've had. I kid you not, probably hundreds
of parents e-mail us, message us over the last 10 days about
their personal stories with their kids.
And not one of them has said this would have been resolved if
my kids had a fidget spinner, some coloured biros and coloured
cards at class. Yeah, exactly.
If you if we turn around and we said to his parents, look, I
know what you're going through. Have you thought about fidget
spinner or this or that? Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, it would just be. I just, they just look at me
like I was an idiot. It's what I mean again, we're
looking at this from a from a cynical point of view, which.
It's probably best to at this moment.
In time. Exactly.
Because that is, that is the most sensible thing to do.
That setup will help some children.
I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will.
Yeah, it will help some 100%. But it just feels like it's
painted about. Look at this fucking amazing
thing we've said that you're all going to love, and it's going to
help all the kids. It's like it's going to help a
small percentage of the kids with very, very low need.
So like secondary schools then we've got the ages between 11
and 16. Yeah, they all going into one
room. They've got somebody potentially
going through their GCS, ES and somebody just picking up a
Shakespeare book for the first time.
We all sat in the same room. I've.
No idea. What happens when you lose?
I can't wait for the white paper.
What happens when you lose your fidget spinner?
Is there enough money in the pot to get another one?
It sounds like a fucking daft question, but at this stage,
yeah, no, you're entitled to two in a year.
That's it. Yeah, it's it's bizarre.
It's so weird. But again, we're like, because
they're not telling us anything really.
They're just we're getting little little snippets, little
leaks. But I mean, so actually if you
think about 2020 thirty, that's. This academic year, by the way,
we'll do it in #3. That's kind of when when Thomas
is going to be pushing towards secondary school.
So potentially him let's say secondary school with within a
specialist that that age group, that's kind of when his EHCP is
going to be potentially being reassessed as to whether he
needs one. Yeah.
I can't. I can't.
I can't fathom a world where he doesn't have one.
Yeah, I mean, it's just all right.
This, this Department for Education kind of video that's
going around or the promotional material, it is literally just
showing children who are mild needs.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's literally it,
isn't it? It's very mild needs.
And these are low cost adjustments and that's what
they're showing at the moment. Is it Bridget Phillipson that's
doing these video? I mean, I don't even quite who.
Yeah, when she opened her little bag, right.
Please listen to this guys, like anyone who's advising
politicians. Oh, God, there was one.
There was one a few years ago with Rishi Sunak.
It was amazing. Sorry.
I'll get back to that in a minute.
Bridget Phillipson. Hey, everybody, let's go through
my phone and to see what photos I've got on my phone.
Oh yeah. So this one was when we went and
visited such and such and he was just amazing.
And you just like that. That isn't the photo that's on
your phone. Just don't do the video.
It's so everyone knows. It's so contrived.
Yeah, exactly. So contrived you're trying to
get on a. But the video who do videos for
who do videos for? This is a coup.
You're doing these nice little videos.
I'm pulling stuff out of my bag. Oh, here's a picture of this.
All this is this is me and my phone.
And I remember this boy here, blah, blah, blah.
All right, this videos or the videos that you put in the
trumpet that Yeah, fuck sake, these are for neuro divergent
families. Yeah, if if, if you think these
videos are for neurodivergent families, you are gaslighting
us, right? Your gaslight is in the bigger
way. We already started to think that
you are a bunch of and so and so's you just well done.
I held it in that you held that in.
I held it in I. Could smell it.
We're monetized. I've got to be careful is that
we're just looking at it going. You're taking the piss now.
You're literally just like this is what you're putting out
there. You're putting these videos out
there for everybody else. You're saying you're looking
after our interests. But these videos and these like,
I'm going to call it propaganda because that's literally what it
is that you're putting out at the moment.
It is that it's for everybody else to get them on board.
It's just ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
And the whole EHCP thing, like it's there until 2030 and then
we might not have a need for it. It's it's again, that's absolute
bollocks. Yeah.
And The thing is with the ET PS, it's not even, it's not even
whether they stay. It's kind of it's, it's where
where they're drawing the line with who has that level of need
and who doesn't. And it feels, it feels like the
level of need is changing. We said like this from from last
week, a lot of these stories. And even since then, there's
been more where it feels like the level of need is waiting to
see what they can actually secure 1st and then when they
can secure XYZ. OK, cool.
We've got that. So we could put that in the
EHCPI. Mean do the videos just put non
verbal autistic kids in there? Yeah, that works out.
Yeah. Go into a classroom with with
kids like that or children with profound and and multiple
disabilities or children who physically cannot function in a
mainstream school, but you still stick them in there.
Put the video of that. Go see some of the families that
we spoke to last week where they're being massively failed
or the kids are literally out of their wit's end and cannot cope
with the day-to-day life. Why do you do a lovely
promotional video or one of those situations or where a kids
go, the school said turn up 10 minutes early and we can avoid
the crowds, but then there's no communication video of that
happening and they complete meltdown that happens afterwards
that and then show another video of the after effect that family
has to go through again to try and resolve it.
Yeah, no, you're not putting those ones out there because
they don't fit the narrative that you're trying to push on
everybody else. You're making send or you're
trying to push send out to the public as being mild manageable.
The people have got the issues are the pushy parents or the
neurotic parents and you're trying to say it's definitely
not a budget problem. And what, what really gets me as
well. Like they say, the system's
unsustainable and it needs to change.
Who's absorbing that change? Yeah, we all know who's
absorbing it, but they won't say it.
No, you know who's absorbing it and that's the parents and the
kids. They're going to be affected.
They're going to have to absorb the change, but they're not
saying it. In fact, they keep talking about
reform like it's going to make everything better for everybody.
We already know that's not the case.
Stop talking out your ass. Stop talking shit.
It it's it's going to get absorbed by all the parents and
kids that are already having a shit time.
And I doing this is like it. It's got like scaremongering.
And you know, we don't want to just say shit and make people
more depressed, but I think it's important.
That you say what you think is coming.
Yeah, People can prepare for it, even if it's emotionally,
because actually there's not a lot you can fucking do about it.
No. If they push it in, there's not
much we can do about it, is it? It's it's if.
You can just emotionally get ready for what's potentially
around the corner. It may help a little bit.
It doesn't change the fact it's still going to be a massive shit
show, no. It's going to suck and I don't
think again, I've been a bit of a pessimist there.
I don't think any amount of protesting, kicking up, turning
up to, even if everybody could get down to London for a
protest, yeah, what would it do? Even if everyone writes a letter
to their MP, right. Everyone writes a letter to
their MP, Are they going to do anything about it?
I. Don't know.
Chances are, probably not. Probably not.
We'll just come out with some rhetoric, like we absolutely
appreciate where you're coming from, how difficult it is.
Because ultimately you if it's a financial decision, they're
doing it because they feel like their hands are tied.
And no amount of parents crying e-mail.
I mean, they're going to be on auto reply.
They're going to auto reply to everyone's e-mail and everyone's
letter. Copy and paste.
Yeah, it is. It's going to be.
Everyone's going to have the same fucking response and I
guess it's fucking depressing, but I just think that's the way
it is and it's shit. It's, it's just absolutely
nonsense, isn't it? Absolutely nonsense.
And again, a bit like, you know, we said a couple of weeks ago
of, of all the groups that you can easily shaft and not expect
too much of A comeback, it's it's the elderly and the
disabled. Yeah.
Because what they're going to. Do most vulnerable people in
society? Yeah, What are you going to do
about it? Cool.
Absolutely nothing. This is a fun one, isn't it?
Yeah, I suppose the other thing is the two other announcements
that they made was that the 90% of council send deficits will be
written off. Oh.
Yes. And something called the safety
valve scheme will end. What's that I've missed that?
What's the? Safety valve scheme, The safety
valve scheme and OK, so under the let me get my notes right,
but under the safety valve scheme, councils with the
biggest deficits were told to reduce send spending.
In return they would receive financial support.
Now the targets were often set at reducing EHCP numbers.
OK. So more children therefore were
pushed into mainstream schools and specialist placements were
reduced. So many councils failed to meet
targets because the reductions conflicted with legal duties and
the demand for EHCPS was rising, not falling.
So that was called the kind of safety valve scheme.
It's like, do you know what? You've got a massive deficit.
If you sort your deficit out, we'll give you a little bit more
money to help you out. But to reduce deficit, stop
giving out EHCPS and put these kids in mainstream schools.
It was like beating them with a stick.
Karen, I can give you more money.
OK, So that was a safety valve scheme and that was an actual?
Scheme and it created. That's got to get me to create a
scheme around not giving children what they need, no?
But I'll give you a bit more money.
Yeah, that's essentially, isn't it?
So the council be like, well, how can we reduce it?
Because there's, there's these legal duties that we're tied to
that we have. Well, don't worry about it.
We'll get rid of the safety valve scheme and we'll get rid
of all legal duties attached to EHC.
PS:. Yes.
And we'll put more kids in mainstream school.
So there'll be any more deficits.
So they create a scheme that was specifically aimed at reducing
the amount of EHC PS children. That would be one of the
targets. That's one of the targets.
Yeah, set to it for example. OK, cool.
So, OK, so that makes so, so there's a financial incentive to
not give children what they needed essentially.
That's going to be part of the reason so many ended up going to
tribunal, surely. Yeah, which which ended up
putting legal costs up. So I know what we'll do.
We'll get rid of the tribunals and EHCP.
So that safety valve scheme actually only really works if
you fuck off the right to appeal.
Yes. Cool.
Yes, OK. So which is?
Probably what's now going to happen, isn't it?
Essentially, that's what this is going to be, this is what the
reform is going to be. Yeah, so basically it's going to
be like safety valve on steroids now.
Yeah. So instead of just some councils
entering agreements with with the government, now all councils
may need to submit reform plans. The debt write off is the carrot
and compliance reforms is the stick.
So we don't know what these reforms require, we don't know
if there will be targets associated with them.
We don't know if EHCP numbers will need to be reduced.
Local authorities have reportedly been briefed on
reforms since December, before the SEND National conversation
ended, so that suggests decisions may have already been
made prior to the big public. We're having a SEND national
conference conversation the. The scheme is designed to
restore financial stability, but it's faced criticism from
parents and advocates for prioritising financial targets
of their legal entitlements of children with special
educational needs. Yeah, yeah, 'cause it is.
That's exactly what it was fucking doing.
Why? So.
They gave it a name. It's not even like this bit.
This thing they were doing on the back door, they gave it a
fucking. Name No, it wasn't like a brown
paper bag full of money. No, this is like it's a scheme.
No, we care about your kids. Honestly get rid of these EHCP
stop spending money. So 90% of the council send
deficits will be written off. OK, you know that sounds
massively positive there. So local authorities have been
spending more on send services than they received from central
government, accumulating massive high need block deficits.
They're also paying interest on those debts and facing real
threat of effective bankruptcy. So the financial, the financial
pressure on councils and local authorities has led to delays in
assessments, attempts to reduce spending, placement pressures,
pressures more children pushed into mainstream settings.
And councils have been lobbying governments for years to resolve
these deficits. So now the government say we'll
wipe out 90% of it. That's enormous.
We'll get rid of the the kind of safety valve scheme.
But the problem is the write off is conditional.
You're not just going to write it off and say there you go,
have a clean slate, start again. Councils must now produce a send
reform plan that is acceptable to the Department for Education.
And this is where alarm bells should start ringing, because
this is exactly how the previous safety valve scheme worked.
So you effectively just got rid of it, but replaced it with
something exactly. What we just said.
So the headlines on those papers were like, bloody hell,
government spending on hard earned taxpayers money on these
disabled kids again, they've written off 90% of the debt and
all this sort of stuff. Well, you haven't really.
Yeah, you've got rid of it, but there's still, there's still
lots of. Yeah, they've got rid of it.
Shackles attached to it. Yeah, they they've just shut it
down, repackaged it, renamed it as something else.
It's the same fucking thing but worse.
Yeah, and you've got to remember now like future funding from
2028 to 29, like in the autumn budget just gone, send funding
will move to central government in 2028 and 29.
And obviously the key question is if councils don't hold the
purse strings, how do you control spending?
And one possible answer that everyone's saying is you hold
the deficit write off over them. So it's like we've taken away
this debt, now you've got to play ball with us.
Yeah, yeah. And you've.
Got to remember that 90% write off only covers deficits up to
March 2026, right, OK, So anything upon that, the council
to start accruing debt again? Yeah.
And they go look, we wrote it off.
You want to get some more you want.
The pressure now not to issue out UEC, yeah.
You want a bit of help, but there's money. 90% so that's
massive. Yeah, you can.
I mean, fucking kudos to the government.
You could see. I mean the fucking played a
fucking absolute blinder there. Oh, the deal.
We've cleared 90% of it. Cool.
You only owe us not. You've only owe us 10% now until
March, Yeah. Which, funnily enough, is
probably when they. All and the figures say from
2026 to 2028 councils will accrue billions in debt.
Again, government have said future support will be, and this
is inverted commerce, proportionate but not unlimited.
So that will keep the pressure on councils to play by their
rules now because they hold everything.
Has anybody, because obviously this is all it needed reform.
No one wants the local authority to be going bankrupt.
And yeah, almost all of them were we're.
All disabled kids are hated enough at the moment, we don't
need any more reason, do we? I'd love to know what the
alternative would have been to what they're doing.
It's not. It's not about money.
Yeah, it's not about money. Well, you know, everything I've
just read there is literally about money.
Yeah, it's all about money. And we get it has to be about
money, but where you're spending taxpayers money at the moment?
Yeah. Could it be more effectively
used for some of these children, or are more children going to be
written off and not given the opportunities to actually
succeed in life and potentially add value in the sense of being
taxpayers themselves? This this is like the key thing.
And I think one of the the the the measures that came out, I
think Rachel made a really good point from Send Reliances is
basically having the the right education early.
Early on. Yeah, really early on.
Yeah. OK.
The intervention education determines independence.
Independence, or the level of it determines, determines lifelong
care needs, and it's lifelong care that determines state
costs. Yeah, get it right early on.
Get it right early on. And.
And ironically, under supporting children now increases long term
public spending in the long run. Yeah, and and this is and that
that's that's the local authority.
Obviously that's their priority. Parents too parent like accept
what you what you what your kid needs.
If your kid needs a specially setting, get them especially
setting if you can. So many parents won't.
I know I know some their kids are 100% they need special
educational settings and they can't see it.
They can't see it because they don't want to accept it.
They don't want their kid being in a school where there's
profoundly disabled children in wheelchairs.
I don't want the stigma of that. Hoists.
Exactly. And it is, it's this.
And so it's I don't think it's even conscious.
I think it's quite subconscious. But if your kids get the right
education early on, chances of them thriving and being the best
they can be, yeah, it's so much higher, mate.
This is a little bit fucking scary, isn't it?
It is scary. It's a bit, it's a bit scary.
I'm at the stage now just like, you know, piss or get off the
pot. Do you know what I mean?
Just get the white paper out there.
Stop all this dicking. Around leaking stuff, it's just.
Getting just you know what, stop trying to RIP the plaster off
slowly and protect off. Just get it out there.
RIP it off exactly We can go through it.
We can hammer it out, tell you it's not fit for purpose here or
this little bit here is actually a quite a good idea, but you've
got to just let us. Know I'm like that Nate, just
fucking release it. If it's done, release it or just
fucking abate. Or just don't bother at all.
Yeah, that'll be better. Yeah, that'll be better.
Leave the shit show as it is. Cancels going bankrupt.
And this is I keep bouncing back because you can't carry on as it
is. No.
Is it like Shropshire giving special permission to increase
council rates by 9 percent or something like that?
You know, this is to have it all.
And the thing that's coming out now is because of the rhetoric
is a lot of uneducated, thick bastards are thinking it's
because of disabled children. Yeah, it's oh.
Yeah, it's great. Do you know what I mean?
And then you just get fucking idiots coming out and they're
just jumping on the bandwagon. We've had them in some of the
comments where they just, they just have no idea what they're
talking about and think that do you know what?
People just want to, you know, claim extra benefits and
everything else like that. You just want to label your
kids. And let's let's not be, let's
not pretend that doesn't exist. No, there'll be that small
minority. There's going to be a small
minority of people that are trying to get benefits.
But they'll do that with every benefit.
Exactly. They'll do that.
They'll do it with all of them. You know, it's it's you Don't
throw the baby out in the bath water.
I said in the, in our, you know, the dad's WhatsApp group this
morning, this earlier on today, it's like you can't just say,
right, OK, there's a, there's, there's a minority of people
that do it. So we must stop it for
everybody, you know, or, or curtail it.
It's like saying, Oh my God, somebody's had a car crash.
We must stop all drivers from getting behind the wheel.
No, it can't operate like that. There's always going to be that
small percentage that milk the system.
You just go get better at detecting it.
But I think I think it's important that as a community,
we, we, I'd say admit we recognise that we know that
happens because what happens is you get you get these points
that come from the other side, whether that be the amount we
spend on taxis or that there are people that are strange in the
system. And typically the response that
comes back is there's no one stranging the system.
What you want to make these children all all, all need.
This. Or my John needs to get.
He has a right. If that's in a taxi, it's in a
taxi. I think there's middle ground
where you got to go. Hang on.
Yeah, OK. Maybe a taxi to a private firm
isn't the best idea. Maybe we are kind of pissing
money away there. You you can meet people halfway
and go. Yeah, that probably isn't the
best idea in the world. But then you kind of think like,
all right, we're discussing taxis and like, some people, you
know, probably don't need a taxi.
Some people definitely do need a taxi.
Everything else like that, we're discussing taxis.
Why don't you take a step back? Why the government giving out
contracts to take if it's costing.
Oh, that's what I mean. If it's costing so much money
and we go, no, we're still giving out taxis.
Bring it in house. Yeah, bring it in house.
Don't don't like I've. Been saying that for fucking
months. Why?
Isn't that amount of money, as in their words, wasted on taxis
or transport like that, Right. Bring it in house.
Yeah. And like you do with things like
shop dock or something like that, right.
Here's a contract for the all of Shropshire or the West Midlands.
The bank. There you go, tender.
That's it now. That's a big government thing
though, is putting things out to tender to private companies and
paying absolutely insane amounts of money.
I just, but all these people are just never worked in the private
sector. They just, I've got a job in the
public sector now. I'm a big dog.
I can, I can negotiate contract. Well, clearly you fucking can't,
can you? They're not negotiating, are
they? They just go for the.
Treats just go, oh, we'll do a tender and everyone's just like,
oh, it's a public contract, I'll milk them because they're what
you would do if you're a business.
Absolutely you would. Here's a customer, they've got
no idea what they're talking to. We can all, we can all add an
extra 3040% on it and they just won't know, they'll just pay.
But if you had the same contract between private sector and
private sector would hammer the fuck out of that contract
absolutely down until it was it was right for everybody.
But hey, it's public money. Yeah, if you're marking my, if
somebody marks it up by 40, someone else marks it up by 30,
someone else marks it up by 20%. Yeah, well, you go with the one
that's only marking up by 20. It's still fucking ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. It's like prime examples HS2
those those businesses must have been like this is the money tree
that never ends and we'll keep going.
I'm sorry we've delayed it. We are we've not been able to
match it. You'll need to fork out another
XYZ millions to keep it on track.
You just wouldn't get that No, it's just like you wouldn't get
I negotiate a better deal with a builder on a house.
The kind of a quote right. That's not acceptable.
Although let's hammer it down. Yeah, we do it in every day in
our lives. But and when it comes to public
money, it's. Just that and that's again, I've
said a few times I've not yes, we need more money, but before
we decide how much more money we need, let's fucking efficiently
spend what we've already got. And we're definitely not.
No, definitely the the taxis is just it's just an example.
Hate him or private taxi? Fare hate him or love him, it's
not this is not the point, but like the way Elon Musk went in
there went right. I'm going to RIP these
departments apart now, Doge yeah, that was it and just go
right. This is ridiculous.
Why are you spending money on this?
Why are you spending £3,000,000 a year on biscuits?
Fucking shit. I.
Remotely, positively talking about Elon.
But it's not even just about him or.
He loves Elon Musk. All he does all the time is talk
about, hey, how much he loves Elon Musk.
I'm an absolute fucking legend. He is.
It's all the posters I've got as well.
Replace all the pictures of my family with him but didn't.
They weren't they doing something like doge in in the
UKI? Think they were on about?
It. They're talking about it,
weren't they? But then he probably.
What a novel idea. Let's just see, spend the Shafin
money up the wall or not. No, we can't do that because
everyone's on the gravy train. Exactly.
Yeah, we saw a prime example of that when COVID happened.
It was down to PPE. Oh God, the contracts they were.
Giving wait a minute, you've had no experience of PPE.
You run a pub, but you've just sent them a limited company Yeah
here, here's a load of money and we.
Just happened to be mates. Yeah, we just have to.
Be mates. Oh go on Tories.
Go have a contract, buy all the words PPE from Turkey or
something like that. Not usable, but now we're paying
for it to be stored. Yeah, nuts.
Sort stuff out like that, yeah. Yeah, I'd love to know much of
that shit's happening, do. You know what?
It's fucking nuts. I bet it would be scary.
It would be scary. But this is the thing, I just, I
don't know. I just think money, money's been
so inefficiently spent. But, yeah, to that point, when
people on the other side of the aisle go, yeah, but what about
this? Let's be honest with ourselves
sometimes. Yeah.
And go, do you know what? Yeah.
That's probably not the most efficient way of, of spending
the money. But that doesn't take anything
away from the fact that our children need this.
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't be doing it this way, but they need
this. I think.
I think this is going to end up going backwards a little bit
because I think it's going to go.
They seem again. I can't get that fucking
classroom out of the head. It seems to me that it's
specialist or that classroom. I've seen nothing else.
No. OK, so if we just take for
example, some of those people that were messaging last week,
the last couple of weeks, the children that from our viewpoint
were like, oh, they need specialist.
Not they're not even borderline. No, they like need especially
saying, but they've been recommended for mainstream.
OK, let's just go with it. Yeah, OK, they go in mainstream.
Is that the fucking cash room? That non verbal kid in seven
still in nappies like Thomas and Lydia is?
Is that where they're going? One of those classrooms.
The one who eats stones has to be fed babies too.
Stones get fed babies. Yeah, because they can't
fucking. Collect, but we've got coloured
cards. Like is that, I mean, OK, that
that was to be fair, that was a secondary school.
OK, fine. But they're, they're, they're
going to start rolling it out of secondary schools 1st and then
the plan is afterwards we'll roll it out to kind of primary
schools, but the primary. Schools have fun primary school
teachers. But the primary schools will be
clustered together. Yeah, like back in the day.
Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll take some
from this school, this school, but we'll create like a bit of a
cluster for for what? Wait, yeah.
Wait, no, this is just build some more specialist schools as
well. No one's even met desperately.
Needed. Where in the discussion about
this have they said, do you know what we're going to do?
We need to build some more specialist schools because
they're oversubscribed. Yeah.
I mean not even slightly oversubscribed.
No, the fact that you've got profoundly and in our case,
autistic children that are being forced into mainstream schools,
yeah, like profound, like you just described that profoundly.
Not even like, could they, could there not be No, like they're
wearing a nappy at 7 years old. They can't speak.
They've got no like, awareness. They're eating baby food and
they're eating stones. Yeah, right.
You clearly. Need that even more.
Yeah, you. Clearly need to build some more,
but then somebody else made a point that all right, if you
push more children to mainstream schools, does that mean that the
need for specialist schools will go down?
In the sense that they'll stop getting funding because there's
no required need anymore, even though there fucking is?
This just sounds like a horrible failed experiment waiting to
take place. That's what I mean.
I mean, that's what's going to happen.
Oh my God bless you teachers of. Mainstream.
School, primary and secretary bless you because you are in for
a fucking shit ride. You're in the firing line.
For something you did not sign up for, you're you're you're
going to have a shit time. And it would be one of the few
teacher strikes I will fully support.
Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, go for it.
Fill your boots. Yeah, support that.
Yeah, support that all. Day long.
But yeah, it's, it's not going to affect we, we, we make light
of it sometimes. And you know, bit of tongue in
cheek, but if you're a teacher now and this is going to be your
future, all right, we've got a lot of teachers that are burnt
out and they're very close and God bless them, they carry on
because of the children. They still go up.
I'll keep you know, we all joke about oh, you got longer
holidays and everything else like this, but you're looking
after everyone's kids and educating them.
So kids, Dick heads, kids can be massive.
Kids can be massive Dick. Heads.
We know parents can be massive Dick heads as well.
So, you know, we joke about it, but you're doing stealing work.
But add this onto it. I think it's going to be a
breaking point for a lot of teachers.
You know what I'm out of? This and who's going to want to
train to be who's going to go to university to train to be a
teacher when it's like, OK, so I I'm now automatically a send
teacher as well as a main student.
No, no, you'll be mainstream. But what happens when the send
teachers off? I'll yeah, 01 of you just step
in, won't? You, I'm sorry, they'll all need
training because they'll all be in the same fucking building.
They'll all be at the same school.
You know what? Every neurodivergent kid is so
different, not just in a little way, in a massive.
Massively in a huge. Way yeah, and these are the kids
that are in mainstream that, you know, will unfortunately,
sometimes it could be a pressure overload.
They'll flip out. They'll do things that we
remember the kids were at school.
Like why does he just put his hand through the window?
Yeah, I remember that kid in my school did that.
He just lost it during the lesson.
His hand went straight through the window.
All right, looking back now, dickhead.
Clearly. Yeah, that's what it was at the
time and. The time was like, you're being
a bit of a dickhead. Looking back now, I'm like, you
were clearly like neuro diverging.
Whether it was ADHD or something like that.
There was something going on with you, buddy, and now it'd be
like, well, I've just had a kid put his hand through the window,
but sorry, sorry, he's over there eating stones and this
one's now with a fidget spinner and that guy's holding up a red
card. What is it?
And also because the way the way the world is today, no hands on.
Oh no, no hands on. So what do I do?
What do I do? Yeah.
What, what? What can we do?
I mean, the staff on Thomas bus, they can't even put Thomas on
the bus. They can't manhandle him onto
the bus, even if we go manhandling.
Please do because I think it's important for, I mean, this is
me personally with Thomas. I think it's important for
Thomas to realise that people in positions of authority, if they
tell him to do something, you need to do it.
And if you don't do it, it's happening because that's very
quickly how you learn. OK, not, not saying abuse him,
but you could just pick him up and go, hey, you're sitting in
this chair. No, but he'll lose his
personality. So if if that if the staff can't
do that when a kid puts his fish through a window or threatens
somebody with a pencil or like, I'm just picking random shit out
of here. Wants to hurt themselves.
Or tries to swallow something like what?
What then? Can they stop it?
Or do they just have to stand there and?
And is it then going to be an undermanned thing in the future?
Is it just going to be, oh, we've got 1 teacher for all of
this And then it becomes so overwhelming because of the
amount of children that, you know, it's, it's just so many
different things. I think they're just putting a
really glossy brochure together at the moment to push out there
that it's going to be superb and they'll get it through.
It's I had another message. Where was it?
I can't find it. But yes, somebody said about
self harmony and keeps coming up especially I think people have
seen it on kind of Facebook reels and stuff and it kind of
gives them that because that's a really hard thing to share.
You know if your kids self. Are saying that they don't want
to be here anymore and stuff like that.
Yeah, because you can feel as a parent that you've you've failed
a child and then you don't want to share that publicly.
Yeah, of course. Which is no, it's no reflection
of you as a parent because you are.
You are living this day in, day out.
Yeah, but it was it was another one of those just another unrest
that's going to go through the roof with all these kids in the
wrong, in the wrong place where they're not understood.
You know, they're not getting not getting one to ones when
they're supposed to get one to ones.
I mean, that's going to, I mean, sorry, we've already seen it.
But children that need one to ones, I'm guessing if they're in
a mainstream setting, they won't be getting a 1 to 1.
The whole idea of that is I'm, I'm guessing if there's no E no
EHCP in the mainstream, well, there's nothing there to say.
They get Oh God again, teachers are going to have fucking shit
time. It's going to be absolutely
shocking. Yeah, it is.
I'm just bringing up something that always sticks with my my
mind because it's like, how far do we take?
Take this And you know, it's the rhetoric at the moment.
I've mentioned this to you before.
And I'm not suggesting this is the angle that this government
is taking, because if they dare do that, then there'll be
absolutely bloodshed on the streets.
But I've said to you, Nazi Germany.
Oh yeah, What was it called again?
Acting on T4. Was it T4?
T4. The T4 policy was a secret Nazi
programme that systematically murdered people with
disabilities and mental illnesses between 1939 and
194141 and continued other forms until 1945.
Ordered under Adolf Hitler. Named after the address of its
Berlin headquarters. Hence it's why why it was called
T4. And always, always wondered why
I find it strange that Channel 4 used to have T4.
Yeah, probably could have named it something else.
Yeah. So again, it did target children
considered life unworthy of life.
And victims included people with intellectual disabilities,
autism as understood at the time, physical disabilities,
epilepsy, you know, those sort of things there.
And around 70,000 people were murdered because of this.
And it's one of the key things that the, the rhetoric behind it
was that unfortunately, these these children, these
individuals cost the state too much money and they will never
add anything to it. So why should we be spending
money on them trying to educate, trying to, you know.
Obviously we're using that the worst.
This is the extreme, but you can see the crossover.
Yeah, of course you can. You can see the crossover and
some of the rhetoric queues there.
And if you're in Challenger enough, you know what I'm
saying? I'm not saying that we're going
to start round or they're going to start rounding up our
children and and doing that sort of thing.
But you can understand the rhetoric that's going out there.
And the Nazis had a campaign which was very much like, again,
propaganda, The reason that, you know, there's not enough money
or why should we be spending money on these people that
aren't going to put anything back into the system?
You know, maybe we should do something with that.
It's a sort of stuff you're, you're seeing in, in the press
now, you know, Oh, the reason there's no money for potholes.
It's all these bloody kids or they're, they're costing too
much money on taxis, everything else like that.
Then you start to get a bit of A and we've seen in comments,
people become more emboldened to say, oh, ridiculous things.
And I dropped a message into the group today.
Fucking say it. Yeah.
All right then. Because it was, I mean, I said,
I shared that with a friend and he said, surely this is
rhetoric. This is.
Well, I'll say it. Is it satire?
I don't know, let's let everybody else decide whether
this is satire or not and we're all for a bit of free speech,
but OK. So Monkmoor pub Shrewsbury put a
post out a couple of days ago saying do you have?
And with that is a photo of a steel cage on wheels outside
with a lid on it. And their post was.
Do you have children of ADHD? We are absolutely certain they
prevent you, us and everyone else from enjoying time in the
pub. Throw them in our holding pen
for little shits. Room for about 6 at the time or
one family brood. We are the monk.
Possibly not particularly correct, but providing sensible
solutions to new new modern social issues.
All right, all up for a bit of tongue in cheek everything else
like that. But a couple of years ago,
people wouldn't put post out like that or suggest that it's
funny. But if you are, you know, if you
want to be a bit out there and and be not politically correct,
you're starting off with like children of ADHD.
What do you want to move on to then?
Cerebral palsy. Anything else like that?
Where's it start? If you're having a bit of a
laugh, you might as well use everybody.
Yeah, let's, let's talk about people with a different skin
tone or people that are a different sexual connotation or
anything else like that. Yeah, where's the post on that?
Now we'll just have a go at kids with ADHD because they're low
hanging fruit. So yes, do you know, do you know
what I mean? It's fucked.
Again, I I'm a massive free speech proponent.
Absolutely say. Absolutely say whatever you want
to say. But also be prepared for the
ramifications and the feedback. It's it's a two way St isn't it?
Absolutely. Because I would like to think
that everybody who sees that, that has some kind of a
connection. I mean, they were specific about
ADHD and kids say again, kids with ADHD.
Kids with ADHD, Yeah, Yeah. Little shits, apparently.
Yeah, exactly. But they've got a holding.
Would not go there. Yeah, but they did end it by
saying, like, free Valentine's Prosecco tomorrow from 8:00.
So. Yeah.
And then they said you can get tanked up and produce a few more
of the hyperactive little darlings.
Yeah. Yeah, just bizarre to to make
light of of something like that. But yeah, the fact that you they
feel emboldened to do a face that kind of public, yeah.
You know, thing that's happening at the moment.
Yeah, exactly. And and I'm it's on Facebook,
leave it on Facebook. No one try and cancel them.
Just let let everybody see it. If you're a piece of shit human,
let people show what absolute pieces of shit they are.
So we all know about it. But yeah, I when you sent me
that, I was like, Nah. And I sent that to my mate and
he was like, that's satire. Shortly I was like, I don't
think it is. Yeah, but why have satire
against? Bizarre.
Children. Yeah, just find another Weird.
Yeah, whatever floats your boat. Yeah.
Anyway, that's the that's the Montmore.
Pub in Shrewsbury?
Yeah, you're welcome. To be fair, if there's any pub
in Shrewsbury that's going to put post on all that, it's going
to be the fucking Montmore in it.
Yeah, no offence. Montmore.
Free speech. Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, it's when do we reckon I I mean the white paper rumours
were around half term. Half term.
We're in it now. So what we this week?
Next week? Yeah.
Are we going to get a chance to speak to Georgia Gould again?
I don't think we Well, not before.
Not before, no. I think that we did have a bit
of back and forth with the the press team there, but I think
Diaries weren't. Alive Diaries weren't alive.
Which may be an indicator that there's some big news coming out
soon. Yeah, but hopefully we'll get a
chance once it is out to sit down with her mate.
We are going to go through that like a well, like Rachel will
tell you, I have no doubt everyone's going to go through
with a fine tooth comb. I think what we will probably do
is for everyone else's benefit. I know that's what I would like
is if, if somebody had the time to go through it and just
deliver it back in kind of layman terms what it means for
everybody and why some of these things are happening.
Again, we're kind of we're seeing bits and pieces here,
aren't we? I'm really looking forward to
seeing the actual white paper and going Sorry, what but.
Bit of light reading. Bit of light reading.
And still, you know, it's got to come out and it's not going to
be law straight away, It's still got to go through the process of
going through the Commons. Everything else like that, the
law itself isn't actually going to change.
The law isn't going to change, is it?
All the children's acts and everything are still there.
Yeah, they're still there. It's just it's.
Still got to be fine. True, this is going to be
version 1. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, the law isn't going to change.
You can't just change it with a white paper.
But what's available to parents so they can use the law?
Well, that's. Interesting, because we we saw
something about some councils they're pushing back on the HCPS
for kids saying we're waiting for the white paper.
It's like, do you want what? It makes no difference if they
released a white paper next week.
It still makes no difference because the law hasn't changed
the. Law.
The law hasn't. Changed so you still need to
follow the correct procedures exactly, otherwise you'll be in
breach. Yeah.
So essentially all it is going to change is what's made
available to parents. And even with schools and stuff,
if if this is going to be a slow process, you know, it's it.
If you were going to, if you were going to give someone an
EHCPA month ago, crack on. Yeah, wait for the white paper.
It's not like when the white paper comes out.
That's it, everything stops. Everything stops, everything's
getting thrown out. Yeah, so.
That's just. A weird response, yeah.
Unless the councils are still worried about the safety valve
scheme. What?
Yeah, see, I mean. That's now they've think of,
said. March 26th, yeah, that's
interesting. Yeah, you work for us now. 90%.
No more money for you that's. A head of a carrot stick that
yeah, that's fucking. That's it, isn't it?
Exactly. And then, and then if we want to
get clever, if we want to get really cynical, if it's a
certain government but your local MP isn't from that party,
are you going to get the funding as well?
Or is the funding going to go to, well, it's Labour, so only
Labour constituencies will get the proper funding.
Yeah. Do you know, there's so many
ways that you can look at it if you're really cynical.
God when like. Let's go down the rabbit.
Hole. The way the Tories, yeah, acted
over the last few years. Cronyism.
Absolutely. Yeah, the cronyism was fucking
something. Else right for the boys.
And it was like, and then it was like, it's time for labour.
Fresh pair of eyes. Fresh pair of eyes.
New chains. Come on.
And, you know, it was a little bit concerning, but Labour was
such a shoe in. They didn't release any policies
because they didn't need to, but they made a few promises here
and there. Yeah.
Oh, my God, what have they done? Like, they've just been a
disappointment after disappointment after
disappointment. And I'm not speaking about
individuals here, but as a government, there was so much
hope, so much hope. When you look at me, when you
start looking back at the Tory days, even though they were a
bunch of twats, do you know when you start longing for all those
days again? I look.
Back at I look back at the Tories and I'm like.
You knew what you were going to get and they didn't hide it at.
Least they didn't claim to be something they like, something
else. Do you know, I honestly, I speak
to, I speak to so many people and I, I hold my hands up and
I've said this before, I was a paid up Labour member for many
years. Oh.
Yeah, paid up member. No, literally pay my
subscription had the card, everything else like that and I
cancelled it. I cancelled it not I think.
What she kept last week. No, it's like as soon as I came
in and said are you old? We're coming for you.
I thought, what? What?
Just ain't it. I think I got pissed off with
them before the last general election.
I wasted my vote. I genuinely don't really vote
for it, no. I've got no leaning.
Who's the guy? I've got the Green Party.
What's his name? Oh.
I can't even recall. He's the guy that used to say
could hypnotise women. Bigger boobs, bigger boobs.
Yeah, well, he sounds like a legit guy.
Like, I'm like, I really like Ed Davey.
I like Ed Davey. I really like Ed Davey.
Yes, he obviously there is a bias there.
He's he's got a disabled, disabled child because.
He understands, yeah. He understands the the the fear
and everything else that people go through.
Yeah, and I, I mean, I think I, I just don't know because again,
it's, it's protest votes, isn't it?
I mean. I don't know, it's just that if
you're. A But no one's right.
I mean, people, obviously the reform, we're going to get a lot
of votes, reform of a very. Good chance of being reform.
We're going to get so many votes, and I think a vast
majority of that would just be disillusioned people.
Not because they're like, I'm. I'm a right wing.
Yeah, I'm reformed through through.
It's like, yeah, something's gone.
I'm just going to put it I'm disillusioned.
Yeah. And more of a protest votes or
anything else like that. If you in the hope that when the
figures do come through other parties go, oh we've ballsed up
here, yeah, maybe we need to look at some of our basically
the way we run things or our policies to to attract voters
again. Not you need.
You need to vote in such a way to create the strongest
opposition to the party you don't want if you don't want
reform. I mean, I wish Nigel Farage
would just disappear. Yeah, Richard Tice also
disappear. Who's the other guy?
I forgot his name. The Asian bloke.
Manor Who you mean I? Can't remember his.
Name No. It kind of validates that being
a Reform member or voter doesn't automatically make you racist.
Did he leave and then come back? I can't remember.
Oh God, there's another guy. Who's the other guy that's
coming up? Rupert something.
Low. Rupert Low, he's come out of
nowhere. I don't know much about him but.
But it's it's all that kind of protest vote on a certain side,
isn't it? It's that and now, you know,
when things get really bad, people go completely the other
way. And then they'll they'll,
they'll swing back. But yeah, just like politics in
this country is. It's a shit show.
Is a complete shit show, isn't? It it's absolute shit show.
I mean. And there seems to be no kind of
honour in the politicians anymore.
No, there used to be a scan. I remember growing up if there
was a scandal. You'd have the the person
resigning with and then they'd do a press conference with their
family on the doorstep. Go.
And I've really messed up here. I can only apologise to my party
and my constituents. I've resigned.
Now you. It's almost impossible for
someone to resign. Yeah, no, I'm sorry I shot on
your desk, but there were reasons why I had to shit on
your. Desk.
And the clip, if I have offended anybody then I do apologise.
Not like I'm really sorry. My actions were shit.
Yeah, literally. It's just kind of.
But there's so many, there's like so many big issues to vote
for. And again, when you're in it,
you're the big issue to. Use.
It's send, you know, but there's like this illegal immigration
send billionaires. You know why we're not taxing so
and. So why we're not taxing?
Well, we don't want them to leave the country because we're
taxing them too much. So I'd rather them stayed and
get taxed something. Why don't we hold an inquiry
into this? Yeah.
Oh God. Yeah, I'm not going to go down
that route, but. No, but there's like there's
just so many things going on and you've got to try and pick the
best party that covers the bases that you want covering.
Whilst, OK, they're going to ignore this, you know, there's
going to be people that are that have massive issues with illegal
immigration, Yeah, so they're going to be wanting to vote
reform. That'll be the thing that that's
where I'm planting my flag. I want to vote for us.
It's on sense for us. It's sense.
So we ain't going reform so. And then they'll pick each the
kick you against each other. Yeah, it's.
Just it's a fucking. Nice.
It's really difficult, isn't it? It's really difficult.
But soon this white paper comes out.
I can't wait. The better.
I can't wait just because it'll be over and done with and it'll
be OK. Good, Now we've got it.
Now we've got something to kick off about.
At the moment we're kind of kicking off about what we
think's coming. OK, we know it's coming, but we
don't actually have. That's the problem though, you
just sit there and you overthink things the same and everything.
Unless you've got the facts, you will sit there and your mind
will automatically try and piece everything together.
And again, some of the stuff that seems horrendous, yeah,
because it's been leaked, there might be something else to kind
of solidify and back it up a little bit, make it less
horrendous. But we haven't seen it.
So at the moment, you know, but that's when I see, you know, the
people in power and people like, you know, Minister Gould, when
she sees all of these concerns coming out, there's no one
going, guys, I get it. Trust me.
There's a little bit coming that's going to make that feel a
whole lot less shit. No one's doing that.
So I'm like. So does that mean this is it
and? Sometimes you just want somebody
to be straight talking. Even if it's bad?
Yeah. Even if it's shit news.
Yeah, just give us the shit news.
Yeah. So we could kind of.
Don't try and flower. Up.
No, just just like the expectations and let us know
it's going to be fucking terrible.
We can't do this because we simply do not have the budget or
the money. Yeah.
So we're going to have to go down this route, guys.
Exactly. Let's give it a try.
And that exactly. And there might be like OK.
Just get it, but then you've got it in one conversation role and
this drip feed, drip feed, drip feed do.
You think it's done, the white paper?
Yeah, it is, isn't it? I think it's done.
This is this this like this just looks very much like contain
control. Yeah.
Before we release it. Yeah, let's set the narrative.
Let's put things out there rather than just drop it.
Yeah. I think it's done.
I think next week or the week after.
Yeah, I think by the end of February we'll know.
Yeah, yeah. End of February.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah. Hopefully this will be the last
one. There's gonna be more leagues,
isn't there? Would you reckon?
Rachel, let us know. Tag us.
Let us know. All right, mate.
Thank you very much. No.
Problem at all. Glad ladies feeling better mate.
Yeah, it's shit in it when they're like, just not
themselves. Yeah, it's not ideal.
They can't communicate that they're not feeling right, but
you just see it. No.
At least your other half sees it before you do.
Yeah, more of the case, yeah. How do you work the thermometer?
Yeah, yeah, yeah of. The nose of the nose, right?
Thank you, mate. No problem guys talk to you.
See you soon. Bye.