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Cool, are you happy with the 
angle and stuff? 

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Can you see yourself on there? 
Yeah, I've got a good draw line,

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yeah. 
Hello mate. 

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Hello mate. 
How's it going? 

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Yeah, not too bad. 
Thanks. 

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Good. 292929 So we've had some 
more, no actually tonight. 

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How are you mate? 
How's your kid? 

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Anything happening? 
We never talk about our kids 

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anymore. 
We just talk about the shit show

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that is reformed, which we will 
talk about. 

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I forgot I had a kid. 
I just thought I did this 

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podcast. 
Yeah, she's. 

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She's I just thought I did this 
podcast about autism and yeah, 

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absolutely. 
I don't know. 

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It's not drawn to it. 
Yeah. 

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Half term now, isn't it? 
So last week I mentioned she was

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horrendously I'll antibiotics, 
everything else like that. 

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So she's on the back end of that
now, which is good. 

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Finished a course of antibiotics
and the thing she's suffering 

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with now, I think she's battling
that illness is just ulcers all 

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over her mouth, gums, tongue, 
lips and that's just causing 

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another thing to. 
With with eight, like my oldest.

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Typical, I swear. 
Like on a biological level, 

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there's something different with
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more, they're more kind of 
susceptible to this. 

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Yeah, it must be the body 
fighting. 

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It's been run down as well. 
So. 

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But Aidan never used to get used
to get sick and then he bounced 

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back. 
It was fine. 

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But Thomas, every time Thomas 
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cold sores. 
Just everything doesn't. 

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It yeah, everything just starts 
getting yeah, just goes to shit.

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So, yeah, it's been, it's been a
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she's on the mend now. 
She's on the mend now, which I'm

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I'm pleased about obviously. 
And and hopefully we can get 

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through half term cool without 
any more incidents. 

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How about Thomas? 
Yeah, he's, he's all right mate.

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He obviously he was poorly a 
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He passed it on to his mum. 
She passed it on to me. 

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But he's good. 
But he had last week off because

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he was poorly and so yeah, he 
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half terms. 
So what we did yesterday, he's 

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got this board, hasn't he, with 
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Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 
Sunday, and he can see when he's

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going on the bus. 
So what we've decided to do last

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night was add another column so 
we can see like we've put today.

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So we'll move the Today down. 
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printed out, we, my wife, I 
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Mish has printed more home cards
so that as he looks at it now 

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he's come down and he's seen 
that and he's got like today is 

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Monday home, but the rest of the
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So we want to try and now get 
him to a position where he looks

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at it and he can see his 
expectations for the week. 

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OK, I've got five days at 
school, then I'm at home for the

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day and then I'm going to 
grandma's and do you know what I

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mean? 
So trying to kind of build out 

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on that this morning. 
Just a little shit. 

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He, he's just funny. 
So who sat there? 

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Doesn't matter. 
Then you're a typical. 

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Doesn't matter, mate, It's all 
the same. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
He's kind of got himself. 

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You know, they figure out how to
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There's like the little wine 
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like, how did you get up there? 
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did it. 
You're like, of course, that's 

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what. 
They did like one of those goats

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that just climbs a tree. 
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Yeah, Yeah, all those cliffs. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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And he's, he's obviously put his
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shelves to climb up and he's 
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crisps out and he started eating
these like gluten free Pringles.

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And Mish was like, no, Thomas, 
no, not for breakfast, you know,

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makes him some pancakes and like
banana pancakes and stuff 

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because she likes sneaks, sneaks
and good stuff in there. 

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Makes those for him. 
I walk back in after and I'm 

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like, oh, he's not eating any of
his pancakes. 

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He's back up on the side. 
He's not eating any of his 

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pancakes. 
She's like, what? 

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He's just gone back in the 
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again. 
I was like, did you just put the

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crisp back in the cupboard? 
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made the pancakes he'd be like, 
OK, I'll eat these now. 

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No, he's gone. 
No, no, fuck that. 

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I want to eat my. 
Choices. 

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He's making choices. 
Choices, choices. 

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Do you want your Pringles or do 
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I'm going to have some Pringles.
So yeah, he's good, mate. 

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He's good. 
He's funny. 

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He he's building sentences now. 
He did, I tell you the other day

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we put soon on the end of the 
sentence. 

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Yes, you did. 
Yeah, but yeah. 

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He's doing stuff like that now, 
so it's, yeah, it's cool. 

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But he's good mate, He's good. 
So we've got some more leaks, 

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some more some more leaks and 
reform leaks. 

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Being half Welsh, I love a leak,
but these ones are slightly 

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different. 
So, yeah, it's it's that bloody 

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albatross that send white paper 
that was supposed to come out 

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about 15 years ago that keeps 
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delayed. 
And now they're saying early 

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2026. 
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talking about now. 
It could come out next week, the

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week after, Yeah, because 
they're engaging with lots of 

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families, young people and 
teachers to make sure they get 

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this right. 
But looking at this league, at 

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this league that's come out, I 
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talking to. 
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John take for me especially, I 
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where it kind of yes. 
We need to give a shout out to 

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Rachel, don't we? 
Rachel, absolutely send 

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Alliance. 
Send Alliance Rachel you. 

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Will have sterling sterling 
work. 

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Yeah, it's just phenomenal. 
You'll have seen her. 

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If you don't know who we're 
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her because you will have seen 
it come up on one of your reels 

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probably. 
Susie's stuff comes out, she's 

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all over it and breaks it down 
perfectly, and we're very 

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grateful because she kind of 
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can obviously deliver this to 
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But if you're not following her,
go find her. 

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She's fantastic, really good at 
breaking this stuff down. 

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She actually went down and spoke
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She did last week, week before. 
Minister for Schools. 

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Yeah, she was very, she was very
courteous as to what 

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expectations might be, but I 
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the way back, which she didn't 
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all want. 
I think we kind of had a similar

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experience. 
You know, we got really well 

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with Georgia. 
There was still a lot of stuff 

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left unanswered. 
So, but yes, the thing that 

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really jumped out to me is I've 
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kids like Thomas and Lydia are 
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know, they're so profane. 
They're not going to lose their 

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EHCP. 
Well, that might not be the 

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fucking case. 
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at all. 
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to, or the HCP is designed to 
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required provisions, and more 
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enforceable. 
So it does place that legal duty

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on the local authority. 
So, you know, families are 

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guaranteed support, which is the
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But the the new set of leaks are
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until 20-30. 
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So enjoy the next four years. 
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to build capacity in mainstream 
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And after 20-30, you know, EHCPS
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because we'll be living in 
utopia. 

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Or or not. 
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I think it may be the latter. 
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Did you see the obviously as far
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mainstream schools? 
Did you see the video of the 

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example of what a special 
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might look like in a mainstream 
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I did see that, yeah, and I 
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I didn't recognise it. 
What did you think of that? 

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Because it a little bit like the
Barbie thing. 

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I was a bit like what? 
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I just think everything that's 
been pumped out by the 

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Department for Education at the 
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lukewarm, let's put some rose 
tinted glasses on version of 

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what our children are going 
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And in particular the same 
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we'll just have this magical 
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And I think an example was we'll
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them in a fidget. 
That, but that, that was 

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surprising. 
What's the black one for? 

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The black ones for this. 
What's the blue one for? 

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What is that a thing? 
I honestly don't know, but from,

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you know, like Tesco brought out
and Fair Play to Tesco's, they 

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brought that thing where if 
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you can go there to customer 
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special pack. 
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And they'll give it to your 
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And there's things like, you 
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little little bits and bobs that
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she go around to your 
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Just made me think of that 
going, is this what the 

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government's plan? 
Just to have a little box with 

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fidget spinners and multi 
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to solve the problem. 
Yeah, there was like a red, red,

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yellow green card thing as well,
wasn't. 

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There, if that's their 
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neurodivergence is, then they're
in for a bloody shock or the 

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teachers are going to be in for 
a shock when all these kids 

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descend on these schools. 
But it's what what I picked up 

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on was you're pushing out the 
best case scenario every time, 

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weren't you? 
That kind of. 

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So to the families, it's almost 
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what the fuck are you doing? 
This isn't how it works. 

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But to people, the vast majority
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anybody that's neurodivergent or
or kids that are going through 

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this, they'll go, oh, isn't that
great? 

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That makes sense. 
Yeah, they're doing a great job 

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and it's going to create that 
divide again. 

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But yeah, they'll get the 
overwhelming support, but by the

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families who aren't affected by 
it. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
I'm like, why is this? 

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This is like propaganda you're 
pushing out. 

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Yeah, it's, yeah, it's a, it's a
weird one. 

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I mean. 
And again, like these these 

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classrooms are set out. 
And again, I mean I I'm coming 

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from a position of someone, I 
don't have a sin between her. 

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Right. 
But. 

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I mean, we're fine for the next 
four years. 

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Yeah, we're saying the next four
years. 

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But as far as as far as these 
kids are concerned, we always 

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talk about like how how huge and
varied the spectrum is the the 

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Dulux. 
Colour guards. 

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Yeah, a different shade example 
of that. 

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That's because each individual 
child's needs are so different. 

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They're a shade different than 
like the colours of paint. 

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That classroom to me didn't 
depict that at all. 

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It depicted this is where all of
the children with all of the 

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same type of need go with the 
same issues and the same 

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problems, and these five things 
on the desk are going to be able

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to solve all of those issues. 
Yeah, but they've cured autism. 

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I just do it like the the the 
card thing. 

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Well, for for me is it like what
do they do with that? 

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Have they mess on a yellow card 
here? 

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I'm feeling a bit. 
Is that the idea of that? 

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I think it isn't it I. 
Kind of presume so. 

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Yeah, and then there's that 
little fidgety thing because, I 

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mean, we called the pub, what do
we call it? 

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The the stir and whistle, and 
there's a fidget spinner on it. 

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It's kind of a piss take, 
really. 

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Yeah, we did it as a bit of a 
piss take. 

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It's a bit of a piss take. 
It's a stereotype, a fidget 

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spinner for people with autism, 
but they actually that's what 

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they're going with. 
Everyone gets their own fidget 

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toy. 
Why? 

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They don't all necessarily need 
a fidget. 

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Oh no, they do, because autism. 
You all need a fidget toy. 

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Guess what? 
Lydia's never picked one up in 

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her life. 
Thomas couldn't give a shit. 

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In fact, the only time he has 
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was it it was a fidget spinner, 
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And he just stared at it and and
span it that time. 

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And I was like when we just 
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accepting the autism. 
That was it. 

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Once he's 6, it's. 
It's just, it's the same 

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principle of just saying like 
we're going to feed every kid 

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that's near a diverse chicken 
Nuggets. 

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Yeah, it's it's kind of that 
mindset. 

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Yeah. 
That that's a broad spread. 

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We'll, we'll cover everybody 
with that. 

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In fact, it was kind of like if 
you were to say between the crew

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like, like autism bingo, piss 
take. 

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Yeah, taking the piss. 
What would you put on a table 

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for a classroom of a of a 
special editor called each 

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child? 
You put like those things 

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because it's a piss take of the 
stereotype of what everyone 

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thinks that, yeah, what they're 
having at dinner time. 

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Chicken Nuggets. 
Chicken Nuggets, yeah. 

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And I think beige, yeah. 
Yeah, just this huge stereotype.

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And I'd like I was a bit like, 
is this a fucking joke? 

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And is that this deep research 
they've done based on that 

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video? 
Sorry, based on that video, you 

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can't say you've delayed the 
white paper because you want to 

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speak lots to lots of families. 
And that was the feedback. 

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It's like, yeah, what would make
my life easier? 

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And we read all those last week.
We did that episode where we 

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had, we had, we've had. 
I kid you not, probably hundreds

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of parents e-mail us, message us
over the last 10 days about 

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their personal stories with 
their kids. 

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And not one of them has said 
this would have been resolved if

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my kids had a fidget spinner, 
some coloured biros and coloured

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cards at class. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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If you if we turn around and we 
said to his parents, look, I 

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know what you're going through. 
Have you thought about fidget 

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spinner or this or that? 
Do you know what I mean? 

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Yeah, it would just be. 
I just, they just look at me 

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like I was an idiot. 
It's what I mean again, we're 

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looking at this from a from a 
cynical point of view, which. 

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It's probably best to at this 
moment. 

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In time. 
Exactly. 

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Because that is, that is the 
most sensible thing to do. 

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That setup will help some 
children. 

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I'm sure it will. 
I'm sure it will. 

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Yeah, it will help some 100%. 
But it just feels like it's 

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painted about. 
Look at this fucking amazing 

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thing we've said that you're all
going to love, and it's going to

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help all the kids. 
It's like it's going to help a 

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small percentage of the kids 
with very, very low need. 

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So like secondary schools then 
we've got the ages between 11 

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and 16. 
Yeah, they all going into one 

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room. 
They've got somebody potentially

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going through their GCS, ES and 
somebody just picking up a 

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Shakespeare book for the first 
time. 

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We all sat in the same room. 
I've. 

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No idea. 
What happens when you lose? 

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I can't wait for the white 
paper. 

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What happens when you lose your 
fidget spinner? 

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Is there enough money in the pot
to get another one? 

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It sounds like a fucking daft 
question, but at this stage, 

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yeah, no, you're entitled to two
in a year. 

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That's it. 
Yeah, it's it's bizarre. 

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It's so weird. 
But again, we're like, because 

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they're not telling us anything 
really. 

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They're just we're getting 
little little snippets, little 

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leaks. 
But I mean, so actually if you 

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think about 2020 thirty, that's.
This academic year, by the way, 

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we'll do it in #3. 
That's kind of when when Thomas 

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is going to be pushing towards 
secondary school. 

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So potentially him let's say 
secondary school with within a 

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specialist that that age group, 
that's kind of when his EHCP is 

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going to be potentially being 
reassessed as to whether he 

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needs one. 
Yeah. 

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I can't. 
I can't. 

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I can't fathom a world where he 
doesn't have one. 

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Yeah, I mean, it's just all 
right. 

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This, this Department for 
Education kind of video that's 

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going around or the promotional 
material, it is literally just 

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showing children who are mild 
needs. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
That's that's literally it, 

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isn't it? 
It's very mild needs. 

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And these are low cost 
adjustments and that's what 

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they're showing at the moment. 
Is it Bridget Phillipson that's 

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doing these video? 
I mean, I don't even quite who. 

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Yeah, when she opened her little
bag, right. 

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Please listen to this guys, like
anyone who's advising 

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politicians. 
Oh, God, there was one. 

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There was one a few years ago 
with Rishi Sunak. 

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It was amazing. 
Sorry. 

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I'll get back to that in a 
minute. 

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Bridget Phillipson. 
Hey, everybody, let's go through

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my phone and to see what photos 
I've got on my phone. 

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Oh yeah. 
So this one was when we went and

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visited such and such and he was
just amazing. 

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And you just like that. 
That isn't the photo that's on 

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your phone. 
Just don't do the video. 

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It's so everyone knows. 
It's so contrived. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
So contrived you're trying to 

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get on a. 
But the video who do videos for 

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who do videos for? 
This is a coup. 

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You're doing these nice little 
videos. 

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I'm pulling stuff out of my bag.
Oh, here's a picture of this. 

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All this is this is me and my 
phone. 

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And I remember this boy here, 
blah, blah, blah. 

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All right, this videos or the 
videos that you put in the 

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trumpet that Yeah, fuck sake, 
these are for neuro divergent 

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families. 
Yeah, if if, if you think these 

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videos are for neurodivergent 
families, you are gaslighting 

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us, right? 
Your gaslight is in the bigger 

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way. 
We already started to think that

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you are a bunch of and so and 
so's you just well done. 

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I held it in that you held that 
in. 

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I held it in I. 
Could smell it. 

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We're monetized. 
I've got to be careful is that 

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we're just looking at it going. 
You're taking the piss now. 

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You're literally just like this 
is what you're putting out 

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there. 
You're putting these videos out 

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there for everybody else. 
You're saying you're looking 

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after our interests. 
But these videos and these like,

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I'm going to call it propaganda 
because that's literally what it

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is that you're putting out at 
the moment. 

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It is that it's for everybody 
else to get them on board. 

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It's just ridiculous. 
It's ridiculous. 

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And the whole EHCP thing, like 
it's there until 2030 and then 

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we might not have a need for it.
It's it's again, that's absolute

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bollocks. 
Yeah. 

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And The thing is with the ET PS,
it's not even, it's not even 

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whether they stay. 
It's kind of it's, it's where 

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where they're drawing the line 
with who has that level of need 

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and who doesn't. 
And it feels, it feels like the 

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level of need is changing. 
We said like this from from last

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week, a lot of these stories. 
And even since then, there's 

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been more where it feels like 
the level of need is waiting to 

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see what they can actually 
secure 1st and then when they 

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can secure XYZ. 
OK, cool. 

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We've got that. 
So we could put that in the 

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EHCPI. 
Mean do the videos just put non 

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verbal autistic kids in there? 
Yeah, that works out. 

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Yeah. 
Go into a classroom with with 

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kids like that or children with 
profound and and multiple 

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disabilities or children who 
physically cannot function in a 

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mainstream school, but you still
stick them in there. 

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Put the video of that. 
Go see some of the families that

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we spoke to last week where 
they're being massively failed 

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or the kids are literally out of
their wit's end and cannot cope 

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with the day-to-day life. 
Why do you do a lovely 

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promotional video or one of 
those situations or where a kids

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go, the school said turn up 10 
minutes early and we can avoid 

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the crowds, but then there's no 
communication video of that 

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happening and they complete 
meltdown that happens afterwards

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that and then show another video
of the after effect that family 

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has to go through again to try 
and resolve it. 

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Yeah, no, you're not putting 
those ones out there because 

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they don't fit the narrative 
that you're trying to push on 

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everybody else. 
You're making send or you're 

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trying to push send out to the 
public as being mild manageable.

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The people have got the issues 
are the pushy parents or the 

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neurotic parents and you're 
trying to say it's definitely 

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not a budget problem. 
And what, what really gets me as

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well. 
Like they say, the system's 

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unsustainable and it needs to 
change. 

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Who's absorbing that change? 
Yeah, we all know who's 

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absorbing it, but they won't say
it. 

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No, you know who's absorbing it 
and that's the parents and the 

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kids. 
They're going to be affected. 

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They're going to have to absorb 
the change, but they're not 

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saying it. 
In fact, they keep talking about

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reform like it's going to make 
everything better for everybody.

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We already know that's not the 
case. 

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Stop talking out your ass. 
Stop talking shit. 

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It it's it's going to get 
absorbed by all the parents and 

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kids that are already having a 
shit time. 

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And I doing this is like it. 
It's got like scaremongering. 

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And you know, we don't want to 
just say shit and make people 

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more depressed, but I think it's
important. 

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That you say what you think is 
coming. 

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Yeah, People can prepare for it,
even if it's emotionally, 

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because actually there's not a 
lot you can fucking do about it.

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No. 
If they push it in, there's not 

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much we can do about it, is it? 
It's it's if. 

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You can just emotionally get 
ready for what's potentially 

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around the corner. 
It may help a little bit. 

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It doesn't change the fact it's 
still going to be a massive shit

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show, no. 
It's going to suck and I don't 

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think again, I've been a bit of 
a pessimist there. 

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I don't think any amount of 
protesting, kicking up, turning 

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up to, even if everybody could 
get down to London for a 

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protest, yeah, what would it do?
Even if everyone writes a letter

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to their MP, right. 
Everyone writes a letter to 

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their MP, Are they going to do 
anything about it? 

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I. 
Don't know. 

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Chances are, probably not. 
Probably not. 

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We'll just come out with some 
rhetoric, like we absolutely 

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appreciate where you're coming 
from, how difficult it is. 

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Because ultimately you if it's a
financial decision, they're 

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doing it because they feel like 
their hands are tied. 

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And no amount of parents crying 
e-mail. 

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I mean, they're going to be on 
auto reply. 

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They're going to auto reply to 
everyone's e-mail and everyone's

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letter. 
Copy and paste. 

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Yeah, it is. 
It's going to be. 

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Everyone's going to have the 
same fucking response and I 

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guess it's fucking depressing, 
but I just think that's the way 

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it is and it's shit. 
It's, it's just absolutely 

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nonsense, isn't it? 
Absolutely nonsense. 

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And again, a bit like, you know,
we said a couple of weeks ago 

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of, of all the groups that you 
can easily shaft and not expect 

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too much of A comeback, it's 
it's the elderly and the 

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disabled. 
Yeah. 

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Because what they're going to. 
Do most vulnerable people in 

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society? 
Yeah, What are you going to do 

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about it? 
Cool. 

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Absolutely nothing. 
This is a fun one, isn't it? 

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Yeah, I suppose the other thing 
is the two other announcements 

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that they made was that the 90% 
of council send deficits will be

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written off. 
Oh. 

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Yes. 
And something called the safety 

451
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,280
valve scheme will end. 
What's that I've missed that? 

452
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,560
What's the? 
Safety valve scheme, The safety 

453
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:22,760
valve scheme and OK, so under 
the let me get my notes right, 

454
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,280
but under the safety valve 
scheme, councils with the 

455
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,600
biggest deficits were told to 
reduce send spending. 

456
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,640
In return they would receive 
financial support. 

457
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,840
Now the targets were often set 
at reducing EHCP numbers. 

458
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,560
OK. 
So more children therefore were 

459
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,400
pushed into mainstream schools 
and specialist placements were 

460
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,000
reduced. 
So many councils failed to meet 

461
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,000
targets because the reductions 
conflicted with legal duties and

462
00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,520
the demand for EHCPS was rising,
not falling. 

463
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,680
So that was called the kind of 
safety valve scheme. 

464
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,520
It's like, do you know what? 
You've got a massive deficit. 

465
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,960
If you sort your deficit out, 
we'll give you a little bit more

466
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,480
money to help you out. 
But to reduce deficit, stop 

467
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,720
giving out EHCPS and put these 
kids in mainstream schools. 

468
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,640
It was like beating them with a 
stick. 

469
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,480
Karen, I can give you more 
money. 

470
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,720
OK, So that was a safety valve 
scheme and that was an actual? 

471
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480
Scheme and it created. 
That's got to get me to create a

472
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,920
scheme around not giving 
children what they need, no? 

473
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,960
But I'll give you a bit more 
money. 

474
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:32,520
Yeah, that's essentially, isn't 
it? 

475
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,440
So the council be like, well, 
how can we reduce it? 

476
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,680
Because there's, there's these 
legal duties that we're tied to 

477
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,000
that we have. 
Well, don't worry about it. 

478
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,120
We'll get rid of the safety 
valve scheme and we'll get rid 

479
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:46,760
of all legal duties attached to 
EHC. 

480
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,760
PS:. 
Yes. 

481
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,200
And we'll put more kids in 
mainstream school. 

482
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,120
So there'll be any more 
deficits. 

483
00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,960
So they create a scheme that was
specifically aimed at reducing 

484
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,560
the amount of EHC PS children. 
That would be one of the 

485
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,680
targets. 
That's one of the targets. 

486
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,600
Yeah, set to it for example. 
OK, cool. 

487
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,640
So, OK, so that makes so, so 
there's a financial incentive to

488
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,840
not give children what they 
needed essentially. 

489
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,080
That's going to be part of the 
reason so many ended up going to

490
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,600
tribunal, surely. 
Yeah, which which ended up 

491
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,560
putting legal costs up. 
So I know what we'll do. 

492
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,400
We'll get rid of the tribunals 
and EHCP. 

493
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,760
So that safety valve scheme 
actually only really works if 

494
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,720
you fuck off the right to 
appeal. 

495
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,360
Yes. 
Cool. 

496
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,840
Yes, OK. 
So which is? 

497
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,520
Probably what's now going to 
happen, isn't it? 

498
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,640
Essentially, that's what this is
going to be, this is what the 

499
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,760
reform is going to be. 
Yeah, so basically it's going to

500
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,440
be like safety valve on steroids
now. 

501
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Yeah. 
So instead of just some councils

502
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,760
entering agreements with with 
the government, now all councils

503
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,960
may need to submit reform plans.
The debt write off is the carrot

504
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,640
and compliance reforms is the 
stick. 

505
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,520
So we don't know what these 
reforms require, we don't know 

506
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,480
if there will be targets 
associated with them. 

507
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,560
We don't know if EHCP numbers 
will need to be reduced. 

508
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,320
Local authorities have 
reportedly been briefed on 

509
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,640
reforms since December, before 
the SEND National conversation 

510
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,960
ended, so that suggests 
decisions may have already been 

511
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,760
made prior to the big public. 
We're having a SEND national 

512
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,680
conference conversation the. 
The scheme is designed to 

513
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,880
restore financial stability, but
it's faced criticism from 

514
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,280
parents and advocates for 
prioritising financial targets 

515
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,200
of their legal entitlements of 
children with special 

516
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,760
educational needs. 
Yeah, yeah, 'cause it is. 

517
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,520
That's exactly what it was 
fucking doing. 

518
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,720
Why? 
So. 

519
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,640
They gave it a name. 
It's not even like this bit. 

520
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,840
This thing they were doing on 
the back door, they gave it a 

521
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,080
fucking. 
Name No, it wasn't like a brown 

522
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,680
paper bag full of money. 
No, this is like it's a scheme. 

523
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,120
No, we care about your kids. 
Honestly get rid of these EHCP 

524
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,080
stop spending money. 
So 90% of the council send 

525
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,400
deficits will be written off. 
OK, you know that sounds 

526
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,320
massively positive there. 
So local authorities have been 

527
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,760
spending more on send services 
than they received from central 

528
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,600
government, accumulating massive
high need block deficits. 

529
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,920
They're also paying interest on 
those debts and facing real 

530
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,520
threat of effective bankruptcy. 
So the financial, the financial 

531
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:30,520
pressure on councils and local 
authorities has led to delays in

532
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,720
assessments, attempts to reduce 
spending, placement pressures, 

533
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,000
pressures more children pushed 
into mainstream settings. 

534
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,880
And councils have been lobbying 
governments for years to resolve

535
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,880
these deficits. 
So now the government say we'll 

536
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,000
wipe out 90% of it. 
That's enormous. 

537
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,560
We'll get rid of the the kind of
safety valve scheme. 

538
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,040
But the problem is the write off
is conditional. 

539
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,040
You're not just going to write 
it off and say there you go, 

540
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,240
have a clean slate, start again.
Councils must now produce a send

541
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,320
reform plan that is acceptable 
to the Department for Education.

542
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,240
And this is where alarm bells 
should start ringing, because 

543
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,200
this is exactly how the previous
safety valve scheme worked. 

544
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,840
So you effectively just got rid 
of it, but replaced it with 

545
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800
something exactly. 
What we just said. 

546
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,880
So the headlines on those papers
were like, bloody hell, 

547
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,680
government spending on hard 
earned taxpayers money on these 

548
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,240
disabled kids again, they've 
written off 90% of the debt and 

549
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,400
all this sort of stuff. 
Well, you haven't really. 

550
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,480
Yeah, you've got rid of it, but 
there's still, there's still 

551
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,920
lots of. 
Yeah, they've got rid of it. 

552
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,200
Shackles attached to it. 
Yeah, they they've just shut it 

553
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,880
down, repackaged it, renamed it 
as something else. 

554
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,680
It's the same fucking thing but 
worse. 

555
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Yeah, and you've got to remember
now like future funding from 

556
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,920
2028 to 29, like in the autumn 
budget just gone, send funding 

557
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,160
will move to central government 
in 2028 and 29. 

558
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320
And obviously the key question 
is if councils don't hold the 

559
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,200
purse strings, how do you 
control spending? 

560
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,360
And one possible answer that 
everyone's saying is you hold 

561
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:07,920
the deficit write off over them.
So it's like we've taken away 

562
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,880
this debt, now you've got to 
play ball with us. 

563
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,560
Yeah, yeah. 
And you've. 

564
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,640
Got to remember that 90% write 
off only covers deficits up to 

565
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,680
March 2026, right, OK, So 
anything upon that, the council 

566
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,720
to start accruing debt again? 
Yeah. 

567
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,320
And they go look, we wrote it 
off. 

568
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,240
You want to get some more you 
want. 

569
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,880
The pressure now not to issue 
out UEC, yeah. 

570
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,600
You want a bit of help, but 
there's money. 90% so that's 

571
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,720
massive. 
Yeah, you can. 

572
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,600
I mean, fucking kudos to the 
government. 

573
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,960
You could see. 
I mean the fucking played a 

574
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,240
fucking absolute blinder there. 
Oh, the deal. 

575
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,160
We've cleared 90% of it. 
Cool. 

576
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
You only owe us not. 
You've only owe us 10% now until

577
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,000
March, Yeah. 
Which, funnily enough, is 

578
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,600
probably when they. 
All and the figures say from 

579
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:52,520
2026 to 2028 councils will 
accrue billions in debt. 

580
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Again, government have said 
future support will be, and this

581
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240
is inverted commerce, 
proportionate but not unlimited.

582
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,000
So that will keep the pressure 
on councils to play by their 

583
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,000
rules now because they hold 
everything. 

584
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Has anybody, because obviously 
this is all it needed reform. 

585
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,400
No one wants the local authority
to be going bankrupt. 

586
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,320
And yeah, almost all of them 
were we're. 

587
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400
All disabled kids are hated 
enough at the moment, we don't 

588
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,520
need any more reason, do we? 
I'd love to know what the 

589
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,200
alternative would have been to 
what they're doing. 

590
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:29,200
It's not. 
It's not about money. 

591
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,000
Yeah, it's not about money. 
Well, you know, everything I've 

592
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,400
just read there is literally 
about money. 

593
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Yeah, it's all about money. 
And we get it has to be about 

594
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:43,640
money, but where you're spending
taxpayers money at the moment? 

595
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,800
Yeah. 
Could it be more effectively 

596
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280
used for some of these children,
or are more children going to be

597
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000
written off and not given the 
opportunities to actually 

598
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,400
succeed in life and potentially 
add value in the sense of being 

599
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:03,040
taxpayers themselves? 
This this is like the key thing.

600
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,360
And I think one of the the the 
the measures that came out, I 

601
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,960
think Rachel made a really good 
point from Send Reliances is 

602
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,200
basically having the the right 
education early. 

603
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Early on. 
Yeah, really early on. 

604
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,440
Yeah. 
OK. 

605
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,680
The intervention education 
determines independence. 

606
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,360
Independence, or the level of it
determines, determines lifelong 

607
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,400
care needs, and it's lifelong 
care that determines state 

608
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,680
costs. 
Yeah, get it right early on. 

609
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,720
Get it right early on. 
And. 

610
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,400
And ironically, under supporting
children now increases long term

611
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,520
public spending in the long run.
Yeah, and and this is and that 

612
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,720
that's that's the local 
authority. 

613
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:50,200
Obviously that's their priority.
Parents too parent like accept 

614
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,960
what you what you what your kid 
needs. 

615
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,760
If your kid needs a specially 
setting, get them especially 

616
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,280
setting if you can. 
So many parents won't. 

617
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:07,000
I know I know some their kids 
are 100% they need special 

618
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,880
educational settings and they 
can't see it. 

619
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,480
They can't see it because they 
don't want to accept it. 

620
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,160
They don't want their kid being 
in a school where there's 

621
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,800
profoundly disabled children in 
wheelchairs. 

622
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,480
I don't want the stigma of that.
Hoists. 

623
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Exactly. 
And it is, it's this. 

624
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
And so it's I don't think it's 
even conscious. 

625
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,440
I think it's quite subconscious.
But if your kids get the right 

626
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,560
education early on, chances of 
them thriving and being the best

627
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,720
they can be, yeah, it's so much 
higher, mate. 

628
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880
This is a little bit fucking 
scary, isn't it? 

629
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,680
It is scary. 
It's a bit, it's a bit scary. 

630
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,640
I'm at the stage now just like, 
you know, piss or get off the 

631
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,760
pot. 
Do you know what I mean? 

632
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Just get the white paper out 
there. 

633
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,560
Stop all this dicking. 
Around leaking stuff, it's just.

634
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,280
Getting just you know what, stop
trying to RIP the plaster off 

635
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,200
slowly and protect off. 
Just get it out there. 

636
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,280
RIP it off exactly We can go 
through it. 

637
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,480
We can hammer it out, tell you 
it's not fit for purpose here or

638
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,280
this little bit here is actually
a quite a good idea, but you've 

639
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,120
got to just let us. 
Know I'm like that Nate, just 

640
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,160
fucking release it. 
If it's done, release it or just

641
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440
fucking abate. 
Or just don't bother at all. 

642
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Yeah, that'll be better. 
Yeah, that'll be better. 

643
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Leave the shit show as it is. 
Cancels going bankrupt. 

644
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,880
And this is I keep bouncing back
because you can't carry on as it

645
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,320
is. 
No. 

646
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Is it like Shropshire giving 
special permission to increase 

647
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
council rates by 9 percent or 
something like that? 

648
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,960
You know, this is to have it 
all. 

649
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,320
And the thing that's coming out 
now is because of the rhetoric 

650
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,800
is a lot of uneducated, thick 
bastards are thinking it's 

651
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,280
because of disabled children. 
Yeah, it's oh. 

652
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Yeah, it's great. 
Do you know what I mean? 

653
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,480
And then you just get fucking 
idiots coming out and they're 

654
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,920
just jumping on the bandwagon. 
We've had them in some of the 

655
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,240
comments where they just, they 
just have no idea what they're 

656
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400
talking about and think that do 
you know what? 

657
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,800
People just want to, you know, 
claim extra benefits and 

658
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,640
everything else like that. 
You just want to label your 

659
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,160
kids. 
And let's let's not be, let's 

660
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,760
not pretend that doesn't exist. 
No, there'll be that small 

661
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640
minority. 
There's going to be a small 

662
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,640
minority of people that are 
trying to get benefits. 

663
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,120
But they'll do that with every 
benefit. 

664
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,560
Exactly. 
They'll do that. 

665
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,200
They'll do it with all of them. 
You know, it's it's you Don't 

666
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,280
throw the baby out in the bath 
water. 

667
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,440
I said in the, in our, you know,
the dad's WhatsApp group this 

668
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,120
morning, this earlier on today, 
it's like you can't just say, 

669
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,840
right, OK, there's a, there's, 
there's a minority of people 

670
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:30,880
that do it. 
So we must stop it for 

671
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,720
everybody, you know, or, or 
curtail it. 

672
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,680
It's like saying, Oh my God, 
somebody's had a car crash. 

673
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,680
We must stop all drivers from 
getting behind the wheel. 

674
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,480
No, it can't operate like that. 
There's always going to be that 

675
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,080
small percentage that milk the 
system. 

676
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,080
You just go get better at 
detecting it. 

677
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,360
But I think I think it's 
important that as a community, 

678
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,840
we, we, I'd say admit we 
recognise that we know that 

679
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,800
happens because what happens is 
you get you get these points 

680
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,680
that come from the other side, 
whether that be the amount we 

681
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,760
spend on taxis or that there are
people that are strange in the 

682
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
system. 
And typically the response that 

683
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,680
comes back is there's no one 
stranging the system. 

684
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,719
What you want to make these 
children all all, all need. 

685
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,679
This. 
Or my John needs to get. 

686
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,960
He has a right. 
If that's in a taxi, it's in a 

687
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,880
taxi. 
I think there's middle ground 

688
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,639
where you got to go. 
Hang on. 

689
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Yeah, OK. 
Maybe a taxi to a private firm 

690
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,159
isn't the best idea. 
Maybe we are kind of pissing 

691
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:30,600
money away there. 
You you can meet people halfway 

692
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,120
and go. 
Yeah, that probably isn't the 

693
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,360
best idea in the world. 
But then you kind of think like,

694
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,760
all right, we're discussing 
taxis and like, some people, you

695
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,120
know, probably don't need a 
taxi. 

696
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,400
Some people definitely do need a
taxi. 

697
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Everything else like that, we're
discussing taxis. 

698
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,560
Why don't you take a step back? 
Why the government giving out 

699
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,679
contracts to take if it's 
costing. 

700
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Oh, that's what I mean. 
If it's costing so much money 

701
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,159
and we go, no, we're still 
giving out taxis. 

702
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,880
Bring it in house. 
Yeah, bring it in house. 

703
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Don't don't like I've. 
Been saying that for fucking 

704
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:01,920
months. 
Why? 

705
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,520
Isn't that amount of money, as 
in their words, wasted on taxis 

706
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,440
or transport like that, Right. 
Bring it in house. 

707
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,960
Yeah. 
And like you do with things like

708
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,480
shop dock or something like 
that, right. 

709
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,480
Here's a contract for the all of
Shropshire or the West Midlands.

710
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,640
The bank. 
There you go, tender. 

711
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,360
That's it now. 
That's a big government thing 

712
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,920
though, is putting things out to
tender to private companies and 

713
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,320
paying absolutely insane amounts
of money. 

714
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,440
I just, but all these people are
just never worked in the private

715
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,000
sector. 
They just, I've got a job in the

716
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,160
public sector now. 
I'm a big dog. 

717
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,080
I can, I can negotiate contract.
Well, clearly you fucking can't,

718
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,320
can you? 
They're not negotiating, are 

719
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,080
they? 
They just go for the. 

720
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Treats just go, oh, we'll do a 
tender and everyone's just like,

721
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,440
oh, it's a public contract, I'll
milk them because they're what 

722
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,280
you would do if you're a 
business. 

723
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,360
Absolutely you would. 
Here's a customer, they've got 

724
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,880
no idea what they're talking to.
We can all, we can all add an 

725
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,840
extra 3040% on it and they just 
won't know, they'll just pay. 

726
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,800
But if you had the same contract
between private sector and 

727
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,040
private sector would hammer the 
fuck out of that contract 

728
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,800
absolutely down until it was it 
was right for everybody. 

729
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,000
But hey, it's public money. 
Yeah, if you're marking my, if 

730
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,720
somebody marks it up by 40, 
someone else marks it up by 30, 

731
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,720
someone else marks it up by 20%.
Yeah, well, you go with the one 

732
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,320
that's only marking up by 20. 
It's still fucking ridiculous. 

733
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,800
It's ridiculous. 
It's like prime examples HS2 

734
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,280
those those businesses must have
been like this is the money tree

735
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,680
that never ends and we'll keep 
going. 

736
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,360
I'm sorry we've delayed it. 
We are we've not been able to 

737
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,640
match it. 
You'll need to fork out another 

738
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,240
XYZ millions to keep it on 
track. 

739
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,840
You just wouldn't get that No, 
it's just like you wouldn't get 

740
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,120
I negotiate a better deal with a
builder on a house. 

741
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,800
The kind of a quote right. 
That's not acceptable. 

742
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Although let's hammer it down. 
Yeah, we do it in every day in 

743
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,360
our lives. 
But and when it comes to public 

744
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,840
money, it's. 
Just that and that's again, I've

745
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,960
said a few times I've not yes, 
we need more money, but before 

746
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,640
we decide how much more money we
need, let's fucking efficiently 

747
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,520
spend what we've already got. 
And we're definitely not. 

748
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,360
No, definitely the the taxis is 
just it's just an example. 

749
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,440
Hate him or private taxi? 
Fare hate him or love him, it's 

750
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,280
not this is not the point, but 
like the way Elon Musk went in 

751
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,600
there went right. 
I'm going to RIP these 

752
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,960
departments apart now, Doge 
yeah, that was it and just go 

753
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,080
right. 
This is ridiculous. 

754
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,040
Why are you spending money on 
this? 

755
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Why are you spending £3,000,000 
a year on biscuits? 

756
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,520
Fucking shit. 
I. 

757
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Remotely, positively talking 
about Elon. 

758
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,920
But it's not even just about him
or. 

759
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,760
He loves Elon Musk. 
All he does all the time is talk

760
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,520
about, hey, how much he loves 
Elon Musk. 

761
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:25,800
I'm an absolute fucking legend. 
He is. 

762
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,120
It's all the posters I've got as
well. 

763
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Replace all the pictures of my 
family with him but didn't. 

764
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,000
They weren't they doing 
something like doge in in the 

765
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,280
UKI? 
Think they were on about? 

766
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,160
It. 
They're talking about it, 

767
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,480
weren't they? 
But then he probably. 

768
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,640
What a novel idea. 
Let's just see, spend the Shafin

769
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,280
money up the wall or not. 
No, we can't do that because 

770
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,240
everyone's on the gravy train. 
Exactly. 

771
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Yeah, we saw a prime example of 
that when COVID happened. 

772
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,960
It was down to PPE. 
Oh God, the contracts they were.

773
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Giving wait a minute, you've had
no experience of PPE. 

774
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560
You run a pub, but you've just 
sent them a limited company Yeah

775
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,080
here, here's a load of money and
we. 

776
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,000
Just happened to be mates. 
Yeah, we just have to. 

777
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,320
Be mates. 
Oh go on Tories. 

778
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,560
Go have a contract, buy all the 
words PPE from Turkey or 

779
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,720
something like that. 
Not usable, but now we're paying

780
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,240
for it to be stored. 
Yeah, nuts. 

781
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,280
Sort stuff out like that, yeah. 
Yeah, I'd love to know much of 

782
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,320
that shit's happening, do. 
You know what? 

783
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,360
It's fucking nuts. 
I bet it would be scary. 

784
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,880
It would be scary. 
But this is the thing, I just, I

785
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,840
don't know. 
I just think money, money's been

786
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,080
so inefficiently spent. 
But, yeah, to that point, when 

787
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,440
people on the other side of the 
aisle go, yeah, but what about 

788
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,080
this? 
Let's be honest with ourselves 

789
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,760
sometimes. 
Yeah. 

790
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,600
And go, do you know what? 
Yeah. 

791
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,760
That's probably not the most 
efficient way of, of spending 

792
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,680
the money. 
But that doesn't take anything 

793
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,640
away from the fact that our 
children need this. 

794
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,480
Yeah, maybe we shouldn't be 
doing it this way, but they need

795
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,400
this. 
I think. 

796
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,000
I think this is going to end up 
going backwards a little bit 

797
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:55,800
because I think it's going to 
go. 

798
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,840
They seem again. 
I can't get that fucking 

799
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,680
classroom out of the head. 
It seems to me that it's 

800
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,640
specialist or that classroom. 
I've seen nothing else. 

801
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,760
No. 
OK, so if we just take for 

802
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,080
example, some of those people 
that were messaging last week, 

803
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,840
the last couple of weeks, the 
children that from our viewpoint

804
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,800
were like, oh, they need 
specialist. 

805
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Not they're not even borderline.
No, they like need especially 

806
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,640
saying, but they've been 
recommended for mainstream. 

807
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:34,040
OK, let's just go with it. 
Yeah, OK, they go in mainstream.

808
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,480
Is that the fucking cash room? 
That non verbal kid in seven 

809
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,160
still in nappies like Thomas and
Lydia is? 

810
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,960
Is that where they're going? 
One of those classrooms. 

811
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
The one who eats stones has to 
be fed babies too. 

812
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,680
Stones get fed babies. 
Yeah, because they can't 

813
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,880
fucking. 
Collect, but we've got coloured 

814
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,240
cards. 
Like is that, I mean, OK, that 

815
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,680
that was to be fair, that was a 
secondary school. 

816
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,000
OK, fine. 
But they're, they're, they're 

817
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,000
going to start rolling it out of
secondary schools 1st and then 

818
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,280
the plan is afterwards we'll 
roll it out to kind of primary 

819
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,840
schools, but the primary. 
Schools have fun primary school 

820
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,320
teachers. 
But the primary schools will be 

821
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,080
clustered together. 
Yeah, like back in the day. 

822
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,440
Yeah. 
We'll, we'll, we'll take some 

823
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,320
from this school, this school, 
but we'll create like a bit of a

824
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,440
cluster for for what? 
Wait, yeah. 

825
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:25,520
Wait, no, this is just build 
some more specialist schools as 

826
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,640
well. 
No one's even met desperately. 

827
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Needed. 
Where in the discussion about 

828
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,920
this have they said, do you know
what we're going to do? 

829
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,680
We need to build some more 
specialist schools because 

830
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:33,840
they're oversubscribed. 
Yeah. 

831
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,280
I mean not even slightly 
oversubscribed. 

832
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,320
No, the fact that you've got 
profoundly and in our case, 

833
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,160
autistic children that are being
forced into mainstream schools, 

834
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,640
yeah, like profound, like you 
just described that profoundly. 

835
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Not even like, could they, could
there not be No, like they're 

836
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,080
wearing a nappy at 7 years old. 
They can't speak. 

837
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,560
They've got no like, awareness. 
They're eating baby food and 

838
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,880
they're eating stones. 
Yeah, right. 

839
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:00,720
You clearly. 
Need that even more. 

840
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,560
Yeah, you. 
Clearly need to build some more,

841
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,480
but then somebody else made a 
point that all right, if you 

842
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,520
push more children to mainstream
schools, does that mean that the

843
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,880
need for specialist schools will
go down? 

844
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120
In the sense that they'll stop 
getting funding because there's 

845
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,800
no required need anymore, even 
though there fucking is? 

846
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,680
This just sounds like a horrible
failed experiment waiting to 

847
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,600
take place. 
That's what I mean. 

848
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,880
I mean, that's what's going to 
happen. 

849
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:26,480
Oh my God bless you teachers of.
Mainstream. 

850
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,320
School, primary and secretary 
bless you because you are in for

851
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,600
a fucking shit ride. 
You're in the firing line. 

852
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,200
For something you did not sign 
up for, you're you're you're 

853
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:39,600
going to have a shit time. 
And it would be one of the few 

854
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,440
teacher strikes I will fully 
support. 

855
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:44,840
Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, go for 
it. 

856
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Fill your boots. 
Yeah, support that. 

857
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Yeah, support that all. 
Day long. 

858
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:51,920
But yeah, it's, it's not going 
to affect we, we, we make light 

859
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,600
of it sometimes. 
And you know, bit of tongue in 

860
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,680
cheek, but if you're a teacher 
now and this is going to be your

861
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,120
future, all right, we've got a 
lot of teachers that are burnt 

862
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,680
out and they're very close and 
God bless them, they carry on 

863
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,520
because of the children. 
They still go up. 

864
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,080
I'll keep you know, we all joke 
about oh, you got longer 

865
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,600
holidays and everything else 
like this, but you're looking 

866
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,160
after everyone's kids and 
educating them. 

867
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,120
So kids, Dick heads, kids can be
massive. 

868
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Kids can be massive Dick. 
Heads. 

869
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,680
We know parents can be massive 
Dick heads as well. 

870
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680
So, you know, we joke about it, 
but you're doing stealing work. 

871
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,320
But add this onto it. 
I think it's going to be a 

872
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,480
breaking point for a lot of 
teachers. 

873
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
You know what I'm out of? 
This and who's going to want to 

874
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,120
train to be who's going to go to
university to train to be a 

875
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,040
teacher when it's like, OK, so I
I'm now automatically a send 

876
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,280
teacher as well as a main 
student. 

877
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,160
No, no, you'll be mainstream. 
But what happens when the send 

878
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,160
teachers off? 
I'll yeah, 01 of you just step 

879
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,520
in, won't? 
You, I'm sorry, they'll all need

880
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,600
training because they'll all be 
in the same fucking building. 

881
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:49,960
They'll all be at the same 
school. 

882
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,800
You know what? 
Every neurodivergent kid is so 

883
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,360
different, not just in a little 
way, in a massive. 

884
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,920
Massively in a huge. 
Way yeah, and these are the kids

885
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,440
that are in mainstream that, you
know, will unfortunately, 

886
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,800
sometimes it could be a pressure
overload. 

887
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,240
They'll flip out. 
They'll do things that we 

888
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,240
remember the kids were at 
school. 

889
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,400
Like why does he just put his 
hand through the window? 

890
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,440
Yeah, I remember that kid in my 
school did that. 

891
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,880
He just lost it during the 
lesson. 

892
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,160
His hand went straight through 
the window. 

893
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000
All right, looking back now, 
dickhead. 

894
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,680
Clearly. 
Yeah, that's what it was at the 

895
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:16,680
time and. 
The time was like, you're being 

896
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,640
a bit of a dickhead. 
Looking back now, I'm like, you 

897
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:19,880
were clearly like neuro 
diverging. 

898
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,000
Whether it was ADHD or something
like that. 

899
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,600
There was something going on 
with you, buddy, and now it'd be

900
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,480
like, well, I've just had a kid 
put his hand through the window,

901
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,200
but sorry, sorry, he's over 
there eating stones and this 

902
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,320
one's now with a fidget spinner 
and that guy's holding up a red 

903
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,000
card. 
What is it? 

904
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,840
And also because the way the way
the world is today, no hands on.

905
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,120
Oh no, no hands on. 
So what do I do? 

906
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,680
What do I do? 
Yeah. 

907
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,000
What, what? 
What can we do? 

908
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:49,080
I mean, the staff on Thomas bus,
they can't even put Thomas on 

909
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,640
the bus. 
They can't manhandle him onto 

910
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,080
the bus, even if we go 
manhandling. 

911
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,720
Please do because I think it's 
important for, I mean, this is 

912
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,320
me personally with Thomas. 
I think it's important for 

913
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,160
Thomas to realise that people in
positions of authority, if they 

914
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,240
tell him to do something, you 
need to do it. 

915
00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:13,200
And if you don't do it, it's 
happening because that's very 

916
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,400
quickly how you learn. 
OK, not, not saying abuse him, 

917
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600
but you could just pick him up 
and go, hey, you're sitting in 

918
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,880
this chair. 
No, but he'll lose his 

919
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,640
personality. 
So if if that if the staff can't

920
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:31,240
do that when a kid puts his fish
through a window or threatens 

921
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,440
somebody with a pencil or like, 
I'm just picking random shit out

922
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:35,600
of here. 
Wants to hurt themselves. 

923
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,920
Or tries to swallow something 
like what? 

924
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,480
What then? 
Can they stop it? 

925
00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:41,200
Or do they just have to stand 
there and? 

926
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,040
And is it then going to be an 
undermanned thing in the future?

927
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,320
Is it just going to be, oh, 
we've got 1 teacher for all of 

928
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,320
this And then it becomes so 
overwhelming because of the 

929
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
amount of children that, you 
know, it's, it's just so many 

930
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,440
different things. 
I think they're just putting a 

931
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,440
really glossy brochure together 
at the moment to push out there 

932
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,360
that it's going to be superb and
they'll get it through. 

933
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,200
It's I had another message. 
Where was it? 

934
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,920
I can't find it. 
But yes, somebody said about 

935
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,200
self harmony and keeps coming up
especially I think people have 

936
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,800
seen it on kind of Facebook 
reels and stuff and it kind of 

937
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,840
gives them that because that's a
really hard thing to share. 

938
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,320
You know if your kids self. 
Are saying that they don't want 

939
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,800
to be here anymore and stuff 
like that. 

940
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Yeah, because you can feel as a 
parent that you've you've failed

941
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,600
a child and then you don't want 
to share that publicly. 

942
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,400
Yeah, of course. 
Which is no, it's no reflection 

943
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,640
of you as a parent because you 
are. 

944
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,440
You are living this day in, day 
out. 

945
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,400
Yeah, but it was it was another 
one of those just another unrest

946
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,160
that's going to go through the 
roof with all these kids in the 

947
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,440
wrong, in the wrong place where 
they're not understood. 

948
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,680
You know, they're not getting 
not getting one to ones when 

949
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,120
they're supposed to get one to 
ones. 

950
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,240
I mean, that's going to, I mean,
sorry, we've already seen it. 

951
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,320
But children that need one to 
ones, I'm guessing if they're in

952
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,160
a mainstream setting, they won't
be getting a 1 to 1. 

953
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:16,440
The whole idea of that is I'm, 
I'm guessing if there's no E no 

954
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,680
EHCP in the mainstream, well, 
there's nothing there to say. 

955
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,120
They get Oh God again, teachers 
are going to have fucking shit 

956
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,960
time. 
It's going to be absolutely 

957
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,400
shocking. 
Yeah, it is. 

958
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,080
I'm just bringing up something 
that always sticks with my my 

959
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,160
mind because it's like, how far 
do we take? 

960
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,160
Take this And you know, it's the
rhetoric at the moment. 

961
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,240
I've mentioned this to you 
before. 

962
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:47,320
And I'm not suggesting this is 
the angle that this government 

963
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
is taking, because if they dare 
do that, then there'll be 

964
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,360
absolutely bloodshed on the 
streets. 

965
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,000
But I've said to you, Nazi 
Germany. 

966
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,720
Oh yeah, What was it called 
again? 

967
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Acting on T4. 
Was it T4? 

968
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,480
T4. 
The T4 policy was a secret Nazi 

969
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,880
programme that systematically 
murdered people with 

970
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,760
disabilities and mental 
illnesses between 1939 and 

971
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,600
194141 and continued other forms
until 1945. 

972
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,080
Ordered under Adolf Hitler. 
Named after the address of its 

973
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,760
Berlin headquarters. 
Hence it's why why it was called

974
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,800
T4. 
And always, always wondered why 

975
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,640
I find it strange that Channel 4
used to have T4. 

976
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,240
Yeah, probably could have named 
it something else. 

977
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:29,000
Yeah. 
So again, it did target children

978
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,720
considered life unworthy of 
life. 

979
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,120
And victims included people with
intellectual disabilities, 

980
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,880
autism as understood at the 
time, physical disabilities, 

981
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,600
epilepsy, you know, those sort 
of things there. 

982
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,800
And around 70,000 people were 
murdered because of this. 

983
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,920
And it's one of the key things 
that the, the rhetoric behind it

984
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,960
was that unfortunately, these 
these children, these 

985
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,320
individuals cost the state too 
much money and they will never 

986
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,560
add anything to it. 
So why should we be spending 

987
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,040
money on them trying to educate,
trying to, you know. 

988
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,680
Obviously we're using that the 
worst. 

989
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,840
This is the extreme, but you can
see the crossover. 

990
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,960
Yeah, of course you can. 
You can see the crossover and 

991
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,480
some of the rhetoric queues 
there. 

992
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,960
And if you're in Challenger 
enough, you know what I'm 

993
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,280
saying? 
I'm not saying that we're going 

994
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,280
to start round or they're going 
to start rounding up our 

995
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,440
children and and doing that sort
of thing. 

996
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,720
But you can understand the 
rhetoric that's going out there.

997
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,200
And the Nazis had a campaign 
which was very much like, again,

998
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,200
propaganda, The reason that, you
know, there's not enough money 

999
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,240
or why should we be spending 
money on these people that 

1000
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,040
aren't going to put anything 
back into the system? 

1001
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,480
You know, maybe we should do 
something with that. 

1002
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:47,600
It's a sort of stuff you're, 
you're seeing in, in the press 

1003
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,080
now, you know, Oh, the reason 
there's no money for potholes. 

1004
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,080
It's all these bloody kids or 
they're, they're costing too 

1005
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,480
much money on taxis, everything 
else like that. 

1006
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,120
Then you start to get a bit of A
and we've seen in comments, 

1007
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,840
people become more emboldened to
say, oh, ridiculous things. 

1008
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,240
And I dropped a message into the
group today. 

1009
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,720
Fucking say it. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:49:05,720 --> 00:49:07,560
All right then. 
Because it was, I mean, I said, 

1011
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,600
I shared that with a friend and 
he said, surely this is 

1012
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,440
rhetoric. 
This is. 

1013
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,040
Well, I'll say it. 
Is it satire? 

1014
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,680
I don't know, let's let 
everybody else decide whether 

1015
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,000
this is satire or not and we're 
all for a bit of free speech, 

1016
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,320
but OK. 
So Monkmoor pub Shrewsbury put a

1017
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,000
post out a couple of days ago 
saying do you have? 

1018
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:31,720
And with that is a photo of a 
steel cage on wheels outside 

1019
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,880
with a lid on it. 
And their post was. 

1020
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,240
Do you have children of ADHD? 
We are absolutely certain they 

1021
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,000
prevent you, us and everyone 
else from enjoying time in the 

1022
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,800
pub. 
Throw them in our holding pen 

1023
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,040
for little shits. 
Room for about 6 at the time or 

1024
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,480
one family brood. 
We are the monk. 

1025
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Possibly not particularly 
correct, but providing sensible 

1026
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,760
solutions to new new modern 
social issues. 

1027
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,200
All right, all up for a bit of 
tongue in cheek everything else 

1028
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,720
like that. 
But a couple of years ago, 

1029
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,240
people wouldn't put post out 
like that or suggest that it's 

1030
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,160
funny. 
But if you are, you know, if you

1031
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,120
want to be a bit out there and 
and be not politically correct, 

1032
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,440
you're starting off with like 
children of ADHD. 

1033
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,800
What do you want to move on to 
then? 

1034
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,000
Cerebral palsy. 
Anything else like that? 

1035
00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:18,440
Where's it start? 
If you're having a bit of a 

1036
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:19,800
laugh, you might as well use 
everybody. 

1037
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Yeah, let's, let's talk about 
people with a different skin 

1038
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:27,320
tone or people that are a 
different sexual connotation or 

1039
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,120
anything else like that. 
Yeah, where's the post on that? 

1040
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Now we'll just have a go at kids
with ADHD because they're low 

1041
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,120
hanging fruit. 
So yes, do you know, do you know

1042
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,040
what I mean? 
It's fucked. 

1043
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Again, I I'm a massive free 
speech proponent. 

1044
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,360
Absolutely say. 
Absolutely say whatever you want

1045
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,120
to say. 
But also be prepared for the 

1046
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
ramifications and the feedback. 
It's it's a two way St isn't it?

1047
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,480
Absolutely. 
Because I would like to think 

1048
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:57,720
that everybody who sees that, 
that has some kind of a 

1049
00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:59,520
connection. 
I mean, they were specific about

1050
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:04,160
ADHD and kids say again, kids 
with ADHD. 

1051
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,720
Kids with ADHD, Yeah, Yeah. 
Little shits, apparently. 

1052
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,880
Yeah, exactly. 
But they've got a holding. 

1053
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,400
Would not go there. 
Yeah, but they did end it by 

1054
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,760
saying, like, free Valentine's 
Prosecco tomorrow from 8:00. 

1055
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,840
So. 
Yeah. 

1056
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,240
And then they said you can get 
tanked up and produce a few more

1057
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:20,920
of the hyperactive little 
darlings. 

1058
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,080
Yeah. 
Yeah, just bizarre to to make 

1059
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680
light of of something like that.
But yeah, the fact that you they

1060
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,840
feel emboldened to do a face 
that kind of public, yeah. 

1061
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,280
You know, thing that's happening
at the moment. 

1062
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,760
Yeah, exactly. 
And and I'm it's on Facebook, 

1063
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,880
leave it on Facebook. 
No one try and cancel them. 

1064
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Just let let everybody see it. 
If you're a piece of shit human,

1065
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,840
let people show what absolute 
pieces of shit they are. 

1066
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,000
So we all know about it. 
But yeah, I when you sent me 

1067
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,840
that, I was like, Nah. 
And I sent that to my mate and 

1068
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,440
he was like, that's satire. 
Shortly I was like, I don't 

1069
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,240
think it is. 
Yeah, but why have satire 

1070
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,560
against? 
Bizarre. 

1071
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,120
Children. 
Yeah, just find another Weird. 

1072
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Yeah, whatever floats your boat.
Yeah. 

1073
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,720
Anyway, that's the that's the 
Montmore. 

1074
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Montmore. 
Pub in Shrewsbury? 

1075
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,840
Yeah, you're welcome. 
To be fair, if there's any pub 

1076
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,760
in Shrewsbury that's going to 
put post on all that, it's going

1077
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,880
to be the fucking Montmore in 
it. 

1078
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,280
Yeah, no offence. 
Montmore. 

1079
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,760
Free speech. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1080
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:27,680
So yeah, it's when do we reckon 
I I mean the white paper rumours

1081
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,240
were around half term. 
Half term. 

1082
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:31,080
We're in it now. 
So what we this week? 

1083
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Next week? 
Yeah. 

1084
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Are we going to get a chance to 
speak to Georgia Gould again? 

1085
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,040
I don't think we Well, not 
before. 

1086
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,800
Not before, no. 
I think that we did have a bit 

1087
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,720
of back and forth with the the 
press team there, but I think 

1088
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,720
Diaries weren't. 
Alive Diaries weren't alive. 

1089
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,800
Which may be an indicator that 
there's some big news coming out

1090
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,360
soon. 
Yeah, but hopefully we'll get a 

1091
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,640
chance once it is out to sit 
down with her mate. 

1092
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,160
We are going to go through that 
like a well, like Rachel will 

1093
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,920
tell you, I have no doubt 
everyone's going to go through 

1094
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
with a fine tooth comb. 
I think what we will probably do

1095
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,400
is for everyone else's benefit. 
I know that's what I would like 

1096
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,480
is if, if somebody had the time 
to go through it and just 

1097
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,440
deliver it back in kind of 
layman terms what it means for 

1098
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,160
everybody and why some of these 
things are happening. 

1099
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,440
Again, we're kind of we're 
seeing bits and pieces here, 

1100
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440
aren't we? 
I'm really looking forward to 

1101
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,360
seeing the actual white paper 
and going Sorry, what but. 

1102
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,360
Bit of light reading. 
Bit of light reading. 

1103
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:37,960
And still, you know, it's got to
come out and it's not going to 

1104
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,320
be law straight away, It's still
got to go through the process of

1105
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,560
going through the Commons. 
Everything else like that, the 

1106
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,480
law itself isn't actually going 
to change. 

1107
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,280
The law isn't going to change, 
is it? 

1108
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,800
All the children's acts and 
everything are still there. 

1109
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,280
Yeah, they're still there. 
It's just it's. 

1110
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,160
Still got to be fine. 
True, this is going to be 

1111
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,800
version 1. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1112
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,840
I mean, the law isn't going to 
change. 

1113
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,480
You can't just change it with a 
white paper. 

1114
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,640
But what's available to parents 
so they can use the law? 

1115
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,760
Well, that's. 
Interesting, because we we saw 

1116
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:15,040
something about some councils 
they're pushing back on the HCPS

1117
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,280
for kids saying we're waiting 
for the white paper. 

1118
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,080
It's like, do you want what? 
It makes no difference if they 

1119
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,560
released a white paper next 
week. 

1120
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,200
It still makes no difference 
because the law hasn't changed 

1121
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,360
the. 
Law. 

1122
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,720
The law hasn't. 
Changed so you still need to 

1123
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:31,000
follow the correct procedures 
exactly, otherwise you'll be in 

1124
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,920
breach. 
Yeah. 

1125
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,200
So essentially all it is going 
to change is what's made 

1126
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,800
available to parents. 
And even with schools and stuff,

1127
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,680
if if this is going to be a slow
process, you know, it's it. 

1128
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,960
If you were going to, if you 
were going to give someone an 

1129
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:53,200
EHCPA month ago, crack on. 
Yeah, wait for the white paper. 

1130
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,240
It's not like when the white 
paper comes out. 

1131
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,680
That's it, everything stops. 
Everything stops, everything's 

1132
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,160
getting thrown out. 
Yeah, so. 

1133
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,680
That's just. 
A weird response, yeah. 

1134
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,480
Unless the councils are still 
worried about the safety valve 

1135
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,200
scheme. 
What? 

1136
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Yeah, see, I mean. 
That's now they've think of, 

1137
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,560
said. 
March 26th, yeah, that's 

1138
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,760
interesting. 
Yeah, you work for us now. 90%. 

1139
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,560
No more money for you that's. 
A head of a carrot stick that 

1140
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,880
yeah, that's fucking. 
That's it, isn't it? 

1141
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,080
Exactly. 
And then, and then if we want to

1142
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:28,840
get clever, if we want to get 
really cynical, if it's a 

1143
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,600
certain government but your 
local MP isn't from that party, 

1144
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,560
are you going to get the funding
as well? 

1145
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,760
Or is the funding going to go 
to, well, it's Labour, so only 

1146
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,080
Labour constituencies will get 
the proper funding. 

1147
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,920
Yeah. 
Do you know, there's so many 

1148
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,000
ways that you can look at it if 
you're really cynical. 

1149
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,160
God when like. 
Let's go down the rabbit. 

1150
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,840
Hole. 
The way the Tories, yeah, acted 

1151
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,400
over the last few years. 
Cronyism. 

1152
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,920
Absolutely. 
Yeah, the cronyism was fucking 

1153
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,720
something. 
Else right for the boys. 

1154
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:06,320
And it was like, and then it was
like, it's time for labour. 

1155
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,520
Fresh pair of eyes. 
Fresh pair of eyes. 

1156
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,480
New chains. 
Come on. 

1157
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,560
And, you know, it was a little 
bit concerning, but Labour was 

1158
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,080
such a shoe in. 
They didn't release any policies

1159
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,600
because they didn't need to, but
they made a few promises here 

1160
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,440
and there. 
Yeah. 

1161
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,040
Oh, my God, what have they done?
Like, they've just been a 

1162
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,200
disappointment after 
disappointment after 

1163
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,800
disappointment. 
And I'm not speaking about 

1164
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,640
individuals here, but as a 
government, there was so much 

1165
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:42,160
hope, so much hope. 
When you look at me, when you 

1166
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,480
start looking back at the Tory 
days, even though they were a 

1167
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,920
bunch of twats, do you know when
you start longing for all those 

1168
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,960
days again? 
I look. 

1169
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,040
Back at I look back at the 
Tories and I'm like. 

1170
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,880
You knew what you were going to 
get and they didn't hide it at. 

1171
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Least they didn't claim to be 
something they like, something 

1172
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,720
else. 
Do you know, I honestly, I speak

1173
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:02,320
to, I speak to so many people 
and I, I hold my hands up and 

1174
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,120
I've said this before, I was a 
paid up Labour member for many 

1175
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:05,440
years. 
Oh. 

1176
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,400
Yeah, paid up member. 
No, literally pay my 

1177
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
subscription had the card, 
everything else like that and I 

1178
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,080
cancelled it. 
I cancelled it not I think. 

1179
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,120
What she kept last week. 
No, it's like as soon as I came 

1180
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,840
in and said are you old? 
We're coming for you. 

1181
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,920
I thought, what? 
What? 

1182
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Just ain't it. 
I think I got pissed off with 

1183
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,000
them before the last general 
election. 

1184
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,160
I wasted my vote. 
I genuinely don't really vote 

1185
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
for it, no. 
I've got no leaning. 

1186
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,280
Who's the guy? 
I've got the Green Party. 

1187
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:33,880
What's his name? 
Oh. 

1188
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,280
I can't even recall. 
He's the guy that used to say 

1189
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,760
could hypnotise women. 
Bigger boobs, bigger boobs. 

1190
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Yeah, well, he sounds like a 
legit guy. 

1191
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,840
Like, I'm like, I really like Ed
Davey. 

1192
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,360
I like Ed Davey. 
I really like Ed Davey. 

1193
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Yes, he obviously there is a 
bias there. 

1194
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,200
He's he's got a disabled, 
disabled child because. 

1195
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,920
He understands, yeah. 
He understands the the the fear 

1196
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,440
and everything else that people 
go through. 

1197
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:10,040
Yeah, and I, I mean, I think I, 
I just don't know because again,

1198
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:11,640
it's, it's protest votes, isn't 
it? 

1199
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,000
I mean. 
I don't know, it's just that if 

1200
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,800
you're. 
A But no one's right. 

1201
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,040
I mean, people, obviously the 
reform, we're going to get a lot

1202
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,800
of votes, reform of a very. 
Good chance of being reform. 

1203
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,080
We're going to get so many 
votes, and I think a vast 

1204
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,680
majority of that would just be 
disillusioned people. 

1205
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,360
Not because they're like, I'm. 
I'm a right wing. 

1206
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Yeah, I'm reformed through 
through. 

1207
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,400
It's like, yeah, something's 
gone. 

1208
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,160
I'm just going to put it I'm 
disillusioned. 

1209
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,000
Yeah. 
And more of a protest votes or 

1210
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,880
anything else like that. 
If you in the hope that when the

1211
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,840
figures do come through other 
parties go, oh we've ballsed up 

1212
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,080
here, yeah, maybe we need to 
look at some of our basically 

1213
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,680
the way we run things or our 
policies to to attract voters 

1214
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:47,320
again. 
Not you need. 

1215
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,320
You need to vote in such a way 
to create the strongest 

1216
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,000
opposition to the party you 
don't want if you don't want 

1217
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,360
reform. 
I mean, I wish Nigel Farage 

1218
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,720
would just disappear. 
Yeah, Richard Tice also 

1219
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,920
disappear. 
Who's the other guy? 

1220
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,000
I forgot his name. 
The Asian bloke. 

1221
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,440
Manor Who you mean I? 
Can't remember his. 

1222
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:14,400
Name No. 
It kind of validates that being 

1223
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,320
a Reform member or voter doesn't
automatically make you racist. 

1224
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,960
Did he leave and then come back?
I can't remember. 

1225
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,880
Oh God, there's another guy. 
Who's the other guy that's 

1226
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,600
coming up? 
Rupert something. 

1227
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,760
Low. 
Rupert Low, he's come out of 

1228
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,320
nowhere. 
I don't know much about him but.

1229
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,160
But it's it's all that kind of 
protest vote on a certain side, 

1230
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,520
isn't it? 
It's that and now, you know, 

1231
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,480
when things get really bad, 
people go completely the other 

1232
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,360
way. 
And then they'll they'll, 

1233
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,560
they'll swing back. 
But yeah, just like politics in 

1234
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,240
this country is. 
It's a shit show. 

1235
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,080
Is a complete shit show, isn't? 
It it's absolute shit show. 

1236
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,560
I mean. 
And there seems to be no kind of

1237
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,920
honour in the politicians 
anymore. 

1238
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,120
No, there used to be a scan. 
I remember growing up if there 

1239
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,800
was a scandal. 
You'd have the the person 

1240
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,000
resigning with and then they'd 
do a press conference with their

1241
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,040
family on the doorstep. 
Go. 

1242
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,560
And I've really messed up here. 
I can only apologise to my party

1243
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,000
and my constituents. 
I've resigned. 

1244
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,880
Now you. 
It's almost impossible for 

1245
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,720
someone to resign. 
Yeah, no, I'm sorry I shot on 

1246
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,040
your desk, but there were 
reasons why I had to shit on 

1247
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:17,520
your. 
Desk. 

1248
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,080
And the clip, if I have offended
anybody then I do apologise. 

1249
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,200
Not like I'm really sorry. 
My actions were shit. 

1250
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,560
Yeah, literally. 
It's just kind of. 

1251
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,480
But there's so many, there's 
like so many big issues to vote 

1252
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,040
for. 
And again, when you're in it, 

1253
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,880
you're the big issue to. 
Use. 

1254
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,160
It's send, you know, but there's
like this illegal immigration 

1255
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,400
send billionaires. 
You know why we're not taxing so

1256
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,360
and. 
So why we're not taxing? 

1257
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,560
Well, we don't want them to 
leave the country because we're 

1258
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,600
taxing them too much. 
So I'd rather them stayed and 

1259
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,880
get taxed something. 
Why don't we hold an inquiry 

1260
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:55,200
into this? 
Yeah. 

1261
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,000
Oh God. 
Yeah, I'm not going to go down 

1262
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,800
that route, but. 
No, but there's like there's 

1263
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,440
just so many things going on and
you've got to try and pick the 

1264
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,480
best party that covers the bases
that you want covering. 

1265
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,560
Whilst, OK, they're going to 
ignore this, you know, there's 

1266
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,080
going to be people that are that
have massive issues with illegal

1267
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,640
immigration, Yeah, so they're 
going to be wanting to vote 

1268
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,280
reform. 
That'll be the thing that that's

1269
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,320
where I'm planting my flag. 
I want to vote for us. 

1270
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,560
It's on sense for us. 
It's sense. 

1271
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,960
So we ain't going reform so. 
And then they'll pick each the 

1272
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,080
kick you against each other. 
Yeah, it's. 

1273
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,840
Just it's a fucking. 
Nice. 

1274
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,160
It's really difficult, isn't it?
It's really difficult. 

1275
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,160
But soon this white paper comes 
out. 

1276
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,640
I can't wait. 
The better. 

1277
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,120
I can't wait just because it'll 
be over and done with and it'll 

1278
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,360
be OK. 
Good, Now we've got it. 

1279
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,720
Now we've got something to kick 
off about. 

1280
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,560
At the moment we're kind of 
kicking off about what we 

1281
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,880
think's coming. 
OK, we know it's coming, but we 

1282
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,680
don't actually have. 
That's the problem though, you 

1283
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,600
just sit there and you overthink
things the same and everything. 

1284
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,480
Unless you've got the facts, you
will sit there and your mind 

1285
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,200
will automatically try and piece
everything together. 

1286
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,640
And again, some of the stuff 
that seems horrendous, yeah, 

1287
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,040
because it's been leaked, there 
might be something else to kind 

1288
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,080
of solidify and back it up a 
little bit, make it less 

1289
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,400
horrendous. 
But we haven't seen it. 

1290
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,800
So at the moment, you know, but 
that's when I see, you know, the

1291
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:09,400
people in power and people like,
you know, Minister Gould, when 

1292
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,560
she sees all of these concerns 
coming out, there's no one 

1293
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,560
going, guys, I get it. 
Trust me. 

1294
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,240
There's a little bit coming 
that's going to make that feel a

1295
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,520
whole lot less shit. 
No one's doing that. 

1296
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,400
So I'm like. 
So does that mean this is it 

1297
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,920
and? 
Sometimes you just want somebody

1298
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,360
to be straight talking. 
Even if it's bad? 

1299
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,160
Yeah. 
Even if it's shit news. 

1300
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,000
Yeah, just give us the shit 
news. 

1301
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,840
Yeah. 
So we could kind of. 

1302
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,760
Don't try and flower. 
Up. 

1303
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,600
No, just just like the 
expectations and let us know 

1304
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:39,640
it's going to be fucking 
terrible. 

1305
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,480
We can't do this because we 
simply do not have the budget or

1306
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,200
the money. 
Yeah. 

1307
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,960
So we're going to have to go 
down this route, guys. 

1308
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,920
Exactly. 
Let's give it a try. 

1309
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,480
And that exactly. 
And there might be like OK. 

1310
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Just get it, but then you've got
it in one conversation role and 

1311
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,160
this drip feed, drip feed, drip 
feed do. 

1312
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,920
You think it's done, the white 
paper? 

1313
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,760
Yeah, it is, isn't it? 
I think it's done. 

1314
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,680
This is this this like this just
looks very much like contain 

1315
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:04,600
control. 
Yeah. 

1316
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,880
Before we release it. 
Yeah, let's set the narrative. 

1317
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,480
Let's put things out there 
rather than just drop it. 

1318
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Yeah. 
I think it's done. 

1319
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,840
I think next week or the week 
after. 

1320
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,120
Yeah, I think by the end of 
February we'll know. 

1321
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,520
Yeah, yeah. 
End of February. 

1322
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,360
Yeah. 
OK. 

1323
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,040
Yeah. 
Hopefully this will be the last 

1324
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,080
one. 
There's gonna be more leagues, 

1325
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,400
isn't there? 
Would you reckon? 

1326
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,800
Rachel, let us know. 
Tag us. 

1327
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:32,520
Let us know. 
All right, mate. 

1328
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,320
Thank you very much. 
No. 

1329
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,760
Problem at all. 
Glad ladies feeling better mate.

1330
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,360
Yeah, it's shit in it when 
they're like, just not 

1331
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,840
themselves. 
Yeah, it's not ideal. 

1332
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,280
They can't communicate that 
they're not feeling right, but 

1333
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:45,720
you just see it. 
No. 

1334
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,440
At least your other half sees it
before you do. 

1335
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Yeah, more of the case, yeah. 
How do you work the thermometer?

1336
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah of. 
The nose of the nose, right? 

1337
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,120
Thank you, mate. 
No problem guys talk to you. 

1338
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:56,920
See you soon. 
Bye.