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Hello mate, How? 
Are you doing? 

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I'm alright. 
How are you? 

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Yeah, really good. 
Thanks. 

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Really good. 
Good, got a guest on today. 

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We have indeed. 
We have indeed. 

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Out of Parkinson. 
How you doing? 

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I'm very well. 
Thank you. 

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Thanks so much for having me on.
Absolute pleasure, absolute 

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pleasure. 
We were just saying off air 

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you've you've had a busy start 
to the week. 

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Well, SAT's week have started. 
I posted on Friday. 

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My son for some reason just 
refused to put his uniform on on

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Friday. 
So he went to school in his 

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pyjamas. 
My dad took him Friday, so I had

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the task to try and get his 
uniform on him this morning. 

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But you know what, it's like 
that you can't force it. 

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You don't need to have like a 
real bad relationship with it. 

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So it kind of just bided my time
this morning and what we've 

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started to do is show pictures 
of stuff to my son. 

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So like yesterday, for example, 
he doesn't like to put clothes 

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on a lot of the time, so we 
showed him a pic. 

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There's a new popeye's chicken 
restaurant opened right near us.

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And I'll have to say I'm not 
looking for sponsorship, but 

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class. 
If you've not been Popeyes, it 

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is class. 
I've not been here. 

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I'm excited. 
Honestly, it's unreal and I 

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won't tell you how much I spent 
because I was a little bit hung 

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over yesterday as well, but it 
was a lot. 

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More than you normally would 
have, yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, it was too much. 
We had I had to doggy bag some 

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of it, which she's not like me. 
And I've shown him like the 

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chicken shop and then he got 
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So this morning I was like 
showing him, you know, his 

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school and his friends, like on 
Dojo, like, oh, come on. 

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And then he finally just kind of
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let's do it. 
So that was a success. 

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But yes, with SAT's week 
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starting to appear, the paddling
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It's just all, it's all all go 
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Yeah. 
Yeah, I recognise that. 

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Mate, that's awesome. 
Sorry, this has nothing to do 

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with anything we're going to be 
talking about. 

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Is Popeye's chicken better than 
KFC then? 

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Yeah, And. 
And what? 

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Do you know, I, I feel, I feel 
tremendously guilty because KFC 

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has been there for me through a 
lot of my life. 

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The the relationship you have 
with the Colonel, it's a special

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relationship. 
It absolutely is, and the herbs 

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and spices will. 
The herbs and spices will never 

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leave me. 
But I don't know whether, I 

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mean, I used to. 
It was like a running joke that 

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I used to have KFC an awful lot.
Obviously you can see me on 

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camera. 
It won't come as such a shock, 

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but it's a no. 
I think Popeyes is, yeah. 

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It's the new kid on the street. 
It's it's fresh. 

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It's. 
There's one in Birmingham New 

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Street, when we've been going to
London there's one in there, 

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isn't there? 
There is, yeah. 

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They're starting to pop up, 
aren't they? 

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They are no pun intended there, 
no. 

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No pun intended there. 
No pun. 

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Intended. 
So obviously there's kind of 

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there's two sides to this. 
There's obviously you as a dad, 

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but then obviously there's 
there's the podcast and all the 

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stuff you do with your brother 
as well. 

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So I think it'd be interesting 
to talk about both. 

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Should we talk about you as a 
dad first? 

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Tell us about your life, your 
kids. 

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Yeah, so you know, if, if no 
one, if people are listening and

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they don't follow me, you know, 
I'm 37, I've got two children. 

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I've got a 10 year old daughter 
recently turned 10, my daughter 

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Isla. 
And then I've obviously got my 7

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year old autistic lad Max. 
And it's just, it's, it's been a

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bit of a crazy journey because 
obviously Max was born in 2019, 

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so he wasn't one when like we 
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So it was all a bit, you know, 
we kind of started noticing 

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things. 
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whenever I'm talking about my 
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of life as a parent is just a 
huge shout out to my wife 

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because, you know, I don't know 
if you find this, it's like you 

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constantly. 
I don't know whether I was 

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constantly expecting things to 
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And I was like, you know, when I
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could be autistic and, and I was
like, no, no, because I didn't 

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speak when I was a youngster. 
I didn't speak for a long time. 

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And then I was diagnosed with 
ADHD when I was in primary 

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school. 
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no, no, because up until like 
lockdown, he was hitting all 

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these milestones. 
It was all, you know, it was all

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going well. 
My daughter was like, you know, 

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when she was growing up, she was
hitting all of her kind of 

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targets dead early. 
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oh, no, he'll get there. 
You know, he'll, he'll get 

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there. 
It'll, it'll, the penny will 

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drop. 
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was kind of the head of the game
with it all. 

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And you know, she did all the 
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the, the stuff that some people 
don't see if you don't have 

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neurodivergent children is, and 
it's the real kind of the slog 

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of it, isn't it? 
To really start the, the cogs 

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turning in. 
And my wife, I give nothing but 

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massive credit to my wife. 
And, and I think it took me a 

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long time to maybe just accept 
the situation that we were that 

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we were faced with. 
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of UPS, downs and everything in 
between of being an autism dad, 

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it was, I think, you know, I've 
spoken about this before. 

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It's like you kind of you have 
the right to mourn the life you 

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thought you were going to have. 
Like, you know, when I found out

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I was having a lad, as you can 
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my daughter just she's just 
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it. 
She is like your typical girly 

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girl. 
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I was having a lad, I was 
thinking, oh, you know, rugby, 

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football going to be going and 
what name is going to be doing 

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this? 
He's going to be doing that. 

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And then obviously as time's 
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different stuff, you know, as, 
as as many parents do and it 

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just hasn't kind of worked out. 
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situation that he enjoys. 
So I've kind of just, and it 

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was, it's funny with like social
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about my kids at all. 
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picture or something like that. 
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So I mean, I'm giving my wife 
nothing but props. 

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She she recorded like 5 seconds 
of me on an aeroplane about 3 

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years ago where my son was 
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the plane back from holiday. 
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It was nearly flight and I 
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And I mean, my lad's quite a 
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He's a big boy and I was, and I 
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aisle. 
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the time, she just got like a 
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rocking him to sleep on this 
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And then she said to me, she 
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should try and post more. 
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there's a big support network 
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is the mums, the amazing mums 
that, that, that share tips and 

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tricks and share their sort of 
journeys and shed. 

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I think it'd be really good if 
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dad's point of view. 
And I posted that video not 

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thinking anything of it. 
And then it was like overnight 

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millions of views and comments 
and, you know, and then and it 

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actually helped me. 
It actually helped me sort of 

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understand that I wasn't alone. 
You know, it's like yourselves 

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that the conversations you have 
on this podcast, you probably 

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don't realise how much it's 
helping other people. 

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And I feel like when, when you 
get those messages, you don't 

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quite understand the kind of 
impact you're having. 

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And I think that's been a 
massive help to me personally, 

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especially when I've had like, 
you know, because you have down 

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days, Don't you have days where 
you're literally like, what the,

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what is my son going to be like 
in 10 years? 

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Is he going to ever have a 
girlfriend? 

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Is he going to get invited to 
parties? 

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Is he going to ever play for a 
football team? 

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I have those thoughts in my head
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And I always think like, he 
turned 7 recently. 

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So in March, he turned 7. 
And obviously he didn't, he 

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didn't have a party as such 
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you know, we don't really know 
any of his friends or his 

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classmates and stuff. 
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do his favourite things, whether
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just like playing in the garden 
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And then the people who is most,
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most that he has the best 
relationship with IE my parents,

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a couple of my really close 
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And yeah, so it's, it's a crazy 
journey in it. 

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And I love the quote where it's 
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expected, but I love my tour 
guide. 

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I think that's just kind of what
sums up for me because he amazes

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me constantly. 
And I think, you know, and, and,

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and arm in arm with that is just
what an amazing sister. 

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You know, my daughter is too, my
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She recently won an award and 
inclusion awards night for like 

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the heart of gold award for 
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brother and stuff. 
So it's led to some amazing 

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things, some amazing sort of 
messages and hope really. 

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Yeah, sorry. 
Can I go on there? 

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Mate, no, no, no, you did. 
But we wanted, we wanted you to.

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It's good. 
The thing that keeps coming up, 

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again, mum's props to mum's 
doing all of the graft, 

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especially early on. 
Like it's just such a common 

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thing and and dad's to kind of 
lag behind a little bit. 

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But the other thing you just 
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they just kind of take up the 
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structure for their siblings 
with no training, nothing. 

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They just get it because they 
live with it, don't they? 

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And they just, they're so good 
at it. 

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And she got an award for it. 
She got, I know she got an award

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for it. 
No awards for me or my old mum, 

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but but you know, being there 
and and watching that was, was 

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such an amazing moment. 
There was 2 girls, you know, our

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autism every day. 
Yeah, me and my three, I think 

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she used to be called and she, 
it was her daughter as well. 

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So we kind of met up and we got 
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And it's always amazing when you
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similar sort of situation in 
yourselves. 

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But I completely agree. 
I mean, you know, my daughter, I

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always, I'm constantly worried 
about my daughter because being 

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the type of girl she is, I know 
she would love nothing more than

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to have a 7 year old brother who
could talk, who could play games

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with her, who could follow her 
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But he doesn't he, he marches to
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time. 
So she has to kind of get on to 

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his level. 
And it's difficult because she's

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only 10 and you know, there's an
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where, and I always remember she
got this like Barbie Dream House

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when she was like 5 or 6 and, 
and she said it all up lovely 

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and was ready to play. 
And then Max just came over and 

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just absolutely just destroyed 
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Like honestly, it was like 
witnessing me at Popeyes 

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yesterday. 
It was destroyed. 

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And, and it said those times 
where you can tell she's upset, 

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she don't want to show she's 
upset. 

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So like this. 
And we, one thing we do that's 

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important is we try and give her
her own time and stuff. 

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You know, one of us will take 
her somewhere, whether it's a 

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music thing or a concert or even
just a cinema, just to get 

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because it's crucial that she 
has a bit of a break because 

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it's, as you're well aware, 
it's, it's, it's such a full 

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time job. 
And especially when likely don't

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sleep, like my son is not a 
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It's just trying to manage the 

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different points of time where 
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I always say that you can just 
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You can never rest and think 
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school every day and I was 
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been able to do the last few 
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sure. 
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it's always props to the to the 
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early kind of spotting of what 
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needs my son might have. 
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you know, she's, I always say 
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blueprint of, to how to navigate
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And I've just kind of slowly but
surely got there. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
No, I totally get that. 

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And, and again, you touched upon
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you thought you were going to 
have. 

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But I mean, what's something 

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else about raising an autistic 
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understands until they live it 
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I always find it when you know 
if you if, if you have like some

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of my close friends that they're
brilliant and they do like 

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school pick ups and stuff like 
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jobs are a little bit more free 
in terms of timing. 

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So they could, you know, if 
we're really struggling, like my

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dad had a knee replacement 
recently. 

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My dad picks Max up like every 
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But if my dad, you know, my dad 
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text one of my mates and be like
lads, any chance? 

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And I think what they noticed 
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people, you know, obviously I 
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I like to post positivity. 
I like to give people, you know,

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on my social media, if I ever 
post something where it's been a

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difficult or tricky time, it'll 
be me talking because I always 

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think I would never want to post
a video of my son, like having a

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meltdown or a picture of him 
upset. 

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I don't think people need to see
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But I do think people, you know,
people who follow for the the 

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send parent kind of times, they 
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they'll also love the honesty of
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it's been a really tough day. 
It's been a really tough week. 

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I mean, Christmas was really 
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the toughest Christmas we've had
through lack of sleep and 

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through kind of the Christmas 
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He'd never, my son had never 
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Christmas tree before, but he 
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had was smashing. 
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thought like, what, what are we 
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think now it's like things could
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It could, you know, he could 
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baubles, but he's not like, 
let's tidy up, let's crack on. 

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And I think, you know what, what
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is how the small little wins, 
which I always talk about like 

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how every send parent should 
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whether it's, you know, even 
like my son put in his uniform 

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on this morning was I was so 
buzzing. 

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I was just like, yes, like, 
thank God he's done that. 

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And I don't think people 
understand people might see that

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and be like, what? 
They got the kid dressed like, 

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how's that a big thing? 
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probably the biggest difference.
And that's, that might be just 

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the case of people, you know, 
with neurotypical children, just

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that's the expectation. 
That's just the norm. 

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it's there is no norm. 
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Every day is completely wild. 
It's like you said then about 

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where your mates have kind of 
realised that this, this life is

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non-stop. 
It's almost sometimes it takes 

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someone from outside your circle
to go, Oh yeah, mate, this is 

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non-stop because that is just 
your life. 

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You're so used to that being the
norm. 

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Like you were just saying then 
like sometimes I'll say to my 

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mates, they'll be like, can can 
you do this? 

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There's no, because I've got to 
do this and because of this, 

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I've got to do this, this and 
this with them. 

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And, and all of a sudden they're
like, sorry, what? 

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And you're like, Oh yeah, I've 
got to do this kind of list of 

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things and they're like, that's 
mental. 

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And then I'm like, yeah, it is. 
Oh, yeah, it is. 

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It is quite mental, isn't it? 
Like, yeah, but it just becomes 

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our norm. 
And, and The thing is, like you 

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just said then like, you know, 
you're trying to be positive and

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you're trying to put a positive 
spin. 

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Even when bad things happen, 
sometimes all you need to do is 

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have a conversation with another
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go, alright, yeah, my day wasn't
actually that bad because it's 

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all, it's all relative. 
But still, you know. 

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And I think that's the that's 
one of the real positives. 

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Like social media is, you know, 
it's one of the other, isn't it?

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It can be. 
It can be both. 

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Yeah. 
And then you can have, I mean, 

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I've had some, I've had some 
crazy comments on my social 

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media, which I think years ago 
would have really upset me. 

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And I've not, you know, I'm not 
known from our patients. 

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I'm not saying I've got a short 
fuse, but, you know, someone 

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pushed in front of me at Popeyes
yesterday. 

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They were nearly wearing the 
Louisiana gravy. 

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And you're hungover. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But it's like when you, you 
know, if you post something or a

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clip or whatever it may be, and 
then you get people commenting 

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on it and like you said, sharing
their day. 

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And like I might say, like, you 
know, if round Christmas really,

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I posted about, you know, my son
stayed up till 3, three in the 

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morning and then was up at 6. 
And, you know, basically myself 

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and my wife were taking it in 
shifts to try and catch up on a 

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little bit of sleep. 
And then someone will comment 

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going like, yeah, my son's been 
awake for 23 hours straight. 

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And I'm just like, right, OK, 
you know, take it, take it with 

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a like, that's OK. 
Like I'll I'll take the three 

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hours Kip. 
Yeah, it doesn't take, it 

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doesn't take away from your 
experience, but it's still you 

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kind of go, yeah, OK. 
But autism Top Trump's is 

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amazing though. 
Isn't it? 

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Oh, top Trump's on on top. 
Trump's and autism is. 

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Amazing autism top chomps on 
Instagram. 

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It's awesome. 
It's one of those things that 

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when someone says they've been 
to Tenerife and you've been to 

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11 a reef, it's like. 
Yeah. 

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Do you know what though? 
It's kind of helped me in like, 

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like some of Thomas's behaviours
that I used to really, really 

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struggle with the kind of the 
more, the more violent stuff 

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used to really bother me. 
And I think the day before 

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yesterday we had one. 
It came out of nowhere and I 

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handled it so much better 
because of because of this 

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community we've built and all 
the stories and things that 

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people share. 
As I'm going around and I'm 

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thinking, I'm thinking a few 
years ago this would have broke 

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me. 
But because of all the stories 

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and all the families that are 
going through far worse, I found

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myself actually responding 
better for his sake as well. 

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So instead of what I would 
normally do, I'm getting down on

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my knees and I'm getting eye 
contact with him and I'm slowly 

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going through it and I'm 
thinking, OK, I wish I'd done 

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this three or four years ago 
because it it, it kind of when 

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you, when you start seeing it 
that way, you actually do 

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respond to situations better. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah. 
It's, it's just like every day 

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is a learning day, isn't it? 
And you can, you can do 

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something 10 times, it can work 
9. 

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But then suddenly out of 
nowhere, you don't see it 

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coming. 
And then, you know, I think I've

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got to the point now where I I 
just buzz off my son like just 

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the way he is, the way, the way 
he's like says the odd little 

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word. 
And like yesterday, I keep 

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thinking and bringing up Popeyes
too much. 

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And the people are going to be 
thinking I'm after that 

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sponsorship and they. 
Could be right even if even if 

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you're not after it, if you get 
1. 

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But we're in, we're in Popeyes 
yesterday. 

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And, and you'll know this, it's 
like when when your when your 

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child builds something or says 
something that they've never 

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done before, the feeling you get
is just like the most amount of 

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joy like you can feel. 
As a parent and it was like we 

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sat there and he was clearly 
starving and we'd, we'd, we'd, 

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I'd got him, I'd got him loads 
of tenders and then he, he was 

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dipping one of his tenders in 
the ketchup, right? 

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And he put it in his mouth and 
he chewed it and he swallowed 

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it. 
And I was like verdict. 

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And he went great outstanding 
like that. 

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I'd put him up right. 
I'd never in my life heard him 

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say that. 
And I was like, I was just, even

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though I was struggling a little
bit with a hangover, I was, 

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that's the greatest thing ever, 
like, and people must just be 

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like, why is this guy losing his
mind? 

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But it is, again, it's, it's, 
it's these little things, isn't 

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it, that that matter to us. 
And, and exactly as I said, you 

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know, if my, I had a kid, you 
have a kid that gets straight 

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A's in, in, in, in, in school, 
gets all of the GCS, ES. 

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And then my kid does something 
that anyone else would be like, 

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well, he just put his nappy in 
the bin. 

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That was amazing. 
I didn't even teach him to do 

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that. 
He's just going to put his nappy

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in the bin. 
I mean, not only have I got a 7 

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year old in a nappy, which you 
know, that comes up, but he's 

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putting his nappy in the bin and
they're like, why are you so 

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excited? 
I'm like, you just don't get it 

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and you never will. 
Tiny victories. 

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Yeah. 
Tiny victories. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, going back to Dad's 

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then, do you, do you think Dad 
and the send world are kind of 

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overlooked emotionally or? 
I think it's difficult. 

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I wouldn't, I don't think I'd be
qualified to comment. 

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I'd like to think that things 
are getting better, think people

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are opening up more, you know, 
channels like yourself, you 

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know, my socials posting, you've
got, you know, these sort of 

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Trail Blazers like your James 
Hunt's and and people like that.

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And I think a lot of people are,
you know, maybe, maybe there was

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like a, an embarrassed feeling 
from certain lads and dads who, 

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who didn't think it was. 
But then you've got like, you 

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know, I think is it Paul Mullen 
at Rexit or former Rexon player 

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Tom Aspen or the UFC fighter? 
So, and they're sharing openly 

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about Paul. 
Scholes. 

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Yeah. 
Pardon. 

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Paul Scholes. 
Oh yes, Paul Scholes. 

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Exactly like Paul Scholes, I 
hadn't realised he had an 

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autistic son. 
I did actually see him in an 

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airport with his son and 
obviously could see the son had 

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needs, but I didn't know 
anything about him. 

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And, and obviously, you know, 
he's opened up a lot more and I 

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think that's probably helping 
him. 

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And, and when you see someone 
who, you know, was, I mean, I'm 

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a big United fan. 
So Paul Scholes was, you know, 

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an absolute idol and to see him 
be so roaring to share and be so

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honest, I think it's opening, 
opening the door for a lot more 

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blokes. 
And I think it's really 

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important. 
And, you know, and that's not 

441
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,480
taken away from any of the 
amazing mums and the, the work 

442
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,200
and the advocacy that they're 
doing. 

443
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,280
I just think it's important that
we obviously have both sides. 

444
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,560
And that's obviously what I, I 
try and do and yourselves try 

445
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,600
and do to give, to give like men
a platform because we know that 

446
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,960
men's mental health. 
I'm open and honest to say that 

447
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,760
I really did have some down days
and still do have a lot of down 

448
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,520
days. 
And a lot of that can be due to 

449
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,000
tiredness. 
It can be due to the stress of 

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680
just not knowing. 
It's more the unknown, isn't it?

451
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,760
Because you just don't know. 
I mean, our daughter was just a 

452
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,520
dream. 
Like was, was the EI Don't know,

453
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,840
I'd say it, but it was the 
easiest thing to, to raise her 

454
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,240
for the first 3-4 years. 
Then obviously my lad comes 

455
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,320
along. 
It's just like, you know, just 

456
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,560
like it's like a scene out of 
Twister. 

457
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,040
I was like, I was flying fast at
one point. 

458
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,560
I was like, what's going on 
here? 

459
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,040
You thought this was going to be
easy, did you? 

460
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,680
I know, here we go, hold my 
beer. 

461
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,360
Hold my beer, I'm on my way. 
But it's right though, isn't it?

462
00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:14,960
It's, it's overwhelming. 
There's no escape. 

463
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,760
There's no kind of a way of kind
of avoiding. 

464
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,000
It takes over your entire life. 
Every ounce of your DNA is kind 

465
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,840
of sunk into it as well. 
And I think from a bloke's point

466
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,440
of view, like you said before, 
is having those people that you 

467
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,440
can relate to, whether it's in 
sport, music or whoever the case

468
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,760
is. 
Whereas, you know, men being 

469
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,080
men, sometimes we don't want to 
have clinicians talking at us 

470
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,920
going too deep. 
We just want to have a bloke 

471
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,960
that we recognise who says it as
it is and we go, oh, you've just

472
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,960
said, well I need to hear in 
like 15 seconds rather than 15 

473
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,680
minutes, right, OK, no problem 
at all. 

474
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,800
I can start to relate and have 
that conversation. 

475
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,800
Yeah, it's, it's, it's almost 
given permission, doesn't it? 

476
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,640
It's like, it's not that men, 
it's not that people didn't want

477
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,560
to listen to men. 
It's that no one knew men wanted

478
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,400
to talk in the 1st place. 
So it, it's just that we've all 

479
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,280
been sitting here being quiet 
and then slowly bit shortly like

480
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,520
like James, I think it was James
Hunt must have been that first 

481
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,720
video that I ever saw with his, 
with his lad. 

482
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,360
I think Jude was in the pool, 
wasn't he in his, in his dad, 

483
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,920
who suddenly passed away now 
came over and that little 

484
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,680
connection they had that was 
like the impetus for a lot of 

485
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,960
people to go. 
Oh, I, I do want to share my 

486
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,760
story actually. 
So like, I think James for me 

487
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,320
and a lot of people was that and
it's just kind of spread out now

488
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,720
and and like the, you know, 
we're doing it. 

489
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,320
You're doing it, Jamie Jewett's 
doing it. 

490
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,840
And then obviously with all the 
other people you've just 

491
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560
mentioned them are Paul's gold. 
So yeah, it was almost 

492
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,320
permission. 
It was like it was almost, we 

493
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,440
were just waiting for permission
to be able to share it. 

494
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,920
And I'm so glad that people are 
getting more and more confident,

495
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,240
too, isn't it? 
Because again, it's just helping

496
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,320
more and more people. 
Yeah, and I think that the, you 

497
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,760
know, the whole kind of 
community online, like we talked

498
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,320
about before, I mean social 
media can be a little bit of a 

499
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,480
of a the Wild West. 
You know, it can be so positive,

500
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600
so amazing. 
It can also have and I think if 

501
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,480
you've just got that because 
what I love, well, I say I love.

502
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,680
I don't love it because it's 
always like a vile comment. 

503
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,840
But when when someone makes that
initial like horrible comment, 

504
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,200
the people who jump on them, you
don't have to do anything. 

505
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,960
I just sit back now and just 
enjoy the fact of life, right? 

506
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Well, they've just made a 
mistake because now there's like

507
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,800
20 people absolutely jumping on 
them. 

508
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,760
I mean, I think. 
It's like it's like the Wizard 

509
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,560
of Oz, isn't it? 
You just that scene which goes 

510
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,440
flying my pretties and they just
go and they just that's it. 

511
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,080
We'll comment here now. 
Yeah, I think the, the worst one

512
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:39,040
that I had, I'd say it always 
sticks out in my head, was when 

513
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,400
my son got his official 
diagnosis, my wife wanted to not

514
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,080
like throw a party, but she 
wanted to do something nice on 

515
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,480
that day to make it a really 
special memory for Max and for 

516
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,440
my daughter. 
So we got like, you know, nice 

517
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,120
food and we got him like a 
little gift. 

518
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,520
And it was just like a, and a 
celebration of basically all my 

519
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,000
wife's hard work to get to that 
position. 

520
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,120
And someone commented on it 
saying, like, why are you 

521
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,640
celebrating this? 
It's like celebrating your kid 

522
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
having cancer. 
And I remember seeing it and 

523
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:16,160
being like, how can someone be 
so heartless and so uneducated 

524
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:22,200
and basically horrendous? 
And then they got so much like 

525
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,960
abuse back that they ended up 
just deleting the comment. 

526
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,280
And I was just like, I just 
don't need to worry about stuff 

527
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,080
like that. 
I mean, I know I spoke to James 

528
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,640
Hunt about this when he was on 
our podcast and he he was 

529
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760
basically saying that he 
doesn't, he tries to delete him 

530
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480
like because he doesn't want 
anyone else to see those 

531
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,960
comments. 
And I understand that. 

532
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:49,320
But then I also think that, you 
know, trolls will get found out,

533
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,120
like trolls will just they're 
not smart enough to say anything

534
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:55,720
clever. 
Whatever they're trying to say 

535
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,000
is just hurtful, false and 
basically just vile. 

536
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,880
And it used to bother me well, 
more than it than it does now. 

537
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,880
I mean, I'll, I'll see a couple 
of comments here that even if 

538
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,280
it's just on like a, a personal 
clip of me. 

539
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,560
Do you know, I had the other 
day, right? 

540
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,560
I shared this on the podcast. 
I posted a picture of myself in 

541
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,840
the garden, right? 
So my wife had took the kids to 

542
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,280
to see her family in Birmingham 
and I'd stayed home sorting a 

543
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560
few things out and I've gone out
for a few drinks with one of my 

544
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,360
friends and I posted a picture 
of some was some was beautiful. 

545
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,000
And I posted a picture with a 
bottle of beer. 

546
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,440
And I just put like happy 
Saturday, right? 

547
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Just just just an honest. 
Pretty innocuous, yeah, Yeah. 

548
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,880
Yeah, who's it? 
Who's it annoying and someone 

549
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,760
currently going you're like a 
chubby Tommy Robinson, right? 

550
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,000
That that that was what there. 
That was what the comment was 

551
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,840
and I was like, I don't like the
fact that you 2 are both loving.

552
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,360
No, no. 
But I'd say that that'd be that 

553
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,400
just sounds like the kind of 
things one of your mates would 

554
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,480
say, right? 
Dick head. 

555
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,000
Look, a chubby Tommy Robinson. 
Was he actually trying to be 

556
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400
offensive? 
Honestly, the first person I 

557
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,360
knew, I shared it with my 
brother. 

558
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,000
I said my brother's going to 
love this. 

559
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,520
And he's and he he just it, it 
normally sends a thumb up emoji.

560
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,600
I think he sent three of them. 
That's how much he approved to 

561
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,240
comment. 
But you know, stuff, stuff like 

562
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920
that's not too bad. 
And I remember there was a. 

563
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Bang goes to Popeyes in 
endorsement. 

564
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,360
Yeah, that's it. 
Yeah. 

565
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Probably put me off getting 
more. 

566
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,280
But I we, there was a there was 
one like I used to get like, you

567
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,480
know, I still got a lot of 
weight. 

568
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,840
Shouts and there was a clip of 
me and my brother on Now my 

569
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
brother's lost loads of weight. 
He's kind of put me to shame. 

570
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,560
My brother's in great nick now. 
But me and my brother were on 

571
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,720
We're in London with Michael 
Ball on Radio 2 I think it was. 

572
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,440
And it was when we were 
promoting something and we did 

573
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,840
this. 
There was this clip and it was 

574
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,000
going quite well on the socials.
And then someone commented going

575
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,160
this is so unfunny. 
That's what happens when you put

576
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,400
3 fat bastards in a room 
together. 

577
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,720
What? 
Listen, say what you want about 

578
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,880
me and my brother, but leave 
Michael Ball. 

579
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,720
Alone, he's a legend. 
Yeah. 

580
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,760
I mean, I've got better with 
comments. 

581
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560
I think I used to get in there 
and try and be all high and 

582
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,400
mighty and, like, win, do you 
know what I mean? 

583
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,680
Like I want to win this but then
if like you've just said then 

584
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,240
you find that the more people 
jump in, what I do feel is that 

585
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,880
whatever interaction they have 
on ours, I want them to have a 

586
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,400
-1. 
Not because people are going to 

587
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,400
slag them off or give them shit,
but just make them wish they'd 

588
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,160
never made that comment in the 
1st place so that they don't 

589
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,120
then go on and do the same on 
someone else's. 

590
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,480
Because usually these people get
to go around say all this shit 

591
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
because let's be honest, they 
are probably having a hard time 

592
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,960
in their own life like bullies 
do at school. 

593
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,880
And they just go around dropping
this shit left, right and centre

594
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,920
because it makes them feel 
better, because their life is 

595
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,880
probably quite shit. 
I just want them to not do that.

596
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,880
So, but it's hard. 
It's really hard keeping your 

597
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,920
mouth shut, especially when 
they're really stupid. 

598
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,640
You're not. 
I could, I could win this so 

599
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,600
easy. 
But you're all right. 

600
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Just stay away. 
Just. 

601
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,760
Stay off your phone. 
Just have to cool yourself down.

602
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Take a breather, yeah? 
I'm still very much let's find 

603
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,440
out where they live and stick in
the back of a car and we'll go 

604
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,720
for a drive so. 
We've got we've got this, we've 

605
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,720
got this little WhatsApp group 
with any of the lads that have 

606
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760
been on the podcast. 
And sometimes if we'll just like

607
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,960
screenshot something and 
sometimes it's meant to be 

608
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
offensive, but it's still quite 
funny. 

609
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,520
Like you'd be like, ah, clear 
play. 

610
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360
That's that's quite good. 
So you screenshot, drop it in 

611
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,360
and the lads are like, right, 
where's this comment? 

612
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,920
Where is it? 
Let's get it. 

613
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Go on, let's go. 
And if you tell them it's not 20

614
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,760
lads and we're flooded into it. 
It's all dads of autistic. 

615
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,200
Kids, all dads of autistic 
children going. 

616
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,120
I love it. 
It's not it's not a group of 

617
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,800
dads you'd what I'll be messing 
with either. 

618
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,280
It's lack of clean, lack of page
act ready to go. 

619
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,640
Yeah, like this lot, there's 
like such a mix of issues that 

620
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,520
they have to deal with. 
It's like it's, it's not all 

621
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,360
sleep, it's no, it's not all 
aggression. 

622
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960
It's just a mad mix of all sorts
of mental shit. 

623
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,840
So basically what would happen 
like with your comment there 

624
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,400
about being a fat Tommy Robinson
is they go, that's really awful,

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,280
That's really awful. 
We'll find out who the person is

626
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,640
and you know, whatever it is and
we'll we'll give it back to 

627
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,040
them. 
And then the next comment they 

628
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,920
take that, they go on like 
ChatGPT and create an image of 

629
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,640
you looking like Tommy Robinson 
or something like that and then 

630
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
start joining in taking the piss
out of you as well. 

631
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,120
So it's a two way thing. 
It's like, how dare they say 

632
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:32,520
that to you? 
But it's quite funny. 

633
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,520
And we're going to join in. 
Yeah. 

634
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,120
Yeah, yeah. 
As long as it's, as long as 

635
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,800
it's. 
I mean that one, I mean, you 

636
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,120
know, if there's one person that
I don't ever want to be compared

637
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,600
to is him, but also, you know, 
and then there's a little weight

638
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,400
job in there as well. 
I can deal with that, that 

639
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840
that's like, you know what, 
that's funny. 

640
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,240
It made my brother laugh, 
whatever. 

641
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,800
And it was also Adm so no one in
public eye saw it, but I was 

642
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,680
happy to share. 
But yeah, I used to. 

643
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,160
I turn those comments like if 
ever I see one that's really 

644
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,400
that, I just think it's really 
poor. 

645
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,840
Like I'll I'll make a separate 
video and I'll blank the name 

646
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,640
out so they won't. 
Get dogs or whatever it's 

647
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:12,600
called. 
Yeah, exactly. 

648
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,920
I don't want people like I don't
want them to get the attention, 

649
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,120
but I also want to highlight the
lack of education with some of 

650
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,160
these comments and these people.
But I do find a lot of them are 

651
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,720
from America. 
It's always on Facebook. 

652
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,200
My old comments are always on 
Facebook. 

653
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Yeah, Facebook's a cesspit. 
Have you have you have the if 

654
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,720
you disciplined your child more,
that wouldn't be like this or 

655
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,720
it's down to bad parenting. 
It's the we have like a bingo 

656
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,200
card of just phrases. 
Yeah, that teacher, that teacher

657
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,120
said once. 
Oh yeah, one of them was from a 

658
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,280
a teacher as well in the UK who 
apparently looks after send 

659
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,680
children on a newspaper article 
where over the summer when they 

660
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,160
were like digging out autism 
families because obviously 

661
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600
there's no money for potholes 
anymore because autistic 

662
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,480
children eat all the money they 
they've joined in and would like

663
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
yeah, it's bad parenting. 
I can tell you right now it's 

664
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,000
bad parenting and lack of 
discipline. 

665
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,159
And I was like, Oh my God, it's 
a teacher. 

666
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,800
I mean, honestly, that that that
gives that'll give teachers a 

667
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,480
bad Rep and. 
I'm I'm telling it. 

668
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,840
Like I'm cheering teachers in 
TAS all the time. 

669
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,960
But yeah, it's, it's, I mean, 
some of the some of the, I 

670
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,880
remember getting, I got Adm once
and it was like you're it was 

671
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,760
definitely from America because 
they use the word, what do they 

672
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,800
use instead of nappies? 
What do they call them? 

673
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,280
Diapers. 
Diapers. 

674
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:35,960
That was it. 
Yeah. 

675
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,199
So it was like, your son is far 
too old for diapers. 

676
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,760
Keep being a shit dad. 
You see next Tuesday. 

677
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,440
And I was just like, whoa, I 
remember, you know, I was at a 

678
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,040
pub watching football and I was 
like, whoa. 

679
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,560
And then I was like 5 pints deep
and I was thinking, should I go 

680
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,159
back here and just absolutely 
destroy him? 

681
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,360
But then I thought, oh, no, just
delete and block. 

682
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,920
Like I'll just, I'll get rid of 
that one. 

683
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,720
But yes, it it's when they when 
they do Adm. 

684
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,840
So it's not even like they were 
doing it for everyone else's 

685
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,320
sake. 
It's like, no, I just want you 

686
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,920
to see this. 
I know what I'll do today. 

687
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,880
Just for you, I'll send Adm. 
To somebody, that's what I'll 

688
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,600
do. 
Like what? 

689
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,160
What I know it's. 
Just like surely you've got 

690
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560
better things to do. 
But that's it, isn't it? 

691
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
They haven't. 
They haven't because it's so 

692
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,040
sad. 
You must be the same as me like 

693
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,880
on social media, right? 
If I you know, there's, there's 

694
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,600
quite a few people I follow and,
and I, I don't really like the 

695
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,480
content. 
I even follow them for just 

696
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,080
because I know them or whatever 
and I don't like the content. 

697
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,520
I just will scroll past. 
Like if it's, say, if it's like 

698
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,480
a comedian and they post a clip 
and I don't find it funny, I'll 

699
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,120
just scroll past. 
Yeah, you don't feel the need to

700
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,360
go you. 
Fell off. 

701
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,640
You look like a fat. 
There's like, there's like AI 

702
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,400
know it gets thrown around a 
lot, but there's like a, there's

703
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,680
a level of like narcissism to 
this where like, right, I guess 

704
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,800
everybody wants to know what I 
think about this. 

705
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,440
So I better get in there and and
let everyone know because 

706
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,360
they're all going to care. 
Like no one gives a shit, mate. 

707
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,800
Why do you think? 
And I think they go, I mean, 

708
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800
we've done it before when we've 
seen some comments that get 

709
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000
dropped and then you can kind of
follow on and see all the other 

710
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960
stuff they've commented. 
They're like all they're doing. 

711
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,320
All day long. 
All, all they're doing is like 

712
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,200
commenting on shit all day and 
you're like, yeah, what's going 

713
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,360
on, lad? 
You. 

714
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,000
Are you all right? 
I I have got to the point now 

715
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,800
where I do, I do find it. 
I don't find the comments funny,

716
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,320
but I just find it funny that 
because I always just think 

717
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,600
like, God, how much of A loser 
do you have to be to just take 

718
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,920
your sort of negativity and just
I post it. 

719
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,600
I like right. 
I just don't get. 

720
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,840
It share it with the world. 
I talk about football fans like 

721
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,440
that, Like I'm a huge, huge 
football fan. 

722
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Like massive, you know, born and
bred Man United fan. 

723
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,440
I love the England national 
team. 

724
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,040
You know, I watch all the games,
friendlies and everything and I 

725
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120
but I just don't care about 
other people and what they 

726
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,200
support, who they support. 
Like, do you know what I mean? 

727
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,840
Like, for example, if I'm 
watching, even watching 

728
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Liverpool play, Liverpool, one 
of our biggest rivals, do I want

729
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,800
Liverpool to lose? 
Yeah. 

730
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,280
But if Liverpool win, am I going
to, like, be annoyed at 

731
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Liverpool fans for celebrating a
win? 

732
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Like, I don't, I just don't. 
I always think people who fight 

733
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:20,760
over football teams are the 
biggest gimps on this planet. 

734
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,480
I'll do you know what I mean? 
Like when? 

735
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,560
They I couldn't agree more. 
The gangs and like the hooligans

736
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,520
and grow up like go and support 
your team. 

737
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,040
I love the banter, like as long 
as it's in good spirit. 

738
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,000
Yeah, across, across the 
stadium, like exactly. 

739
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,760
That's, you know, chance. 
Funny stuff. 

740
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,240
As long as it's, you know, as 
long as it's OK and it's not 

741
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,360
really sort of. 
Crossing the line, yeah. 

742
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Yeah, exactly. 
I don't mind that. 

743
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,040
Like like a simple way and not 
make sense. 

744
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,480
If I'm like, yeah, I'm all for 
that. 

745
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,840
And then when the game's over, 
see you later, see you next 

746
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,280
week. 
Like I just. 

747
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,120
Yeah, the hooligan shit really 
always confused me because I'd 

748
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,520
be like if, if, Because it's 
like war, isn't it? 

749
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Like that's what they're 
treating it like? 

750
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,880
They're treating it like you're 
at war. 

751
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,920
You're like join the fucking 
army like. 

752
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,240
Yeah, you've got actually. 
Count people if you want. 

753
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,840
Aren't you a? 
Gretchen to good use. 

754
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Yeah, you can actually shoot 
people and it's basically legal.

755
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,560
I mean, go do that. 
If you don't wear a Millwall 

756
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,800
shirt under your army clothes, 
that's fine. 

757
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,320
Yeah, it's mental, right? 
So tell us a bit about obviously

758
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440
like the social, we've just been
talking about social media. 

759
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,160
Obviously the stuff that you and
your brother do is really cool. 

760
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,200
Can you, can you talk? 
So how did that all start? 

761
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Yeah. 
So yeah, it's been going for 

762
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,080
like 8 years now. 
So my brother, otherwise known 

763
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,760
as ICT, Mr P, my brother Lee. 
So he's the oldest and then 

764
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,280
we've got the middle brother, 
Ryan. 

765
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,480
And then I'm the youngest. 
I always say I'm the youngest 

766
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,080
and hungiest. 
I always like to get that in 

767
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:58,080
there. 
But then it helps me build. 

768
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,760
It helps me build morale. 
After Tommy Robinson. 

769
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040
So using that from now, I'm the 
youngest, I'm the youngest, I've

770
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,520
got a brother. 
I'm saying I'm the youngest. 

771
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240
And the hungry, Yeah. 
That's I did write it once on 

772
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,320
like my mum's birthday card and 
it didn't go down well. 

773
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,480
So just be careful with the use.
Yeah, just yeah. 

774
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,800
I'll I'll, I'll make sure I 
don't sign my mum's birthday 

775
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,480
cards or Mother's Day cards as 
the youngest and hungry. 

776
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,560
Yeah, so my brother was a full 
time teacher that kind of 

777
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,080
inspired me to start working in 
schools. 

778
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,160
I was kind of, you know what, 
roughly about 2122. 

779
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,480
I was in between jobs. 
I wasn't sure what I wanted to 

780
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,840
do. 
And then I kind of my brother 

781
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,320
brought me in to his school and 
I did some refereeing and things

782
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,040
like that. 
And I really enjoyed working 

783
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,120
with the children. 
So then I kind of built my own 

784
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,960
way there to get into a school. 
Then my brother has kind of like

785
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,880
built this social media platform
and he goes across the world 

786
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,880
really trying to help teachers 
and school staff with training 

787
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,200
with technology. 
He's got his own sort of Teach 

788
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Me AI, which help really helps 
teachers reduce workload, which 

789
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,320
is massively important, 
obviously in schools. 

790
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,160
And then we're on a family 
holiday. 2018, my dad's 

791
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,520
retirement, he, my dad had 
worked at the same place since 

792
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,280
he was like 15. 
So with his like retirement 

793
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,800
payout, he took the family to 
Florida, which is just testament

794
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,280
to the man. 
I mean, he is, he is seriously 

795
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,600
the, the, the goat. 
And we were there just kind of 

796
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,280
chilling by the pool and we were
sharing stories. 

797
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,560
And then my brother was like, 
oh, we should start a podcast. 

798
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,520
And I swear to God, I had no 
idea what a podcast was. 

799
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,240
I always say this, I had no 
idea. 

800
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,160
And then he was like, it's 
basically just radio. 

801
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Like you just record and I'm 
like, all right, yeah, cool. 

802
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,720
Didn't really think anything of 
it. 

803
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,320
We were sat in Buffalo Wild 
Wings in America. 

804
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Now, if you've if you've been to
America, have you been to 

805
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,480
America? 
I I used to live in Chicago when

806
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,280
I was a. 
Kid oh, did you? 

807
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,400
Have you Have you been to 
Buffalo Wild Wings? 

808
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,760
I don't think so. 
I don't think I have. 

809
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,640
I mean, listen it. 
It would even put Popeyes to 

810
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,960
shame. 
Holy shit, Yeah, yeah, it's big 

811
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120
you're listening to. 
America, OH. 

812
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,760
God, I'd be happy with a great. 
Wild Wings. 

813
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,560
I'd be happy with a cottage 
chicken deal. 

814
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:30,040
OK. 
Yeah, so we sat there and then 

815
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
my brother said what about two 
peas in a pod? 

816
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,920
And I said, oh, what about two 
Mr Peas in a podcast, which is 

817
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,160
like the greatest thing I've 
ever said because I actually 

818
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,440
felt like I was involved in the 
origins then. 

819
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,560
And then, yeah, we started 
recording and it was like every 

820
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,240
couple of weeks it was a little 
bit sort of like, oh, can you do

821
00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:55,120
it tonight? 
And I was, I used to be like, 

822
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,400
oh, no, I can't do it tonight 
because I just didn't really see

823
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,280
it as anything. 
I was just a bit like, you know,

824
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,480
I don't really know what it is. 
But then once it started going, 

825
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,840
it was just like, and then 
lockdown just took it into like 

826
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,840
a different, yeah. 
It just went mad with all the 

827
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,640
teachers and school staff who 
were at home who weren't able to

828
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,120
be involved in that school 
banter. 

829
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,920
And then, yeah. 
And then it was like, you know, 

830
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,600
it's been followed by tours and 
books. 

831
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,360
And it is, it's been one of the 
greatest things personally I've 

832
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,880
ever achieved. 
And obviously doing it alongside

833
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,680
my Big Brother, we've had, you 
know, our Nana, God bless her. 

834
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,800
She passed away two years ago. 
And but she had her own feature 

835
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,040
on the podcast. 
She was like a, you know, she 

836
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,560
was adopted as like our 
listeners, Amanda. 

837
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,320
I saw you give her a shout out 
when you did one of the one of 

838
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,600
the stage shows that she was 
just. 

839
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Sat in the middle such AI or 
whenever that video pops up, it 

840
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,560
always gives me that little bit 
of emotion and well, nice and 

841
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,400
I'm always just like what a 
moment and and actually we're 

842
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,520
going back. 
We're doing the, we're doing The

843
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,760
Lowry in two weeks and it's our 
biggest ever show. 

844
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
So we did. 
We've done the small room at The

845
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,120
Lowry in Salford. 
I think the small room is about 

846
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,120
350. 
We've done that a couple of 

847
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,520
times, but this, this other room
is like 1700. 

848
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,120
Amazing. 
So the nerves are a jangling and

849
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,080
and you know the Tommy Robinson 
coming, I'm doing sit ups and 

850
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,480
press UPS like you wouldn't 
believe. 

851
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,560
And yeah, so I mean, when you 
talk about like the community 

852
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,680
and stuff that that's what that 
all is because, you know, 

853
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,880
working in a school is hard 
work. 

854
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,000
And you do get you do get a lot 
of people outside of education 

855
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,280
who criticise and who who don't 
quite understand, you know, the 

856
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,880
classic comments of, oh, you get
so much time off and oh, how 

857
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,280
hard can it be when you only 
work from 9:00 to 3:00? 

858
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,320
I mean, I'm married to a teacher
as well. 

859
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,240
It couldn't be further from the 
truth. 

860
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,240
And so I think we give like 
school staff, hopefully give 

861
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,880
school staff, you know, because 
I'm a teaching assistant, my 

862
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,160
brother's a teacher, we kind of 
cover that. 

863
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,880
We kind of give them a little 
bit of hope and that they're not

864
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,760
alone and that everyone goes 
through these crazy times. 

865
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,280
And, and when it comes down to 
it, we always say we're the 

866
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,360
educational podcasts that you 
don't learn anything because it 

867
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,760
is just funny stories that 
people send in, obviously 

868
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,760
personal stories. 
But because we've been doing it 

869
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,120
for eight years now, you know, 
we've kind of spoke about every 

870
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,600
single thing we do unless 
someone kind of crops up in the 

871
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,280
week. 
It's been, it has been amazing. 

872
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,240
And I still love it to this day.
And it's led to things like 

873
00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:40,000
this, you know, building my 
social media numbers, you know, 

874
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,200
getting invited on this slide by
yourselves, which, which I 

875
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,520
absolutely love and just kind of
meeting other people. 

876
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,120
And we've had, you know, guests 
on ours and it's just it's, 

877
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:54,720
it's, I mean, it's, it's still 
baffles me that it's a thing. 

878
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,280
Like I went to a con. 
I do sometimes get recognised 

879
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,480
which I find I mean I. 
It's, it's a bizarre feeling. 

880
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,440
It's fucking me. 
It's the first time somebody 

881
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,360
said to us, we went to a rally 
in London last year. 

882
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,880
We'd only been doing it about 
four months. 

883
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,640
Yeah. 
And we were invited to this 

884
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,640
rally in Westminster. 
I said jokingly to you, wouldn't

885
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,160
it be funny if someone 
recognised us and wanted a 

886
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,880
photo? 
We spent the entire afternoon 

887
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,120
people, do you mind if we come 
and say hello and have a photo? 

888
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,880
It was surreal. 
It was weird. 

889
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,240
Somebody came over and I can't 
remember the exact scenario. 

890
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:35,360
Someone came over and they had 
their their phone in their hand 

891
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,640
for a photo and they held it out
and they said about taking a 

892
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,600
photo. 
And I was like, Oh yeah, sure. 

893
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,120
So I took their phone off them 
to take a photo and she went, 

894
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,680
but no, I I want the photo with 
you. 

895
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,520
And I was like, in my head, I'm 
like, why? 

896
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,280
But I was like, oh, I thought, I
thought she was like, here's my 

897
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,320
phone, can you take a photo for 
me? 

898
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,200
I was like, absolutely, of 
course. 

899
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,680
Can it what? 
Are you taking a photo of? 

900
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,160
But so yeah, it's bizarre in it.
It's just weird because again, 

901
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:02,880
we're just normal. 
We're just dads like. 

902
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,040
We're just exactly, Yeah. 
And I, I, I mean, I do buzz off 

903
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880
it. 
It's happened more over the past

904
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,000
year than ever before. 
I mean, I remember the first 

905
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,360
time it ever happened. 
It was just after lockdown. 

906
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,480
I took my lads swimming and it 
was in like a family changing 

907
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,680
room and I got recognised when I
was in my swimming shorts. 

908
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Of all the places to get 
recognised it was a horrible 

909
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,640
feeling. 
I've never held my breath in 

910
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,480
like honestly I was like I was 
turning blue. 

911
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,440
But it was fun. 
I was in Liverpool. 

912
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,920
I went to Liverpool last week. 
Me and my close friend went to 

913
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,000
watch Paul Simon in Liverpool 
and we're walking through 

914
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,320
Liverpool and then this woman 
was just like I missed a pee and

915
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,520
like ran over and like hugged me
and wanted a picture and stuff. 

916
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,000
And I'm just like this is, this 
is wild. 

917
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:54,920
And I think the the craziest one
was we're on holiday about 2-3 

918
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,760
years ago and a woman came over 
whilst I was sat with like my 

919
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,560
dad, my mum, my wife and 
obviously Max was in his 

920
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,760
pushchair asleep I think. 
And this woman came over holding

921
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,480
two of our books and was like, 
I've brought these for holiday 

922
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,840
reads, like, could you sign 
them? 

923
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,960
And I was like, oh, my goodness 
me, I didn't have a pen licence 

924
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,480
at school. 
How is this happening? 

925
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,800
So I mean, I, I do, I, I'll 
never like, I, I don't, I mean, 

926
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,320
I'm guessing like, you know, you
get to it. 

927
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,840
I will never reach the heights 
of certain people. 

928
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,240
But you know, when you see 
people who just reject, like, 

929
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,280
oh, no, I can't. 
I don't want a picture. 

930
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,000
I see it all the time. 
I'm just thinking like God, I, I

931
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,480
love it. 
I'd do it all day and it. 

932
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,000
And it's not, it's not an ego 
thing so much, is it? 

933
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,000
It's because it because you know
you've given value to to 

934
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,440
somebody in some way. 
It's not like it's not like I 

935
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,560
think. 
It's a lovely thing, it's. 

936
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,720
Just nice, yeah. 
I I, I always get so fuming when

937
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,880
I I get a message. 
I've had a few in the past where

938
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,640
someone will be like, oh, I saw 
you in ALDI. 

939
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,080
Didn't I'll come over and I'm 
always like, come over, I'm in 

940
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:03,640
ALDI. 
How big? 

941
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,280
How big of a big shot do you 
think I am? 

942
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,240
Yeah, yeah, I was. 
I was begging for money outside 

943
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,200
Waitrose and I saw you walk out 
like that'd be. 

944
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,880
We're in Audi. 
We all know. 

945
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,560
We all we all know. 
The nibbly nobles just come and 

946
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,760
talk to me. 
I'm the common man. 

947
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,760
It was, yeah, we had it with I 
think I was outside. 

948
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,360
No, it wasn't. 
I was sitting in a Starbucks and

949
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,080
somebody just came over and just
I was, I was working, you know, 

950
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,480
because you still have 9 to 
fives. 

951
00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,720
I was out there on the laptop 
and just comes over and goes gas

952
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,800
and I went, yeah. 
And he went it's nice to meet 

953
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,240
you. 
I was like, nice to meet you 

954
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,720
too. 
Like didn't tell me why. 

955
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,240
And then he went, I recognise 
you from the podcast. 

956
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,760
I was like, mate, I'm so sorry. 
I said, can you appreciate that 

957
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,080
was a bit of a weird interaction
for me because you just said 

958
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,360
Gaz. 
I thought it was someone that I 

959
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,640
knew and I didn't recognise his 
face or something. 

960
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,360
But nice to meet you. 
I was like, nice to meet you 

961
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,960
too. 
I was like, this is fucking 

962
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,320
bizarre. 
Yeah, you've had to do that 

963
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
thing where you don't know the 
persons name and you're like hi 

964
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,360
mate, are you doing pal? 
Yeah, yeah. 

965
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,240
Yeah, it's great to see you 
again. 

966
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:11,680
It's great to see you too. 
When was the last time we 

967
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,880
bumped? 
Into each other, Yeah. 

968
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,600
When was it again? 
Yeah. 

969
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,800
Oh, it's good. 
So what what's the plan for for 

970
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,080
the, I mean, is there a plan or 
you're just kind of riding out 

971
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,520
and seeing where it goes? 
Yeah. 

972
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,360
So with the the episodes happen 
weekly. 

973
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Obviously we don't do them in 
the school holidays because 

974
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,320
obviously that's a bit of 
downtime for us because like you

975
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,200
said, we both still work and 
we're on, we're on our third 

976
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,360
tour at the minute and it's just
been extended. 

977
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,000
So we've got we've obviously got
this show at The Lowry in two 

978
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,000
weeks, but then we're we're on 
tour the full October half term 

979
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,840
this year and then the full 
February of 2027. 

980
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,360
And then I mean the shows, like 
I said, I'd love, you know, I 

981
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,080
really want to try and get you 
both to a show. 

982
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,600
The shows are just such a buzz 
because obviously you can share 

983
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,480
things that you can't 
necessarily share on the 

984
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,320
podcast. 
It's a little bit more after 

985
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,200
dark. 
You know, we have stories from 

986
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:13,000
audience members that are there.
Some people own up to them, some

987
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,520
people don't. 
You can imagine what the like 

988
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,080
when they don't. 
But we really, you know, the 

989
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,840
first half is like traditional 
stand up, like we, we both just 

990
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,480
take bits to do little different
things. 

991
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,680
And then the second-half is just
we just rally off stories. 

992
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,360
Like some of them, you know, 
we'll get sent like, say we'll 

993
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,080
get sent 20 stories a week and 
there might be one that's just 

994
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,800
like, Oh my goodness. 
And. 

995
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,600
That'll go back to the. 
Live show box whilst the others 

996
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,040
will be like, you know, or we'll
share those in the episode 

997
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,440
because they're a little bit 
more PG but no, I'm really I 

998
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,800
mean the nerves leading up to a 
show are crazy because you know,

999
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,640
like most comedians will do like
work in progress shows and. 

1000
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Small intimate settings, I think
some of those, yeah. 

1001
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,680
Exactly. 
They're kind of testing their 

1002
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,640
work, aren't they? 
We did what was our first show 

1003
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,400
of this tour? 
Oh, it was, it was Manchester. 

1004
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,480
We did the Aviva Studios in 
Manchester. 

1005
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,720
And I and I remember just like 
just before we're going because 

1006
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:17,280
we'd not said any of the stuff 
to anyone. 

1007
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,960
So it was like, are people going
to laugh? 

1008
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,920
Are people going to like it? 
Like, but then I always convince

1009
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,760
myself by saying like people who
have bought tickets to come know

1010
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,560
us, like they know what we're 
offering. 

1011
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,640
They're not, they're not like 
randomers who are just like, oh,

1012
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,200
what these guys going to do? 
It's yeah, yeah. 

1013
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,360
Loyal, like listeners and 
followers of me or my brother or

1014
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,840
both. 
And then no, I mean, I 

1015
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,920
absolutely love it. 
It's it's tiring. 

1016
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,720
And obviously it's, you know, 
I'm away when we're doing shows.

1017
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,520
Like we had a week in the week 
in October. 

1018
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,440
We were basically away the whole
week, which is an awful lot for 

1019
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,600
my wife, you know, to have both 
kids on our own for that long. 

1020
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,200
But you know, I come home and 
try and be as present as I can, 

1021
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,880
even though I'll be so tired. 
And it's not like when you're on

1022
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,800
the road, it's everyone thinks, 
oh, that must be amazing. 

1023
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Like I don't sleep well when I'm
not at home. 

1024
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,080
Like, I don't know whether it's 
like a little bit of guilt, 

1025
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,400
whether it's just a little bit 
of worry because I'm, I'm 

1026
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,840
already placing myself in the 
doghouse with my wife without 

1027
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,240
even being put there. 
So I'm always just like, I can't

1028
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:31,800
really, you know, ring my wife 
in the morning and be like, oh, 

1029
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,960
I had, I had a glorious 8 hours 
last night. 

1030
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,400
I feel like I have to have a bad
sleep to say Oh no. 

1031
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,160
To be fair, I didn't have a 
great one either. 

1032
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,200
I personally stayed until 3:00 
in the morning. 

1033
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:47,440
Yeah, I made it shit night. 
Well, yeah, no, it's going 

1034
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,360
really, really well. 
And then yeah, as long as people

1035
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,640
are still kind of interacting 
with it and enjoying the 

1036
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:59,040
episodes we're putting out. 
And obviously I've the shows 

1037
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,200
can, the shows can go on. 
I mean, when we finish this 

1038
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,120
tour, it would have lasted. 
So it would have lasted up from 

1039
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:11,320
October 25 to February 27. 
And obviously we have to do it 

1040
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,560
in the school holidays to fit in
with our work. 

1041
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:17,000
So, you know, Fast forward 
another year. 

1042
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,720
You know, I'd love to think that
we'd that people have enjoyed 

1043
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,840
coming to the show so much that 
if we were to to announce a 

1044
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,640
brand new show, people would 
come back. 

1045
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,040
I might be wrong. 
I would think that. 

1046
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,600
Was it quite, I imagine it was 
quite bizarre, the idea of doing

1047
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,680
a show in the 1st place, Was 
that like, like, do you know 

1048
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,520
what I mean? 
Did it feel like, like if 

1049
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,920
somebody said to me, me and Andy
like, do a show, I'd be like 

1050
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,760
about what? 
Like I wouldn't know what it, I 

1051
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,480
wouldn't know how to do it. 
Yeah, I mean, do you know, it's 

1052
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,960
funny. 
I mean, again, I'll give my 

1053
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,960
brother huge props for this. 
He just like had a plan. 

1054
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,720
He was like, let's do the 
podcast and then we can start 

1055
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,760
doing shows and brilliant. 
Obviously, if the podcast like 

1056
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,720
took off now we had our first 
show pre lockdown. 

1057
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,920
So the podcast was at a decent 
level. 

1058
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,320
You know, it was getting a good 
amount of listens. 

1059
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,080
But then Lee we booked a venue 
and just sorted it all 

1060
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,720
ourselves, sold tickets, ran our
own bar. 

1061
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,640
We had like our wives working 
behind the bar and I remember 

1062
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:25,160
going out and I think we I think
it was to about 150 people and. 

1063
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,280
How's your first show? 
That was our first ever show 

1064
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,320
yet. 
That's brilliant. 

1065
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,960
I might be. 
I'm sure it was about 100 and 

1066
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,840
150, maybe 130. 
That's brilliant. 

1067
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,960
I remember being like, I was in 
the green room and I just 

1068
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,280
remember being like, Oh my. 
Because my brother was always a 

1069
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,960
performer. 
He did drama. 

1070
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,200
So he'd done shows, pantomimes, 
all that kind of stuff. 

1071
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,280
And obviously he'd have a little
bit of sort of the experience of

1072
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,760
doing interviews and, you know, 
this morning and that kind of 

1073
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,760
stuff. 
And I was like, this is so 

1074
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,920
weird. 
I couldn't, I couldn't quite 

1075
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,800
believe that. 
Like I was walking out. 

1076
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:10,280
And then once that first joke 
lands, and I think what's funny 

1077
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,920
is because me and my brother 
have a funny relationship in 

1078
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,440
terms of he's very kind of 
straight laced. 

1079
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,640
He is very sensible, put it that
way. 

1080
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,560
And whereas I'm a little bit 
more of a renegade, I'm a little

1081
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,640
bit more what, what you going to
say? 

1082
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,640
So he was, he always says he was
so nervous because he wasn't 

1083
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,520
sure whether I was going to get 
him cancelled or not. 

1084
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,600
The dynamics between you works 
really well, doesn't it? 

1085
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,320
Yeah, I mean, he, he's 
brilliant, my brother. 

1086
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,720
And he's he's he's a proper, you
know, role model to me and so 

1087
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,880
many others. 
And he, I think even though he 

1088
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,640
always talks about how much I 
do, he's heading, I think he 

1089
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,880
knows that we need each other 
for the podcast to work. 

1090
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,960
Like you couldn't have had, you 
couldn't have two of him. 

1091
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,480
You definitely couldn't have had
two of me because I wouldn't 

1092
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,760
know how to plug a microphone 
in. 

1093
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,880
So it would be a big issue. 
But then, yeah, so we did that. 

1094
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:03,040
We did the first show and it 
went really well. 

1095
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,120
And then we ended up booking 
like four or five. 

1096
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,000
And then lockdown came in after 
I think we've done three shows 

1097
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,400
and then lockdown came in. 
And then that was where we got 

1098
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,880
contacted by like an agent and 
then Phil McIntyre, who's like 

1099
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,160
one of the biggest tour 
promoters, saw the kind of 

1100
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,920
traction we were getting during 
lockdown at the podcast and 

1101
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,600
decided to spread the the tour 
like we did. 

1102
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:33,320
The first tour was somewhat like
57 dates, but it was all just 

1103
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,440
like weekends. 
So it was like every weekend we 

1104
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,280
were doing shows and then half 
term we're doing like full weeks

1105
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,960
and Easter 2 weeks. 
And then we finished that first 

1106
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,920
tour and then it was like 
straight away they were like, 

1107
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,160
oh, do you want to do another 
one? 

1108
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,240
So we were like, Oh yeah, we'll 
give it a year. 

1109
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,880
Because obviously you don't, you
don't want to over kind of do 

1110
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,520
it. 
Yeah, you want, yeah, you want 

1111
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,560
to keep people wanting more and 
coming back, but you need to 

1112
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,560
give it a little bit of time. 
I remember the biggest regret I 

1113
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,520
have. 
We did, we did a two week, so 

1114
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:10,600
half term in like 20/22/23 fell.
So half the country were off in 

1115
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,560
one week of October and the 
other half of the country were 

1116
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,600
off in like the other week in 
October and it just depended 

1117
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,240
where you were. 
So we did two weeks in the 

1118
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,560
October half term and then just 
didn't do the show again. 

1119
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,520
And it was such a good show and 
we only performed it 15 times. 

1120
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,640
And we were thinking, oh, why 
have we not just extended it? 

1121
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,720
So that's why obviously this one
has been doing really well. 

1122
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,760
I mean some of the venues we've 
been doing it's like pinch me 

1123
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,000
stuff. 
We sold the Hackney Empire in 

1124
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,600
London out. 
It was just and we went, it was 

1125
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,480
so funny. 
You know, we did the, we did the

1126
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,920
Hackney Empire and then we went 
to the pub next door. 

1127
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,680
So my dad had come with us on 
tour. 

1128
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:55,520
So my dad had seen the show like
7 or 8 times and then he decided

1129
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,160
to meet an old workmate and he 
just got absolutely trollied in 

1130
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,200
this pub next door to the 
Hackney Empire. 

1131
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,200
So then when we finished the 
show and go into this pub and my

1132
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,480
dad is absolutely out of it, he 
was honestly sat there on his 

1133
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,240
own, just like swaying. 
And we go and sit down and my 

1134
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,400
dad's one of them like firmly 
keep our feet on the ground. 

1135
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,440
He was caught. 
He was going, did you make any 

1136
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,720
more mistakes? 
And all of it, getting it, 

1137
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,920
getting a bit chimpy. 
And then out of nowhere, Tim Key

1138
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,800
walked in, you know, yeah, yeah.
You know, the Ballad of Wallace 

1139
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,440
Island, like the guy, and he's 
in Alan Partridge and stuff. 

1140
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,200
He just walked in and sat down. 
And I was just like, I've got to

1141
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,760
go and get a picture with him. 
Like, he's an absolute legend. 

1142
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,280
So then he was just kind of 
like, oh, So what are you doing 

1143
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,880
here? 
And I was just like, well, we've

1144
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,440
just sold that in the empire 
out. 

1145
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,640
And he was just a bit like, what
you 2 did. 

1146
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:47,080
Yeah. 
Who are you? 

1147
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,800
But yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I I'm
extremely grateful. 

1148
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:59,760
I'm extremely sort of 
appreciative of of everything 

1149
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,200
that's common and and long may 
it continue. 

1150
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,080
And, you know, obviously I think
them don't want to sound like 

1151
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,480
corny here, but to to do 
something that I know makes my 

1152
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:12,160
parents, my wife, my kids. 
Even though Max won't know it 

1153
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,960
yet, but maybe in years to come,
he can see the books and he can 

1154
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,680
see the the Tor clips and be 
like, oh, no way. 

1155
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,240
Like, yeah, is that my dad or a 
fat Tommy Robinson? 

1156
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:29,240
I can't try. 
But yeah, it's, it's, it's been,

1157
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,120
it's been amazing and such a 
such a wild ride. 

1158
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:32,800
Yeah, I'll bet. 
Oh. 

1159
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Man, no, that's really, that's 
really cool, man. 

1160
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,640
Thanks. 
Thanks for all kind of giving us

1161
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,880
some time to to go over this. 
I mean, just one, one last thing

1162
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,600
then just touching about the 
back to being an autism dad. 

1163
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,800
It's always a good way to end 
with with kind of guests. 

1164
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:55,920
If there is a piece of advice 
you'd give to a dad who's going 

1165
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,600
through the diagnosis process or
trying to get their head round 

1166
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,960
it, I mean, what would that 
piece of advice be? 

1167
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:07,320
Oh, that's a good question. 
My piece of advice would be 

1168
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:12,120
always just focus on the 
positives, focus on the small 

1169
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,720
wins. 
I often talk about progress, not

1170
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,080
perfection, and I think that's 
so important because progress is

1171
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,200
progressing And anytime, like we
talked about before, anytime 

1172
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,680
your child does something, puts 
a nappy in the bin, says a word 

1173
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:33,160
that's never said before, the 
feelings different than, you 

1174
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:37,320
know, the feeling was when my 
daughter would do something like

1175
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,160
write a name. 
It's that you feel like you've 

1176
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,440
you've accomplished something as
a parent through love, 

1177
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,280
understanding, impatience. 
And I think that's the key thing

1178
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:53,120
to have is don't compare, you 
know, to other children, to 

1179
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,200
other families, to other 
milestones, to create your own 

1180
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,480
journey and to, to enjoy it and 
to, I always think just embrace.

1181
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,520
I've, I'm embracing it now. 
It, it, it, it was a little bit 

1182
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,400
of a, of a scary thought when I 
first, you know, was learning 

1183
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,640
about autism and, and, and you 
know, you know, you talked about

1184
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:20,240
my 7 year old started to use the
toilet a little bit, but he's 

1185
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,080
still in pull ups. 
He actually didn't realise he 

1186
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,880
was wearing underpants tonight 
and he was, and he's just 

1187
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,720
absolutely drenched the couch. 
So you take, you take the wins. 

1188
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,280
And and also it's just massively
important that you talk like you

1189
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,200
listen to yourselves, you look 
at the the positive role models 

1190
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,040
that are on social media and you
try and just take every day as 

1191
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,720
it comes and just do the best 
job you can do. 

1192
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,440
Be there if you could always and
embrace the journey. 

1193
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:54,720
Amazing. 
Love it mate. 

1194
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:55,840
Thank you very. 
Much. 

1195
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,920
All right. 
Thank you mate. 

1196
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:58,600
Really. 
Enjoy it. 

1197
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,680
Well, thank you so much. 
Really appreciate it. 

1198
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,040
It's been a long time coming 
mate. 

1199
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:03,440
Yeah, yeah. 
No. 

1200
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:05,760
Well, I'm looking forward to 
staying in touch and I'll send 

1201
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,120
the I'll send the tour dates 
over and any show that you can 

1202
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:11,680
make. 
Oh mate, love that. 

1203
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,800
Put tickets aside. 
Absolutely love that. 

1204
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,960
Before you go mate, do you just 
want to let everyone know what 

1205
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,680
your socials are and stuff so 
they can give you a following? 

1206
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:22,600
Yeah, amazing. 
So you can follow me on TikTok 

1207
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:28,040
is I'll have to remember this 
now at the other Mr P and then 

1208
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:34,280
on Instagram it is at 2 Mr PS 
podcast or just search Adam 

1209
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,920
Parkinson into Facebook or 
Instagram. 

1210
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,600
And yeah, really appreciate it. 
Looking forward to yeah, I'm 

1211
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,560
sure my wife will appreciate 
listening to this. 

1212
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,960
Might Get Me Out of the dog out.
Yeah. 

1213
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,280
Is that why you were just 
bigging her up for the first 

1214
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,920
half an hour? 
Yeah, she's done an amazing job.

1215
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,040
Did I say how amazing my wife 
is? 

1216
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,720
Did I say how great she. 
Is oh God, they broke the mould 

1217
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:57,840
when they made her. 
Oh, absolutely super broke the 

1218
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,920
mould. 
We'll edit this out so she never

1219
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,280
sees it. 
But yeah, next time we're in 

1220
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,880
Manchester as well, we'll go and
split a Popeyes or something 

1221
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:06,880
like that. 
It's a date. 

1222
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,760
They love it, mate. 
Adam, thank you very much mate. 

1223
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,680
Cheers boys. 
Catch you soon? 

1224
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,200
Cheers pal. 
Tell that mate.