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This is at the Extremes, 
beloved. 

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Welcome back to At the Extremes 
to the podcast where we discuss 

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the extremes in our society. 
And now we got here. 

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As always, we are your host. 
I'm Greg. 

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It's Judy and. 
Today we're going to be talking 

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about the Stonewall uprising. 
But before we get into it, Judy,

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silver lining. 
Oh caught me off guard with 

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that. 
How? 

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Because we open every show this 
way. 

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Of course, I've always got a 
silver lining. 

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Greg, how silly of you. 
This week there were, you know, 

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the extreme lows of the world as
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But there there's always a few 
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And I had one. 
We have this, one of the 

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signature workouts at my gym, 
air quotes around signature, 

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meaning it's like a special 
thing and you'll see it come 

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around probably about once a 
quarter, maybe less than that. 

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I don't really know how 
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occur, but they are there to 
like sort of test your 

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endurance, your strength, how 
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So the idea is either to shave 
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on. 
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of a fun one. 
You, you are, you start with 100

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meters and then after you do 100
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rowing machine and you hop onto 
a treadmill and you can either 

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Sprint or you can power walk. 
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of a mile and if you power walk,
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So you know, with a new strategy
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that on on this podcast, but 
with a new strategy, I was able 

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to add 722 meters from my 
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I finally broke through like the
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You add 100 meters every time 
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So you do 100 meters, run or 
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treadmill, 300, so on and so 
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And you just try to rack up as 
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So anyway, it was one of those 
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testing type days. 
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proud. 
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benchmarks as of as of late and 
I like that. 

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That's big. 
That's big. 

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That's big deal. 
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advanced age. 
That's a big deal. 

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Dare you? 
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say that because I am eating 
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this decade that I have entered 
the new age bracket just a few 

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short two months ago is full of 
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And I, and I mean like the 
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significant shape. 
And I, I will not be seeing a 

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leaderboard for quite a while 
because these women are 

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monsters. 
And like, it's going to be very 

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hard to get kind of back to a 
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people. 
This is the decade to to be in. 

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Apparently we call it the 
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So. 
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I am humble. 
Well, I'm glad to hear that you 

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have something to chase now. 
It's true. 

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And I, I like kind of starting 
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new here and I, I recognize my, 
my ranking in the pecking order.

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Hi I'm Judy, I am new to this. 
New to new to the decade, new to

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the age group. 
Hello, welcome. 

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See my Gray hairs? 
That's fantastic. 

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That's fantastic. 
I yeah, this week's been this 

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week has been tough. 
You're right. 

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All the things that are 
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Supreme Court just a couple days
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devastating rulings that they're
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But silver lining wise, I 
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call it a practice, but it for 
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practice of writing up a daily 
affirmation on my whiteboard at 

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work and pairing that with a 
song of the week, kind of like 

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the ear worm. 
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it at work. 
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providing at least some 
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So if I can do that for myself, 
and it's really only for me, but

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if other people like it, then I 
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So. 
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silver lining of yours, you 
inspired me to invest some 

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additional efforts in a little 
passion project at work also 

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that is filling my cup. 
So thank you for that good 

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energy from this little story 
this week. 

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I think it's adorable that you 
do your affirmation in your song

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of the day and I am just going 
to say it to to the nobodies who

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work in your office and don't 
listen to this podcast, but 

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y'all are lucky. 
That's a that's a nice kind of 

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energy to have at work. 
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thing. 
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people who have, you know, 
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I've got anxiety or you know, 
you know, it, it, it just, it 

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helps to boost people up a 
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So whatever I can do to make 
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And also very specifically, not 
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It's really, you know, a thing I
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Works both ways. 
It's kind of nice and people 

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need that. 
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don't know, there's something 
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just approach everyone as if 
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And like really the golden rule,
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people and how you would want to
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And if you would like for people
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to kind of put that energy out 
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So, you know, it's a little 
gestures, honestly, that build a

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lot of morale in the workplace 
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Like people need to remember 
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they are kind. 
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us to reach for because it's 
never going to be received 

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poorly. 
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Yeah, I know. 
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at it and go that's a bad thing.
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of people who would. 
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And if they are, then there's 
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So, but Speaking of things that 
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take a real quick break. 
When we come back, we're going 

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to discuss one of the more 
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rights movement and how the 
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provide that for them. 
We are back. 

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I am so excited to have another 
history episode. 

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It's time to discuss, like I 
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uprisings in the gay rights 
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So Stonewall as this uprising is
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Do you know anything about the 
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I knew you were going to ask 
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And yes, for the purposes of 
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monumentous events on the 
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But I was, I purposefully did 
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familiarize myself because I 
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to be able to sit and spout 
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listen and buckle up for a 
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So I'm just excited that I got 
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important, even if we're talking
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history that predates that 
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And I think that's so important 
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understand because really what 
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movement that the government had
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snuffing out and reducing it to 
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fire that was was burning. 
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systematically went about 
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where events like Stonewall 
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So I'm going to start our 
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20th century, in 1924, this is 
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name of Henry Gerber establishes
a society called the Society for

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Human Rights. 
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rights organization as well as 
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organization in the country, 
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because I didn't know this until
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And I feel kind of ignorant, if 
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know, I got my degree in 
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I love history. 
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supporters of, of, of the LGBTQ 
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really know much about it. 
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you know, I know about, you 
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and I know about women's 
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like, I stand on the right side 
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rights, but I just didn't know 
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So this is really interesting 
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really starts in in Chicago 
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the state of Illinois. 
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American publication for 
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It's called Friendship and 
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It gains like national 
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Like a lot of people like, Oh my
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disgusting stuff is being. 
Published this abomination. 

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Right. 
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forced upon us. 
This is, you know, drag time to 

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story hour kind of, you know, 
salaciousness in terms of like 

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how the the American public was 
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politicians were expressing 
their disappointment with gay 

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people being visible in our 
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written word. 
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day, so soon after the founding,
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society publishes its first 
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disband because Gerber is 
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newsletter very shortly 
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So the first organization in the
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police and the federal police 
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have that. 
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publishing, you know, gay 
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Gay stuff. 
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the parts of the story that is 
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is that Gerber was before he 
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the human rights organization. 
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States Army. 
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Army, you know, a soldier and 
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folds, he decides to re enlist 
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And he was posted in in New York
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Island, which is like near 
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So it's like, you know, not in a
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to be a, an eclectic part of the
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Like, there's a lot, it's a lot 
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pots, you know, like visibility 
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higher there than it is and say 
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nowhere Kentucky. 
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larger mix of people, you know, 
it's a, it's a portal for, you 

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know, immigration to into the 
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so that makes sense. 
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And so you have like this like 
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changing. 
You've got the war coming, 

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you've got, you know, the well, 
the war, the World War One has 

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just ended. 
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like, you know, it's spinning 
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things are starting to like 
formulate again for the German 

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states, blah, blah, blah, blah, 
blah. 

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And so you've got like this, I 
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it feels very similar to how 
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you've got this like we, we want
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homogenic. 
What's the word I'm looking for 

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here where it's like just one, 
you know, I want America not, 

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not multiple types of Americans,
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you know, homogeneous. 
That's the word I'm looking for.

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Homogeneous. 
Yeah, OK. 

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Yeah, I think that's the word 
I'm looking for. 

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These early politicians, not 
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politicians in the 1920s are 
looking for a very similar 

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outcome that we have our 
politicians currently looking 

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for. 
So it's a kind of a mirror. 

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About 100 years apart. 
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we're not, we're not repeating 
the. 

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We would never do that. 
So he he goes back to, he goes 

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to this governor's island at a 
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And during his time at Fort Jay,
he is harassed and beaten and, 

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you know, thrown into a room by 
himself, all because he's gay. 

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This is according to the 
National Park Service where they

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have a placard outlining like 
what happened to this man of. 

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Course they do. 
Did you know, jumping back into 

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it that recently the National 
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to not the National Park 
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The government posted signs at 
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people to snitch if they see 
any. 

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Like, I did not see that. 
DEI and gay stuff, like 

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anything, anything. 
I'm sorry. 

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It's not just DEI and gay, but 
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America in a bad light. 
They there's QR codes now where 

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you can scan it and, like, 
snitch on. 

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Yeah. 
It's it's 1984. 

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And I hope I'm not paraphrasing 
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sound that far fetched. 
No, but it is a story. 

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I can go back and do the 
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you'd like. 
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there's QR codes on some of the 
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And I'm just thinking because of
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Service decided to make sure 
that we documented this, you 

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know what I mean? 
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know, they are known for 
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history, regardless of what 
light it puts America. 

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You have to do, you have to tell
the story as it is. 

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So I'm just looking this up. 
Censorship. 

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See the National Park visitor 
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help deleting negative signage. 
The administration asked for 

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help erasing language on park 
displays that failed to 

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emphasize American grandeur, but
visitors have not identified any

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examples. 
How about that? 

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And PS people are our people, 
yeah. 

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No, I mean one. 1000%. 
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made-up of, you know, really 
good human beings. 

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I feel like if you're willing to
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order to protect America, the 
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that America has. 
It belongs to all of us. 

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Then yeah, I, I think you're a 
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individual. 
They don't, I mean, they are, 

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they're not well paid. 
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like teachers and a lot of 
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that they're doing some of the 
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do and they're paid laughable 
salaries. 

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I mean, I'd say that the that 
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job than MPs officers. 
I mean, it's, it's apples and 

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oranges. 
It's important all in its own 

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different ways, like you said, 
without what happened when they 

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reduced staffing at parks. 
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Shit's gone fucking. 
But but, but the first thing 

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that you'll hear from people are
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to get in and the reservation 
process. 

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Bears are eating all the food 
because we had to cut staff that

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formerly like took care of these
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So you know it's. 
It's it you create the problem 

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so that you can implement the 
solution that you've already 

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predetermined, which is we don't
need these things, let's just 

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make sell them, sell the land 
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The things that we deem things 
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interesting things. 
Things like national protected 

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lands, things like healthcare, 
things like food benefits to 

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feed hungry people, things like 
housing. 

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Gay rights acknowledgement. 
Women's rights, reproductive 

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rights at that. 
Yeah, it's wild. 

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Yeah. 
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though. 
For several weeks in the year 

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1942, Gerber was held in a 
guardhouse at Castle Williams, 

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which is where this governor's 
island, Fort Jay's at, right? 

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So he's held there for a couple 
of weeks and there's, quote, no 

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evidence of illegal behavior 
found. 

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And what they're talking about 
is there is no evidence of gay 

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sex happening. 
So how you figure that? 

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Out how incredibly invasive was 
my first thought. 

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I don't know how you go about 
who. 

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Went about determining that 
right, right, right, right. 

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I don't know. 
Well, you know, if it's anything

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like modern day, a certain 
political party seems really 

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invested and highly, highly 
sickly interested in people's 

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sex, sexual comings and goings. 
No pun intended, we. 

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Went to a rage room and now 
you're and now you're letting it

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all out. 
You're letting it fly. 

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I like it. 
Oh, we didn't mention the rage 

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room. 
That's fine in the silver 

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lining. 
It's OK. 

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We have a collective silver 
lining that we'll announce at 

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the end of the show. 
OK, we're going to say it now. 

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We went to a rage room. 
That's basically about it it. 

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Was really hot it. 
Was a lot of fun. 

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We busted some things. 
Yeah, there's a video. 

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Yeah, there is. 
We're not going to post it. 

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No one's ever, no one's ever 
going to see the video. 

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It's for a private collection. 
It's for our private rage 

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collection. 
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Gerber, even through this period
of time, he didn't stop writing 

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for underground queer magazines 
all throughout the city of New 

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York. 
He was also writing for other 

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sources of literature. 
He really found a a motivation 

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to even through being beaten and
I'm going to assume exposed to 

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really humiliating treatment to 
figure out that there was no 

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evidence of ill will or whatever
it was being. 

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No evidence of gay sex. 
Yeah, like illegal behavior 

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being found. 
I can't imagine that he wasn't 

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incredibly, incredibly, I don't 
want to say embarrassed, but I 

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can't imagine any other feeling 
other than being like ashamed of

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what happened to you to like go 
through that, you know, like I 

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but to so like, I guess my point
is like he continued to be an 

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activist until he died. 
Like it just motivated him to do

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it even more. 
Well, you know, what's really 

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interesting is this timeline 
like this happened right when 

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like Nazi propaganda was flying 
through, you know the. 

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World in the United States as 
well. 

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Absolutely, not just in Europe, 
but in the US, right. 

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So like, meanwhile, there's also
like gay propaganda, gay prop 

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for short flying through and in 
the form of like activism, which

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I you know, the times and the, 
and the timeline is not lost on 

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me just in terms of its 
parallels to to modern day. 

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Like we just heard the story 
that the Supreme Court is 

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ripping these protections, but. 
For trans kids. 

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Yeah, and and I, I, I read that 
like Maryland specifically lost 

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in this fight with like 
religious families claiming like

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religious right to. 
I'm really not articulating very

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well, but to be able to remove 
children from lessons that 

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include any LGBT or trans 
themes, which is so gross. 

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And I just, I have this like 
picture in my mind of people 

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with gold stars on, you know, 
like in. 

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Or in this case, rainbows. 
Yeah. 

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You know, yeah. 
And like, and then we just start

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sorting people into categories 
like they're like, they're not 

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humans and they don't actually. 
We've already started doing that

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with black and brown people that
don't look like they were born 

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in this country. 
And maybe even if they, you 

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know, this is where I have the 
choice to not get on the roller 

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coaster. 
It's just really hard because 

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you think about the, the, the 
impact and, but also the, that 

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parallel between, you know, 80 
years ago and now. 

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It's pretty wild. 
Yeah. 

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And you know, you, you kind of 
brought it up here a little bit 

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and then, you know, I kind of 
want to wrap up this little 

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story within the larger 
narrative of what we're going to

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be talking about today. 
With what? 

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Just saying like, you know, and 
I mentioned earlier, like I know

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about the activists that come 
from my community, right? 

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Like I know about Malcolm, I 
know about King, I know about 

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parks and and they're, you know,
those are so well known. 

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And I think like, I hope that, 
you know. 

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That the history that we've 
never heard of, like this one 

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that I had never heard of, 
right? 

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You know, that this is the kind 
of hero in the gay community 

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that we need to talk about and 
like in order to have an 

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inclusive conversation. 
It's not about DEI. 

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It's not about, you know, 
forcing your kids to, you know, 

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try to turn them gay or 
whatever. 

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This is about, you know, what, 
what people have gone through. 

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And it's important, right? 
Like if you had told me or my 

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parents when they were kids. 
But we're not going to talk 

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about Malcolm. 
We're not going to talk about 

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King. 
Like these are people who change

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the world for good and for more 
people to have more civil 

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rights. 
But actually, whole generations 

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of people were taught not to 
talk about these things, not to 

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talk about their trauma, not to 
talk about the hard things that 

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have happened to them, and 
really not to process their 

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emotions. 
And you can do that all you want

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to. 
You can shut it down. 

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But it doesn't mean that the 
feelings and the emotions go 

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away. 
It doesn't mean that the 

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experience changes. 
Like we're not built that way. 

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So to shut it down, to stuff it 
down, to make whole groups of 

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people feel ashamed for having 
any feelings at all. 

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I mean, it's just by putting 
people into these categories and

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saying that their experience 
didn't happen doesn't matter. 

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It invalidates human beings. 
Yeah. 

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You know, the more and more I 
reflect on it, the more and more

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I think like we were kind of 
robbed of of learning about a 

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lot of our history and the 
things that people have had to 

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go through in order to just 
fight to be on the same page, 

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you know? 
Imagine if you had learned more 

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robust lessons about the topic 
of today's episode. 

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Stonewall, you know. 
You went maybe maybe you and I 

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come from the same exact year. 
We graduate the same year, but 

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like when you were in high 
school and when I was in high 

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school and middle school, like 
to call people the F word like 

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the Efsler was very common. 
Like you never thought of I I 

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wasn't, I was never. 
Maybe he was different for you, 

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but I know in my school like it 
was just like. 

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Lots of things were thrown 
around and we had far less 

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awareness as a as a whole 
culturally, but. 

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If we had been taught about 
things like this. 

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Correct. 
If we had learned. 

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I mean, maybe the term 
microaggressions hadn't been 

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coined yet when we were in high 
school, but if we had learned 

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about microaggressions, for 
instance, like we could have 

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been teaching tolerance and anti
racism a lot, a lot sooner. 

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When I think of well, that's 
work to do, it says who like. 

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I I I know I'm poking. 
Poking. 

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I understand, you know I know 
and, and just. 

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But to me, like, what you're 
blocking is the development of 

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human empathy and tolerance of 
one another and the natural 

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acclimation of human beings to 
integrate as communities. 

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But like, as a whole, you know, 
And that this is like, the idea 

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is that we're scared of the 
things we don't understand and 

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the people that aren't like us. 
And that's just so archaic. 

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Yeah, and it tells me at least 
that it all this stuff was 

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purposefully left out, you know?
Absolutely, because who's always

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been dictating the curriculum? 
Right, you have to be willing to

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ignore this kind of stuff. 
Or just not deem it important. 

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I mean, I, I'm trying to recall 
high school history and I didn't

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go out of my way to take any 
classes. 

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I didn't have to. 
But I remember 9th grade was 

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eighth was like government, 9th 
grade government and you learned

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about the United States 
government. 

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But like world history, I feel 
like was in 7th or 8th grade. 

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And I certainly don't remember 
12 and 13 years old. 

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Do you, you know, like, not in 
terms of what I learned in 

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school. 
I don't even remember college 

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and grad school at this point. 
I don't know why you, but you 

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know, 'cause we're learning on 
the on the on the daily now 

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we're learning on the go, but we
weren't taught most of this 

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stuff. 
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. 

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How about we take a real quick 
break? 

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When we come back, I would like 
to talk to you about another, 

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you know, movement shaping 
moment that happened in the gay 

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rights movement in the 1950s. 
We're back. 

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The next event I want to focus 
on for this show is report is 

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the report that came out of the 
Senate in the 1950s titled 

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Employment of Homosexuals and 
Other Sex Perverts in the 

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Government. 
Yeah, what a name, right? 

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Wow. 
So it is distributed to members 

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of Congress after the federal 
government had covertly 

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investigated employees sexual 
orientation at the beginning of 

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the Cold War. 
The government collects quite a 

452
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,440
lot of information from people. 
Huh. 

453
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:15,840
Like to work for them? 
Yeah. 

454
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Pass. 
No thanks. 

455
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,720
That's intrusive. 
Incredibly wow. 

456
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,680
So the report states that 
homosexual since homosexuality, 

457
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,840
and this is something that I 
want to come to you about 

458
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,840
actually. 
So in the 1950s, psychologists 

459
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,840
and sociologists deemed 
homosexuality to be a disorder 

460
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,760
or an illness, like a mental 
illness. 

461
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,040
And the government goes, oh 
perfect, we'll use site like a 

462
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,400
scientifically backed thing to 
deem homosexuals as mentally ill

463
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,800
and they they constitute 
security risks to the nation 

464
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240
because those who engage in 
overt acts of perversion lack 

465
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,960
the emotional stability of, 
quote, normal persons. 

466
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280
That is 1 fucking sentence if 
I've ever read 1. 

467
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Well, welcome to the 1950s first
and foremost. 

468
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:10,080
I mean, we made a lot of 
progress post Vietnam when Big 

469
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,120
Pharma kind of came onto the 
scene and certain SSR is and 

470
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,600
things that we even even today 
still favor from the 

471
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,320
psychopharmacology community. 
But once, once psychopharm 

472
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,400
pharmacology kind of came into 
the scene as well, we started to

473
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,840
change our language and 
recognition around mental 

474
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,960
illness and things like 
homosexuality. 

475
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,080
That's a pretty antiquated 
classification because of the, 

476
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,760
the, the time frame, you know 
what I mean? 

477
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Now, you know, there are more, 
much more pronounced 

478
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,760
classifications for things. 
Gender dysmorphia, for instance,

479
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,800
is something that might be kind 
of in the wheelhouse of, you 

480
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,800
know, issues related to gender 
identity, for instance. 

481
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,800
So it's it's, I'm just kind of 
talking around it. 

482
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:07,040
But we know a whole lot more 
now, 75 years later than we did 

483
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,960
then, you know? 
I just, I wonder, at least from 

484
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960
my perspective, like as somebody
who's not educated in this stuff

485
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,880
at all, like what leads 
psychologists Like who, who was 

486
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,880
in like. 
Stigma. 

487
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320
White men. 
Involved in that though, to be 

488
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,360
like, Oh no, this is like, I 
mean, is that what it comes down

489
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,800
to? 
Yeah, I mean, it's like the 

490
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,080
convergence between science and 
psychology and for a long time, 

491
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240
like. 
I just feel like we're back to 

492
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,880
like measuring people's skulls 
to determine their like, 

493
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,000
intelligence at that. 
Point well, we've moved from 

494
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,280
more of a medical model of 
classifying people and 

495
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,560
qualifying people and not 
considering the actual human 

496
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,720
being. 
And we've moved to a much more 

497
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,320
person centered approach to 
treating people from a mental 

498
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,960
health perspective. 
So like what started as more 

499
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,160
medical model has migrated to 
like the mental health world 

500
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,840
that we know today, which is 
that we don't stigmatize, we 

501
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,080
destigmatize by talking about 
the prevalence of mental health 

502
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,800
issues and the normalcy around 
seeking treatment for it and the

503
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,320
benefits of therapy. 
And if it's in your cocktail, 

504
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,800
adding medication and 
psychopharmacology. 

505
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,240
Like we normalize these things 
now, societally speaking, so 

506
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,600
that there is less stigma around
it. 

507
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,880
However, again, like, you know, 
we're referencing another period

508
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,200
in time where if you could, this
is also when women were 

509
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,080
hysterical. 
So just drug them, you know what

510
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:31,400
I mean? 
The. 

511
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Hysteria of women. 
I mean, we talked about that. 

512
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,120
It's any way to oppress a group.
I mean, quite Simply put, this 

513
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,640
is oppression of the LGBT 
community. 

514
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Like make it a mental illness, 
call them crazy, lock them up. 

515
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,160
Yeah. 
Well, I'll, I'll give you a 

516
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920
little bit more on that. 
So over the previous years of 

517
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,640
that 1950s study, more than 4380
gay men and women were 

518
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,120
discharged from the military and
around 500 were fired from their

519
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,920
jobs in the government. 
This purging will become known 

520
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:05,000
as the quote Lavender scare. 
And the Lavender scare is a play

521
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,800
on words from the McCarthyism of
the Red Scare of the Communist 

522
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:16,640
Red Scare of the 1950s. 
So in order to, to, to, to get 

523
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920
the, the, the homosexual male 
and woman out of, of government 

524
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,160
employment, they went around and
did exactly that where they went

525
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,600
and looked into people's 
backgrounds and would follow 

526
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:36,280
them in cars and like determine 
that their sexuality from afar. 

527
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Or sometimes planting devices in
their homes to find out. 

528
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,040
Or breaking in at night after 
maybe they were out, you know, 

529
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,240
at a club or out to dinner to 
search their home. 

530
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,480
Well, before I said invasive, 
but Can you imagine how 

531
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,920
terrifying it must have been on 
the on the receiving end? 

532
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,240
You know there is. 
Speaking of hysteria, like these

533
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,240
are the kinds of things that 
cause paranoia, hysteria, and 

534
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,360
psychotic breaks in a person. 
Like feeling like you're being 

535
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,000
followed feeling. 
Like actors who were part of the

536
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Red Scare of the McCarthy area, 
but they were also involved in 

537
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,120
this lavender scare where they 
were being shamed and shunned by

538
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,200
Hollywood after act. 
You know, studios found out, Oh,

539
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,840
we've got a gay man on. 
Our Oh, absolutely I read AI 

540
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,040
actually read a book It's 
historical fiction sort of I 

541
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,560
mean meaning like if they 
reference periods like the 

542
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,160
1950s, they bring up themes that
were present in the 1950s and 

543
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,320
it's a really, really, really 
good book. 

544
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,560
I will not name drop on this 
podcast 'cause I could fangirl 

545
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680
on the side on a whole separate 
episode on someone else's 

546
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,480
podcast about books, but it was 
about Hollywood, like in the 

547
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,200
1950s. 
And the whole central theme of 

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,800
this book, without giving it 
away, that's why I won't share 

549
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,040
the title, is that the main 
character's gay and, you know, 

550
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,320
has to cycle through marrying 
men in order to keep that under 

551
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,680
wraps. 
And even in like, old age still 

552
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,160
hadn't come from a place where 
it was normalized to come out, 

553
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,200
so to speak. 
So like in death, like took it 

554
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,920
with them kind of thing. 
So, yeah, it was, it was heavy 

555
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,040
subject matter, but like just 
the sacrifices that were made 

556
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,680
and like choices that had to be 
made. 

557
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,440
It was a different time for 
sure. 

558
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,880
It was a time where you can tell
like society was afraid of this 

559
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,720
and and of this becoming a 
thing. 

560
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:32,040
Yeah, I was reading one another.
I forget her name, but there was

561
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,600
another story that was a part of
this, the early phases of the 

562
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,800
gay rights movement and also the
LGBTQ like like the whole 

563
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,480
spectrum. 
It was a really, really 

564
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,280
interesting story about this. 
He was, he transitioned male to 

565
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,400
female. 
So she had to go to I think it 

566
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440
was the Netherlands or somewhere
in Europe to get this 

567
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
transitional surgery taken care 
of. 

568
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,640
So I was, yeah. 
So I'm, I'm reading this story 

569
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,200
about, about this woman who 
who's, you know, goes over to to

570
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,320
England or not England, 
somewhere in Europe. 

571
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
I, I forget exactly where. 
Maybe the maybe in the 

572
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,640
Netherlands doesn't matter. 
And while she is going through 

573
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,040
the process of, you know, 
expressing herself the way she 

574
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,160
feels comfortable, the American 
media starts writing like 

575
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,600
essentially hit pieces on her. 
And in order to like, she stayed

576
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,240
in in Europe for a bit was like,
but once she started reading 

577
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,200
these stories about her, she was
like, well, fuck this. 

578
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,120
Like, I'm not standing for this.
So she calls up a bunch of like 

579
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,800
journalists and has her have has
them meet her at the airport as 

580
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,440
she's getting off. 
And it's basically like the red 

581
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,440
carpet gets rolled out. 
Like it becomes like a a 

582
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,960
celebrity moment more than so 
she like changed the narrative 

583
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,080
and it was just like, you know, 
taking it back from the people 

584
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,400
who were trying to make her feel
bad. 

585
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,560
And it was like, good for you 
like that. 

586
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,080
It just, it was like a feel good
story around this. 

587
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360
But so the government 
intentionally targeted gay and 

588
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,400
gay men and women, trans men and
women and anyone who could have 

589
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,000
been seen as an ally to those 
communities. 

590
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,400
So they really were going out of
their way to fire these people, 

591
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,680
get rid of them, purge them from
the government. 

592
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:26,600
And our government seems to have
always been out for LGBTQ folks 

593
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,880
and people who would act as 
support systems for them when 

594
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480
they were coming out, when 
they're expressing themselves. 

595
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,600
And after the break, we're going
to be discussing A pivotal book 

596
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,680
movement and also what our 
current administration is doing 

597
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,320
to kind of take us back to when 
America was quote great. 

598
00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:07,490
We're back, Judy. 
Let's talk about Stonewall for a

599
00:34:07,490 --> 00:34:09,010
moment. 
And I, I know that this is going

600
00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:10,929
to be a little bit of a 
refresher for you since you know

601
00:34:10,929 --> 00:34:13,050
about it. 
Stonewall has been described as 

602
00:34:13,050 --> 00:34:15,530
the Rosa Parks moment for the 
gay rights movement. 

603
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,280
And just as Mrs. Park's refusal 
to give up her seat on the bus 

604
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,520
in Alabama to a white man had 
the effect of animating the 

605
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,320
civil rights movement for 14 
years before, so Stonewall 

606
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,239
electrified the push for gay 
equality In the 1960s America, 

607
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,920
gay and lesbians were 
effectively outlaws, living in 

608
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,320
secrecy and fear. 
As you can remember, the 1950s, 

609
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,040
they were basically forced to 
They were labeled as insane by 

610
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
doctors, immoral by religious 
leaders, unemployable by the 

611
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,800
government, predatory by TV 
broadcasts, and criminal by 

612
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,560
police. 
At the time of the uprising, 

613
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,800
consensual sex, sexual relations
between men or between women 

614
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,920
were illegal in every state with
the exception of Illinois. 

615
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,760
Yeah, who knew? 
So gay people could not work for

616
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,000
the federal government or the 
military, and coming out would 

617
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,440
deny you a license in many 
professions, including 

618
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,760
practicing law or medicine, 
which is. 

619
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,920
That's wild. 
Madness. 

620
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:18,080
That's wild. 
Like that is in the 1960s, like 

621
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,120
your your parents, my parents 
were alive when being gay you 

622
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640
couldn't work as a doctor. 
That's only 60 some years ago. 

623
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Our. 
Our parents were alive and it's 

624
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,880
it's, it just doesn't make any 
sense. 

625
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Well, of course it doesn't make 
any sense to us, right? 

626
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,800
But back then, to those people, 
it must have made all the sense 

627
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:37,640
in. 
The world do oak. 

628
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,960
They're do oak, they say. 
I like your impression. 

629
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,040
That was. 
Bad. 

630
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,360
You sounded like Grimace. 
Do. 

631
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,400
Oak. 
Do oak. 

632
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:54,040
Like a bullfrog. 
River, You know, I'll just stick

633
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,760
to, you know, I'll stick to my 
own voice. 

634
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,280
I'll leave. 
The. 

635
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,200
I'll leave the impressions to 
you. 

636
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,920
So the laws in New York State 
were particular, particularly 

637
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,600
punitive, despite or perhaps 
partially in response to a 

638
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,280
growing number. 
Remember I was telling you about

639
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,280
this. 
In the 1920s, a growing number 

640
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,880
of gay men and women moving to 
New York City from across the 

641
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840
United States. 
Thousands were arrested each 

642
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,600
year in the city for crimes 
against nature, solicitation or 

643
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,800
lewd behavior. 
Some had their names published 

644
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,040
in newspapers, which meant they 
lost their jobs, so they were 

645
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,160
doxxed. 
Like, this is like the early 

646
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,320
version of doxing, right? 
Even what you were you wore was 

647
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,800
policed. 
Fewer than three pieces of 

648
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
clothing deemed appropriate to 
your gender could put you in 

649
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,440
handcuffs. 
What the fuck does that mean? 

650
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,400
So, you know, a, we're going to 
forgive the stereotyping moment 

651
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,360
here, right? 
But like, this is very something

652
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:58,480
that came up in my research 
about like leather and like BDSM

653
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
type outfits. 
And if you were caught wearing 

654
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,880
them at night, walking through 
the streets of New York City, 

655
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,040
you could be arrested. 
Assless chaps. 

656
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,160
Yeah, Basically, yeah. 
Yeah. 

657
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,080
There is a huge amount of anger 
in the gay community because gay

658
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,200
people had no political power to
prevent this. 

659
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,360
It was like a keg of dynamite 
was waiting to ignite. 

660
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Per professor at Yale Law 
School, young gay men and women 

661
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,560
didn't want to write letters to 
counselors, counselors to enact 

662
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,400
change or sign petitions. 
Instead they took their cue from

663
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,360
the anti war movement, the Black
Power movement and those who are

664
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,080
pushing for women's liberation. 
Their strategy was simple, go to

665
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,560
the streets and make trouble. 
Attack, Attack, attack. 

666
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,840
Wow, that sounds, gosh, so 
familiar. 

667
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,240
Why? 
What's happening? 

668
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Yeah. 
Why does this feel familiar? 

669
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,440
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

670
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,920
But in 1969, actually today, in 
1969. 

671
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,000
June 28th. 
About six officers, including 

672
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,200
those who led the NYPD's Public 
Moral Division, went into the 

673
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,880
bar that Stonewall. 
There were undercover colleagues

674
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,000
there, and they were already 
inside. 

675
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,120
So when the lights come up and 
the music stops, the police 

676
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:19,920
instruct everybody in the bar, 
get your I DS out. 

677
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,200
And as you're giving us your I 
DS, get the fuck out, right? 

678
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,840
So ejected patrons spilled out 
onto the streets. 

679
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,360
And according to eyewitnesses, 
at first the atmosphere was 

680
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520
festive. 
People were laughing and joking.

681
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,360
They were coming out of the bar 
and striking poses and shit. 

682
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,920
Like, very. 
RuPaul's Drag Race on is like 

683
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,800
what I'm imagining in my mind, 
right? 

684
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Dramatic exit. 
Yes, but according to reports, 

685
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,320
some of the lesbian customers 
were being harassed and bullied 

686
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,520
by the male police officers 
inside the bar. 

687
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,760
Then the mood outside changed 
when they heard that these women

688
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,680
were being bullied and they were
being handled roughly by the 

689
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,240
police. 
And as one person is one woman's

690
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,200
being put into a squad car, 
they're handling her pretty 

691
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,560
roughly. 
And people start to throw 

692
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,600
pennies and quarters at the 
police and that soon turns into 

693
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:20,360
bottles and rocks. 
And when you exert force against

694
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,320
the people who are already 
exerting force, all of a sudden,

695
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,080
well, you're not allowed to do 
that to us. 

696
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,080
We're the only ones allowed to 
exert force, so things start to 

697
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,840
escalate. 
The police retreat inside and 

698
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,840
they begin beating up the people
inside the bar who haven't left 

699
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,960
yet as I guess kind of like a 
retaliation for what's happening

700
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,720
outside. 
A rubbish bin is thrown through 

701
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:49,400
the window and a lighter flute 
was a used to ignite projectile 

702
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,000
so Molotov cocktails are flying 
through the air at this point. 

703
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,440
Parking meter was literally 
ripped out of the ground and 

704
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:02,480
used to bash in the front door. 
It's wild to think about. 

705
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
I mean, when you and I have 
been, when was, well one, when 

706
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,440
was the last time we used a 
parking meter? 

707
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,880
Because they've got all these 
smart parking things now. 

708
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,720
I feel like one of the things we
used in the rage room last night

709
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,040
felt a little bit like swinging 
a parking meter between the 

710
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,600
sledgehammer and that other 
thing with the you know what the

711
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,920
the guy I'm talking about. 
It was a truck axle I think. 

712
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Whatever it was, it was fun. 
It was a great. 

713
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,680
Time. 
But like, you know, I mean, 

714
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,880
I've, you've, I've ran into a 
parking meter pretty drunk one 

715
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,520
night in my early 20s. 
And those fuckers do not move 

716
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,560
like that is like a one way 
ticket to, to Hurtsville. 

717
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,160
So they RIP a fucking, they RIP 
one out of the ground and they 

718
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,840
start beating down the door. 
And according to one of the 

719
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,840
participants, it was just this 
emotional adrenaline craze 

720
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,760
moment, completely irrational. 
There was a mob spirit. 

721
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,600
God knows I would never have 
kicked a policeman, he says, if 

722
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,080
he was alone. 
But they were finally fighting 

723
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,400
back. 
And it was exhilarating. 

724
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,680
So you know how you been alone 
by himself, probably he's not 

725
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,480
going out and, you know, doing 
this. 

726
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,920
But because the moment like, gin
them up to get to that place, 

727
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,520
like they're, they're, they're 
finally fighting back. 

728
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,960
And riot police finally arrive 
to rescue their colleagues. 

729
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
But the violence went on before 
it subsided. 

730
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,760
At least one police officer was 
treated in hospital for a head 

731
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,320
wound, and 13 demonstrators were
arrested. 

732
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:31,080
That battle was over. 
But some of those present knew 

733
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,640
nothing would be the same again 
the following night, a larger 

734
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,440
crowd showed up, helped partly, 
perhaps by, you know, a message 

735
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,520
that was written in chalk on the
sidewalk the night before. 

736
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,840
And it said Stonewall. 
And so that be kind of, kind of 

737
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,880
became a rallying cry for those 
who were in the neighborhood. 

738
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,280
I believe it's in Greenwich 
Village if I think that's where 

739
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,360
it's at. 
But it was more violent the next

740
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,000
night. 
It was much more violent and the

741
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,120
police took a much more muscular
approach using tear gas. 

742
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,840
And you know, again, the night 
before they were lighting trash 

743
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,720
cans on fire. 
They were doing the exact same 

744
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,800
thing the following night. 
The protesters or, or the 

745
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,080
rioters. 
But the, this uprising wasn't 

746
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,240
just a one or night two night 
thing. 

747
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,560
It continued for another 4 
nights. 

748
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,840
So it's not like it was just a 
one day, one night like kind of 

749
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,920
situation. 
This was four nights of rioting 

750
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:29,320
and I never heard about it in my
history classes. 

751
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,280
It's. 
Like a like a music festival 

752
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,800
that just kept going. 
Except it wasn't a music 

753
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,680
festival at all. 
Yeah, yeah. 

754
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,920
I mean, you know, getting back 
to our earlier conversation 

755
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,320
about like, what you didn't 
learn in high school, like this 

756
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,120
is like, this is a this is 
something that you would see 

757
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,960
being played out in the in in 
city streets of America today 

758
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,360
for violating our civil rights. 
And you're living it. 

759
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,280
You're going oh, my God. 
Yeah. 

760
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,840
Like, you know, fight the power.
But like I I can only imagine if

761
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,200
I'd known about this as a kid, 
like how much more understanding

762
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
what I have been to to the gay 
calls and into the gay civil 

763
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,760
rights movement as a child. 
Well, we'll find out because if 

764
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,800
you recall, just about two weeks
ago we had a national day of no 

765
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:23,120
King's protests and roughly 
somewhere between 9 and 13 

766
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,000
million, all of which I've heard
quoted. 

767
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,480
People turned out across the 
country in various 

768
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,560
demonstrations to protest our 
civil rights. 

769
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,160
So I guess we'll see what 
happens in the curriculum in 

770
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,200
about. 
Yeah, yeah, in. 

771
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,680
About 40, forty, 5060 years from
now. 

772
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,480
Well, hopefully we're still 
around. 

773
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,200
I'd be interested to see what 
happens in 10. 

774
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,080
Yeah, I mean, even in five. 
Yeah, but the question on many 

775
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,360
minds of those who were there 
that night were what comes next,

776
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,960
right. 
Like what I think one of the 

777
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,600
things that you were just 
talking about with the new kings

778
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:02,120
thing is like, all right, yeah, 
we we were able to mobilize as 

779
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,360
as a country, but what what 
happens next? 

780
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Like we took some action, but 
like what's the on the ground 

781
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,000
thing that's going to happen to 
actually force the chain? 

782
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,720
What's the forcing mechanism 
here, right? 

783
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,840
And a lot of people who were at 
Stonewall the night had the 

784
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,360
exact same question. 
And you know, I want to kind of,

785
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:24,000
I'm going to skip over a lot 
here because I, we, I want to 

786
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
bring us forward to today 
because I think today's 

787
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,280
discussion reflects this moment 
quite a bit. 

788
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,280
But in the time between 
Stonewall and today, the 

789
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,040
community has seen protections 
put in place, frankly, right? 

790
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,760
Like there has been progress 
made there right for the LGBT 

791
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,200
community. 
Not an exceptional amount, but 

792
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,600
like steps. 
Well, I mean, just two days ago 

793
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:48,200
we hit the anniversary of 10 
years since Barack Obama had it 

794
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,720
signed, you know, into and the. 
Supreme Court backed it up and 

795
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,480
on the. 
Court backed marriage equality 

796
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,760
across the country, and we're 
currently, just a decade later, 

797
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,880
seeing those protections 
dismantling under threat. 

798
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,040
Yeah. 
And you know, there are people 

799
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,560
who would say, well, hey, look, 
not enough was done between 

800
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Stonewall and today. 
And I don't think that they're 

801
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,600
wrong. 
But you know those gains are 

802
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,920
under threat, as you mentioned 
even. 

803
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,200
Just the normalization of Pride 
Month and the and the 

804
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,800
demonstrations of of Pride 
celebrations across the country 

805
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:24,600
is is an enormous leap compared 
to where we were 60 some years 

806
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,120
ago. 
Oh, for sure, for sure. 

807
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,560
And I think that visibility 
matters. 

808
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,600
And I think that that is 
something that you see in media 

809
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,480
especially, right like. 
And so I think that there are, 

810
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,560
there had been just like there 
had been, right? 

811
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,120
There's been positive movement 
on the black civil rights 

812
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,920
movement and where we are from 
the 1960s to today. 

813
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,960
Like it's very different world 
for Black folks in the country, 

814
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,040
but in so many ways it's also 
not. 

815
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,240
And I feel like that's also the 
way for the women's rights 

816
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:54,560
movement. 
I feel like that's the way it is

817
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,240
for the LGBTQ community. 
Like there have been steps and 

818
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,880
for every one step there's the 
two steps back kind of 

819
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,400
situation. 
Turns out woke is synonymous 

820
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,720
with progress, and it is one of 
the greater threats to our 

821
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:15,200
society because there's just so 
many people still disappointedly

822
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,280
so, that are afraid of of things
that they don't understand or 

823
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,880
that they can't relate to, which
is madding to know that like it,

824
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,760
we're 60, nearly 60 years 
removed from this, but we are 

825
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,080
almost in a in a worse place 
now. 

826
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,560
Well, yeah, because of the 
Supreme Court this month alone 

827
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,200
ruled that Tennessee ban on 
gender affirming care for minors

828
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,800
is constitutional. 
And you know, which is surely 

829
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,040
going to be seen as the 
president as, you know, 

830
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,720
precedent rather for making 
more, you know, for ruling in 

831
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:51,800
the favor of, you know, more 
conservative views on sexuality 

832
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,040
all across our country, but 
especially coming out the red 

833
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,440
parts of it. 
You know, hate crimes are still 

834
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,200
being carried out against the 
gay community. 

835
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,760
And I'm thinking back to the 
Pulse nightclub shooting, where 

836
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,120
a murderer shot and killed 38 
people and injured 58 others, 

837
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,320
which amounts to being one of 
the deadliest mass shootings in 

838
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,080
American history. 
Was that in Colorado? 

839
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,120
That was the one in. 
Orlando. 

840
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,880
Orlando. 
Sorry. 

841
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Well, the Colorado Springs 
shooting was another. 

842
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:17,880
Yeah, that was at a gay club as 
well. 

843
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,600
Yeah, and it's. 
Like in a very like small town, 

844
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,600
relatively speaking. 
Like we visited there about 6 

845
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,320
years ago and I think that that 
happened after our visit. 

846
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,960
It's a very conservative town 
too, because of the military 

847
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,720
presence. 
It's there. 

848
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,640
Yeah. 
You know, it. 

849
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,640
It really does disappoint you to
think about it in the in that 

850
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,120
way of yes, there have been 
gains made in the community for 

851
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,520
equality, or at least on paper, 
but they still live under threat

852
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,880
on a daily basis for just being 
who they are. 

853
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,160
It's wild to think about the 
impact on the healthcare 

854
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,120
community because you would 
think that that would be one of 

855
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,840
the most protected spaces to 
keep things like this safe for 

856
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,960
people. 
Like people need a place to come

857
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
to not only impact the issues 
that are related to being a part

858
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,240
of this marginalized group, but 
also work through their identity

859
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:11,440
stuff, you know, and also 
receive just and fair healthcare

860
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,040
and treatment and gender 
affirming care and all of the 

861
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,400
things that are just basic human
rights and protections. 

862
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,920
And that's, I think the hardest 
thing to wrap my brain around 

863
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,440
has been the impact on the 
healthcare community and how 

864
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,000
that could continue to dismantle
as well, which is a really 

865
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,080
terrifying thought. 
Incredibly terrifying. 

866
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,080
And that brings us to today. 
The Trump administration is 

867
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,680
doing a bang up job of not 
protecting A statistically 

868
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,920
higher risk group of people for 
suicide, young LGBT kids. 

869
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Next month, the Trump 
administration will end 

870
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,440
specialized support for the 988 
National Suicide Prevention 

871
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Hotline for young queer 
children, a group that has 

872
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,440
disproportionately higher rates 
of suicide than any other group 

873
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,240
with the exception of Native 
Americans in our country. 

874
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:06,440
The administration said the 
hotline will no longer silo LGB.

875
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:13,840
They purposely left out the T&Q 
in their statement focusing on 

876
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:19,320
serving all seek helper seeking 
to help all callers versus just 

877
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,840
LGBTQ kids. 
So what I want to support and 

878
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,160
supplement by saying is that 
I've spent a lot of time 

879
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,880
researching the efforts of 988 
and the impact that it's had 

880
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,000
since the hotline went live in 
2022. 

881
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,640
We're coming up on three years 
and each year they do a survey 

882
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,840
of how they have been doing, 
what their impact has been, how 

883
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,440
people are utilizing the 
service, how often people are 

884
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,040
calling in. 
And there was a surplus of calls

885
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:59,120
that flooded that use LGBTQIA 
plus portion of of the helpline.

886
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,560
The reality is, is that what 
probably happened is that call 

887
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,120
centers were cut and staffing 
were cut just like everywhere 

888
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,680
else where we've seen cuts. 
Because what the Biden Harris 

889
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,480
administration did was pour a 
fuck ton of money. 

890
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,360
I don't know the exact figure 
off the top of my head, but 

891
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:23,600
something to the tune of like 
$2.5 billion into the 988 call 

892
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,520
centers and the funding for 
that, which made it more robust 

893
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,440
and and more readily available 
for not just suicidal ideation, 

894
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,520
but other mental health crises. 
And just you need to talk to 

895
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,440
somebody 24/7. 
You can dial 911 for your mental

896
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,600
health 988. 
The numbers are next next to 

897
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,120
each other on the phone and you 
can reach somebody who's 

898
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,720
available to talk to you right 
now. 

899
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,360
Right. 
And that's interesting that you 

900
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,680
bring that up because the PBS 
report that I was reading about 

901
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,200
it actually backs up that. 
And I'm going to give you a 

902
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,680
little bit more numbers to it, 
but is exactly what you were 

903
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,000
saying here, here, quote, since 
the line launched, including in 

904
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,840
that pilot phase, there have 
been over 1.3 million contacts 

905
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,880
to the service. 
And that includes phone calls, 

906
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,480
chats and texts. 
There are two reasons the 

907
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,080
administration is saying that 
the line is being cut. 

908
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,440
The 1st is that 988 overall can,
quote, handle the calls that 

909
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
LGBTQ service would have 
received. 

910
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:19,560
And the second is that the 
administration is saying that 

911
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,960
the service is fostering gender 
ideology beliefs young among 

912
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,160
young people and trying to 
convince young people of gender 

913
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,480
ideologies. 
There it is. 

914
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,360
And that is patently not what's 
happening here. 

915
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,600
When somebody calls that line, 
they're calling the line because

916
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,840
they're in crisis and the line 
is helping to resolve that 

917
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,880
moment for that individual. 
I guarantee that any of the 

918
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,280
individuals that are making the 
decisions to make these cuts 

919
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,960
have never in their life and 
will never in their life have 

920
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,080
the experience of talking to 
someone who's on the brink of 

921
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,480
taking their lives. 
And until you have that 

922
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,520
experience, until you are 
trained in what to say and what 

923
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,400
to do and the importance of what
you say and do that is so 

924
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,400
critical that it can literally 
save a life, then you can fuck 

925
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,120
right off because you don't know
what you're talking about. 

926
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,760
And these marginalized groups 
cannot afford to lose any 

927
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,240
further benefits, services or 
care than what they are 

928
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,880
currently receiving. 
Yeah, no, I agree with you 100% 

929
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,720
because again, it is one of the 
highest risk groups in our 

930
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,560
country. 
On multiple levels, like if you 

931
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,760
want to further like slice and 
dice the communities, I'm sure 

932
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,200
within the communities that 
you're going to find even more 

933
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:39,520
at risk age groups, you know, 
particular like classifications,

934
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:45,040
you know, like it's so specific,
but I just, I can't not mention 

935
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,800
the vulnerability of the trans 
community and the and the safety

936
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,000
threats currently like posed to 
that specific community. 

937
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,480
But when you think about trans 
youth, you are literally talking

938
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,840
about the most vulnerable people
out there. 

939
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,400
And I've got 2 clips of of Trump
and I would like to transport 

940
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,200
you back to 2016 when Trump was 
only less slightly fat. 

941
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,680
Decline. 
I don't wish to. 

942
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,000
You have a Twitter question? 
Yeah, we're getting thousands of

943
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,240
questions on Twitter, Mr. Trump.
I picked 1 here. 

944
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,200
This is from Jessica Hershey, 
Toms River, NJ I'll just read it

945
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,720
as a quote on a hot button issue
here. 

946
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:27,000
Mr. Trump, please be specific. 
Tell us your views on LGBT, how 

947
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,160
you plan to be inclusive as 
president. 

948
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,360
Speak about North Carolina 
bathroom law in particular. 

949
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,480
Oh, I had a feeling that 
question was going to come up. 

950
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
I will tell you. 
Well, look, North Carolina did 

951
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,760
something was very strong, and 
they're paying a big price and 

952
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,120
there's a lot of problems. 
And I heard one of the best 

953
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,800
answers I heard was from a 
commentator yesterday saying 

954
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,160
leave it the way it is right 
now. 

955
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:51,280
There have been not very few 
problems. 

956
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,160
Leave it the way it is. 
North Carolina, they're going 

957
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,760
through with all of the business
that's leaving and all of the 

958
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,840
strife and, and that's on both 
sides. 

959
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,240
You leave it the way it is. 
There have been very few 

960
00:54:01,240 --> 00:54:05,200
complaints the way it is. 
People go, they use the bathroom

961
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,720
that they feel is appropriate. 
There has been so little 

962
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,640
trouble. 
And the problem with what 

963
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,520
happened in North Carolina is 
the strife and the the economic,

964
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,000
I mean the economic punishment 
that they're taking. 

965
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,200
So I. 
Would say that's proper people 

966
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,240
working in your organization. 
I don't know. 

967
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,160
I really don't know. 
I probably do. 

968
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:23,800
I really don't. 
So. 

969
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,360
So if Caitlyn Jenner were to 
walk into Trump Tower and want 

970
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,800
to use the bathroom, you would 
be fine with her using any 

971
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,760
bathroom she chooses. 
That is correct. 

972
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:44,040
So that is a pretty interesting 
reply from The Donald, as they 

973
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,040
call him. 
Damn tits. 

974
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,200
And I really enjoy that, that 
you're calling him that. 

975
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,840
And so I want to read a clip, 
not a clip. 

976
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,360
I want to read an article, piece
of an article from the AP. 

977
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,760
And it it says this. 
Inside the White House, there's 

978
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,480
little second guessing about 
what the president's stances 

979
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,760
are. 
Trump AIDS have pointed out 

980
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,680
their decision to seize on 
culture war surrounding 

981
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,640
transgender rights during the 
2024 campaign as a key to their 

982
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,720
win. 
They poured money into ads aimed

983
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,960
at young men, especially young 
Hispanic men, attacking 

984
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,080
Democratic nominee Kamala Harris
for supporting taxpayer funded 

985
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,120
sex changes for prisoners, 
including one spot that aired on

986
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,560
the during football games. 
He said in the ad. 

987
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,880
Kamala is for they them. 
President Trump is for you. 

988
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,720
After the 2016 video that we 
just watched of him saying that 

989
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,040
he would have no problem with 
transgender people using their 

990
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,480
bathrooms, it's either he's had 
one fucking ridiculous 180 or he

991
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,920
was lying the entire time. 
Well, he lies about everything, 

992
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,280
so that's really not super hard 
to believe. 

993
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,440
But we know we know one thing 
about him, right? 

994
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,520
It's the base of a lot of 
arguments around who is more 

995
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,320
dangerous. 
And what we know about him is 

996
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:10,800
that he's like, he's like a, 
like a cattail blowing in the 

997
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,680
wind, Like he's, he's spineless.
He goes where the money is. 

998
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,400
He goes where the support is. 
He goes where the cause is. 

999
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:18,960
That's going to be the most 
extreme. 

1000
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,200
That's going to cause the most 
chaos. 

1001
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,440
So of course he's going to sway 
his views on abortion, on 

1002
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,280
transgender bathrooms and which 
ones they can use and can't use.

1003
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,200
He's going to hop on the train 
of like, you know, thank God we 

1004
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,760
got all those trans kids out of 
out of sports that they don't 

1005
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,800
belong in, you know, but you 
know, is he's really quiet on 

1006
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,240
like some other real big issues 
that actually the American 

1007
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:45,160
people care about. 
Yeah, I agree with that. 

1008
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,640
And, you know, earlier this year
when he, after he was 

1009
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,080
inaugurated, he, I don't know if
you're like the remember the 

1010
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,720
flurry of executive orders that 
he was putting out about, you 

1011
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,640
know, especially transgender 
youth especially. 

1012
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,560
It happened on like day one. 
Transgender soldiers, if you 

1013
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:01,640
recall. 
Oh yeah. 

1014
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,600
When listening to this clip, 
just think back to the 1920s and

1015
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,960
the 1950s when they were purging
the government of transgender 

1016
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,320
people. 
It'll be historic. 

1017
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,680
Hey, Peter, going back to when 
you were talking about how 

1018
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,640
Donald Trump revoked the Biden 
policy allowing trans people to 

1019
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,080
serve in the armed forces, the 
number of trans people in the 

1020
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,240
Armed Services right now, I know
there was an NIH study or 

1021
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,600
estimate done like five years 
ago at 8000. 

1022
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,040
Who knows how many there are, 
there are today. 

1023
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,440
What are what's going to happen 
to those people? 

1024
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,640
It sounds like once Pete Hegseth
comes up with the new policy, 

1025
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,400
they are going to be discharged.
And it's not essentially what 

1026
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,720
the argument is in the fact 
sheet that we were given about 

1027
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,160
that executive order. 
President Trump does not think 

1028
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,000
the transgender people are 
physically or mentally stable 

1029
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,800
enough to serve in the armed 
forces. 

1030
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,760
And they specifically cite 
readiness with transition 

1031
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,080
surgeries. 
If you have a transition 

1032
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,320
surgery, the recovery time and 
the narcotics that you have to 

1033
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,600
be on as part of the process 
could affect your readiness for 

1034
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,040
up to 12 months. 
They. 

1035
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:21,440
I would like to go back to the 
1950s when we were. 

1036
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,360
Just I would not actually. 
Discussing this decline just a 

1037
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,840
little bit ago, when the 
argument was mentally stable, 

1038
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,880
they're they're not. 
It was classified as a mental 

1039
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,960
illness. 
Right. 

1040
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,440
But I guess what I mean to say 
is like. 

1041
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,680
And sexual predator predatory 
behavior. 

1042
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,360
Sex perverts in the government. 
Right. 

1043
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,880
So again, back to the 1950s 
article, the article about the 

1044
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,000
report that came out from the 
Senate about the employment of 

1045
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,240
homosexuals and other sex 
perverts in the government. 

1046
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,000
And they are not able to, they, 
they don't, they lack the 

1047
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,960
emotional stability of normal 
persons. 

1048
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,440
And I wanted to return back to 
that because again, they 

1049
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:06,160
discharged from the military 
five, 44,380 men and women, gay 

1050
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,600
men and women. 
And we are doing a great job of 

1051
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,640
going back to those, those 
moments in our, in our, in our 

1052
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,800
history that your parents and my
parents were around for. 

1053
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,480
And we're saying, you know what,
that feels like a lot better of 

1054
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,880
a time when people are being, 
you know, when we were shrinking

1055
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,240
the size of our military to make
it less effective, that there's 

1056
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,560
not been any study that's ever 
come out that I, that I know of 

1057
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,920
at least that is reputable. 
That would indicate that trans 

1058
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,600
people being in the military has
a negative effect on morale and 

1059
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,280
the effectiveness of the killing
force. 

1060
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,160
I just, if we're just thinking 
about this like through like 

1061
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,280
just the, like the pure 
logistics of it, it makes no 

1062
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,240
sense. 
If we're thinking about it like 

1063
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,360
through the human part of it, 
it's fucking brutal. 

1064
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,600
It's brutal to do that to people
who want to serve their nation. 

1065
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,600
They're they're not there to 
make a political stance. 

1066
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,440
They're there to do the thing 
that they feel called to do, 

1067
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,880
which is to protect the land 
that we all live in. 

1068
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,600
You know, that's supposed to be 
the land of the free and home of

1069
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,160
the brave. 
Except if you're the wrong sex, 

1070
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:26,760
the wrong you know. 
A part of the rainbow that they 

1071
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,560
don't like it's. 
The biggest scamming cult out 

1072
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,960
there. 
It's horrible, It's horrible. 

1073
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,320
They promise you the world if 
you just sign this piece of 

1074
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,480
paper and give your life over in
service and you're the ultimate 

1075
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,640
servant. 
And when they can slice and dice

1076
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,280
among the servants, you know, 
like. 

1077
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,040
It's giving 1950s for me. 
That's all I can say. 

1078
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,760
Yeah. 
So there's been a clear shift in

1079
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,640
Trump's position in his stance, 
or at least to what he 

1080
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,320
verbalized in 2016. 
And the likes of Musk, Vance and

1081
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,800
other anti-gay and anti trans 
personnel in his cabinet have 

1082
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,560
helped to pull him and the 
Republican policies even further

1083
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,720
to the right. 
And those attitudes are 

1084
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,840
reflected in recent polling data
from Gallup. 

1085
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,960
Actually, I looked this up 
Monday of this week. 

1086
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,360
So this is very, very recent 
Republican support for gay 

1087
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,880
marriage has coincided with 
Trump's seeming reversal on his 

1088
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,640
support for LGBTQ folks, with 
only 41% of of Republicans in 

1089
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,920
America in support of gay 
marriage. 

1090
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,760
And again, what is it you said? 
This is the 10 year anniversary.

1091
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,880
And while 88% of Democrats and 
68% of overall adults support 

1092
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,000
gay marriage in the country, 
that data set, while incomplete,

1093
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,240
shed some light on what's 
happening in our country. 

1094
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,360
The GOP is devolving. 
It's falling behind the rest of 

1095
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,640
America when it comes to gay and
lesbian marriages. 

1096
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:03,040
And I think that that is more of
an indication of where we are in

1097
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,560
this country on just about every
single issue. 

1098
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:14,480
If we were to look at Stonewall,
you know, Mr. Gerber, that we 

1099
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:20,680
talked about the 1950s and 1960s
purges of, of gay and homosexual

1100
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:25,080
people from our military, from 
civil services, the way that 

1101
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,120
they have categorized 
historically categorized gay and

1102
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,000
lesbian people as being mentally
ill and have done their very 

1103
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,320
best to ostracize them from our 
society. 

1104
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,080
We're the Republican Party, it 
seems at least, is doing its 

1105
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,160
very best to take us back to 
that period of time. 

1106
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:51,440
And I it really frustrates me. 
The hard part is like, it's like

1107
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,800
a which hard period of time 
because there have been several 

1108
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,360
and the most recently you know 
being like around 1969. 

1109
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,720
And after that, we found a 
little bit of reprieve and a 

1110
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,440
little bit of, you know, the 
sexual freedom era of, you know,

1111
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:10,080
what followed, I guess that, you
know, began in the 60s, but, you

1112
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,320
know. 
The free love movement or 

1113
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,840
whatever it was, Yeah, sure. 
Well, then we had the the 

1114
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,360
emergence of, you know, the AIDS
epidemic in the 80s and that was

1115
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,400
also a really tough time for 
this community. 

1116
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:29,440
So it's just, it's cyclical, but
it is also very much consistent 

1117
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,200
theme is people in charge and 
the people making policies. 

1118
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,040
Because when you strip 
protections like the impact that

1119
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,240
stripping, you know, like 
funding from Planned Parenthood 

1120
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,920
will have on the greater good. 
This is like the common 

1121
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,280
misconception is that Planned 
Parenthood is just funding 

1122
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,520
abortions, but the reality is, 
is that it's providing life 

1123
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:53,560
saving care screenings, you 
know, like routine annual 

1124
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,080
checkups to people who otherwise
would not be able to afford 

1125
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,440
those appointments and, and that
care. 

1126
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,840
And, you know, without that 
funding like that, that has 

1127
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:06,600
significant impact on women in 
general. 

1128
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:12,120
And so it it don't think that 
it's just going towards, you 

1129
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,080
know, funding abortions. 
But Speaking of this pro-life 

1130
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,400
party, you know, like let lest 
we mention all of the different 

1131
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,720
groups of people that are dying 
right now, you know, like pick 

1132
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,800
your struggle because there are 
so many and. 

1133
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,600
If you're pro-life then you need
to be pro-life, not just 

1134
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,320
pro-life. 
That you, I think is the right 

1135
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,440
life to be pro. 
For the right life and and it as

1136
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:39,320
it relates to today and this the
historical significance of 

1137
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:49,720
today, you know, to defund the 
LGBTQ portion of the 988 crisis 

1138
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:54,360
lifeline is is abhorrent. 
You know, it's it's a piss poor 

1139
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,240
choice to strip funding away 
from a desperately needed 

1140
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,360
service because that's not very 
pro-life of you and that's shame

1141
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,960
on you. 
Shame on this party. 

1142
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:07,040
That and for anyone out there 
who is just living life as 

1143
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,440
though this doesn't impact them,
like your day is coming is is 

1144
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:11,960
all. 
You know, I don't, I don't mean 

1145
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,680
to sound all doom and gloom, and
I'm gonna, I don't. 

1146
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,880
Think it's a threat as much as 
it is like a, like I was 

1147
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:22,040
listening to a, a, a podcast or 
the political commentary earlier

1148
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,200
and they were just saying like, 
if you don't think that due 

1149
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,000
process, if you think that due 
process for one person doesn't 

1150
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,240
matter, then it eventually 
doesn't matter for anybody. 

1151
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,080
And if you don't, if they don't 
have rights, then you don't 

1152
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,600
either, because eventually it is
you. 

1153
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,040
We're watching it happen group 
to group and and day by day like

1154
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,440
we lose, we lose a little more 
each day. 

1155
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,040
And that's that's if you're not 
paying attention, then you're 

1156
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,920
missing it. 
And that's unfortunate, but open

1157
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,280
your eyes. 
It's happening. 

1158
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,400
I'll give the final thoughts and
we'll wrap up the show here. 

1159
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,160
My final thoughts are this. 
This is the kind of history that

1160
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,360
Republicans want to get rid of. 
It really is. 

1161
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:03,760
They want to get rid of the 
history that shows you just how 

1162
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,480
brutal our government can be to 
people it does not think are 

1163
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,120
valuable. 
They consider it to be woke to 

1164
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,360
know the history of abuse of 
human beings that they don't 

1165
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,720
like. 
And we on this show stand firmly

1166
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,520
with the community, the LGBTQ 
community, our brothers and 

1167
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,560
sisters, especially during 
private all year round. 

1168
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:25,960
Really, right. 
The struggle for equality will 

1169
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,520
continue. 
And it's it the what did Doctor 

1170
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,440
King say that the the arc 
towards justice is long, but 

1171
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,160
eventually it gets there. 
I'm going to link. 

1172
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,400
I'm going to provide a link to 
the Trevor Project in case you 

1173
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,120
or anyone that you know is in 
crisis with 988 being stripped 

1174
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,800
of its funding and it's, you 
know, the, the avenues for 

1175
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,640
people to, to connect. 
We need to find different 

1176
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,840
spaces. 
The Trevor Project is 100% 

1177
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,880
confidential and 100% free. 
So go to 

1178
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:04,240
thetrevorproject.org/gethelp if 
you know anybody who might or if

1179
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,160
yourself might be able to use 
it. 

1180
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,480
Judy, do you have any final 
thoughts? 

1181
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,720
Well, I want to piggyback and 
just continue to encourage 

1182
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,400
people to use 988 regardless of 
who answers the phone and what 

1183
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,320
part of the lifeline you get. 
Because if we are told that, you

1184
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,200
know, we're removing less 
specific protections and you 

1185
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,360
know, funnels through this 
lifeline, then there better 

1186
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,760
still be people who answer the 
phone. 

1187
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,640
So in, in my opinion, unless 
they're shutting the whole 

1188
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,440
hotline down, which they are 
not, then we continue to call 

1189
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,320
and use it. 
Same with your local libraries. 

1190
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,880
Same with any important 
government funded or government 

1191
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:42,880
backed service that that we 
desperately, desperately need. 

1192
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,240
Public television, public radio,
independent news sources. 

1193
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,480
Again, local libraries cannot 
stress enough, it's summer. 

1194
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,400
Summer reading. 
Go get your personal pan pizza. 

1195
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,240
Read your books. 
I've read some excellent books 

1196
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,720
this summer and I am on a I'm on
a hot streak. 

1197
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,160
Was it the Scholastic book? 
Whatever it was, was the. 

1198
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,000
School. 
That's a book fair. 

1199
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:06,000
That's a book fair, Greg. 
Oh. 

1200
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,280
Man, I used to get so many good 
calendars and things. 

1201
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,280
Don't interrupt anyway. 
Sorry, don't interrupt. 

1202
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,640
My bad. 
Didn't you do the the book it 

1203
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,760
like I don't know? 
All right, well, all right, if 

1204
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,160
you don't know what I'm talking 
about in terms of personal pan 

1205
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,560
pizzas and book reading, educate
yourself, but. 

1206
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,520
Listeners, we want to thank you 
for enjoying another episode 

1207
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,720
about the extremes. 
Do subscribe and share, it goes 

1208
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,040
a long way. 
Reach out to us on Blue Sky at 

1209
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,200
the Trees Pod, Check the show 
notes, Happy pride and until 

1210
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,439
next week. 
Educate yourself.