1 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,720 This is At the Extremes, Beloveds. 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,600 Welcome back to At the Extremes, the podcast where we discussed 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,560 the extremes in our society and how we got here. 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,480 As always, we are your hosts. I'm Greg. 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,960 And I'm Serge. And today, we are going to take 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,800 a break from the hellscape that we're all living in right now to 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,440 discuss a weird slice of American life. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,240 Not, not the NPR version, but our version. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,640 We're talking about Moorish sovereign citizens today. 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,200 But before we get into all of that, Sergio, why don't you hit 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,800 me with the silver lining? Well the silver lining is that 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,360 you didn't tell me as a Co host on the podcast just because I 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,920 was fumbling around and and so stupid on technology that I 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:55,800 couldn't figure out like my audio. 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,400 So thank you for staying up late. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,200 I know you you normally is with your regular day-to-day jobs 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,360 that don't have summers off, have responsibilities tomorrow 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,760 and us that don't and just fuck off. 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,160 I'm off Friday if that makes you feel any better. 20 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,000 So. And you know what it does? 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Because anytime anybody can just rest their weary bones or have 22 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,520 that mental health break or have a three day weekend, I'm a big 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,040 supporter of that. Well, I'm about to get, I'm 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,080 about to have to dump out a bunch of a bunch of money out of 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,920 my pocket to get some trees trimmed back. 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,520 So it's not for fun. It is for it is to spend a bunch 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,360 of money and and watch it go away as they carry the trees 28 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,120 away. So. 29 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,400 As you kill nature. Yeah, well, it's because my 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,880 fucking neighbors, but that's another actually, you know what 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,840 that kind of fits in with the sovereign citizen thing. 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,960 You know what? Fuck them. 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,440 I'm a sovereign. But so I'll give my my silver 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:58,840 lining real quick if that's cool. 35 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:07,680 So I I've been playing FIFA recently on on repeat and I'm in 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,920 manager mode right now and Arsenal are cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo 37 00:02:11,920 --> 00:02:16,480 cuckoo cooking. OK we are flam bang teams out 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,400 here bro It's I I bought gokurez, I bought Cesco 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,280 Zubamendi. There are so many other little 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,040 gems that I found in the game that we're we're just cooking, 41 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,080 man. We're cooking right now. 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,480 The boys are clicking. Especially in Europe. 43 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,760 We've won three back-to-back Champions Leagues. 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,520 So it feels really good right now. 45 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:40,080 But anyway, all right. Well, hey, look, now that we've 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,880 got the the Silver Linings out of the way, why don't we take a 47 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,280 real quick break when we return? Sergey, you're going to talk 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Douche Cano. We have returned Sergio Amy with 49 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,920 the douche canoe. We're back again, folks, and 50 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:06,120 it's another installment of Douche Canoe time. 51 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,880 And I, I have a little bit of an ADHD brain, so I'll, I'll get 52 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,160 like two or three ideas at once, then I'll forget what I'm doing 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,680 and just go look and try to fix an electrical outlet and be 54 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,400 terrible at. That No, no, not you. 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,320 Not you. Not you. 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,640 No, no, no. But you know, with the thoughts 57 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,040 entering my my head in and out super fast, some might say 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,120 faster than Donald Trump comes. Oh, I'm going to come. 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,520 So today we'll discuss an obscure douche canoe, one who 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,440 goes by the name of Matthew Whitaker. 61 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,960 And the reason why I chose Matthew Whitaker is just because 62 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,400 I think he embodies this administration and Donald Trump 63 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,000 and the people that he has in his cabinet just perfectly. 64 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,280 OK, let's have it then. So, so Greg, do you know who 65 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Matthew Whitaker is? The only reason why I'm saying 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,960 this is exciting. Just looking at the next 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,360 sentence in our script and it just says the ambassador to 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,440 NATO. I have no idea who this guy is 69 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,120 otherwise. So he during Trump one point O 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,800 was the briefly attorney general filling in for Jeff Sessions. 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:29,720 He was Jeff Sessions chief of staff and then he currently is 72 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,320 now the ambassador to the NATO. And so, you know, you might not 73 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,120 think too much like some people know who the age. 74 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,680 I mean, I think the AG is a pretty big position where people 75 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,240 know who, you know, who is standing in that or sitting in 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,240 that position. Especially today when Pam Bondi 77 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,960 is like up there giving all kinds of ridiculous speeches 78 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,560 about fucking God damn Jeffrey Epstein. 79 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Absolutely or not saying anything now, right? 80 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,920 I know, man. I'm dude. 81 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,120 What did I tell you last week? What did I tell you last week? 82 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,520 This, this is going to be a thing. 83 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,640 It, you know, it is and hopefully it, it will really 84 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,720 divide his base because there's a lot of people on the, on the 85 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,880 right that are, are really, really upset about. 86 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,840 It including Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, like he 87 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,840 came out today and was like, Oh yeah, like we need to have 88 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,040 complete transparency around these, the Epstein files. 89 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,560 But anyway, sorry, I didn't mean to cut across. 90 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,120 You have only Epstein. No, but I mean, I, I, I think 91 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,720 you're right. Like it goes back to the point 92 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,880 that it's previously, you know, you, you couldn't think of who 93 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,840 the attorney generals were until by the last like. 94 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,880 Who was Obama's? Agent Was it Merrick Garland or 95 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,120 was that Biden? Yeah, who was who was Obama? 96 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,560 'S well, and then you had Jeff Sessions, then you had who is 97 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,920 the guy? I can picture his face right 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,960 now, but was a big constitutionalist and was a big 99 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,400 supporter of the presidential power. 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,280 William Barr? Yeah. 101 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,640 Bill Barr? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,440 And now we have Pamela Joe. So I mean, that's for but that's 103 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,000 that's pretty crazy. But anyway, so this guy sucks. 104 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,600 Just I mean, that's why he's been nominated as Deutsche 105 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Canoe. But let me just take you, give 106 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,840 you a little just brief background of, of who he is and 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,240 why it just, he stands out to me as just being the quintessential 108 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,240 like Trump cabinet member. So he first started off he, he's 109 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,880 from Iowa. He was, I think he played 110 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,880 collegiate football for the University of Iowa. 111 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,200 And then he was also that his JD. 112 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,680 So he's a lawyer and stuff like that. 113 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:55,160 So he where he really got his start was he was working for a 114 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,760 company, the World Patent Marketing Agency, and he was on 115 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,880 their board. And they were sued for $26 116 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,840 million by the, I think the Federal Trade Commission. 117 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,640 And I have a clip queued up to give you a little bit of a 118 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,920 background. And President Trump's new acting 119 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,720 attorney general, Matt Whitaker, has been a vocal critic of the 120 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Mueller investigation. But he also was associated with 121 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,760 a company fined nearly $26 million for scamming customers. 122 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,080 Would you like to receive royalties from a major 123 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,240 corporation? It was called World Patent 124 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 Marketing, and Whitaker appeared in several of its videos. 125 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,960 In this one, he. It passes a razor blade it 126 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,280 easily folds into itself. He appeared in this video 127 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,040 touting a hot tub innovation. It's a unique design that's 128 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,600 going to help lots of people. The company promised inventors 129 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,880 lucrative patent agreements, but the government accused it of 130 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,080 bilking thousands of customers, and a judge ordered it shut 131 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,080 down. Whitaker was. 132 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,800 OK, All right, I'm, I'm in. I'm so in. 133 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:03,800 And you know what we are going to do a little bit deeper dive 134 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:08,360 into some of the products that he was a, a, a board member of 135 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,200 for this company. Oh, so there was more bad 136 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,680 products for it than Gregy there there. 137 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,200 There there is more. Oh God, I can't wait then. 138 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,680 Throw out just some random guesses of of what you you think 139 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,000 that this company, the World Patent Company? 140 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,680 Based on the, based on the video clip that we just watched, I'd 141 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,000 assume like it's like a shoehorn or like, I don't know, like Chex 142 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,320 mixed without like the brown like chips in it. 143 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,960 I don't, I, I, I don't know what what bad product this guy is 144 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,920 trying to bring to market. Oh dog, it it it gets. 145 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:52,320 That's fucking terrible. Guess because in 2014 the world 146 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,800 at marketing group announced the launch of a masculine toilet. 147 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,600 So let me continue and this is from Jezebel. 148 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:06,960 The website Jezebel A masculine toilet which is boasted and 149 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:11,120 specifically designed bowl to help well endowed men to avoid 150 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,600 unwanted contact with the porcelain or water. 151 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,400 The average male genitalia is between 5 to 6 inches, the firm 152 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,520 press release said. However, this invention is 153 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,640 designed for those for those of us who measure longer than that. 154 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,560 Are you kidding me? He So this is an actual toilet. 155 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:38,080 He created a Dick toilet. His company touted a product IEA 156 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,960 Dick toilet or well endowed men so that their genitalia didn't. 157 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:47,640 Or either men with huge penises or like really old men that just 158 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,760 have huge clackers that just get into the toilet bowl. 159 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Big, heavy clackers. Big clackers. 160 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,960 And again, that just like that just screams to me like, damn, 161 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,560 that's a that's a Donald Trump kind of dude right there. 162 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,240 Toilets we all need we all need them. 163 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,840 We need Dick toilets. They've got to be gold, folks. 164 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,240 They've got to be gold, they say. 165 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,280 They say. Lots of gold toilets. 166 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:18,200 They've got cutouts for your gigantic Dick, they say. 167 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,280 They It's a big old Dick. It's the biggest Dick. 168 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,000 I've got big hands too, they say. 169 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Big hands, small hands, big Dick, they say. 170 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,200 Not like little Marco. Rubio Little Marco's got a tiny 171 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,080 little cock. They say cock in Spanish. 172 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,560 Cock is their preferred language. 173 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,600 So just some other things that his company and that's just 174 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,720 that's not one of them. There's there's a whole lot of 175 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,800 other ones, but these are the ones that kind of stood out. 176 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Another one included a theoretical time travel machine 177 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,200 that tied directly to the price of Bitcoin called Time travel X. 178 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,160 The the last thing that that I thought was just hilarious is 179 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:01,240 that they had Sasquatch dolls where they said that these dolls 180 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:08,480 were injected with DNA from Bigfoot from a 2013 video. 181 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,760 You know what for shark tanking, this of all of the ideas that 182 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,360 he's got, this is the the, the time Sheen 1 is the one I can 183 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,640 get behind, right? You know, I I disagree. 184 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:26,560 I think that there is such a toxic portion of men in in this 185 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,000 country that if you anything with a big Dick on them. 186 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,520 Sure, I I don't disagree with I don't disagree with that 187 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,840 premise, but I guess I'm saying if I'm the shark in the Shark 188 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Tank, that's the that is the investment that I'm making is 189 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,560 into this time machine so I can go back to 1960, whatever and 190 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:48,640 make sure this guy isn't born just. 191 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:51,640 There you go. Actually, I didn't even think 192 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,760 you're thinking way, way more meta than I am. 193 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:59,040 I was going to go into a whole bunch of stuff about him, you 194 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:04,200 know, when he was the acting AG, but he was screamed about the 195 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,960 Mueller investigation, all that stuff. 196 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,560 And that's all stuff that we really heard. 197 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:10,000 But currently, the reason why he's in the news right now is 198 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,320 that he is the ambassador to NATO. 199 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:19,280 And currently he has been making threats to one Vladimir Ilyich 200 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,760 Putin. I don't think that's his middle 201 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,040 name, but I just want to throw it in there. 202 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,200 Let's bring in now the United States ambassador to NATO, Matt 203 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,960 Whitaker. Thank you very much, Matt, for 204 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 being here. This was in the Oval Office. 205 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,440 You were there on this weapons deal to Ukraine. 206 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,800 More details. Listen, we've made a deal today 207 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,840 where we are going to be sending them weapons that they're going 208 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,000 to be paying for them. We, the United States, will not 209 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:49,560 be having any payment made. We're not buying it, but we will 210 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,840 manufacture it and they're going to be paying for it. 211 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,360 So what do you want people to know about this deal? 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Well, I think it's very important to know, first of all, 213 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,080 you know, kind of the days of the United States sending 214 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,200 unlimited taxpayer dollars to defend Ukraine are over. 215 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,880 President Trump has made a very smart decision and an agreement 216 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:14,440 with NATO which says you, your Canada will pay for the weapons. 217 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,600 the United States will manufacture them. 218 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:21,280 Obviously, we make the best weapons systems in the world and 219 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,080 everyone wants them. And we're going to prioritize 220 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,840 those going to Ukraine. And what this says also to 221 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Vladimir Putin, I think it's very loud and clear, which is, 222 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,280 you know, we've given you a chance for peace. 223 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,280 President Trump is a peacemaker. But if you want war, we will arm 224 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Ukraine and Europe will pay for it. 225 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,400 It's it. Wow. 226 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,760 That is, if I've ever heard of a declaration of maybe wanting to 227 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,240 get involved in another war. So kind of my final thoughts of 228 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,480 this and this guy isn't he, he sucks. 229 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,920 He is part of this company that, you know, do people out of 26 230 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,480 out of 1,000,000 and millions of dollars with these shitty 231 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,960 products. But I think it just speaks to 232 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,000 kind of a higher level of the type of people that Donald Trump 233 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:10,200 has in his cabinet. And we and we can just go down 234 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,680 the list. So you have this guy who is, you 235 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:19,360 know, is, is part of this fucked up organization that it was 236 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,360 stealing money from people and was fined $26 million. 237 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:28,080 And now he's threatening the one of the world powers on Fox News. 238 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,280 And then it just it, it makes you just start thinking of the 239 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,560 people that he has within his cabinet. 240 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:42,960 And Matt Whitaker is just one of the many douche canoes, a lot of 241 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,120 them who have been featured on this show. 242 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,080 But you just think about My Pillow Guy who was a huge 243 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,600 advocate. We have an anti vaxxer who is 244 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,720 the secretary of the Health and Human Services. 245 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,640 We have Amette Oz who is, I don't remember what secretary he 246 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,720 is. We have Pete Eggseth who is a 247 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,800 weekend host, a drunk who is way beyond his capabilities and 248 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,840 abilities leading one of the biggest and if not the biggest 249 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:22,480 army in in the world. And then we have you know, 250 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,640 people like Matt Gaetz who is going to be the AG and who 251 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,680 almost made it through but was bragging to his his Co workers 252 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:37,640 about snorting Viagra and like having orgies with teenagers. 253 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,240 Yeah, I was going to bring that up. 254 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Like I I while you were talking, I was like, I there's got to be 255 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:42,840 somebody. Oh, shit. 256 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,560 Matt Gaetz was almost the fucking AG. 257 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,120 And when you think it, Oh my God, dude. 258 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,160 Like he really has done a terrible job of putting good 259 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,080 people in his cabinet. You're absolutely right. 260 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,480 It's they're all douche bags. Well, and I mean, you've got 261 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,160 people like Dan Bongino, Cash Patel, like these guys are not 262 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,120 qualified to do. They're his boys and their their 263 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,160 actions are going to create serious consequences for. 264 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,640 And they already have. Yeah. 265 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,720 With that, with that being said, Matt, Matt Whitaker, welcome to 266 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,160 the club. You're a fucking douche. 267 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,800 Fuck Matt Whitaker and honestly, I I while you were talking I was 268 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,800 looking into big Dick toilets and I couldn't find anything. 269 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,320 So maybe I'm, I'm hopeful that they took them off the Internet 270 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,040 all together, but someone's got to have it on eBay, right? 271 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,200 I mean, I'm sure I don't even know if they've had had concepts 272 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,200 of a of a big Dick toilet. So now that we've gotten that 273 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 out of the way, let's let's take a quick break. 274 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,800 Let's flush this douche canoe down a big Dick toilet. 275 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,960 And when we come back, we're going to talk about sovereign 276 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:55,600 citizens and eventually touch on the Moors or black sovereign 277 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:12,319 citizens. Sergio, let me ask you a 278 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,280 question, bud. Do you know who Nick Offerman 279 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,319 is? Yes. 280 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,119 OK, so you're familiar with Parks and Rec? 281 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,520 I don't need to play you any clips then. 282 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,440 I have never watched Parks and Rec. 283 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,880 What? Yeah, dog like so this is the 284 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,160 thing with me is that when one show is already kind of been 285 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,640 done in in a certain style, I don't I don't need to see the 286 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,960 other ones like the office and you know, I'm kind of a purist. 287 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,600 The American version is is good, but I'm I'm an original office 288 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,400 fan. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 289 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,600 It's just it's it's best. Oh, Ricky Gervais is The Office 290 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,680 is a classic, but you're telling me that you've never seen Parks 291 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,360 and Rec? No. 292 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,640 All right, let me let me play you a real quick clip then of of 293 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,240 Nick Offerman playing his his infamous character Ron Swanson. 294 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Ron, you've been sweating in here all day. 295 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,360 Are you drinking any fluids? Yes, plenty. 296 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,520 Is that a bottle of bourbon? Drink water. 297 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,160 Usually I take it neat, but I will make an exception in the 298 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,880 name of health. So Ron Swanson in Parks and Rec 299 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,400 is like he he's very much a libertarian who doesn't believe 300 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,000 that government works, but yet he works for the government he 301 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,480 like. He's this gigantic walking 302 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,320 contradiction. It's a great character in a 303 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:30,080 fantastic TV show. I highly recommend that you 304 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,280 watch it. OK, I'll add on to the list of 305 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,920 things that I'll never watch. That's fair. 306 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,320 I I bring up Nick Offerman because he is starring in a 307 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,680 newly released movie called Sovereign. 308 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,720 Violence doesn't solve anything, OK? 309 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,000 It's not violence that we're after. 310 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,680 Even the Bible tells us if you're going to go and wage war 311 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,320 against somebody, you have to kill their sheep and their goats 312 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,720 and their chickens and their babies and their wives, OK? 313 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,320 You have to kill them all. Right, because what we're after 314 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,480 here is not fight, it's conquering. 315 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,360 I mean, I don't want to have to kill anybody, but if they keep 316 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,520 messing with me, then I'm afraid that's what it's going to come 317 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,960 down to as I'm going to have to kill. 318 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,160 And if I have to kill 1 and I'm not going to be able to stop, I 319 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,920 just know it. I mean, I have an addictive 320 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,080 personality. I haven't had a drink for 18 321 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:30,800 years because I can't handle this shit. 322 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,160 You might want to clarify that just a little bit. 323 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,440 What's the matter of what the law says about killing? 324 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,040 The law from the Bible tells us that if you're going to do it, 325 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,640 you have to do it right. But I don't choose to do it 326 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,200 right, Jesus Christ. I don't want to do it at all. 327 00:19:57,010 --> 00:19:58,290 Jesus. Christ is right. 328 00:20:00,370 --> 00:20:05,170 I mean goodness, but I also wasn't the first commandment 329 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:07,090 like that was going to kill. Yeah, I know. 330 00:20:07,090 --> 00:20:09,890 That is the first commandment in 100%. 331 00:20:10,170 --> 00:20:12,930 Your nun would be very proud of you, Sir. 332 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,160 So I. Thank you, sister Hack. 333 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:22,360 Shout out sister hack. So I saw that clip as like the 334 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:25,920 trailer or the teaser and I was like, oh, I'm not not watching 335 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,800 this movie. Like there's just no way. 336 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,800 This speaks to everything that I'm interested in, not just from 337 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,960 like it is just like, OK, I'm 100% in. 338 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,160 What is your crazy ass talking about? 339 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,200 Yeah, and and just straight deadpan. 340 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Yeah, yeah. And what the people couldn't see 341 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,360 in a it's obviously this the podcast, but the, the crowd 342 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,640 looked very, the congregation looked very uncomfortable with 343 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,480 with his message. Yeah, and and so I was looking 344 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,040 into their story and, and again, I don't want to ruin it because 345 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,200 it is, you know, a movie that just came out. 346 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,400 But the the, the movie tells the entire story. 347 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,360 So we're not going to tell what happens with with those two 348 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:16,960 folks, but they are they the movie plays out really, really 349 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,440 well. Highly recommend anyone watching 350 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,520 it paying or not paying, whatever you want to do. 351 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,360 Some high jinks and hilarity ensues. 352 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:31,360 Yeah, yeah, they they. So it's like the whole the whole 353 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:33,360 rest of the movie is just yakety sex. 354 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,760 It's, it's pretty good. But we've we've, we've talked 355 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,040 about sovereigns before. I I don't know that we've talked 356 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,760 about them on the podcast, but I mean, that is unless you count 357 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,400 Cody Crone, of course. I feel like he's kind of like 358 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,200 sovereign curious. Like, yeah, I, I feel like 359 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,000 personally at least like the diet, the Venn diagram of like 360 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,360 shitty human beings. There's a large crossover 361 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:01,480 between sovereign citizens and libertarians, but. 362 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,680 And I, I think back to Cody, I think he he's also really 363 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,480 interested in making lots of money. 364 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,880 I don't think he's wanting to get in a shootout with any 365 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,720 police officers or anything like that. 366 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,080 Agreed, Agreed. I think that's probably where 367 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,920 most libertarians like, yeah, the SOF citizenship, it's not my 368 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,680 thing, but I kind of like operating underneath of an 369 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,520 economic system where a sovereign. 370 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,240 Citizens, I don't want to pay taxes, but I want to smoke weed 371 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,440 and make a lots of money. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 372 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,440 And have all the guns I can possibly have. 373 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,480 I I am actually very proud to say that on my YouTube 374 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:42,240 algorithm, Cody Crone popped up. Come on, we finally did it. 375 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,200 We broke. We broke your algorithm. 376 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:48,440 He, he, he made us what? He, he slithered his way 377 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,480 through. You know what? 378 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,360 It just seems like it, it seems like you're molding me to be 379 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,360 like you and then so I'm just going to be like this really 380 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,080 competitive, rageful person that goes down these like, oh, it's 381 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,800 on the Internet. Yep, Yep, you're eventually 382 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,680 you're going to be start looking into Asian Pacific fascism and 383 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,880 you'll be like, wow, I didn't know that world existed. 384 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,960 So yeah, welcome, you're welcome, welcome. 385 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,200 Officially, it's. A blessing and a curse it is. 386 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,880 It truly is. Sovereign citizens also see 387 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:26,200 taxes as a blessing and a curse because that's where they they 388 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,320 originally started. They started off as an 389 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:33,440 amalgamation of these like tax protesters meets like off grid 390 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,480 kind of people mixed with a little bit of racist hate and 391 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,720 anti state like anarchism. So like like all like that's 392 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,360 kind of like their vibe, like they don't want, they don't want 393 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,960 to like they don't want the government stepping on their 394 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,760 toes. But they're also like 395 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,160 incredibly, incredibly racist and incredibly confrontational 396 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,040 people. As we're going to discuss later 397 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,120 on the show, environmental radical anarchist groups like 398 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:07,960 the Pine Tree Riots. You can visit our series on the 399 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,280 Great American Redoubt For more information on those guys if you 400 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,840 want to. They can also fall under the 401 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,200 umbrella of sovereigns. So like sovereign citizens, like 402 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:24,040 the the template is based like white racists, but like you can 403 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:29,280 get a whole swath of like new age hippie types underneath of 404 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,400 this too. It's a really interesting, I 405 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,520 don't want to call it a philosophy because I, I that 406 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,240 that gives it too much credit. I yeah, a way of life. 407 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,760 Let's just call it that. So the movement really comes out 408 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,600 of the 70s like as a formalized idea. 409 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:50,200 But a majority of sovereign see the 14th Amendment as the 410 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,320 starting point, right? It's like they're Rosetta Stone. 411 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,480 It's the decoder ring of like the sovereign citizen movement 412 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,800 because a majority of their theories stem from there. 413 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,880 And, and it's mostly racist, mostly like cooked philosophies 414 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,320 because they claim that the 14th amendment redefined what it 415 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,960 means to be a citizen in the United States. 416 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,960 Anyone who was born after the ratification of the of the 14th 417 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:27,000 Amendment is not a a legitimate sit American citizen and most 418 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,240 presidents, with the exception of 1 and I'm going to let you 419 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,640 guess who that president is according to sovereign citizens, 420 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:39,160 have all been illegitimate. I'm going to take a a stab in 421 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,440 the dark. Circle gets the square, they 422 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,280 say. They say circle gets the square. 423 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,760 Yes, of me. I love that. 424 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,520 I'm trying to tell people 14th amendment it's no good anchor 425 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,600 babies. A reminder for you real quick, 426 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,400 we've been talking about this in our weekly round UPS on our own 427 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,760 pretty frequent basis at this point that naturalized citizens 428 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,120 comes out of the 14th Amendment. And we've been talking a lot 429 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:11,520 about immigration recently and how destructive this this, this 430 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,640 administration is. And so some sovereign citizens 431 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,080 see the Trump administration as an extension of their belief 432 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,080 system. And that's a really important 433 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,520 thing to keep in mind as we go through this episode. 434 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,200 And as you start to see like, probably more because the 435 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,240 sovereign citizen movement is picking up speed, you'll 436 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,320 probably see more and more of this kind of thinking. 437 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:37,560 But yeah, anyone who's born after the 14th Amendment in this 438 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:43,120 country is not AUS citizen. They or or at least an 439 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:48,160 illegitimate citizen. And that for me, that's, that's 440 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:53,080 interesting because I was born in Mexico, my mom was from the 441 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,600 United States. But so I, I have a birth 442 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:03,720 certificate, but with all the stuff that that Trump's doing, 443 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,320 it does make me like feel a little nervous just especially 444 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,640 with this talk with the sovereign citizens about if 445 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,800 you're born after the 14th. Yeah, I wasn't born in the 446 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,120 United States. Well, you know, I think there 447 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,440 there is a certain group that we're going to talk about here 448 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,600 in a little bit that will give you citizenship to wherever you 449 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 want to be. So don't you worry. 450 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,360 I got I, I know a guy, I know a guy who can change. 451 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:31,080 I got a guy, I got a guy who can change out my outlets now. 452 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,760 And I got a guy who who can get you an illegal passport anywhere 453 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,440 in the world you want. So, so another thing to to to 454 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,680 know about sovereign citizens is that they think that the United 455 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,560 States is a corporation and not a nation. 456 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,920 So that's a really important part of their philosophy. 457 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,200 And we're going to dig into that here in a second. 458 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,000 But in general, though, sovereign citizens believe they 459 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,240 are not under the jurisdiction of the federal government and 460 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,680 consider to themselves exempt from U.S. law. 461 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,200 They use a variety of conspiracy theories and falsehoods to 462 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,040 justify their beliefs and their activities, some of which are 463 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,880 illegal or violent. And those aren't like hand in 464 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,960 hand. Sometimes they're just illegal, 465 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,760 and sometimes they're just violent. 466 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040 And more than many times that. More than enough times at least, 467 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,360 they're both. The rejection of legal 468 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,280 documentation such as Social Security numbers, driver's 469 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560 licenses, vehicle registration and other forms of government 470 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,120 identification lead to frequent interactions with law 471 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:37,480 enforcement. And we're going to talk about a 472 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,120 couple of the run insurance that I've seen in the last couple of 473 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,440 days. But typically sovereign 474 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,280 citizens, you know, their stops with police take over 1/2 an 475 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,400 hour. So it's kind of hard to condense 476 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,600 that down into podcast form. But like, believe me when I tell 477 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,440 you I've watched like 3 hours today of sovereign citizens 478 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,040 alone. Just like, yeah, no, no, no, no. 479 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,480 Here's my, here's my stack of papers. 480 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,960 I need you to read through every single page. 481 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,240 They're an insane group of people. 482 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200 Well, and it, it's really interesting that you said that 483 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,240 too, because I was, I really went down a rabbit hole for a 484 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,200 while. Some were sovereign citizens, 485 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,800 but the others were Hispanic. But border crossing, so were 486 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:30,200 they had ICE agents 50 miles, 100, you know, miles inland from 487 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,880 the border. And then so you have these like 488 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,560 white entitled guys saying I'm a fucking trend. 489 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Did I cross a border? Am I, am I in another country? 490 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,520 Am I free to go? And it's just these 491 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,040 confrontations with, you know, border control and the setups. 492 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,000 And then you have the other side where, you know, you have 493 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Hispanic people saying like, why are you stopping me? 494 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,840 Why am I, Why are you pulling? Are what? 495 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,400 Are we in Nazi Germany? Like I'm across the border? 496 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,800 I'm in the United States? Yeah, yeah, Sovereign citizens, 497 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,960 they have a couple of different names they go by in, in 498 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,320 sovereign citizens, obviously the most used one that they they 499 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,000 go by, but they also call themselves American state 500 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,640 nationals, state citizen, constitutionalist, Freeman, free 501 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,800 woman upon the land. And most importantly for our 502 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,040 conversation that we're going to get to here in a little bit, 503 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,800 Moorish nationals. So in 2024, sovereign citizen 504 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,360 activities fell into four different categories. 505 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,360 And we're not going to go into like all the detail around them, 506 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,560 but I I wanted to touch on one in particular and that is the 507 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,640 sizeable number of violent incidents primarily against law 508 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,600 enforcement. A quick Google brings up an 509 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,160 incredible amount of encounters between sovereigns and police, 510 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,680 like the 2019 incident where a Tennessee sovereign was 511 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,880 convicted of aggravated assault after he bitten the thumb off of 512 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,600 a police officer during a struggle. 513 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,600 Do you know how hard you have to bite to bite through bone, 514 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,560 Sergio? I mean, I'm just thinking of 515 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,720 like, what the sometimes when you get those, like do you ever 516 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,320 eat mambas? They were good if they weren't 517 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,600 like rock hard or like the Bazooka Joe bubble gum where you 518 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,920 tried to chew it at at. You'd have to have Bazooka Joe 519 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,360 level kind of intensity to do that. 520 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,400 Like Jesus Christ, the the, the, the bite pressure that it's a 521 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,440 that's, that is a that's a pit bull level of bite, like jaw 522 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,240 bite pressure. You've got to have there. 523 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,200 Yeah, dude, like, I'm just thinking like, you have to, you 524 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,880 have to like bite and RIP at the same time. 525 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,520 And I mean, you're not taking multiple like nibbles at it. 526 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,240 You're you have to go kind of all, all in or nothing, Dude. 527 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,240 That's crazy shit. Yeah. 528 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,680 Yeah, it is. It's fucking nuts, man. 529 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360 These sovereign citizens. Like I've never been in a police 530 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,200 interaction where I'm like, yeah, no, I know they're going 531 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,200 to profile me here. But like, you know what? 532 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,080 That guy puts his finger near my face. 533 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,280 I'm biting that motherfucker. Off. 534 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,640 I wonder what his thumb tastes like. 535 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,600 Yeah. Exactly. 536 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200 Exactly. Well, how about the Louisiana 537 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200 sovereign who shot a tow truck driver who came to repossess his 538 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,640 vehicle after the guy decided to stop making payments on his 539 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720 vehicle because he was like, you know what? 540 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,200 This isn't a proper government contract, so I don't have to pay 541 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,520 anything. But then what? 542 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,320 What's the level of just like? So I just decided I don't have 543 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,480 to pay. So I'm just going to take. 544 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,720 It's like, I guess it's like goes back to Manifest Destiny. 545 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,280 Yeah, no, these people truly think anything after the 14th 546 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,040 Amendment doesn't count. Sergio. 547 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,360 It's it is. Wild. 548 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,840 Just like being able to take whatever you want and just like 549 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,600 that's what I want, so I'm just going to take it. 550 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,200 Well, keep that in mind for later. 551 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,480 Keep that in your back pocket because we're going to come back 552 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,440 to that second category of activity. 553 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,120 That was crime that the sovereign citizens participate 554 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,160 in, are crimes committed that they don't end violently or 555 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,800 don't have a violent component to them. 556 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,800 And those include carrying like the illegal carry of firearms 557 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,720 across state lines, possession of explosives, resisting arrest. 558 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280 You get the vibe. It's not we're. 559 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,360 Trying to take guns to the airport or whatever. 560 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,880 Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep, Yep. Who are you to tell me as a 561 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,920 sovereign what I can do in this? Airport. 562 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,800 It's bringing my AR-14. Yeah, seriously, 3rd category of 563 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,040 activities was the merger of sovereign citizens and non 564 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,360 sovereign citizen extremists. So we're talking about like 565 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,120 militia members who kind of like start to like dip their toe into 566 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,960 sovereign citizen stuff a little bit. 567 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,200 I'm thinking very explicitly like the Michigan militia who 568 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,840 tried to, you know, kidnap a governor, if you recall. 569 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Yeah. Did they get they didn't get 570 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,560 pardoned there? Were they trying to get like, 571 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,280 get pardons? I think, I think there was an 572 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,720 attempt to get a pardon. I don't know if those pardons 573 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,040 have been granted yet, but I wouldn't discount that before 574 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Trump leaves office. Oh, without a doubt. 575 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,719 Yeah. And the fourth area of activity 576 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,120 was the creation and growth of sovereign shadow governments 577 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,719 called assemblies, whose formation is based on both 578 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,560 historical U.S. law and made-up arbitrary rules, which is just 579 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,880 an incredible thought. Like, yeah, you know what? 580 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,719 Today I feel like I own all of your chickens. 581 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,719 Just like what are we talking about? 582 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239 Sir, I'm going to take those chickens from you, from, you 583 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,480 know, they're, they're mine now. I these these are some of the 584 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,440 most fascinating people and also some of the scariest people. 585 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,480 They typically involve the formation of governments, 586 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,760 various government agencies, and these include, but are not 587 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,360 limited to sovereign militaries, sovereign postal unions, 588 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,679 sovereign motor vehicle departments, basically anything 589 00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:01,000 that we have today, but just how they want it to be, which means 590 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,960 literally nothing since these people are absolutely bonkers 591 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,720 and they can just make up whatever they want whenever they 592 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:13,440 want to. It's a very interesting group of 593 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,320 people because like when they like, they try to like, like 594 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,680 charge you for something like even like the most minuscule 595 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,960 penalty that you can face could equal the death penalty somehow. 596 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,000 Like they like it's whatever they want on the on that day 597 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,480 basically. I was just having some crazy 598 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160 thoughts in my head just popping in, but I I just think right now 599 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,240 about technology and especially with 3D printing and what the 600 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:42,360 creativity that could probably come from these weirdos. 601 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,160 Oh dude, we're we're going to touch on the weirdest group 602 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,560 after the break when we we dive into the black more sovereigns. 603 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,800 And I can promise you, if you think it's weird now, it's going 604 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,880 to get even weirder. Let's get weird. 605 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:11,480 Let's do it. We're back. 606 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,360 As the sovereign citizen movement developed in the 1970s 607 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,240 and 80s, virtually its entire membership was white. 608 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,000 In fact, many pioneers of the movement were full-fledged white 609 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,040 supremacists. They were adherents of racist, 610 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,360 anti-Semitic and religious bigotry. 611 00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,240 And all of that falls into something we've also talked 612 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,640 about Christian Identity. So. 613 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,040 So this is like the traditional mold of what a sovereign citizen 614 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800 is. The Moors have entered the chat 615 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,720 and they decided to flip all of that. 616 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,280 It's on on its head. Yeah, dude, it's, this is a, 617 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,080 this is a group that takes sovereign citizenry, mixes it 618 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,200 and blends it with like black supremacist movements and then 619 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:07,280 somehow like makes it like, you know what if we remember the 620 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,200 bombing of the move of move in Philadelphia? 621 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,480 Yes. Not that far away. 622 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,720 OK, so it's a pretty interesting like tie together here. 623 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,920 So the Moors belief believe in a race neutral system and have 624 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,880 focused rather on racist bigotry. 625 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,040 They've focused on the government. 626 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,120 So it's not about your religion or your skin color. 627 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,200 It's about like, do you stand against the government, which is 628 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,240 a far more unifying message. And as a result, they've, 629 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,560 they've, I think they've got like membership across 20 630 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,680 different states in the country at this point, which is. 631 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,520 But like you're, you're the big point is that it's a group of 632 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,640 it's black people. And so, yeah, automatically, 633 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,000 that's just awful. I'm not doing that. 634 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:09,120 Dude they are fucking mad and I can't wait to tell you the 635 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,840 story. So more Sovereign citizen 636 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,440 movement is a collection of independent organizations and 637 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,440 individuals that emerged during the early 1990s. 638 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,840 The Moors are adherence of which believe that individual citizens 639 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400 hold sovereignty over and are independent of the authority of 640 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,200 the federal government, as we mentioned earlier. 641 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,680 But multiple more sovereign citizens across various states 642 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,560 have fallen into the template of like their white brethren by 643 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,040 committing violent and nonviolent crimes. 644 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,160 More sovereign citizens tend to import traditional sovereign 645 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,040 citizen beliefs and arguments wholesale while adding their own 646 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,480 emphasis and flourishes. So like there was a treaty 647 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,640 signed in 1786 between the United States and Morocco, which 648 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,920 the Moorish people or black people in the United States, 649 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000 according to these folks, says gives them special immunities 650 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,560 and privileges all throughout the United States. 651 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,840 So that's like weird part number one. 652 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,800 That's. OK, so. 653 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,360 That's the wheels are slowly starting to kind of crank in my 654 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,560 head right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 655 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,560 It's the the the hamster wheel is going to start slowly 656 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760 turning, I promise you. OK. 657 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,520 The Moors trace their roots back to the creation of something 658 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:41,920 called the MSTA, which is the Moorish Science Temple of 659 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,960 America, which was established in 1913. 660 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,640 And its founder was a black man by the name of Timothy Drew, but 661 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,480 he assigned himself the name Noble Drew Ali. 662 00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:00,560 So most sovereigns like, assign a different name to themselves 663 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,000 to like, separate themselves from like the government entity 664 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,840 or the corporate entity that's been given to them. 665 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,680 So that that's an important thing to remember when we're 666 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,480 talking about. I I go by Dick toilet Sergio. 667 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,200 So there are lots of different groups that have come out of the 668 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,960 MSTA, the the More Science Temple of America and one of the 669 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,440 very specific groups that came out of the MSTA that we're going 670 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,520 to talk about today is called the Ouachita Nation. 671 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,240 They are like black supremacist, meet sovereign citizens. 672 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,960 It is just the most in mental shit I've read. 673 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000 And it's like fun. Crazy though, you know what I 674 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,480 mean? I, you know, I, I'm ready for 675 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,160 this ride. I, I want to, I want to get on 676 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,240 that, on that train. Do they've got their own version 677 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,400 of the Quran like they wrote it's called the seven point 678 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,520 Quran. It is their own version of the 679 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,680 Quran because they don't believe that Christianity and they've 680 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,600 got a point here. Christianity isn't a black 681 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,160 religion like it's not like an African religion like most 682 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,720 African religions are. Polytheistic monotheism was 683 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:19,360 brought to them by the the Middle Eastern Semites. 684 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:25,320 You know of, of of of of Israel and of this of the Persian era. 685 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,680 White Devils. But no, I mean, like, you know, 686 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,320 it is, you know, if you look back at religious history, like 687 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,840 that is a very real thing that monotheism only existed in a 688 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,840 couple of different places and only still exists in a couple of 689 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,280 different places in the world. But we don't talk about 690 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:46,400 religious history tonight. So Ali decides that like, hey, 691 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,520 look, we're going to put together a couple of different 692 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,040 religious traditions here to develop a message of personal 693 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,040 transformation through historical education, racial 694 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,600 pride and spiritual uplift. His doctor was intended to 695 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,600 provide African Americans with a sense of identity in the world 696 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,480 and promote a civic involvement. So it was like while there were 697 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120 a lot of different splinter cells that grew out of this, 698 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,080 like whole thinking like his, I guess his original idea was to 699 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,520 like, like take the diaspora and like give it something to like 700 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,360 feel pride in. But I am a I think it's time for 701 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,640 the weirdo shit when it comes to the MST I want. 702 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,440 To get weird. What is going on? 703 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,320 Historically, Moores are renowned as an incredibly 704 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,760 powerful and influential group of North Africans. 705 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,880 They once controlled an empire that included modern day W 706 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,480 Sahara, Algeria, Tunisia and Spain. 707 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000 But many Moores believed that the Moroccan empire expanded all 708 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,240 the way to the Americas, making all Black people ultimately 709 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,120 indigenous to an America that predates the United States 710 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,960 altogether. For most of the 1,000,000 Moors 711 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,920 across America today, that's just their origin story. 712 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,280 So according to. 1,000,000 man, that's that's huge. 713 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,200 Dude, it's it's, it's a really big movement. 714 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,080 And when you when, but my, my favorite thing is like thinking 715 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:16,960 that this noble Drew Ali figure in like the early 1900s is like, 716 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,640 you know what? I know that like, slavery ended 717 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960 like what, like 50 years ago, but you know what? 718 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,000 We were here first. So I'm just trying to unpack 719 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,360 that, just trying to think. So if his philosophy is that, do 720 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,240 they go by African Americans or Africans? 721 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:37,360 No, they go by Moors. It's not you're not African 722 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,240 American, so like. So no, there's no American. 723 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,040 So yeah, so like so one of the things that I was reading 724 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,680 through a lot of their literature during the week and 725 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,840 one of the big things that they they're like, we're not African 726 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,760 Americans, we're not Negro, we're not black. 727 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,800 We are Moors. They are very interesting group 728 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,640 because they they mix a lot of like black supremacy stuff like 729 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,200 so like like black Israelite, like philosophy around like no 730 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200 like black people, the original Jews kind of thing. 731 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,480 Like they're very much in lot like in the same well grooved 732 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,640 pattern there so. Is it is Nation of Islam? 733 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,840 Are are they a black supremacy group too? 734 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:22,040 Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. And I think that I think like a 735 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,400 lot of like black supremacist movements probably fall under 736 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,040 like a, a version of whether it be heavy or light sovereign 737 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,520 citizen stuff. That's just my my my thinking on 738 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,040 it. My, my thought was just going, 739 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:43,160 so the Moors were there first, so then what's X? 740 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,880 But it was a white, a white plague that came in to try to 741 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:53,280 conquer the Moors in the United States during slavery and and 742 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,240 Jim Crow and stuff like that. Come on Greg, you're our our 743 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,320 residential black guy playing next to me. 744 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,480 Your guess is so much better than mine, honestly. 745 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,160 Like we could it it you know what a a meteor hit the earth. 746 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:12,360 Like it's as likely of a story. It's just as likely that a 747 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,600 meteor hit the earth that black people inhabited North America 748 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,960 and South America, which kind of leads me to like think that like 749 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,960 I feel like we're not, we're not talking about the real issue 750 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,200 here is which is as a as an original person to this nation 751 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,080 into this land mass, I guess that makes me Guatemalan and it 752 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,200 makes you black. So Sergio, I think I think now's 753 00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,640 a good, a good a time as any to take a real quick break. 754 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,440 When we come back, we're going to talk about the Ouachita 755 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,160 Nation and the woman who ran the organization till her death. 756 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,080 Sergio, we're back. And let's talk about the Empress 757 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:08,040 who ran this this Wichita nation by the name of Varadichi Turner. 758 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,680 And like all good cult leaders, or at least people I assume have 759 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,480 a personality disorder, she created a very robust origin 760 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,200 story for herself. It was the night of the quote 761 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,760 high waters on the Louisiana Bayou when the Empress of the 762 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,000 Ouachita was born. A levee on the Mississippi had 763 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,000 broken and a swirling, stinking flood of was raging outside as 764 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,360 she burst from her mother's womb onto the cold cement floor of a 765 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,000 public courthouse. Within seconds, the Empress 766 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080 says, there was a sign. She says this. 767 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:47,640 I was born in my placenta. I kicked out of kicked out of it 768 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,840 on my own. And then the placenta rolled up 769 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,920 onto my head like a crown. And that is how she knew that 770 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,160 she was born, born to be a queen. 771 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:03,120 So that is that is the origin story of our dear Empress. 772 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,760 By the way, it's an. You know what? 773 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,680 It explains a lot because I was born breeched so I I came out 774 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:15,960 like ass first so. That explains so, so much now I, 775 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,040 I'm putting all the pieces together as much as this is a 776 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:26,320 podcast about like my like anger therapy and like our discussions 777 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,080 around the extremes, this is also about like finding out so 778 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,920 much about you. So I'm. 779 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,960 Sergio's origin story. Hell yeah, dude. 780 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,440 We're going to put, we're going to start putting all this 781 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,520 together. Eventually you'll have a story 782 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,280 about breaking out of Placenta 2. 783 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:47,560 So on that cold. So here's her her full Empress 784 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:52,280 name, by the way, Varadichi Tiari Washitall Turner Gotsen L 785 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:52,920 Bay. That's. 786 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:54,200 A lot. That's a mouthful. 787 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,560 Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. 788 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,400 And and she she burst out into the scene and set up. 789 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,720 Literally. But so she, she, she, she burst 790 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:08,560 out into the scene and she starts living a life of, of 791 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,400 actually quite an interesting back story. 792 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,400 She was a, a civil servant. So she worked in the federal 793 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,120 government and in the state government. 794 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,440 She was a teacher, She was an amateur historian, but she also 795 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,760 just happened to believe that she was the second coming of 796 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,240 God. And it's, that's a normal track 797 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,320 to take as you, you know, evolve through your life. 798 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,400 She didn't know it, but being a, you know, a small town mayor and 799 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,800 an embezzler helps her find her way into leading an organization 800 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,960 that believes that the land that was sold during the Louisiana 801 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,080 Purchase belongs to black people. 802 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,560 And that is an insane claim to make. 803 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,520 But if there is one, like, land grab that you're going to try to 804 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,520 make, maybe it is the Louisiana Purchase. 805 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,280 I mean, no one wanted that land anyway after her death and she 806 00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,360 died, I think it was like 2011, 2012, maybe later, I don't know. 807 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,920 But after her death, the the family takes up her mantle and 808 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920 they continue running her organization. 809 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,560 And again, due to the nature of the organization, I just 810 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,360 couldn't be bothered to look into it like the current day 811 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,520 side of the nation, because they're alleged crimes and those 812 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,560 who are tied to them are so much more interesting than their 813 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:29,720 story because they, they, they, they, they kill some people, 814 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,040 these, these sovereign citizens, especially the Moors, they 815 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,320 believe in a very violent reactionary position. 816 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,320 So I, I'm just thinking one of the things that's funny is that 817 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,960 you're scared of her. I was just thinking of you being 818 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,560 like in front of the mirror like candy man, and turning the 819 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,320 lights off and just trying to say that long name a bunch of 820 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,560 times for them for coming through to do something horrible 821 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,400 to you. Empress Viridici Tierra Empress 822 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,600 via di cierra. Doesn't have the same ring as 823 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,240 Candy Man. Yeah, or Bloody Mary. 824 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,960 Yeah, or bloody. Mary Yeah, yeah. 825 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:13,440 But the other thing that I, I just start to think about is 826 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:19,440 just when you said it's ludicrous that that black people 827 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,360 didn't have onus to the Louisiana Purchase. 828 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,120 I've been granted Native Americans were there, but how 829 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,040 much of this land has been worked and how much of it has 830 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:35,400 been ripped off from them from by the United States and, you 831 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:41,200 know, all the justices that have occurred to the African American 832 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,320 community. And you know, I think that's a 833 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,040 lot, it's a lot more fair for them to say that they have 834 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,760 claimed the land then then other, other groups of people. 835 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:59,520 I don't, I, so I want to make sure that the Ouachita nation 836 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,800 understands they've got a Guatemalan who wants to join and 837 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,920 he's also half Croatian. So you do with that what you 838 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,520 will. I, I, I can't. 839 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,440 I can't, no. I'm moreish. 840 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,480 You are more more light. More light, as they said, more 841 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,600 light. You know, or Blanco. 842 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,240 A Blanco What's what's French for white? 843 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:27,400 What is that? Launch Traitor a Blanche. 844 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,680 Traitor or coward? Is that what that stands for in 845 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:31,680 French? Coward. 846 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,880 Is that what white is? I don't know man, I was a joke 847 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:37,720 about them being bad at World wars. 848 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,800 Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah, USAUSAU. 849 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,560 SA. I do say toy F1 say so. 850 00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,080 The community has a laundry list of crimes that it's committed 851 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,600 and many of them are nonviolent, a lot of them. 852 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,760 Again, like we mentioned at the very top of this segment, we 853 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,720 were talking about the types of crimes that sovereign citizens 854 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:01,320 get involved in. You know, there are the violent 855 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,040 ones, but that most of them are nonviolent, where they get into 856 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,680 interactions with the police and they get pulled over. 857 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,880 You know, they, they, they get pulled over and, and, and in the 858 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,160 inspection of, of their vehicle, you know, there's a, a non 859 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,200 registered gun, right? A lot of those are in that kind 860 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,600 of kind of territory. But one of the types of crimes 861 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,720 the that comes to mind and came to mind to me this week when I 862 00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:29,880 was thinking about this, were the crimes where they were 863 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,840 exercising their own right, their rights to what they, what 864 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,520 they call their inherited land. As we we mentioned, they believe 865 00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,440 that they own everything in the Louisiana Purchase at very bare 866 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,040 minimum, right? I mean, we're talking about both 867 00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,800 North and South America, which is what they believe they own. 868 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,280 But they, but they've truly do believe that like, OK, at least 869 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,280 here in the United States, we have ancestral rights to 870 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,960 different parts of land. And there was a woman I believe 871 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,560 was in, in Delaware County, in, in, in, in Pennsylvania, who was 872 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,840 trying to buy a house. And this is what happened. 873 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,720 The thing I like about this neighborhood is every single 874 00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:10,720 house seems to have its own little bit of charm, just being 875 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:13,880 a single woman trying to compete with a lot of these couples. 876 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,640 I lost out on about 13 houses before I came across this one. 877 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:23,240 When I walked in the door, I was like, this is my house, so 878 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,280 whatever I can do to get it, I'm going to get it. 879 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,840 You guys, I'm not even kidding. This is the literal SWAT team 880 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,960 that was called. Jeanetta Little was finalizing 881 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,200 construction plans on her first home when a stranger changed the 882 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,240 locks and told her that the house she bought was actually 883 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,320 his. They call themselves Mores. 884 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,120 They basically say that they have ancestral rights due to a 885 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,520 lot of treaties and tribunal law that they have rights to the 886 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,000 land here. So you by this place, you have 887 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,440 this amazing vision for it and all of a sudden you get a 888 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,480 letter. Yes, I got 2 letters. 889 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,240 Actually, the first one I got from Jaleel Hugh L There were 890 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:11,000 like seals and fingerprints and signatures basically saying that 891 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,200 my home was on someone else's ancestral lands. 892 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,480 I ignored it the first time and they sent me another letter 893 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,880 saying because I didn't respond now. 894 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,680 We own this house. The third time was basically. 895 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,680 When all she hit the fan so they sawed off the locks put their 896 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:29,640 own. Locks on. 897 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,800 He's now occupying the home. How do they get him out of the 898 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,960 house? Oh, they busted the door down 899 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,760 and they basically dragged him out and it was really scary, 900 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,600 like. You know, I mean that is an 901 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,880 incredible story. Could you imagine buying a home 902 00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,680 and then you go to get go into your house and the locks are all 903 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:54,080 changed because they someone is squatting in your home? 904 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,640 That is gnarly dude. The big balls that it the big 905 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,040 Dick toilet energy that it takes to go into someone's home and 906 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,840 just stay there because you think that you were having an 907 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,160 ancestral right to it is insane. It's that is insane amount of 908 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,600 confidence at the very least. You know what? 909 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,160 But not to be like that that guy, but also. 910 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,920 You if we. Take the historical context of 911 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,240 it. What about all the Native 912 00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:31,760 American tribes that were displaced where they're just 913 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,840 like, Oh yeah, this is ours now? And they're like, what the fuck 914 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,240 you talking about? We don't. 915 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,480 We don't even believe in land ownership. 916 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:42,600 Yeah, no, I you look we're we're we are danger close into going 917 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,960 to a a more meta topic. If we if we if we start trying 918 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,880 to dissect everything that's wrong with the the sovereign 919 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,840 citizen mentality, we already dangerously met a conversation 920 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,040 At that point I. Don't know if I can handle that. 921 00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,280 Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's one of those conversations that 922 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,680 Best had over some beers at a brewery maybe. 923 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,960 But here's a quick rundown of the more radical, like what the 924 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,520 more radicalized Moorish sovereign citizens have done. 925 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:21,600 In 2016, a Baton Rouge man ambushed 4 police officers, 926 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,480 killing them and also being slain by a SWAT member. 927 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,840 IN2021A Wakefield, MA man and nine other adults plus one child 928 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,040 were in a hours long standoff with police. 929 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,760 They claimed that they were traveling to inherited lands to 930 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,000 carry out militia type activities when the police 931 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:50,120 stopped them and saw they had a bunch of assault rifles and 932 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360 grenade launchers in the back of their car. 933 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,880 So that's fun, this. Is. 934 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,960 Crazy. They were going to go carry out 935 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,720 militia activities. I don't know what kind of 936 00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:07,120 militia you belong to where like the entry fee is like, hey, it's 937 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,840 100 bucks a month, you know, bring your own ammunition. 938 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,400 Got a rocket launcher? Bring it with you. 939 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:13,960 It's fine. We'll do that too. 940 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,160 Too easy. Like what are we doing? 941 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,800 Our obsession with the with guns and arms in this country. 942 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,080 It's a fantastic, I love it so much. 943 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,800 In Greenwood, Ms. in August of 2022, authorities in Alabama 944 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,920 arrested Edward Bush Junior, a self declared sovereign citizen, 945 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,680 after he allegedly shot his brother in Mississippi over a 946 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,000 disagreement, I believe, over a car. 947 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,920 So that's fun natural wise Joseph, a sovereign citizen who 948 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,880 claimed his legal name was straw man and his actual name was 949 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:55,160 quote X, the letter X, as in Malcolm X shot a man to death 950 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,480 for unclear reasons. Joseph pleaded guilty to 2nd 951 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,000 degree murder in 2022. But the part of that that's 952 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,640 really interesting is the straw man name that he calls himself 953 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:12,880 because that is a very, that's a a very common sovereign citizen 954 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,520 strategy when, when addressing themselves as, as individuals, 955 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,240 they always say, well, you mean the straw man of, of Greg or you 956 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:26,880 know, Greg, whatever. It's not a, an addressing of 957 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,440 themselves. It's the, well, you're talking 958 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,640 to what the government entity or the government corporation 959 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,240 entity that you think you're talking to. 960 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,880 But that's not who I am. I'm representing that figure, 961 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,360 but that's not my actual name. It's a very wild philosophy in 962 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,600 that way. So sovereign citizen Anthony 963 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,800 Azamaro allegedly killed his girlfriend by shooting her in 964 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,160 the head while she was in bed. He was charged for murder. 965 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,120 He was found to be incompetent to stay in trial in 2022. 966 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,160 But he was also declared himself to be a sovereign citizen. 967 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,560 And he, while going to trial, also pushed like Q Anon stuff 968 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480 and all sorts of other conspiracy theories. 969 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,000 So like these things have a lot of like the the again, the Venn 970 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,360 diagram is very robust in this world. 971 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,760 And of all the Moorish sovereign citizen crimes that have been 972 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,800 committed, this one in struck me as the most insane sovereign 973 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,680 citizen. Jerry Thompson was charged with 974 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,840 murder after killing his landlord with a samurai sword 975 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,160 following a dispute over rent. And I just saw your eyebrows go 976 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,920 way up. Like you, your, your eyebrows 977 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,360 just peaked hard. He beheaded his victim after and 978 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,560 he was convicted for murder in 2023. 979 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,760 And I'm just going to let you listen to the local news clip 980 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,960 from that night. A man named Jerry Thompson is 981 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,960 being held on $2,000,000 bond. He's accused of killing his 982 00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,640 roommate and landlord Victor King in their Hartford home with 983 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,480 a samurai sword. According to an arrest warrant 984 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,400 for Thompson, Victor King, his friend and neighbor all reached 985 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,400 out to Hartford police with concerns about King's safety. 986 01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,240 King told police on Saturday, July 25th, that Thompson was 987 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,640 threatening him with a samurai sword after he asked him to move 988 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,800 out for not paying rent. King's neighbor, Christopher 989 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,040 Monroe asked Hartford police to conduct a house call after not 990 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,560 hearing from King. King's friend called police 991 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,360 twice Sunday. Police found King on the kitchen 992 01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,960 floor surrounded by blood. They also found a signed lease 993 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,920 with Thompson and King's names. GPS locators on Thompson's phone 994 01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,600 placed him in Bloomfield, IN. Farmington River. 995 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:41,000 Park So yeah, this guy, yeah, this guy, he fucking chopped his 996 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,880 roommate's head off because you know, he wasn't going to pay 997 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:53,960 rent. Sovereign citizens are fucking 998 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,240 like it's funny because they get into fights with police about 999 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,120 like their their right for travel and then they're also 1000 01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,760 fucking terrifying because they'll go as far as chopping 1001 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,400 off their roommates head because they don't want to pay rent. 1002 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,720 This is a very interesting wide umbrella to say the least. 1003 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,160 It there's just so many layers to it because you just think of 1004 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,920 all of yeah, I mean, I guess you can't say it for every like 1005 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,280 religious cult or, or movement like that. 1006 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,800 But they're like when we talked about move, there's a lot of 1007 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,600 really good stuff in there trying to, you know, take back 1008 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,880 to the land, trying to, you know, organize for black people, 1009 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,400 you know, try to go against kind of normal society. 1010 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,640 And then it it can get just get so corrupted so quickly. 1011 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:52,680 Or then you have people that either have these really big 1012 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:58,200 personality disorders are mentally ill that that are 1013 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,040 hurting and killing people. Yeah, man, I, I, you know, when 1014 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,960 I think about it and I was, you know, reading all this stuff 1015 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,880 about, you know, the Moorish sovereign citizen movement and 1016 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,960 just thinking like it's a, it's a, it's one of those things 1017 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,240 where kind of like we were talking. 1018 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,360 I mean, you brought it up and it was a great example of around 1019 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:24,160 move and I, you know, I I extend that thinking to like ideas of 1020 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,760 like, well, yeah, no, when when Tucker Carlson and and Ted Cruz 1021 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080 got into that fight and we're all like, yeah, go Tucker. 1022 01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,080 Like it was that one memo where we could all kind of agree like, 1023 01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:38,040 yeah, you know what, Like, all right, I'm not maybe I'm not on 1024 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,320 board with like the whole Louisiana purchase thing. 1025 01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:47,320 But like, there's got to be something more like Black people 1026 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,120 do deserve a whole lot more recognition for what we've done 1027 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,040 for the nation. And, you know, we can maybe have 1028 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,040 a conversation around reparations or something like 1029 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,320 that, right. Like, but you know, as well as I 1030 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,400 know that we weren't here first. It's just like, that's just not 1031 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,760 like, like the mythology of things and like, oh, well, 1032 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,760 you're a sovereign citizen. Well, what does that? 1033 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,280 Oh, you're going to cut your roommates. 1034 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:09,960 Oh, OK. Yeah, no, you got a samurai 1035 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,360 sword, dude, go for it. Whatever. 1036 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,360 Like that's there's, there's, there's got to be like a 1037 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,120 backstop to that kind of thinking at some point in time, 1038 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:23,040 right? Yeah, there there has to be some 1039 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,560 some rules that everybody has to follow and not just people that 1040 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:28,120 choose to. Yeah. 1041 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:29,840 No, I agree with that. I agree with that. 1042 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,600 Let me go ahead and let's go ahead and give our final 1043 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,800 thoughts and then we can wrap up our episode. 1044 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,280 And so my final thoughts are this. 1045 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,160 If you come across a sovereign citizen, run. 1046 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,760 Don't stick around. It's the best advice I've got. 1047 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:50,120 They're crazy group of people who, much like a big Dick toilet 1048 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,360 or Bigfoot doll, should be forgotten about at all cost and 1049 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,240 ignored. I imagine talking to them is 1050 01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,680 like asking a four year old to explain black holes. 1051 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,600 You won't understand a fucking thing they've got to say and 1052 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,480 they're going to make up 90% of it. 1053 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,520 So just do your best. If you ever come across one of 1054 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,000 them, ignore them at all costs. You'll be able to note, You'll 1055 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,080 be able to note them if you're on the road with when they've 1056 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,680 got a license plate that says sovereign. 1057 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,480 Like that's like it's not or or exempt. 1058 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,960 If you see that, just go around them or stay back. 1059 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,040 Give them like 30 cars because they're going to fucking do 1060 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,240 something weird out there. Sergio, I'll turn it over to 1061 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,440 you. Just take it aback. 1062 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,360 It, it, it is really interesting because a lot of these big 1063 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:43,480 movements we we said earlier have some pretty solid core like 1064 01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:49,720 beliefs and starts to it. However, it just goes to show in 1065 01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:54,240 most cases when things go unchecked and you don't have 1066 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,200 rule and you don't have boundaries, that things move 1067 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:05,200 into the extremes and you have people that are breaking laws, 1068 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,320 killing other people and don't feel like they have to follow 1069 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,200 the same kind of rules that everybody else has to follow. 1070 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,400 It's, you know, in a, in a lot more simplistic way, it's, you 1071 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,600 know, the person that just, you know, wants cut in line and just 1072 01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,240 looks at you and says, what are you going to do about it? 1073 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And a trimmed down way that is 1074 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,600 it, isn't it? Yeah. 1075 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,440 I, I think that it's, it's, you know, if we're playing by the 1076 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:36,800 rules of the 1700s, you're not like, you belong in a like 1077 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:42,000 really small part of like the, the, the like Ohio, Pennsylvania 1078 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,080 line, like you, you don't belong to regular society at that 1079 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,120 point. And maybe maybe the best option 1080 01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,600 is to give them like North Dakota and just be like, hey, 1081 01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,920 this is your place, do whatever you want. 1082 01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,400 I feel like Wyoming's got too much natural beauty. 1083 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:03,280 I feel like North Dakota is like Canada, Canada, Canadian plains 1084 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,960 South, and we just give them that and just be like, run with 1085 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,360 it. Do whatever you want out here. 1086 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,600 Fuck it, we don't care. There's nothing out here for you 1087 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,640 anyway. Eastern Colorado Shitty. 1088 01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,880 It's all desert. It's true we can give them a 1089 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,240 couple High Plains, but they'd find some way to fuck up like 1090 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,240 the natural wildlife out there. Give them, give them nothing. 1091 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:25,600 Give them North Dakota, But yeah, anyway, fuck those people. 1092 01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:27,960 Fuck the sovereign citizens. I'm sure we're going to come 1093 01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,400 back to these guys eventually because there are lots of 1094 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,200 different types of philosophies that we could talk about with 1095 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,480 these guys. But until then, listeners, we 1096 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,240 want to thank you for enjoying another episode of At the 1097 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,960 Extremes. Do subscribe and share. 1098 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,320 It goes a long way. You can reach out to some Blue 1099 01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:45,680 Sky at the Extremes pod. You can check our show notes. 1100 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,520 And until next week. Educate yourself bro.