1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,200 everybody to another episode of the Men's Sexual Mastery podcast 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,880 where we are supporting our brothers awakening and 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,640 empowering and aligning themselves into their fullest 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,920 sexual potential, stepping into the men they came here to be. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,320 I'm joined here today by my fellow Co host and Co founder 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,720 Ian Hawks as well as my brother Mark Holman. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,320 Mark, it's great to have you on the show today. 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Welcome, brother. Yeah, thanks man. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,680 I'm excited to dive in. Yeah. 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,720 And so for anyone listening in, Mark is a men's holistic health 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,320 and testosterone optimization coach. 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,680 He is the founder of Unchained, a men's online support community 13 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,600 that is helping men reclaim their holistic male testosterone 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:58,760 optimization and stepping into the leadership and the the 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,560 masculinity that is our birthright. 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,200 And Mark, I'd love to just start by passing out things to you to 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,440 share a little bit about what you do and what brought you into 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,160 this work. Yeah. 19 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,840 So a little bit about what I do mentalistic health. 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,240 So the main thing that I focus on is testosterone and how I do 21 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,360 that is through using functional blood work. 22 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,400 So I address the root cause, like I was telling you guys a 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,400 little bit before this of we're not using like TRT or anything 24 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,800 like that. We're addressing the actual root 25 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,280 cause as to why a man's testosterone might be low, why a 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 man's health, energy, vitality are all out of whack. 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,840 And we're addressing that. And how I do that is through 28 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,760 using blood work and analyzing that and seeing how all the 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,160 different pieces fit together. One what like nutrient 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,960 deficiencies there might be, if there's gut health issues, if 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,160 organs like the thyroid are dysfunctional, All of these 32 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,760 things like the body is such a complex Organism. 33 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,120 Looking at the different systems, how they're functioning 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:07,400 and then optimizing for that and how I got into this, just my own 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,400 journey. I used to work at 9:00 to 5:00 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,400 as an engineer and I was just like, I hated it every second of 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,400 it. I was depressed, I was lonely. 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,160 I had low testosterone, all of the symptoms of it, like low 39 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,560 energy, everything I had. And so I know what it feels like 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,720 with low testosterone and just not feeling masculine, not 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,640 having any type of masculine essence or potency. 42 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,480 And so now on the other side of that, I know what it's like to 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,280 like be in masculine leadership and have high testosterone. 44 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,640 And I just want every man on the planet to experience that and 45 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:45,600 feel that because there's so much power that comes from it. 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,120 When your health, your hormones are all locked in. 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,760 And then you have the embodiment piece and the personal 48 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,360 development, sexual mastery side of things to then plug into and 49 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,720 just become like the fullest expression of man that you can, 50 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,800 you can be. Yeah, brother. 51 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,480 Well, celebrating you, honoring you for stepping into that work 52 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,880 and into that leadership, you know, assisting so many men. 53 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:14,440 I was curious to ask, you know, there's a a bit of an epidemic 54 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,600 that I just for anyone who's tuning in here that they may not 55 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,560 be aware of with testosterone and can you speak a little bit 56 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,480 about that? Yeah. 57 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,960 So the quote, there's a quote that goes, I think it's a 20 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,800 year old today has the same testosterone levels as a 67 year 59 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,440 old in the year 2000. So that just illustrates the 60 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,240 decline of testosterone and just how men are showing up as well 61 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,960 As for the factors at play, it's holistic, right? 62 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,000 There's tons, there's tons of them. 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,520 The main ones we can boil down to I think are men are a lot 64 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,240 more stressed, a lot more stressed out. 65 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,640 They're working these nine to five jobs in cubicles doing 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,640 things that they necessarily don't really want to do. 67 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,480 They're not connected to their purpose and that creates a sense 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,960 of dis ease and stress within their body. 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,080 And that can up regulate cortisol, which is going to 70 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,720 trash testosterone levels. Sleep. 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Men aren't sleeping. People in general just aren't 72 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,240 sleeping as well as deeply due to the junk light that's around 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,640 everywhere, the stress as well that's playing into that poor 74 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,760 nutritional habits just like not taking care of care of 75 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,120 themselves. And then we can go more into the 76 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,000 societal aspects of almost this war on masculinity and calling 77 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,920 masculinity toxic. And from a young age, boys are 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,400 told being a man and being manly is wrong and how that is 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,400 implicating on their behavior and them being more passive. 80 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,360 And when you're more passive, like testosterone operates on a 81 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,600 positive feedback. If you're more passive, you let 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,000 people cross your boundaries, that's going to lower your 83 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,080 testosterone. Rather, if you're a strong, 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,640 assertive, dominant man, that's going to not only produce more 85 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,520 testosterone, but it's also what makes testosterone as well. 86 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Yeah. Can you speak a little more to 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,880 that? I was curious to hear you said a 88 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,480 positive feedback loop. Is that what you called it? 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,680 Could you could you actually speak a little more about that? 90 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Yeah. So it's essentially like 91 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:18,280 twofold. Men with higher testosterone do 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,200 habits and do things that create more testosterone. 93 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,240 So let's we can use the the passive versus assertive 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,240 example. A man who's more passive, he's 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,520 probably gonna like on average, he's gonna have lower 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,840 testosterone levels. Therefore he's not going to have 97 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:36,200 the ability, the the physiological prerequisite to 98 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:40,440 have confidence to have self worth, to then assert himself, 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,280 to assert boundaries, to hold up boundaries. 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,400 And therefore that's a negative feedback loop. 101 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Like when you get when you get a boundary crossed, when you're 102 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,520 more passive and you know, inside like I, I could have done 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,040 something different there. I could have, I could have 104 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,000 spoken up and you don't. I feel like a lot of us know 105 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,280 that feeling. I was just like just 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,720 constrictive and there's a lot of different things that are 107 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,560 going on, but that is that negative feedback loop of 108 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,680 testosterone starting to decrease as well. 109 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,560 So on the flip side of that, a man who's confident, who's 110 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,800 assertive, just if his testosterone levels are base 111 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,800 level higher, he's going to have more confidence. 112 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:23,640 He's going to feel more able to assert himself or have a create 113 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,840 a confrontation, have an opinion that might be disagreed with, 114 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,560 but he has more confidence in his self, more self 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,040 assertiveness so that he's more willing to to do something about 116 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,680 it. And then you know the feeling of 117 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,520 that as well. Like you assert yourself, you 118 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,000 hold a boundary. It's like, fuck yeah, like no 119 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,880 one can can cross me. You feel kind of that like I'm 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,960 untouchable, that then it's the positive feedback loop that 121 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,720 tells your body that we're producing more. 122 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,720 This is the type of man that we're, we are. 123 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,440 This is the type of life that we live. 124 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,280 And that makes the the positive feedback loop go and produce 125 00:06:56,280 --> 00:06:59,400 even more. Yeah, well, I love that you're 126 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,480 bringing in the mindset piece around this too. 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,640 I can really sense everything you're talking about is so is so 128 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,960 holistic. And yeah, I, I love that there's 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,320 nothing missed, you know, in this approach that you're 130 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,520 speaking to. I'm curious for, for the average 131 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,760 guy, let's say that comes to you that, you know, let's say he's 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,360 got his sleep routine down, he's his stress levels are, you know, 133 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,400 maintained. He's on purpose, he's working 134 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,600 out, he's got a good nutrition, he's eating well, he's doing 135 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,600 high intensity training and everything else. 136 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 When you do the blood work with these guys or when guys come 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,680 into your training program, what would you say are the most 138 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:41,200 common areas that he actually could use more assistance in and 139 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,600 what what do you usually bring to guys who are kind of already 140 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,440 at a a solid baseline? Yeah, that's a really good 141 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,040 question. And what I see a lot is 142 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,680 absorption issues, especially for the guys who, like, I'm 143 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,880 doing everything right and like I'm eating clean and I'm eating 144 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,800 all the right foods, get into the blood work. 145 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,840 And I see like, maybe their cholesterol is low because 146 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,520 they're not able to absorb and digest the fats in their food. 147 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Like they might eat tons of eggs, but they're not absorbing 148 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,120 that and therefore they're not getting the nutrients, they're 149 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,600 not getting the prerequisites to actually produce testosterone. 150 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,080 So that's a big one that I see is like the lack of absorption, 151 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,480 which could be caused by either like a gut infection, like a 152 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,160 SIBO, candida mold, something like that, or just again, not 153 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,960 having the adequate nutrients. Deficiencies in zinc and B12 can 154 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,200 create low stomach acid. And then if you have low stomach 155 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,520 acid, you're not going to be able to digest protein, digest 156 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,960 the nutrients that come in the foods. 157 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,559 And that's that's probably the biggest one that I see pretty 158 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,080 consistently. Mark, when you're speaking to 159 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,960 looking at blood work in that sense is would if somebody had 160 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,760 like high total testosterone levels but low free testosterone 161 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,840 levels, is that something that would also clue you into an 162 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,960 absorption issue? Potentially. 163 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,880 So I feel like a lot of the questions that you're going to 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,600 ask, I'm going to say it depends because it does. 165 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,920 So potentially, yeah, it could be a nutrient deficiency based 166 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,800 on absorption. Usually when free levels are 167 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,000 low, it's because SHBG, sex hormone binding globulin is 168 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,920 high. And that could be high due to a 169 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,120 whole host of reasons. It's produced in the liver. 170 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,640 So there's a lot of liver connection with that. 171 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,600 So if the liver is a little bit out of whack, like if someone's 172 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,160 drinking, that goes in hand in hand with the absorption issues 173 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:30,880 as well. Bile is produced in the liver 174 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,400 and bile is needed to absorb fats. 175 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,160 So there's a lot of in interconnectivity with that 176 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,400 nutrient deficiencies as well. So like if you're a division in 177 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,960 vitamin D, that's not really an absorption thing. 178 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,240 That's more of like a lifestyle sunlight thing, but then also 179 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:49,960 making sure your magnesium status is, is adequate too. 180 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,680 So I'm just like branching off all these different different 181 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,440 tangents based on that one question and short answer like 182 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,760 yes, but long answer there's a lot more interconnectivity as to 183 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:08,640 like maybe why? Yeah, I appreciate that root 184 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,600 cause approach that you're taking and it certainly does 185 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,640 require a lot of a lot of asterisks and further 186 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,640 investigations. So appreciate that you're doing 187 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,920 that with men. It's, you know, my partner's a 188 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,160 naturopathic Dr. and one of the things that that she often says 189 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:34,680 is libido and our sexual health is directly related and a result 190 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:36,400 of our overall health and vitality. 191 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:42,200 And I, I think that our hormone levels and those markers in our 192 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,040 blood work are, can also be representative of what's going 193 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,000 on behind the scenes and can, can require a deeper dive into 194 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:56,560 repair and adjusting certain diet or lifestyle approaches or 195 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,000 incorporating other means of, of healing to, to actually prime 196 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,360 the body to, to be in a state to hold a higher sexual health. 197 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,520 Is that, yeah. Does that like feel true in your 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:10,760 work? Yeah, 100%. 199 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,720 Like tapping on that too. You can see someone maybe have 200 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,480 high total testosterone and high free testosterone, but they 201 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320 still have a low libido. That could be due to the the 202 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,600 balance of all the other things. So like estradiol, estrogen 203 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,200 levels and prolactin levels, if those two are also really high 204 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,880 as well, the balance can be thrown off and they can 205 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,080 experience the low testosterone symptoms like the lack of 206 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,000 libido, maybe poor erection quality as well. 207 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,560 So it's like, again, there's just like another, there's like 208 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,600 continually deeper and deeper layers to this. 209 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 Like most people, they just look at total testosterone. 210 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,120 They don't know about free. Then you can look at free and 211 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,120 then you think you stopped there, but then it's like, OK, 212 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,960 what about SHBG? What about prolactin? 213 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,360 What about estradiol? We're getting a little bit 214 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,320 technical here, but it's about the just like driving home the 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,120 point of it's the whole picture. It's holistic. 216 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,200 It's like everything. You can just look at one marker 217 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,960 in isolation and conclude from that. 218 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:12,400 You need to see the whole thing. Yeah, And just to hop in here 219 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,680 too, just for our listeners tuning in, you know, it would be 220 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,320 a disservice to not mention, of course, the effects, the 221 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,960 correlation between testosterone and your sexual health. 222 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,760 So I'll name a few. And Mark, I'd love to just hear 223 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,360 any additional riffs you have as an expert in this. 224 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,560 You know, I think the biggest one most guys know is obviously 225 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:36,880 just confidence and, you know, feeling well and feeling that 226 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,920 assertiveness, that positive feedback loop. 227 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,680 You spoke to libido, the production of nitric oxide and 228 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:46,960 increased vascular, you know, increased direction, quality 229 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,400 sperm production. Are there any others you would 230 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,280 throw into their mark that in ways that testosterone can 231 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,280 optimize your sex life? Yeah, energy levels. 232 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,320 So like if you work a nine to five or just a normal job or 233 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,760 even as an entrepreneur, you come home and you're exhausted. 234 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Like that's going to impact your sexual health as well. 235 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:05,720 You're not going to have the desire. 236 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,880 You might have the desire, but like it fades because you're 237 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:14,080 just like, I can't, I don't have the energy to even get up and go 238 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,840 to go pee or whatever. So like that's a that's a big 239 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,680 one there. Yeah. 240 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,320 Confidence was, it was a big one too, just like self worth, like 241 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,680 maybe that desire isn't there because of insecurity that that 242 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,240 you might have coming from like a different, different ones 243 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,080 there. Yeah. 244 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:41,280 I think those from the sexual health lens, I think those are 245 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,080 pretty comprehensive. Yeah. 246 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,120 And I was curious, Mark, if so, if someone were to step into 247 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,320 your program and into what you do and what you offer, what is 248 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,440 the process look like? So let's back up again to let's 249 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,520 say that guy who kind of has a pretty standard baseline. 250 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,040 He's health conscious, he's fit, he's doing all these things. 251 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,200 And you mentioned those markers that may be off. 252 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,400 What would the process look like if he were to start working with 253 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,040 you? And I I believe you offer a free 254 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,200 blood analysis right to begin. And then how would you guide 255 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,400 that man along the path? Yeah. 256 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,760 So like I said, it all starts with blood work. 257 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,600 If they have blood work, they come in and I'll be able to look 258 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,280 at it and tell them like this, this and this, and then come up 259 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,920 with a protocol that's specific to them. 260 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,120 But yeah, all starts with blood work. 261 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Comprehensive panel. It's not just hormones, it's not 262 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,120 just what's your testosterone at. 263 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,440 It's literally like 50 plus markers, sometimes 6065 plus. 264 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Just getting a really comprehensive view of what's 265 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,040 going on with this person's health from a foundational 266 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,440 level, holistically, all the different systems. 267 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,640 And then from that developed training, lifestyle, 268 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,360 supplementation, nutrition based on what gaps he has. 269 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,640 So it's very like precise. It's not just like, this is my 270 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,480 dogma. I'm a carnivore. 271 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,240 So like everyone has to do carnivore. 272 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,160 I'm a carnivore coach. Like, no, not at all. 273 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,680 Because for some people that might not work. 274 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,240 Some people, they might have hemochromatosis and if they eat 275 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,480 a ton of red meat, their iron goes through the roof and they 276 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,080 just can't handle that. That's just like one example. 277 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,200 So it's really just finding what that person needs exactly where 278 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 they're at in their life, their stress levels, their goals, 279 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,360 their Physiology, their biology, like even their psychology, all 280 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,400 of that, it's factored in. And then we come up with this 281 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,560 protocol that's very clear, very precise. 282 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,720 And the only like the only way that they don't get results is 283 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,720 if they don't do it. So like I'm pretty confident in 284 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,360 that because it's based on them. It's, it's pretty clear. 285 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,720 So then I create the like structure and systems to ensure 286 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,920 that they do do it. So like if usually if someone 287 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,160 comes into my world like and they join the program and they 288 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,800 have the like application and the agency to do it, there's no 289 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:55,880 way they're not going to get a result. 290 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Yeah. And do you do panels like every 291 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,560 couple months and things like that just to be checking in on 292 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,640 all those levels? Yeah, depends on the person at 293 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,320 least like a start and a finish. I like to do every six months. 294 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Yeah, six months. So I do also like midway 295 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,560 through. So like we'll run through 296 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,000 initial protocol, see how that goes, Check, check back in. 297 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,480 Usually things have improved and then we can be a little bit more 298 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,000 specific and customized based on what that person wants. 299 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,440 So usually it's like phase one, optimize health foundationally. 300 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 And then phase two, it's like go hard on hormones, whether that's 301 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,960 like specific supplementation, like leaning more into the 302 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,000 leadership side of things and like the high tea lifestyle and 303 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,880 the the competition and assertiveness and that that side 304 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,320 of things, the embodiment side of things to just really just 305 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,760 blow, blow the top off. Mark, you mentioned supplements 306 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,840 there. Could you speak to what some of 307 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,720 your supplement protocols or some of your favorite 308 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,280 supplements are? Yeah. 309 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,240 So I find it really interesting that that's the biggest question 310 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,840 that I get. Like what supplements do I take 311 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,480 for testosterone optimization? Like everyone's asked me that 312 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,599 studies have shown that like supplements are only going to 313 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:15,960 give you 10 to 20% increase. So very, they do have a place. 314 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,880 And then coming back to the question and I, I like 315 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,079 supplements like I'm, I'm not saying that they're, they're 316 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:22,960 worthless, but there's a lot more at play. 317 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,599 But also with this, like within this, there's so much just even 318 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:29,440 within the supplement conversation, we can talk for, 319 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,600 for hours. First off, it's like you need to 320 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,280 supplement with what your body needs. 321 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,480 So zinc is, some people say zinc's an amazing test booster. 322 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,200 If you're not deficient in zinc, it's not going to do shit for 323 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,200 you because you're fine already. The only reason why it increases 324 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,720 testosterone is if it's deficient. 325 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,200 Yeah. And if you're overdoing it with 326 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,760 something like zinc, that can actually have a detrimental 327 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,080 effect to, I think it's calcium levels. 328 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,840 Or. Copper, yeah, it'll throw off 329 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,680 copper levels and other micro micronutrients like magnesium 330 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,720 and calcium are similar to that. Like all these nutrients, if you 331 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,200 over supplement, they can throw the balance of something else 332 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,680 off. So that's a really important 333 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,120 thing to note. Like does your body need this? 334 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,760 How do you know that you do bloods? 335 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,440 And then you also have to know what the supplement does. 336 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,520 So a lot of people talk about Tong Cat Alley like I love Tong 337 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,840 Cat alley. I've had great results with 338 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,440 that. Why most people use it and use 339 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,080 it is because they just it's AT booster. 340 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,960 But in reality, what it does is it it helps with the stress 341 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,560 mediate mediated response. So if someone's like really 342 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,640 stressed out, that's where Tongkat could be really good for 343 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,880 that person. If someone has a stress 344 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,320 management and levels fine, they take Tom Katali, they might not 345 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,720 get the the boost that they wanted. 346 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,240 So it's really being intelligent with the supplementation. 347 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,720 It's being precise with that, not just like throwing the whole 348 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,840 cabinet list at at you and just see what sticks. 349 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,920 That might work because one of the one or two of those your 350 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,240 body might actually need. But then you just don't really 351 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,920 know you don't know what worked. And then going even deeper on 352 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,320 that, the supplement industry wildly unregulated. 353 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,840 So you can get, again, with Tom Katali, you can get a Tong 354 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,680 Katali product, but if it's shit quality, it's not going to have 355 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,840 any of the active ingredient that's actually doing the thing 356 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,320 that increases your testosterone. 357 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:17,720 So making sure these ingredients are high quality, they're 358 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,280 standardized for the active ingredient that's like studied 359 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,480 in studies. So there's a little bit of like 360 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,600 research that someone has to do or like obviously I know all 361 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,440 this stuff. So working with a professional 362 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,240 that knows how to properly supplement with the right things 363 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,840 based on what that person actually needs. 364 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,080 Yeah. And source too, right, Those 365 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:38,960 connections. Yeah. 366 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,360 Yeah. I had a question here, Mark, 367 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:46,360 about your perspective on semen retention. 368 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:49,560 At Men's Sexual Mastery, we like to use the word semen intention, 369 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,360 not retention, because there can be extreme cases of problems 370 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,040 that come up with retention. But just in general, do you see 371 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:02,040 a correlation, you know, in your work and your metrics with guys 372 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,720 conserving their semen and their testosterone levels? 373 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,400 Yeah. So there's actually a study that 374 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:14,920 was done that showed semen retention or intention for a 375 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,120 week and then on the 5th day there was 100% increase in 376 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,320 testosterone. I don't really think that that 377 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,800 study's that high quality, but it's kind of interesting to see 378 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,920 that after a few days of the boost was pretty, pretty high. 379 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,160 I think just from I can break this down from like a science 380 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,640 level of let's take the the typical guy who's not semen, not 381 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,040 doing semen retention, he's probably watching porn and he's 382 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,440 probably ejaculating, you know, if if not every day, like let's 383 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,880 say three times a week. So physiologically, when you're 384 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,560 consistently ejaculating, something called prolactin goes 385 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,920 really high and prolactin lowers testosterone, it creates a lower 386 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Dr. lower motivation, can create brain fog, can create that just 387 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,800 like, you know, after you ejaculate a man just like, OK, 388 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,080 cool, I want to go to bed now. Like think about that 389 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,280 consistently elevated. So you're going to get that 390 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,560 same. That's going to be your baseline 391 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,600 if you're consistently ejaculating. 392 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,240 And then also from a neurotransmitter perspective, 393 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,120 when you're ejaculating alone and using porn and masturbation, 394 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,760 that dump of dopamine and skyrocket of prolactin is a lot 395 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,600 more exaggerated than if you were having sex with a partner. 396 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,040 So like that's a key distinction there as well based on the 397 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,880 neurotransmitters. And then when dopamine gets 398 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:30,600 crashed through porn, through consistent masturbation, that's 399 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,520 like key for drive and motivation and dopamine and 400 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,840 testosterone heavily correlated. So if you're dumping your 401 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,360 dopamine, testosterone's going to follow and it's going to be 402 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:41,360 low as well. And then speaking anecdotally, 403 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,720 so I went through a breakup about a year ago and then after 404 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,880 that, like two months after that, I went into like a semen 405 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,520 retention. And let's say that was maybe in 406 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,120 December. And then I did a test in 407 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:59,880 February, and that's when my testosterone was the highest. 408 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,880 I don't think there was the sole reason, but it was a 409 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,040 contributing factor. And then also anecdotally, how I 410 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,720 was feeling like again, without that consistent dump of 411 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:13,280 dopamine, without the rise and prolactin, I was able to use 412 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,520 more of that energy and recirculate it back into myself. 413 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,920 And I just felt like AI felt like a fucking beast. 414 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,400 Like my driving motivation was at all time highs, my libido was 415 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,440 like through the roof, I was crushing in business. 416 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,040 Like every aspect of my life was just way better. 417 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:33,760 And there's a lot of other things that were at play as 418 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,200 well. But it it is something that I 419 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,160 would recommend. And I do feel like there's tons 420 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 and tons of value. I don't think the science is 421 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,280 really there yet. It's because it's like more of 422 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,880 an esoteric practice and getting that studied might be a little 423 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,120 bit difficult. But I think just because this is 424 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,520 my kind of gripe with the scientific community as well as 425 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,680 like just because there's only anecdotal evidence doesn't mean 426 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,240 that it's not true. Like maybe there's not a peer 427 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320 reviewed study on this. It doesn't mean that it's not 428 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,240 true. Like the, our capability of 429 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,800 understanding and seeing and experiencing everything in the 430 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,120 universe is, is where we get like 1%. 431 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,000 So thinking that just because there's no peer reviewed study 432 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,920 on it doesn't mean that it's true. 433 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,040 Like I think that's kind of crazy. 434 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,160 So anecdotally, I think there's a lot of evidence. 435 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,640 You talk to anyone who's done it, they're like, bro, it's 436 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,160 amazing. And I think that's that's 437 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,080 enough. Yeah, yeah. 438 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,560 And that's AI. Appreciate those shares. 439 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,120 And just as a brother who is devoted to understanding the 440 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,520 science, you know the whole holistic picture. 441 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,640 Anecdotally, I would just be curious if you were to guess 442 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,600 based on your own personal experience, what percentage it, 443 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,160 let's say if 10 to 20% of your testosterone levels or your 444 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,320 masculine embodiment is due to supplements supplementation. 445 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,440 If you were to throw semen retention into that, what what 446 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,120 kind of a category would it be similar to that or what would 447 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,320 you rank that at? Yeah, that's an interesting one. 448 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,920 I haven't really thought too much about that. 449 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:03,720 I think if you're, I think there's a lot of intention that 450 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,640 needs to go into it as well. If you're just doing it just to 451 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,320 do it, maybe percentage is a little bit lower. 452 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,600 But if you're very intentional with it and like actively 453 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,440 recirculating that energy into other things, like intentionally 454 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,560 back into yourself, I think you can get a pretty high, high 455 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,000 boost. Hard for me to say percentage 456 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,640 wise though, Like I'm nothing, no numbers really coming to 457 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,200 mind. It's kind of hard for me to 458 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,160 pinpoint that. Yeah, I know because there's no 459 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,880 science behind it or anything like that. 460 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,560 It's hard to like go out on a limb and say a percentage, but 461 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,160 would you say it's like a significant or very or minor? 462 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,880 I would. I would say it's significant, 463 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,400 yeah, yeah. I, I think about it similarly to 464 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080 something you spoke to at the beginning of the conversation, 465 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:51,440 Mark this, these cascading benefits, you're talking about 466 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,600 how as we become more assertive, as we create more boundaries, as 467 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000 we create more structure and direction and purpose in our 468 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 life, that has a positive influence on our testosterone 469 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,720 levels, which will then result in US having more energy and 470 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040 capacity to continue in that direction. 471 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,480 And I look at semen intention in a similar way as we create that 472 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,400 containment and direction and intention in our life. 473 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,960 And all those felt experiences, regardless of whether they can 474 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,920 be shown in a lab result or not, those felt experiences of 475 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:30,240 increased libido, increased Dr. something that almost across the 476 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,800 board men coming through our program experiences like, oh, if 477 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,680 I wasn't already working out, now I'm practicing semen 478 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,680 intention and I've got all this energy and it needs somewhere to 479 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,320 go. So I'm going to go hit the gym. 480 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:45,680 Like so many guys come into our program and within a few weeks 481 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,040 they're like, yeah, so I started working out again and it feels 482 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,840 great. And so I also look at it, it's 483 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,120 like it's, it's one, it's one piece that can have a much, it 484 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:58,640 can influence so many other aspects of our lifestyle that 485 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,640 all of that combined is, is part of the big picture, which is 486 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520 what I think you're really looking at and, and working 487 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,560 with. Yeah, I love that lens too, 488 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,840 because like something I I also say is like testosterone, having 489 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,720 adequate levels of that gets you into the arena, like you're 490 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:21,360 more, more able to approach whatever might be uncomfortable 491 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,120 or something that you want to avoid. 492 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,640 And that's, that's the moment where you gain skills, you gain 493 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,920 more confidence. And that's like also a key part 494 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,040 of the, the positive feedback loop of getting into the arena 495 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,320 and like doing doing things and having like, if you're low T, 496 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,800 you're less likely to, to do things to approach, like 497 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,560 approach a woman that you find is cute to speak up in a 498 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,120 business meeting and, and bring up an idea. 499 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,320 And then so like high tea men, they get further in life because 500 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,240 they have that prerequisite to then like approach a cert and do 501 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,760 all these things. And that's just like the 502 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,280 positive feedback a little bit. As well. 503 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,760 Yeah. And I'm loving this 504 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,040 conversation. It's just, you know, to me, the 505 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,920 these foundational pillars just for guys tuning in, you know, 506 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,440 and you spoke in the very beginning about stress, cortisol 507 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,200 levels being connected to purpose, being like #1 sleep, 508 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,880 you know, I would even throw in like hydration, nutrition, 509 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,280 working out, you know, and getting high intensity, high 510 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,800 strength workouts. I would also add in that seem 511 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,280 the cool thing about our semen is that just like our sleep and 512 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,480 just like our stress levels, like some of the highest markers 513 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,360 and ways you can get started if you're listening on to this is 514 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:41,000 really already within you and it's free, you know, and once 515 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 you get it optimized, actually once you get it dialed in, I can 516 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,840 imagine, Mark, for guys who come through your training program 517 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,560 and they're in that positive feedback loop and it's 518 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,520 compounding, right? Like the actual maintenance of 519 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,880 it once it's up and running, even with the initial upfront 520 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,520 expenses like investing a professional like you getting 521 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,440 the blood work done, investing in the supplementation, getting 522 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,240 a gym membership, you know, all these investments like once you 523 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,760 get to that level, I can imagine the maintenance is actually it 524 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,680 just compounds on itself. Would you say that feels? 525 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720 True. Yeah, 100% because especially 526 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,160 from the lifestyle perspective, like you, you get yourself out 527 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560 of the low T hole. That's the hardest part. 528 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,120 And it's like, you know, your lifestyle's in that negative 529 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,160 feedback loop and is once you pop into the positive feedback 530 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,040 loop, then it it just, it's just way easier because you're going 531 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,600 to have more and when you have more, you do more. 532 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,400 That gets you more. I'm curious, Mark, if you just 533 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,040 is a kind of a personal question and it might come off a little 534 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,240 funny, but when you interact with guys and like shake their 535 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,480 hands and are talking with them, Can you, I'm curious if do you 536 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,120 feel like you can get a pretty good sense of their T levels And 537 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,920 like could you actually write a number down? 538 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,880 And have you ever compared that with a guy who comes into your 539 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,840 program like on a discovery call and then guess what his. 540 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,240 Numbers are and do you feel like you, you get pretty attuned to 541 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160 that as a guy who works all the time. 542 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like I can, I can tell 'cause 543 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,840 it's, it's like a body language thing as well. 544 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,080 Handshake for sure. Like, you know, some people can 545 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,240 like overcompensate with that because they know it's a thing. 546 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680 Like I'm going to grip your hand really hard just just so you 547 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,440 know. But yeah, I can kind of tell 548 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640 just like how someone carries themselves, like if they're 549 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,600 going to be high T or low T, it's just, it's just different. 550 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Like it's something that you can feel, you can feel when a man is 551 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,000 like one embodied in their masculinity. 552 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,080 And then also I think that there's a lot of carryover 553 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,920 embodied in like have and also having high testosterone. 554 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640 You feel, you can feel that, especially if you've been in the 555 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,320 space and you've had conversations and you know, a 556 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,480 lot of the guys that get on calls with me, it's kind of like 557 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,720 a it's a challenge because you know, they're in the negative 558 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,840 feedback loop of low T and they like don't want to make a 559 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,840 decision. They want to, don't want to take 560 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,240 something that's a little bit uncomfortable. 561 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440 So then they get in that feedback loop and these are the 562 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,160 guys who like have to talk to their wife or can't make a 563 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,280 decision, can't step forward because they're just stuck in 564 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,040 that. So that's kind of the challenge 565 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,760 of getting these guys who struggle to make decisions to 566 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,000 make a decision that's going to like absolutely change their 567 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,360 life. And then once they get, once 568 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,760 they start and make that decision, like they're in my 569 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,960 world, there's no way they're failing. 570 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,560 I want to bring that back to an earlier thing we were talking 571 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,760 about around the relationship between testosterone and sex and 572 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,160 what you were speaking to there, Mark. 573 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,520 Like it's felt you can feel that as a man, and you can bet that 574 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:41,320 women are feeling that as well. And so like our attraction, the 575 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:47,560 level to which we are attractive to women is also related to our 576 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,480 testosterone levels, whether we like it or not. 577 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,360 It's not the only thing, but biologically there is something 578 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,200 there that is felt by the world around us. 579 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,320 And there's a reason why women, some women will sometimes go and 580 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,480 have an affair with the, with the biker, with the, the, the 581 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Uber masculine man or like, whether it's an affair or not, 582 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:15,000 they might go and have, you know, feel attracted and drawn 583 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,640 to that Uber masculine man, someone that's exuding some of 584 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,120 those qualities of high testosterone levels. 585 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,000 And there's a, there's, there is a biological piece at work 586 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,040 there. And, and I think that often 587 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,280 happens for women during ovulation when they're also at 588 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,520 their peak in their feminine expression and, and in their, 589 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,400 you know, sexual openness. And I'm just curious like what 590 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,680 comes up for you with that? Yeah, I love that conversation. 591 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,080 I make these posts sometimes. I used to think the caption was 592 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,960 like low testosterone men tend to get cheated on or get cheated 593 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,080 on and that it goes to what you're saying right there. 594 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,960 Like if you're a low testosterone man, you're 595 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,040 probably not leading as well as you could. 596 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,200 You don't have that like felt experience, probably don't have 597 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,560 like the attractive physique in all these different things. 598 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,520 But I think it more so it's just how how like the feminine is 599 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800 experiencing you as a low testosterone man. 600 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,720 They don't they're not really feeling much from you. 601 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,200 So if some other man who's just like embodied in high tea as 602 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,560 fuck, like it's kind of, it's kind of shitty to say, but I 603 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,920 feel like it's it's all over the averages. 604 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,120 It's going to be more true. If you just compare 2 scenarios 605 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,400 of a man who has high testosterone and he's showing up 606 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,120 and he's leading his woman, there's tons of polarity. 607 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,520 The likelihood of her going and seeking that elsewhere is very 608 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,120 low. She's not getting LED. 609 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,400 If she's not feeling like in her feminine, she's not feeling 610 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,880 desired and attractive. The high the likelihood of her 611 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,280 going elsewhere is higher. I mean, I think it's just, it's 612 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,920 just factual to say that some people get upset when I say 613 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,880 things like that. But I mean, it's just that it's 614 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,440 the truth in my opinion. Yeah, the polarity that you 615 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,480 spoke to is that's what was coming up for me as well. 616 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,000 This is like a biological polarity enhancer. 617 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,920 And it's not, you know, the it's a biological marker. 618 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,280 But as you're speaking to, it has all of these other 619 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840 influences on how we carry ourselves in the world. 620 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,440 And all of that serves to amplify polarity. 621 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,600 And when there's really strong polarity, there's strong 622 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,280 attraction and there's there's no way around that. 623 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920 I mean, there is a way around it, which is also really nice 624 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,240 empowering part about this is there are ways for us to 625 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,320 influence these levels. Yeah. 626 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,720 And one of the side effects of influencing these levels, if 627 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,200 done in a really holistic, intentional way with someone 628 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,920 like yourself, is that you're also just going to boost your 629 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,080 health and vitality in all aspects of life. 630 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,440 Yeah, you're just going to become more magnetic in general 631 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,120 because like I've experienced that that side of things of like 632 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,040 a, a low T man previously, like in the relationship, being a 633 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,719 nice guy, not being able to stand up for myself and just so 634 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,239 afraid of confrontation. So I've experienced that lack of 635 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,360 polarity and and that was in my previous relationship. 636 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,480 And yeah, I've I like the things that I was talking about. 637 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840 I have experienced that. I understand that. 638 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,400 I know what that feels like. So I feel like I can speak on 639 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,719 that pretty confidently. And then also I know the flip 640 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960 side of that and like the relationship that I'm in now is 641 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,880 so different because I'm more embodied in that high T in 642 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,320 masculine leadership, there is tons of polarity. 643 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,280 And so I've felt both. And so I feel like I can 644 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,960 confidently say that when a man is, we can say showing up as low 645 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,760 T. Like the felt experience from 646 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,560 the feminine is just like completely different. 647 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,640 And like if it's crazy because like when you're showing up in 648 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,960 that, that embodiment of masculinity, you just get 649 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,320 whatever the hell you want and it's just so good. 650 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,760 Yeah, Mark, actually that brought up a question I had for 651 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,360 you. You know, in a lot of our 652 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,840 teachings and you know, the Dow and a lot of these practices, 653 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,520 they talk about the middle path, which is called Wu Wei, between 654 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,960 the yin and the Yang and the, you know, the darkness and the 655 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,600 light, the masculine and the feminine. 656 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,400 And generally speaking, just as a principle of energy of the 657 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,360 laws of the universe, like there are these extremes and there is 658 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 harmony where we balance all things. 659 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,120 I'm curious within the realm and the lens of testosterone, if you 660 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,960 see an area where it can get out of balance and too extreme, and 661 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,720 if there's anything you could speak to about balance or 662 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:50,560 harmony in working towards building and optimizing your 663 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,360 testosterone. Yeah. 664 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:57,520 So I think in terms of like the natural route, I don't think you 665 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,920 can really get too far out of balance in terms of like too 666 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600 much testosterone. There can be out of bounds. 667 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,720 Like if your testosterone is a little bit higher than normal, 668 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,320 then like the estrogen, if you're aromatizing a lot, 669 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,520 estrogen can be a lot higher. And that can create like that's 670 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,360 actually what creates the anger and like the typical roid rage 671 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120 symptoms is that sometimes that's like their estrogen 672 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,360 levels are actually a lot higher than they need to be. 673 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,640 It's not necessarily just testosterone, because 674 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:36,560 testosterone it's can almost like lower that that aggression 675 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,400 in terms of like it can make you more grounded. 676 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,280 It can lower the feet. Like it quiets the amygdala, 677 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,600 which is the fear center in the brain. 678 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,840 So with like optimal levels of that, you're going to be calm, 679 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,920 which I've experienced as well. Like there's it's like the it's 680 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,440 more that like warrior in the garden of like you're you're 681 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,720 dangerous, but not a danger. I love that. 682 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,480 I think it's Travor Boehm. He's a fucking G. 683 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,680 So there's, there's that aspect and then going into the 684 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,320 unnatural route of like taking TRT that can get levels to a 685 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,160 pretty, pretty high level. And if you're not careful, 686 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,760 there's a lot of fertility things that can, that can that 687 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,440 can happen as well because you're shutting down the natural 688 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600 production. So your balls necessarily aren't 689 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,200 working anymore. So that's going to lower sperm 690 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,920 production as well. So that's how things can get out 691 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,040 of whack. If people, a lot of these young 692 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,440 guys are hopping on TRT because they want to get jacked fast, 693 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,800 but they don't realize that they could have some lasting impacts 694 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640 on their fertility if they want to be a father later down the 695 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,160 road. So like, there's a lot of 696 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,840 instances like that where there's consequences for these, 697 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,680 for these actions. Yeah. 698 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,400 I feel like there was one more thing I wanted to say but it 699 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,960 left me. Well, I appreciate what you said 700 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,680 about being a warrior in the garden. 701 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,360 And, you know, I definitely wanted to highlight that as well 702 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,960 as part of this conversation, you know, especially talking 703 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,560 about shaking a man's hand, feeling his T levels, feeling 704 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,520 his embodied masculinity. You know, I see personally like 705 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,480 testosterone as very similar to sexual energy, to money, to 706 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,480 power, to technology. None of these things are good or 707 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,200 evil. It's not like that. 708 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,680 It's just powerful. So it's like if we're, if this 709 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,360 is rocket fuel containment and integrity, I guess is the 710 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,920 biggest piece I want to bring in here. 711 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,600 You know, to me, shaking a man's hand who is powerful, who is 712 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,640 tapped into that energy, who can do anything and make the world, 713 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,760 you know, bend over at his will, but also has that restraint and 714 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,840 that ability to maintain coherence between his words and 715 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520 his actions. You know, that's a big piece 716 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600 that I, I think we're all probably on the same page on, 717 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,760 but just wanted to add that in as part of the stack as like 718 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,440 staying connected to the heart and not just being led by our 719 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,800 balls all the time. And we talk a lot in our work 720 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,600 about hardcock coherence. I sense that is like for me. 721 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:03,280 Just my own input on finding this balance and curious if 722 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,560 anything comes up for you in that. 723 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,040 Yeah, yeah. What I was going to say earlier 724 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,440 came back up. So thank you for pinging that in 725 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,720 me. Yeah. 726 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,520 So it's like you mentioned money and we look at money, it's just 727 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,600 an amplifier of everything of all your energy. 728 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,760 And I look at testosterone in the same way, like you said. 729 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,480 So if you're insecure, that's only going to amplify your 730 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,360 insecurities. Like if you like for whatever in 731 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,920 terms of in, in a relationship or in a like physical 732 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,680 standpoint, insecure about your body, like that's only going to 733 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,520 make these things more prevalent. 734 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,920 So that's where the the mental emotional embodiment part comes 735 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,240 in as well. And it's like equally as 736 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:48,880 important, you can have the physiological prereq, you can 737 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,800 OK, like you have high testosterone, but then how do 738 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,640 you use it? Like how are you able to direct 739 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,160 it almost like banks of a river, like without it, it just floods 740 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,200 everything. But using the embodiment and 741 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,880 probably like a lot of the skills and things that you guys 742 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,920 teach, to direct that energy and that high testosterone into 743 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000 aspects of your life that are productive. 744 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,680 Mark, can we talk numbers real quick here? 745 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,440 Yeah. I know that your approach is 746 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,880 taking a a big picture wide lens. 747 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,720 You said, I think 50 or 60 plus markers ideally, which is going 748 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,200 to require a thorough analysis. If somebody has already had 749 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,560 their blood work done and they have some of the simple markers 750 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,400 or if somebody was paying out of pocket for their blood work and 751 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,920 they're like, I can't do a full massive panel. 752 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,600 What are like the top three markers that you would look for? 753 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:52,760 And then could you share like what you would consider an 754 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,040 acceptable and then ideal range and maybe even just speaking to 755 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,560 free testosterone for that, if that feels like the the one 756 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,120 that's kind of, and I know acknowledging that this isn't 757 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,440 your approach, but also just giving the guys out there 758 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,440 something so they have some kind of an idea. 759 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,000 Yeah. No, I, I appreciate the 760 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,760 question. Since we're talking about 761 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,680 hormones and testosterone, I'll stay in that panel. 762 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,400 So I would definitely do total, total test. 763 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:30,320 And then I would do, you can do SHBG, which if you have total in 764 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,360 SHBG, you can kind of calculate free, free testosterone's a lot. 765 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,160 A lot of the times it's a calculation as well. 766 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:47,520 So getting those two and yeah, I would go estradiol as well. 767 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,960 So testosterone, SHBG and estradiol, I think that at least 768 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,640 in the hormone panel for a man, for someone like me, if I see 769 00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:00,400 those three, I can infer a lot and I can give that person like 770 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000 a decent amount of value to go for it and, and change something 771 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,920 Still limited because I don't have the full picture, but I 772 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,000 yeah, test for, for the game that we're playing. 773 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,720 Like I think it's those 3. Yeah, appreciate you playing the 774 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,120 game. So I heard you say total test. 775 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,320 Would you like if? What about free? 776 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,360 Yeah. So it would be total and then 777 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,920 SHBG and if you have those two you can calculate free. 778 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,640 Oh, OK. Cool. 779 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,600 Yeah, a lot of the times free testosterone is just a 780 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,800 calculation. They take it, you can put it in 781 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,160 on there's like online websites you took, you put the total in, 782 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,200 you took the SHPG and then sometimes albumin. 783 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,000 But usually if you have total in SHPG you can calculate free. 784 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,280 OK, cool. And then what are the what, 785 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,760 what's like an acceptable and then ideal range for it? 786 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,760 And we'll just use the avatar of like a man in his 30s. 787 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,040 Yeah, yeah. So pretty much regardless, I 788 00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:02,080 like my total at least 700 for most men in most most ages. 789 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,280 So 30 for sure, over 700. Like nanograms per. 790 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,440 Yeah, nanograms, Nanograms. That's a little different than 791 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,760 we typically use here in the in Canada, but. 792 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,480 You're in Canada, OK. Yeah, For that it would be, 793 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,200 yeah. Nanomoles per liter. 794 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,640 I think that would be 23 and above. 795 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,760 Yeah, I think that's about right. 796 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,200 Something like that, yeah. And then for like fully 797 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,080 optimized, like ideally after six months, you get someone who 798 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,800 is at like a decent base level to somewhere that you're like, 799 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,840 wow, this, this is like awesome results. 800 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,600 What does that look like? Yeah, again, kind of like case 801 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,240 by case dependent also based on how they feel because like a 802 00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:48,000 person. Yeah. 803 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,960 And this opens a whole nother can of worms. 804 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,560 It's based on how someone feels. And then something called 805 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,400 androgen receptor density. We don't need to get into that. 806 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,800 But that's just like a man can have high testosterone, but his 807 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760 androgen receptor density is low and he's not going to have as 808 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,200 much fire as someone whose receptor density is a lot more 809 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560 sensitive. So that's a side conversation. 810 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,560 We don't need to get into that. Any, any guy that like comes to 811 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:24,040 me below 600 and gets over 800, they they feel that, they 812 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,480 significantly feel that. And that's just from the total. 813 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,080 Then looking into free. Free has a bunch of different 814 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,680 units, but we can use the ones in the 100. 815 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,240 So for for reference, like I after I had my shoulder surgery, 816 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,280 I did my bloods. I was 681 and then my free was 8 817 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,920 and I doubled that. So I got my free from 8 to 16 818 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,360 and that is that was just like a crazy difference. 819 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,160 So that was 681 and then eleven O 4 and then doubled the free. 820 00:44:52,000 --> 00:45:00,560 So like for free over 150, which 15 or 150 for American units, 821 00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:04,600 not sure the Canadian units there, there's two different 822 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,840 ones as well. But yeah, at least 150 or 15. 823 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,160 That's a significant, you feel that significantly. 824 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,600 Yeah, thank you, Mark. And just for listeners, you know 825 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,760 the the good news is you don't have to figure it all out 826 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,360 yourself, right, Mark, 'cause you offer free blood screening, 827 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,480 right? You speaking? 828 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,440 About that, yeah, easiest way is just go on my Instagram, which 829 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,120 will probably be in show notes or whatever. 830 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,520 Mark Holman health, you just DM me the word bloods and I have a 831 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,960 mini chat automation that asks you a few questions. 832 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,400 You pop your blood bloods in, I get notified and I put it in my 833 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,040 spreadsheet and then film a loom and go through it all and just 834 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,960 show like line by line. These are the patterns that I'm 835 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,040 seeing. This is the analysis. 836 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,640 This is what you need to focus on. 837 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,680 And then obviously like on the back end of that, if they want 838 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,680 clear clarity on what exactly to do with the support as well like 839 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:02,200 opportunity to work together. Yeah, man, we're really just 840 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,240 thanking you for that service. Thank you for for sending out 841 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,120 those analysis to guys for free when Yeah. 842 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,280 Is there any other ways that guys can can you talk a little 843 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,000 bit about your program? I know you have so far in this 844 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,920 conversation, but there any last logistics or anything guys could 845 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,440 know about what it is you do and then and your offerings? 846 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,680 Yeah, talked a bit about the blood work. 847 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,320 So that's like first stage if someone has blood work or 848 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,480 they're just like feeling that fatigue, the lack of energy, 849 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,640 lack of libido, lack of vitality, they're just not, they 850 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,720 don't have their edge anymore. Like those are usually the guys 851 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,760 that tend to reach out and I can really help. 852 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:45,560 So if listeners are experiencing any of that reach out, first 853 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,320 stage is the blood work. And then I put you through a 854 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,000 protocol which again is based on that really specific precise, 855 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,280 what is your body telling me? What are the goals that you 856 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,120 have? And then I have a community as 857 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,560 well. So we do like men's group calls. 858 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040 So that's a little bit on the embodiment side of just like 859 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,840 getting in a rooms with men, sharing experiences that you're 860 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,840 struggling with, getting held accountable to maybe have a 861 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,680 conversation that maybe you've been avoiding or stuff like 862 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,120 that. So that's a key piece as well. 863 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,080 And then just the, the coaching aspect as well, like 864 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,840 accountability and making sure I'm giving you everything that 865 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,040 you need to get the result. Literally all you have to do is 866 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,520 execute. And then I make sure that you're 867 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,080 executing with calls, with check insurance, with accountability 868 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,640 systems and stuff like that. So again, like I said earlier, 869 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,320 like if a guy comes into my world, into my program and they 870 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,120 apply themselves, there's literally no possibility to not 871 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,560 change their life, to not get the result that they're looking 872 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,680 for. Yeah. 873 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,520 Yeah, brother, cheers to that. Yeah, we say similar thing at 874 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,280 MSM. We have 100% results with 100% 875 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,520 of the guys who give it 100%. Yeah, exactly. 876 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,520 Awesome, brother. Well, thank you so much for 877 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,360 coming on with us today. And thank you for the work 878 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,280 you're doing in the world, man. Really appreciate you leading 879 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,120 the charge in this. It is so needed for men and 880 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,320 Hawks. Are there any last things you 881 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,280 want to say before we sign off? It was great to meet you Mark. 882 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,000 Appreciate you sharing your time and your expertise and looking 883 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,400 forward to seeing you continue to grow and and serve. 884 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:19,480 Appreciate it man. All right, guys. 885 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,760 Thanks for tuning in and we'll catch you on the next one. 886 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,000 Peace.