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Right. 
Welcome to the Jarrett Foiling 

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podcast, everybody. 
This is the first episode we've 

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recorded for a while, so we 
might be a little bit rusty. 

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We are back and joined by 
arguably the biggest 

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videographer in the industry at 
the moment, Dane. 

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Hello. 
Well, stoked to be here. 

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I don't know what we're talking 
about, but I'm excited so. 

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Neither do we and nobody doesn't
either. 

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That's that's the beauty of 
these things. 

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Sometimes I do think maybe we 
should put some, some more notes

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in in place, but at the same 
time, as Liam just mentioned off

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there briefly, we're both quite 
excited about this. 

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Yours was a name that popped 
into both of our heads. 

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And I think maybe I had more of 
an understanding that you have 

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been you've, you've been in the 
background of quite a few big 

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projects over the last few 
months, if not, you know, the 

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last few years as well. 
And once Liam cottoned on to 

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exactly about 5 minutes ago when
he had a Google, when he 

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cottoned on to quite how many 
projects you've had your nose 

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behind, he thought bloody hell. 
OK, this is this is it. 

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So quite looking forward to 
wherever the hell. 

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Well, I, I was keen for this 
conversation prior to knowing 

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the extent of the repertoire on 
the basis that we obviously very

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much knew about the project that
you did with Josh COO with his 

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crossing and. 
Because Christ, you shouted 

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about it enough. 
Yeah, yeah, Well, well, they're 

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not quite in the number one spot
for shouting about video 

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productions, are they, Freddie? 
Who's number one? 

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Sir, an Aussie fella. 
The FOIL project has got to take

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that, surely? 
Oh God, true. 

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Yes. 
No, it's good. 

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It's good to be proud. 
To. 

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Be proud of projects. 
So I knew about that and I knew 

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that you were behind the Cash 
Video in Ireland, which I 

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thought was quite interesting, 
especially with that being a 

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destination that you might not 
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would go to. 
But so I was keen before I knew 

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about the full list. 
But I'm really interested to 

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split this into two sides 
because I don't know much about 

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you. 
I understand that you have got a

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connection to surfing as well as
foiling. 

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So I want to know like a bit 
about you. 

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I'm quite keen for this to be a 
bit of a chat, comparing foiling

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from a videography, creative 
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comparing foiling and surfing. 
And then what I'm also really 

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curious to pick your brain on is
the whole dynamic when it comes 

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to producing video media that 
satisfies you as a creative, the

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rider as AI don't know either. 
The rider can be product, can be

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an ego, they can be all sorts of
things in one. 

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And then obviously, a lot of 
these projects are funded either

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in part or fully by brands as a 
marketing exercise. 

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So I'm really interested to know
how that all comes together. 

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So I think this could have 
number of parts to it. 

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So what's, what's where? 
Where do you start then, Liam? 

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Because you just fed him. 
Like, I mean, you, you basically

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just like in got my whole ethos 
of what I'm trying to do, so go 

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ahead. 
Yeah, that's perfect. 

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What do you want to know? 
Where are you from? 

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Then let's let's start Where? 
Where? 

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Where's your hometown? 
Where were you born? 

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I was born in Orange County, 
moved to Ojai California when I 

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was like 4. 
America. 

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America. 
Yeah, California last couple 

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months have been nomadic and I 
just landed in Austria, so. 

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So what are you doing in Austria
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Man girlfriend lives here just 
got a job here so move over here

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and I don't know half my work or
more than half is Europe base so

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I figure if I can get a visa and
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pretty easy. 
I feel like there's shit loads 

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to jump in on and I don't want 
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Question, do you like beer or 
wine? 

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It's very difficult. 
It's very difficult Tomorrow. 

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Let's start. 
No, no, no. 

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If anything, you just you've 
added more avenues to to stuff 

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to talk about, I guess. 
Are you a Foiler question? 

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Yeah. 
Yes, on definitely Foiler. 

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Yeah, I was super lucky with the
timing of when I got into 

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foiling, so I like to to jump 
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up. 
How was your childhood? 

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My relationship with my father 
now, no growing up was basically

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like as many different sports as
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on. 
Grew up in the mountains, like 

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Ojai's in a little valley, but 
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grip surfing. 
My dad was a sailor so I got 

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into that and then I actually 
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26. 
Almost went to the Olympics and 

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sailing. 
Bounced around with like kite 

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foiling, which is actually where
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That was when I was like I was 
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Interesting. 
When I learned to foil and then 

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from there, like when I was 
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OK, like the foiling is pretty 
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I met Matt Costa in Ventura like
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friendship kind of started like 
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obsessed with it or like we're 
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And then so that was like early 
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foil was a right was my first 
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And so to get back to the 
question, I got super lucky of 

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the timing of when I got into 
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and growing so fast that like I 
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everybody in the sport. 
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to my home break and like going 
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know anyone here. 
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was learning to do it, it was 
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knit community that like, like 
if you went out and you had a 

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foil, like everyone talked to 
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foilers. 
It was like, if there's one guy 

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out, like I'm going to go make 
friends with him because nobody 

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else does this, you know, And 
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Sorry, just to button quickly, 
is your home spot past that 

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point? 
I'd argue that I was maybe now 

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especially surf foiling. 
Yeah, surf foiling, because it's

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still not. 
Big but no. 

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You still. 
You still talk to them, but it's

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not as like, Oh my God, like 
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best friends now, you know, like
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it, it was like if you were 
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friends with whoever was in the 
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same thing. 
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Pelican foil at that point. 
But yeah, no, I got super lucky 

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with the timing of like when I 
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like, I am not going to be a pro
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And I know that there's going to
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skating or snowboarding or 
surfing that are just going to 

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get a hold of it and go 
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And so I kind of when I realized
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going to switch over to filming.
I still love foiling. 

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I'm still going to do it. 
But I got really lucky with I 

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knew everybody. 
I was the one that knew foiling 

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and filming. 
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guess pretty lucky on the time 
of everything where it was a 

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good opportunity for me to like 
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filming and because I was super 
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foiling and doing the thing that
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So for a while it was just like,
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pretty good. 
Why did the was the filming 

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stuff just a pastime as well? 
Was that? 

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Yeah, I mean. 
School I was it was just a bit 

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of fun to begin with. 
No, I, I, I've went to college 

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for design. 
It's called like speculative 

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design, which we don't have to 
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in photography. 
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knew where the filming came 
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Then I look back and I like, I 
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the GoPro one. 
I went out and surfing with it 

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and didn't put an SD card. 
I didn't know you had to put an 

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SD card in it. 
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session And I was like, oh, 
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Is so stupid it went wrong. 
There, that's what I was going 

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wrong. 
I was going to say, this sounds 

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very. 
Familiar, yeah. 

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I mean, still, it's not the rule
#1 of filming, you know, got to 

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have a battery and an SD card. 
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it. 
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sailing, I was like, dude, what 
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And this kind of weird world of 
foil filming kind of just like 

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fell into my lap. 
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into sailing filming, but that 
world does not like filming very

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close knit, like nobody wants to
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And so Foiling kind of just 
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Here we are. 
What was the first sort of more 

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paid project then? 
Which one? 

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Do you think you're like, oh 
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this? 
Yeah, I mean, it was just kind 

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of like the odd, odd random 
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This person get some money here.
I don't remember my first I 

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worked for this jacket company 
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Gore Ware that I don't know how 
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Probably some nepotism involved,
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like, OK, like I can actually 
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And who knows, maybe it's just a
fun thing for a little bit and I

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I can use it. 
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of filming as like an 
opportunity to get some cool job

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in the future. 
And who knows if that'll happen 

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or not, or I'll just keep 
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But. 
Were you reaching out to them or

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were they like, OK, because 
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well, like your first work. 
That's because you know the 

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people that are offering you the
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Yeah. 
So how I've kind of, I mean like

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you go through a lot of 
different paths of trying to 

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figure out how what works and 
what doesn't work. 

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But what I've found works the 
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almost an agent where it's like,
OK, I know the brand, I know the

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foiler, let's put the two 
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But then actually being more 
practical than an agent where I 

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can actually go and film the 
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So it's it's a lot easier if you
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hey dude, do you want to go film
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And then they're like, yeah, 
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How do we get sponsorship and 
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I'll go rich, I'll go pitch 
these brands and then we get 

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funding to go do something cool.
And that's kind of where I get 

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most of my work. 
Like now more recently I've I'd 

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be get pitched a little bit more
like from brands or like cash is

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somebody that like personally 
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do the school project. 
Oh my God. 

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Oh yeah, that's epic. 
Or like F1 will come to me like,

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hey, we're going to go to 
Patagonia. 

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Like the last, I guess last 
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year where that was them coming 
to me. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
But that was them coming to me. 

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So it's kind of a balance, but 
the the majority is kind of 

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being that middleman kind of 
agent. 

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Are you noticing now though? 
You know, I figured that that F1

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so that the Libra Libra Libra 
Libra film that you just did, 

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which I still haven't watched. 
Granted, I haven't watched it 

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yet. 
I've been terribly busy on the 

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sofa here that that looked to me
like we, so we met you, you in 

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America. 
We got thrust onto the stage to 

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present Josh and your film from 
Bali last year. 

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And that was realistically like 
we, we'd heard of you. 

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And we, you know, we haven't 
seen too much though, let's say.

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And then it feels like over the 
last sort of whatever it's been 

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now six months, 8 months, your 
name has just sort of grown 

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steadily and but quite quickly 
in that sort of time, is F1 the 

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culmination of sorry, not F1, 
the libre film that the 

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culmination of that are you, you
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because of the work that you've 
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I personally you'd think, well, 
you know, your name's 

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established. 
Are you going to be not 

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expecting to get those jobs? 
But is that surely that that 

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world is going to become a 
little bit easier now that 

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you've got a bit of a backlog 
backlog? 

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Interesting, no FF1's actually 
the brand I've worked with in 

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foiling probably the longest and
the most consistent consistently

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so I've done a lot of work with 
them the last like 4 years. 

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The paddock, yeah, I don't know 
the the. 

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Well I mean that that blows my 
argument out of the water if if 

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you've done shit loads with. 
Them already you can already. 

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Say no, I'm I'm a big guy. 
I would absolutely love to be 

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like, yeah, I'm just going to 
hang out and people are going to

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reach out to me. 
But I feel like as you get 

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better, you just always have 
that like self doubt where like 

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I I can do better. 
I'm not good enough yet. 

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Like, I feel like I, I don't 
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this like job interview the end 
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kind of really nice to like 
actually like put all my stuff 

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down on paper and be like, OK, 
this is what I can do. 

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And I'm like, oh, shit. 
Like, hey, this is, this is 

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pretty cool because I don't 
know, it's just like I, it's 

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like, it's when one project's 
done, I'm like, all right, that 

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was pretty cool. 
How can I make it better? 

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Let's go to the next one. 
And I don't, I personally don't 

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spend much. 
I don't, yeah, I don't spend 

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much time like being like, wow, 
that was really cool. 

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I'm going to like, I'm the next 
big shit right now. 

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You know, it's like I'm, I 
don't, I don't know, like I just

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always want to get better and 
I'm like always trying to find 

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the next cool thing. 
Or maybe that's where we've 

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gone. 
Wrong, Liam. 

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We, we, we've just gone. 
We're the best. 

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Yeah. 
And and and now we've had this 

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saturation. 
So good, you know, you got to 

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have some self-confidence. 
You you've identified your 

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strengths, Freddie, and 
identified the weaknesses and 

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decided that no effort will go 
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Yeah, yeah, it's perfect. 
Yeah. 

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But I think that's where, if you
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where we had his grandpa narrate
the whole thing, that was kind 

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of like coming from, I've done, 
I've filmed, I've done M2, Oi 

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did, I filmed it twice. 
And then I'm just being like, Oh

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my God, like, do I have to 
really do this again? 

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Like I'm going to try to find 
something different, unique in 

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the foiling world, and a lot of 
that stuff just comes from 

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stealing surf films. 
I, I quite like that though. 

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We, we see that and Liam and 
I've had conversations about, 

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you know, what we can get done 
and we're friends with Ben the 

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kite server 365 and, and Colin 
Carroll podcasts. 

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And you, you know, you watch 
what he does with the blank kite

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test and with how kite servers 
get paid and, and arguably 

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foilers aren't all surfers, but 
those those of us who are 

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surfers go well, you're 
literally just stealing ideas 

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from STAB. 
But I don't have an issue with 

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that at all because it works so 
well over there. 

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It it, it really, it really 
ought to be brought over here. 

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Can you give us a quick run 
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Because it sounds like there's 
going to be a ton of work that 

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you've done in the back, not in 
the background, but you've done 

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for brands that we've all seen 
that we might not necessarily 

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know is you. 
Can you give us a quick run 

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through maybe of your biggest 
achievements over the, you know,

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the last 5-6, whatever years 
it's been just just quickly in 

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the next 30 seconds go through 
it right off and on the spot? 

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Oh, this is, I feel like this is
a funny time to do this podcast 

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because I feel like I was 
mentioning this before, but it's

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like this is the most separated 
from the foiling world that I've

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ever been. 
Because you're in the mountains.

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I started with the Tales of Wind
and Waves. 

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I've done a lot of lift stuff. 
Malai, I did 2 films with cash, 

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the Here For It, Josh Ku's 
Channel Crossing and then the 

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Patagonia one. 
I won't take full credit for 

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that because the other filmer 
for F1 was he edited that and 

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did an insane job. 
So that's not fully me. 

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And then like the things that 
you probably see the least of is

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all the photo stuff that ends up
in brand books or Instagram or 

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whatever that's been used over 
the the last couple years. 

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And then still trying to branch 
out of foiling and do other 

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things, whether that's clothing 
shoots or other random boring 

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stuff. 
I like it how some of our 

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favorite Zane footage, well, 
Zane in. 

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Yeah, yeah, that's it. 
You, you cast a lot that as lift

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stuff. 
And I was like, ah, I think, 

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yeah. 
No, no, no. 

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I was like generic generic lift 
stuff. 

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I think that was one of Freddie 
and my favorite projects of that

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was early last year. 
Yeah, something like that. 

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Yeah, early last year, Yeah, 
February of last year, yeah, 

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yeah, that I, that was one of my
favorite projects and still is 

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one of my favorite projects I've
done. 

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I want to. 
I want to pick David Brown, 

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yeah. 
But so growing up surfing, I am 

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curious as to just in a general 
perspective and I suppose you 

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could start picking out certain 
riders if you wanted to. 

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What do you think of foiling as 
an like aesthetically compared 

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to surfing and how do you do you
try and present it in a similar 

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way? 
Are you somebody that believes 

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that foiling should be pursuing 
a surf style and trying to get 

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as close as close to surfing as 
possible or otherwise? 

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Yeah, I, I think in my perfect 
world, if I had to do like 2 

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sports, it would be surfing in 
diamond foiling. 

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I think those are like the two 
closest kind of to the ocean 

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that you're ever going to get. 
Like that connection, like I and

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choosing and surfing I think is 
#1 for me, not that I'm a great 

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surfer at all, but I think it's 
a fun exercise in comparing 

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them, whether it's like, should 
foiling copy, should foiling be 

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different? 
Where I think the thing with 

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Zayn was so interesting and 
unique was that like, it wasn't,

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oh, I'm going to go surf this 
trip or I'm going to go foil 

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this trip. 
Like he even brought a 

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McDonald's tray to go body surf 
with, you know, so it's just 

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like whatever. 
And that was when it was like 

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just super hollow and like 1/2 a
foot. 

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But, and it was like, OK, 
surfing is going to suck. 

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Foiling is going to suck. 
Let's go bring the tray out. 

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I think foiling is something to 
have on a trip that when the 

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waves are not perfect, like it, 
it annoys me so much when 

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there's like some double 
overhead barreling wave and 

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somebody's foiling the shoulder 
of it. 

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I'm like, dude, you're choosing 
the wrong thing. 

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Like you. 
Everyone can foil great. 

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Like the guys in Tahiti that are
trying to get barreled on it and

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like that's insane. 
That's super cool. 

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Full respect to them, but if 
you're on the shoulder and 

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there's a perfect barrel in the 
background, you're like, that's.

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You mean mullet more very 
recently? 

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I mean, that was pretty gnarly 
and pretty sick. 

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It's pretty gnarly really shit 
on that at all. 

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Like that was that's ridiculous.
And like when you start foiling,

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like I've done some decent big 
wave foiling in Hawaii and not 

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like, and not even on hollow 
waves and you get the hollow big

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waves and it's like, like how it
pulls on the foil differently is

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is ridiculous. 
So like, just to be able to do 

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that is insane. 
But yeah, maybe you should 

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consider me. 
I don't know. 

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I got him, I got him a cover. 
It got him a cover. 

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That's sick. 
I mean, yeah, that's, I mean, 

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foiling that way. 
It is ridiculous. 

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Like there's so many boils and 
it's not so big. 

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It's not. 
The way to be foiled is it? 

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Yeah. 
Have you seen that yet? 

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I mean in cash. 
It's on the net ridiculous foil 

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mag that comes out. 
Yeah, but I mean, cash winged it

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and it was super shitty that 
day, but like big and gnarly and

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like even I was probably like 
half the size of that one and 

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not good and that still looked. 
Do you? 

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Know what I really liked about 
that video and I'll button just 

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quickly there and I and I as 
soon as you as soon as he 

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dropped that video the winging 
and the filings, yeah, it's 

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fine. 
It's pretty cool. 

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It's OK, Cash is surfing. 
Yeah, it's quite impressive. 

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It's ridiculous. 
It's ridiculous and it. 

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Doesn't even post it. 
It doesn't even post it and then

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suddenly the best part of that 
video is him surfing and it's. 

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Well, I think that's. 
Insane. 

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With with cash and with Zayn, 
it's it is. 

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It's really cool to see them 
switch between crafts because 

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you kind of see them take 
inspiration from both where they

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actually have the skill to be 
able to do that. 

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Where like some people, if 
you're not as good of a surfer, 

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but you're good foiler, you 
know, like you kind of can take 

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inspiration from it, but you 
don't see the influence where 

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like with Cash and Zayn and 
there's a bunch of other ones, 

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but just the ones that I've 
filmed, like watching in person,

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like Phil, I mean, you watch the
videos and you kind of get a 

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gist for it. 
But I feel like when you're in 

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person, you kind of really see 
that creativity because there's 

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so many waves that they surf 
that don't end up in the final 

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edit. 
So it's kind of like you really 

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get to see kind of who they are 
and what they what they like to 

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do. 
So I don't remember where. 

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Well, yeah, it's kind of backed 
back to the visuals of it really

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because I guess, yeah, I guess 
you we never really got to that 

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in terms of your opinion. 
But maybe I could sum up what 

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I've been thinking about 
recently that's brought me to 

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that and see what you think. 
Maybe I can ask you a question 

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and tell you what. 
Well, no, no, because I did, I 

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did ask. 
I asked, I asked a question. 

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But we ended up deviating in a 
way like I I I can think of 

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some. 
Well, yeah. 

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God, then. 
So I'm curious about just what 

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when you're framing the shark 
visually between surfing and 

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foiling, are you trying to 
achieve similar things or not? 

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Do you think like, do, do you 
have a preference over which one

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you watch or not? 
And in, in, in certain 

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situations, does that change 
depending on conditions or the 

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rest of it? 
Like I, I do agree with you back

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to the fundamentals of if you've
got a perfect surfing wave, then

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put a surfboard in it. 
I absolutely agree. 

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So you're going to prefer to 
watch that than somebody on the 

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shoulder. 
But zooming out a bit more and 

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thinking about surfing more 
generally in a range of 

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conditions, foiling more 
generally in a range of 

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conditions, is there particular 
shots or areas or types of 

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riding that you prefer to watch 
with one discipline or the 

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other? 
And are you aiming to achieve 

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the same thing or different 
things? 

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I don't know. 
I think it like with the going 

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back to Chile with Zayn, it was 
the goal of that project was to 

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show the difference in like how 
you can use them. 

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So that one was very 
specifically like I'm going to 

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set up in the same spot. 
You're going to go surf, you're 

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going to go foil, and we're 
going to match, cut or match the

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two just to see the speed 
differences, to see the line 

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differences, how they are 
similar, how they are different.

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I think with all of it, I think 
the less you have to edit and 

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the less you have to like make 
them look cool, the better. 

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Meaning like I don't always 
really go for like the Super 

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close up, like super slow MO 
stuff. 

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I'd I'd much rather be pulled 
back, have a beautiful wave, 

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have a beautiful scenery and 
just let the rider kind of be 

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able to be creative on that 
wave, whether it's surfing or 

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foiling. 
I think foiling is to me is 

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interesting with that creativity
in mind, where it's like you 

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have an A tool that allows you 
to get on get to somewhere on a 

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wave that you can't get with a 
surfboard. 

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And so like, how is that rider 
actually going to take advantage

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of that? 
You know, like I don't want them

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to do the exact same turn as 
they are going to do on a surf 

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on a surfboard because I think 
the turn will be better on the 

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surfboard. 
But it's like, what is 

444
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,720
different? 
How can you draw a different 

445
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,920
line? 
I guess kind of along those 

446
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,800
lines? 
Like I I don't think that I want

447
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,920
them to be the same. 
Interesting. 

448
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,880
If that makes sense. 
Because the, the back to the, 

449
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:07,400
the, the observation recently, 
it was, I think it was weirdly a

450
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,920
Mr. Bennett's clip that made me 
think about it. 

451
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,520
When actually I think it's 
something I've been realizing 

452
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,440
over loads of different footage.
And it's that when you're 

453
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:25,040
watching surf footage, it's very
much focused on the wave that 

454
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,600
they're riding because there is 
a limitation of that wave. 

455
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:38,120
But I also, you can see how a 
talented surfing athlete can 

456
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,720
still position themselves on 
that one singular wave and 

457
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,000
adjust their position insanely 
well and adjust the speed and 

458
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,280
adjust the line. 
And there's like those tiny 

459
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,000
minute movements that will 
result in a big difference in 

460
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,160
terms of output and what they 
can perform on the wave. 

461
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520
And you yeah, well, he's he's 
another one where he's a really 

462
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,880
good surfer as well and chooses 
to post foiling clips obviously 

463
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,120
better. 
Well, the career wise, but I 

464
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,800
think that that being able to 
surf really well lends to that 

465
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,400
kind of creativity of. 
Well, this is the interesting 

466
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,200
thing though, is that I think 
that's yeah. 

467
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,960
So, so in the surfing, like for 
it, you can have this real 

468
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,680
tunnel vision of there's the 
wave and whatever. 

469
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,160
Yeah. 
So to use Bennett's as an 

470
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,440
example, being so well known, I 
can watch a clip of him foiling 

471
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800
on a spectacular wave or 
whatever and something that is 

472
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,400
quite big but is quite fat and 
he's doing, you know, using the 

473
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,280
wave in phenomenal waves ways. 
But the thing that I find 

474
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,920
interesting is when actually the
shot zooms out and the bits that

475
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,240
I find most interesting are 
transitions, like when when he 

476
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,400
is able to pull off 1 and 
there's a bit of backwash and he

477
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,560
almost uses a bit of energy from
a backwash and goes somewhere 

478
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,160
else and like uses multiple 
waves in one thing. 

479
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,880
I almost find that process as a 
whole way more visually pleasing

480
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,560
and foiling than just those like
solo shots of just that 

481
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,640
interaction on that one wave. 
And I'm finding that 

482
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,640
consistently like the foiling, 
I, I'm don't tend to enjoy 

483
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,520
foiling movies when they're just
clips of like the most extreme 

484
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,880
bit on the wave over and over 
again. 

485
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,920
I really enjoy the ones that are
a bit more zoomed out and 

486
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,680
generally longer clips where 
they're interacting in like 

487
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,240
different environments in a 
different way. 

488
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,960
That is a a constant issue that 
I run into like editing this 

489
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,000
stuff because like you're like, 
OK, this is a really cool wave. 

490
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,520
There wasn't one insane turn on 
it, but the whole way I mean, 

491
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,320
and you like watch the whole 
wave and you're like, this is a 

492
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,680
2 1/2 minute wave and you're 
like, I can't just put 2 1/2 

493
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,960
minute wave into this clip. 
And then you start cutting it up

494
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,800
and you're like, OK, none of the
turns are actually that cool. 

495
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,440
So then you're like, what do you
do with this, this wave that is 

496
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,320
genuinely very interesting to 
watch. 

497
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,960
But it's like this, you like 
have this whole film and you 

498
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,040
have this like 2 1/2 minute, 
just nothing like like just 

499
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,280
like, OK, let's trust that the 
audience has enough like 

500
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,280
patience to watch this whole 
thing, you know? 

501
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,720
So that's it's definitely 
something I think. 

502
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Maybe that's the difference 
between, like, socialism when it

503
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,320
actually becomes a video. 
Yeah, yeah. 

504
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,680
For videos you can like I I 
enjoy making people sit through 

505
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,600
like very slow sections if I 
can. 

506
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,840
Doesn't always work and that you
kind of have to bounce back and 

507
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,200
forth between like keeping 
people's attention versus like 

508
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,960
showing something super slow. 
But I think foilers do 

509
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
appreciate longer clips, which 
is which is nice. 

510
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,720
Like you see some long uncut 
shots on on socials and they 

511
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,240
they do well so. 
Well, it's like, I don't know. 

512
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,160
What do you, what do you prefer 
making what what you know? 

513
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,760
And I suppose that leads me to a
better question. 

514
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,080
How much of this is up to you 
and how much of this is down to 

515
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520
a brand? 
You know, F1 come to you and say

516
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,120
we want this trip to Paraguchi 
or ride up, you know, or cash 

517
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,400
comes to you and says we want to
go to Guinness land. 

518
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Does he say I want to do a 20 
minute video or do you go sit 

519
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,480
down, shut up, I'm going to 
fucking make you a a banger. 

520
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,680
No, I it's, it's a lot of 
communication beforehand. 

521
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,400
The more that you can 
communicate before the the 

522
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,160
better. 
Just to have everybody on the 

523
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,160
same page. 
A lot of it comes down to 

524
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520
condition. 
So I think like anyone that 

525
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,200
shows up is like, hey, we're 
going to make a sort of film 

526
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,240
that's 15 minutes. 
You're like in one trip like 

527
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,640
this. 
It might be a lot of lifestyle 

528
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,640
shots of this one. 
You know, if you, if you're but 

529
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,240
like you can make something cool
that's 5 or 4 minutes based on 

530
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:52,800
one session, that's really good.
I would say I'm super lucky that

531
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,800
I haven't had a lot of pushback 
on when I submit something like 

532
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,240
obviously like there's edits and
stuff you have to change and 

533
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,880
brand voice or look or whatever 
needs to be changed. 

534
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,000
But with like the mid form 
stuff, which to answer your 

535
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,640
earlier question is my favorite 
to make. 

536
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,160
I think I've been super lucky 
that the one trips have been 

537
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,440
super cool and that the people 
that I'm filming are interesting

538
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:29,120
and are good writers. 
And yeah, I think, I think 

539
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,880
that's that's the big thing, 
having people that are 

540
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,640
interesting and good 
appointment. 

541
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,480
So have you noticed? 
So I work within the industry 

542
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,200
and, and there's a lot of 
conversation around telling 

543
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,720
stories and media in general 
over the last few years. 

544
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,800
And my colleague and I talk 
about websites like Hookberry 

545
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,240
and all these more lifestyle 
based websites that do really, 

546
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960
really well because they tell a 
story and you look at what kind 

547
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,920
of boots you do and you look at 
what yet you do and it does. 

548
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,320
It feels like that's the recipe 
that we need to follow nowadays 

549
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,000
to be successful. 
You can't just throw products 

550
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,560
down people's throats and that's
something that the F1 videos 

551
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
have done really, really well 
out over the last forever. 

552
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Actually, they were probably way
ahead of that, I guess, although

553
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,880
I I'm anyway getting off topic 
in my in my own brain. 

554
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,120
Have you noticed a difference in
in the way the brands want to 

555
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,760
tell their stories over the last
few years? 

556
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400
The the downright essence of 
every single one of these videos

557
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,960
is sell, sell, sell. 
But have they changed how they 

558
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,720
do that in in your lifetime? 
I wouldn't say I've noticed a 

559
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
change. 
I think it's a little bit of me 

560
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:58,640
being a little stubborn in like 
I'm going to make this and and 

561
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,080
then presenting it. 
And then I think they think it's

562
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,040
cool because like, I'll make the
make whatever film that we're 

563
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,880
doing. 
And then obviously the brand 

564
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,600
gets the the raws and there's 
photos from the trip as well. 

565
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280
So it's, it's whether they like 
the mid form stuff. 

566
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,440
They get a lot of assets after 
as well, which is a really good.

567
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,320
I think to your point of like 
Patagonia and Yeti and Huck 

568
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:31,200
Berry, I like absolutely love 
those those videos and take a 

569
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,880
lot of inspiration from them. 
There's a lot of like Rafa films

570
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,880
in cycling. 
There's one running brand I 

571
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
can't remember the name of right
now, but like all those, all 

572
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240
those brands do that mid form 
content really well and they 

573
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,680
really create their brand based 
on those films. 

574
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:56,840
And then the athletes are very 
much product like they fit the 

575
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,920
brand really well. 
And then you watch that, you see

576
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:05,000
the brand, you see the the 
athlete and then you kind of you

577
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920
kind of understand the brand. 
And I think that's where I try 

578
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,080
to fit foiling in and with the 
foiling brands as much as 

579
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,480
possible when you call. 
So I I definitely don't what? 

580
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,239
It's what do you what do you 
specifically? 

581
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,199
Mean I don't know like I don't 
know like is there well, is 

582
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,159
there a 20 minutes? 
I I don't I don't know. 

583
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,880
It's not long form. 
It's not short form. 

584
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,400
Yeah. 
No, I'm just I'm curious. 

585
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,199
You know what it is for you. 
I'm. 

586
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,719
Sure it is different for other 
people, but 12 to. 20 I think 

587
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,760
anything from like 8:00 to 12:00
to maybe even 30 minutes. 

588
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,360
I think is is still mid form 
content or mostly just like for 

589
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,880
YouTube. 
Like it's it's long enough for 

590
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,080
YouTube and short enough that 
it's not like a feature film. 

591
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,679
But yeah, I guess I don't know. 
I'm. 

592
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,719
I'm terrible at terminology and 
where everything fits, so. 

593
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,440
Wow. 
We don't. 

594
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,679
We don't know what the 
terminology is. 

595
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,000
You're the, you're the only 
videographer we've talked to, so

596
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,600
you could make everything up for
all we know. 

597
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,720
All right. 
Perfect. 

598
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,360
That's great to know. 
I that led me on to a question I

599
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,800
wanted to ask anyway. 
Inspiration. 

600
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,040
And I know I've just given you a
few there and you've mentioned a

601
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,120
couple more as well, but where, 
where, yeah, where does the 

602
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,080
inspiration come from? 
You've mentioned surfing as 

603
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,560
well. 
Is there any, is there any kind 

604
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,640
of surf surf guys that you 
specifically look up to or 

605
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,240
styles that you look up to or 
what? 

606
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:27,280
Yeah, I mean, my, I vividly 
remember seeing Step in a Liquid

607
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,960
in theaters in Ojai, and that 
was like the first time I was 

608
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440
like, wow, this is like, I can 
make stuff like that. 

609
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,080
Like that's the coolest thing 
I've ever seen. 

610
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,680
And yeah, it's basically just 
like watching stuff. 

611
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,760
And I'm like, oh, that's cool. 
I wonder if I can make that and 

612
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
then go and try to emulate that 
and something. 

613
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,720
And foiling's just such a 
perfect place that hasn't really

614
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:55,800
been explored that much. 
Like there are a couple other 

615
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,360
names like in foiling that are 
like, like really good. 

616
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,480
And you're, it's interesting to 
watch how different people kind 

617
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,840
of approach foiling, But it's 
it's very untapped in the sense 

618
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,640
that there's not a lot of like 
what you're saying with like 

619
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,720
with kiting, like there's or, or
with surfing is a much better 

620
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:16,360
example is like, there's not 
many films you could go out and 

621
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,920
be like, Hey, let's go do this 
film that hasn't already been 

622
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:26,880
done like 1000 times or 1000 
different ways where in foiling 

623
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,400
it's like, hey, let's go make 
this film about whatever. 

624
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,120
And it's just like, nobody's 
done this. 

625
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,600
Like that's really cool. 
Let's go try to explore that. 

626
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,920
You know, it's like, or there's 
waves that haven't been foiled 

627
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,160
or, or whatever it is or 
channels that haven't been 

628
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,040
crossed. 
Like there's just so many 

629
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,200
possibilities in foiling that 
like for me, who's like, I 

630
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,680
wouldn't say super experienced 
in the filming world and like a 

631
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600
grand scheme of things, it's 
like I get an opportunity to go 

632
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,160
and make something new and 
unique in an industry that I 

633
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,800
really enjoy. 
Where like if I was like, oh, 

634
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,040
there's no foiling, I'm going to
go into the surf industry. 

635
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,920
It's like that would be really 
hard to kind of break into and 

636
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,320
do any of the trips that I have 
done in that world because 

637
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,600
they've already been done or 
there's other bigger names or 

638
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,040
bigger athletes that had someone
else would want. 

639
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,040
You'd think the scope for 
longevity with foiling is much 

640
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,480
greater as well because of how 
dynamic the sport is. 

641
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Because we have these different 
disciplines, you can see the 

642
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,000
originality lasting a little 
longer, hopefully. 

643
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,680
Yeah, I'm, I am super interested
to see where it goes. 

644
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,720
In one sense it's very, there's 
a lot you can do. 

645
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,360
In the other sense, it's like it
is pretty limited to that. 

646
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Like you do need specific stuff 
and like you see people getting 

647
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,960
to the limits already. 
You know, it's like how many 

648
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
more spins on a wing can you do?
How many more? 

649
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,280
Like can you hit the lip harder 
with a foil on a bigger wave? 

650
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,640
It's like maybe. 
Yeah, but on on the barrel flips

651
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,760
side. 
One, you know, it's like on. 

652
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,040
The flip side, I feel like 
surfing movies have always just 

653
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,840
been about sort of trying to 
find perfection when it comes to

654
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,600
waves and finding. 
Yeah. 

655
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,520
It's just, I mean, that's where.
Whereas I feel like foiling is 

656
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:26,360
almost the opposite, where you 
can exploit the most unusual 

657
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,120
crap area you know, if if you 
want to. 

658
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,960
Go I mean the like the the balmy
outside of H TS, I don't know if

659
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,000
that's a serious spot or not, 
but for foiling is absolutely 

660
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,880
ridiculous. 
Like it's probably one of the 

661
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,440
best toe foil waves I've ever 
seen. 

662
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,480
But yeah, it's like nobody ever 
has looked at that ever. 

663
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,200
And then you get a foiling. 
Oh yeah, let's go, Let's go to 

664
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,080
that. 
In southeast Corn Mall as. 

665
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,000
Well, there's a lot going on. 
But I, but I, I from, from what 

666
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,280
you were saying there, I think 
there's the same thing you think

667
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:04,080
I was thinking of wherever that 
spot in Jacko's backyard, where 

668
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,560
the, where the water? 
Bounces. 

669
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,880
Back off the the sea wall. 
That was like a video that 

670
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,000
suddenly goes ping massive 
because you're suddenly like 

671
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,080
what what you're doing? 
This isn't a surf break. 

672
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,240
This this is this is some 
comedic kind of and surfing has 

673
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,560
it as well. 
You know, you look at some of 

674
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,880
the big, big sort of wedgie 
spots and yeah, weird things 

675
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,600
that they do. 
But it still has to be so 

676
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,480
perfect. 
You know, like with foiling is 

677
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,840
like you see Jack's video, 
you're like, wow, that's at 

678
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,200
that's like as we were talking 
about earlier, it's like that's 

679
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,400
a really creative way to 
approach that wave. 

680
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,080
And then every but like there's 
so many harbors around the 

681
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,760
world, like there's got to be 
backwash that like every 

682
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,200
surfers, but like, I'm not going
to go surf that. 

683
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,280
And then some foilers like like 
what? 

684
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Like that's backwash. 
You're like, this is cool, you 

685
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,720
know, so like it, It's 
definitely like you see 

686
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,160
something you're like, OK, how 
do I apply that to my home break

687
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,640
or my I remember, I remember 
like super early on days like 

688
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,400
Matt Kos got this. 
I said his name wrong, but 

689
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,600
whatever there's like at high 
tide Mondo's gets this super bad

690
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,760
like crazy backwash and we took 
this like 2000 centimeter foil 

691
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,720
and try to like. 
Doc start jump thing onto it and

692
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,120
he like figured it out and I was
like, wow, that's crazy. 

693
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,080
Like like we're standing on the 
sand and then foiling away on 

694
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,800
this way that you're like 
foiling out to sea on. 

695
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,000
So yeah, it's just it's just 
cool to see where where foiling 

696
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,160
has come from and will continue 
to go. 

697
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,120
And you see all like the the 
tidal boar stuff is ridiculous 

698
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,520
as well. 
But that's what I was going to 

699
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,680
say from a videographer's 
perspective as well. 

700
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,840
That's a good example with the 
tidal balls. 

701
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,560
And what I think is kind of nice
about that is that it can be 

702
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,360
surfing as an industry is 
propped up worldwide. 

703
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Like, you know, surfing as an 
industry in terms of dollars 

704
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,040
spent on the brands is probably 
as big in Europe as it is in 

705
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,080
America and all this sort of 
stuff. 

706
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,360
Even though a lot of the can, 
you know that the home of 

707
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,720
surfing is in a lot fewer niche 
locations because of that 

708
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,920
perfection that people are after
that we're talking about. 

709
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,240
But like, I can, I can picture 
somebody coming to you and being

710
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,440
like, right, I want to do a 
downwind crossing across the 

711
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120
English Channel. 
Then like you could get some 

712
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,600
insane videography going through
a shipping channel and having 

713
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,720
tankers going by and all that 
sort of stuff. 

714
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,120
And like the tidal board you're 
talking about, it can almost 

715
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,840
bring really cool projects home 
a little bit. 

716
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,200
I'm I'm trying to think of what?
Yeah, it is. 

717
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,960
It is interesting on that front 
is like you can't have just like

718
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,320
an empty background down one 
foil or tidal waves. 

719
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640
Like the background has to be so
involved because like I think 

720
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,920
what we're talking about earlier
is like if you're not like 

721
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
absolutely ripping turns, it's 
like you're not going to watch a

722
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,720
5 minute edit of some like no 
background, just pan shot of 

723
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,960
somebody just kind of kind of 
surfing or foiling some wave. 

724
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:03,600
You know, like you have to 
really like think about all the 

725
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,320
aspects that go into that one 
shot because when. 

726
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,960
You take note of that, Liam. 
No one's going to watch a video 

727
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,440
of us foiling unless there's 
something. 

728
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,840
Maybe if there's a cool 
background or you're close to 

729
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,280
something, you know. 
Yeah, yeah. 

730
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,480
But if you like, if you do the 
channel crossing and there's no 

731
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,800
land in the background, you're 
watching diamond foiling. 

732
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Like generally it's not that 
interesting. 

733
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,360
You know, like I was going 
unless the bumps are huge, but 

734
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,760
like I don't know, you did a 
really good. 

735
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,680
Job and and I see the drag 
they're pulling across from 

736
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,600
different different areas with 
Josh's barley crossing because. 

737
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,360
Yeah, see, we used animations 
for that. 

738
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,680
The foiling wasn't even that 
cool. 

739
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,720
But we're something we've we've 
talked about ourselves for 

740
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,480
probably well over 12 months 
now. 

741
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Downwind foiling feels 
incredible when you can. 

742
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,800
Do it. 
Yeah, you can do it too. 

743
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,880
Well, but kind of looks a bit 
shit. 

744
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,680
Oh it's horrible. 
It's so hard to like, make 

745
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,800
anything cool look like that. 
Whereas you've made a story, 

746
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,400
which I guess was and, and 
that's what's exciting, I 

747
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,240
suppose, and what your job is, 
is to bring these interesting 

748
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,680
stories across to foiling that 
maybe we've had elsewhere. 

749
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,560
So that that was quite nice. 
I think the Josh one was the 

750
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,640
first time I'd realize and, and 
I'm just as you're answering the

751
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
questions that we're giving you,
I'm, I'm not concentrating and 

752
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,080
I'm thinking of other stuff in 
the background very politely. 

753
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,920
And I'm thinking of the stuff 
like I mentioned with Jack and 

754
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,840
I'm, I'm thinking about his, his
jet ski surfing in, in, in on 

755
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,440
tankers. 
And I'm thinking about his what 

756
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480
was the, the, the New York 
downwind parowing in that he was

757
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,600
doing? 
As well, Jack is doing absolute 

758
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,520
terror right now. 
He's doing that. 

759
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,360
Kid is killing it. 
Yeah, and I think that and, and 

760
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,320
we've spoken to him and he's a 
live 1 and he's a nightmare, but

761
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,840
he's a really impressive bloke. 
That same as you're having to do

762
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,360
and all these riders are having 
to do because they're technical,

763
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,760
they're having to work a lot 
harder than the surfers used to 

764
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,880
do 20 years ago because they 
can't just go and surf the same 

765
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,800
shit outside the front door. 
They've got to go and do 

766
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,320
something a bit differently. 
There's quite a big and it's 

767
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,560
impressive for, for what you're 
doing, whether it's your ideas 

768
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,600
or brands ideas that you can't 
just churn out the same footage 

769
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,360
anymore. 
You've you've got to actually 

770
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,920
bring something else for people 
to actually see. 

771
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,280
And maybe that's what's exciting
about foiling because it's it's 

772
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,040
doing exactly that. 
Whether we still have that same 

773
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,840
argument where it's not really 
bringing the masses across to 

774
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,040
it. 
You know, Jezza Wilmot, classic 

775
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,920
example, insane foiler. 
His biggest video is one of him 

776
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,160
being eaten by a triggerfish. 
Why are his all all riding next 

777
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,960
to rocks? 
For instance, there was a 

778
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:53,440
brilliant video of him riding 
some shallow slabs and he, we 

779
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,520
messaged him and he's like, I 
don't know why everyone's 

780
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,040
getting so upset about this. 
The rocks don't move, everything

781
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,040
else moves. 
I that was the easiest shit in 

782
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480
the world. 
And you're like, yeah, but those

783
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
are the things that seem to be 
bringing people in. 

784
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,240
And it's a shame, I guess, that 
despite all this, this abstract 

785
00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:12,760
stuff that's going on, it still 
doesn't seem to be bringing 

786
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,600
masses of people into the. 
Yeah. 

787
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
I mean, foiliness, you have to 
have so many. 

788
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Like, the barrier to entry is 
very hard, you know, especially 

789
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:28,320
when you get to down Wendy. 
And like, it's, yeah, it's just 

790
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,160
hard to see. 
Like, I don't know, it's funny 

791
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,440
being in the foiling world and 
you think it's like the biggest 

792
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,520
thing ever. 
And you're like, oh, my God, 

793
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,440
this is my ticket to fame. 
And then he like, step back a 

794
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,000
little bit. 
Like, this is this is a small 

795
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,600
world, but you do see it 
growing. 

796
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,080
So who knows where it's going to
end up. 

797
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,520
But the buried entry is is very 
high. 

798
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,160
It's a shame you can't explain 
to people that barrier to entry.

799
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,880
You talk about, you know, I 
don't know how many people are 

800
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,320
watching downwind foiling, 
going. 

801
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,360
I need to do that. 
But would those same people that

802
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,160
if they went right, I'm going to
learn how to do this and then 

803
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,240
followed that conversation on, 
went to their local shop or 

804
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,600
school or whatever and said, I 
want to do this. 

805
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:13,120
You know, I wanted to play 
guitar like fucking Angus Young 

806
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,400
and I got and then I was doing 
chords to to fucking. 

807
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Some shit. 
Acoustic, this is not what I 

808
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,080
signed up for, but it, it was a 
it was a way it, it, it, it was 

809
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,400
step one. 
That's a brilliant analogy. 

810
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,120
That's a fucking brilliant 
analogy, Liam. 

811
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:37,480
And you go and talk to these 
wing schools and they say, look,

812
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,120
you're not going to learn how to
do that straight away, but you 

813
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,120
do need to learn this. 
And they give you wing foil 

814
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,680
inevitably E foil or wing foil. 
Surely that's enough for that 

815
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,800
person to to to enjoy. 
They're going to start that and 

816
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,520
enjoy it. 
So we say it's a it's a tough 

817
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:58,120
barrier to entry and I agree. 
But you've got a 4-5 year ladder

818
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,480
in front of you to learn wing 
foil in dock star in surf foil 

819
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,160
in power winging before you get 
into you know, we're all bored 

820
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,680
shitless are winging now, but 
it's taken us five years to to 

821
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
get to that point. 
The barrier entry is. 

822
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,760
Hard. 
There's only so many times you 

823
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,600
can play Wonderwall. 
Well that's I mean that that 

824
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,000
might like the counter argument 
as well. 

825
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,280
Because I gave up. 
Because I like even an electric 

826
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,680
guitar. 
Even like down the barrier to 

827
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,400
entry to downwind isn't even 
like the price of the gear, 

828
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,480
which is usually pretty insane. 
Or knowing how to like stand up 

829
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,600
paddle board or knowing how to 
foil. 

830
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,400
It's like then you have to live 
in a place where you have 

831
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,760
friends that do it next to some 
highway or Rd. that you can 

832
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,760
drive somewhere to park and then
have consistent wind that blows 

833
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,440
the same direction. 
You know, like like once you add

834
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,680
up all that stuff, it's like 
there's not many places in the 

835
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,000
world that you could even do 
that. 

836
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,160
You know, whether that even if 
the winds like slightly too much

837
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,800
on shore, which I guess the pair
wing kind of solved that issue, 

838
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
or if it's like slightly too far
offshore, like Chile, like the 

839
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,880
coastline's insane. 
The wind is insane. 

840
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
I think it's just slightly too 
far offshore that like you're 

841
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,200
just gonna get blown out to sea 
pretty much anywhere on that 

842
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,400
coast where it's like, OK, like 
there is wind every day. 

843
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,920
There is a coastline that you 
can go explore, but it's like, 

844
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,000
OK, that slight change is like 
you're not gonna be able to do 

845
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
it. 
We're like growing up in like or

846
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,800
like learning to foil in 
California. 

847
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:30,320
It's like it's, it is the almost
perfect place to learn how to 

848
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,120
down because you have consistent
wind. 

849
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,240
You have a highway that you can 
drive like 6570 miles an hour 

850
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,400
next to it. 
So it's like a 15 minute drive 

851
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,000
where like even if you have to 
drive slow to, to redo all the 

852
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,000
cars, you're like that adds like
2 hours to your journey. 

853
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,280
So I don't, I don't know, I 
don't know where we got off on 

854
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,040
this tangent, but that's. 
Fun though, wouldn't it? 

855
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,400
Yeah. 
So I don't know how to, I don't 

856
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,720
know how to tie that. 
Up I I want to know whether 

857
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:04,000
there's certain personalities 
that bring out your enthusiasm, 

858
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,160
your best work from a video 
perspective, like, you know, in 

859
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,720
recent months, you've got cash 
Kiyahi, some big, you know, the 

860
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,520
likes of Josh and Zayn and 
whatever. 

861
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,440
Yeah. 
They got to be different. 

862
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:23,480
Folks, it's, oh, they're all so 
different and it's like half the

863
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
the battle is just figuring out 
what they like, what they don't 

864
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,800
like. 
Like some people like, I'll 

865
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,480
write the script for them, hand 
it to them, they read it. 

866
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,720
Some people write their own 
script and then read it. 

867
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:37,200
Some people don't like reading 
at all and want to be 

868
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,920
interviewed. 
So it's it's like figuring out 

869
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,640
what works like Malai, for 
example, I was like doing 

870
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,520
interviews with him and he's the
worst interviewer I've I think 

871
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,120
I've ever met. 
But he can. 

872
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,320
He can read a. 
Script. 

873
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,080
We've had a few of them. 
Yeah, I I figured that out or 

874
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,840
like I was like, can you just 
read this? 

875
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,000
And he read it like perfectly 
first try and I'm like, alright 

876
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,040
dude, no more interviews for you
for reading scripts like this is

877
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,400
easy now. 
So. 

878
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,400
And that's, that's how we did 
the our last two films together.

879
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:15,840
But yeah, the personality wise, 
like the thing I I learned is 

880
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,920
like the personality does carry 
the film a lot. 

881
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,120
Like there's only so much I can 
do to make somebody look 

882
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,880
interesting or have energy. 
And you just kind of have to 

883
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,960
lean into like who they are. 
Like you can't, if somebody's 

884
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,400
quiet, you can't be like, OK, 
let's go make like, come talk to

885
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,760
the camera. 
You know, like that's not going 

886
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,920
to work. 
But if they're shy and quiet and

887
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,600
you lean into them being shy and
quiet and showing who they are 

888
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,880
as as humans, I think that's 
what I think is interesting 

889
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,080
because like, if you look again,
if you look at other worlds, if 

890
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,560
you like Rafa cycling, which I'm
probably going to lose a lot of 

891
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,840
people here. 
There's a guy at Lachlan Morton,

892
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,520
who I absolutely love all of his
films, super quiet guy, funny 

893
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,520
and like charismatic, but I feel
like he's very kind of 

894
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,200
introverted. 
But like the the filmers lean 

895
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,040
into that and the films are 
amazing. 

896
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,160
Like he does insane stuff and 
it's super interesting to watch.

897
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,560
So it's like, you can't just be 
like, OK, we're going to go 

898
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,720
watch YouTube and it's going to 
be, I don't know, whoever Mr. 

899
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,000
Beast, like yelling at the 
camera and you're like, oh, 

900
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,600
yeah, like that's how everyone 
should be. 

901
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,520
You know, it's like that's not 
going to work for everybody. 

902
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,560
Like obviously it works for him 
and you show up, he shows up 

903
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,120
well on on YouTube. 
But it's like if you take some 

904
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,000
kid that has never been in front
of a camera and be like, OK, 

905
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,920
yell at the camera. 
It's like it's it's not going 

906
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,560
to, it's not going to work. 
So I feel like the people that 

907
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,880
are the most excited to go foil 
and like I'm trying to catch up 

908
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,040
with them, like, OK, like, do 
you want to do this? 

909
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,600
You know, we get lunch, they 
know we're going to foil and I'm

910
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,400
like grabbing my camera to go 
and I'm like, fuck, I'm I'm the 

911
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,040
one that's late. 
I think those are those are the 

912
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,800
most fun to film. 
Like like cash. 

913
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,760
I'm fucking exhausted by the end
of our film trips just and I'm 

914
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,480
not even like foiling or surfing
or anything. 

915
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,960
So it's like, but I don't know, 
the people that bring the same 

916
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,920
level of energy that I do, I 
feel like are the ones that I 

917
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,880
have the most filming time, most
fun time filming. 

918
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:22,360
I would like to know what I 
suppose keeping on, keeping on 

919
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,320
that, who would you like to work
with next? 

920
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,560
Who, who is someone that you 
haven't worked with that you 

921
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,240
look at? 
You don't have to say those. 

922
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:29,600
I'm not, I'm not winding you 
into that. 

923
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,360
But who would you? 
Who would you like to work with 

924
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:39,840
next from what you've seen? 
Well, yeah, I don't know. 

925
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:48,440
I think it's, it's interesting. 
Like it's interesting watching 

926
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,040
people because I think as a as 
like a freelance videographer, 

927
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,280
you can't go and be like, hey, I
really love all the work that 

928
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,720
you're doing. 
Like I love. 

929
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,880
No, but in the in the world. 
No, I know, I know the. 

930
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,680
Question that I asked. 
I'm getting there. 

931
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:08,040
I'm getting there like like 
Malo, I would absolutely love to

932
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:13,200
work with, but I feel like his 
media, what Gong is doing is 

933
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,280
like it's sick. 
Like they're doing a good job. 

934
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,320
Their media is insane. 
I don't know if I can add very 

935
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,840
much to it, you know? 
So it's like, I would love to 

936
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,840
work with him, but it's not like
I'm going to go and reach out 

937
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,800
and make, hey, I'd love to work,
do this project with you. 

938
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,280
It's like like you kind of have 
to pick your battles of like 

939
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,000
what you're doing. 
Why him? 

940
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,760
I will say like the I, OK, I'll 
give you a couple of minutes. 

941
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,600
The Spencer's I've talked to a 
couple times about doing some 

942
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,680
projects. 
They're super fun, insane 

943
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,840
foilers. 
And I think their personality 

944
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,560
hasn't really been tapped into 
as like a brand. 

945
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,800
And then I have been talking to 
Annie Reichman about doing some 

946
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,520
stuff, but all that stuff is 
just kind of out in the, the 

947
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,080
open and who knows if it'll 
happen or not, but I don't know.

948
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,440
There's a lot of people I'd love
to work with and a lot of 

949
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,040
stories that could be told, but 
I think it's just you kind of 

950
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,160
have to figure out, like, I 
don't try to force too much 

951
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,080
stuff. 
I kind of like, let let stories 

952
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,560
happen, let people come. 
With Marlo, is it the person or 

953
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,720
is it the story that you could 
tell with him? 

954
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:30,120
As in like, what do you mean? 
Because I think with Malo, like 

955
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:35,280
it's, it's he's doing a great 
job as an athlete, as social 

956
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,920
media, as like their longer form
stuff. 

957
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,440
I think the longer form stuff 
could have more of a story to 

958
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,080
it. 
But like the cinematography, the

959
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,680
writing is in the locations that
they choose is is insane. 

960
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,560
So it's it's not something that 
our. 

961
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,400
Entire marketing, though, 
wouldn't. 

962
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
For sure. 

963
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,600
And then they have. 
Follow him with a camera. 

964
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,160
I mean, it works. 
It's fun to watch like his his 

965
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,400
level of writing along with 
like, I feel like cash is on one

966
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,600
level and Milo's on another 
level. 

967
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,880
And then you have like Chris 
McDonald and those, they all 

968
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,560
have like slightly different 
disciplines, but like they're 

969
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,400
just fun to watch. 
And that like they're at the top

970
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,680
of what they're at and they're 
getting better, which is insane.

971
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,120
But it's like they are able to 
do the tricks that you like want

972
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,120
to do in your mind. 
And then you go and watch them 

973
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,040
do it and you're just like, OK, 
that is how you that's how 

974
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,840
you're supposed to. 
I think those you know or that's

975
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,320
how you're supposed to foil. 
Those three riders that you've 

976
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,400
just picked, they you, you watch
the videos and they do, you 

977
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,000
don't expect what they do. 
Do you like they're that good 

978
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,440
that they can still surprise 
you? 

979
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:46,600
Yeah, exactly. 
And you're just like that's I 

980
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,240
think the the joy in foiling 
and, and just that creativity 

981
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:52,320
where like you don't really know
where it's going next. 

982
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:57,800
And I think I think kiting is 
also really a cool. 

983
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,000
Like when you watch like wave 
kiters like do all their tricks 

984
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,160
and stuff like that, you're 
like, wow, that's just, it's so 

985
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,800
cool just 'cause they have the 
ability to be creative and, and 

986
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,960
do things that you wouldn't 
think about surfing or foiling 

987
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,160
or whatever. 
So. 

988
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,360
What would you like to do with 
Marlow? 

989
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,920
You've got a, You've got. 
A week. 

990
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,520
Yeah, yeah. 
But I'd like, I'd like to know 

991
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:23,760
what you'd like to do with all 
of them. 

992
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,400
You know, you must have an idea.
I, I, I'm not a, I'd love to be,

993
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,480
you know, a better level of 
videographer. 

994
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,960
And really we have the, we have 
the OP, not the option, but we 

995
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,320
have the chance to push it a bit
more and me and Liam do a 

996
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,920
little. 
Bit more but I. 

997
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,640
Can't be fucking asked at the 
minute anyway. 

998
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,560
But with no I think. 
I, I get, I get ideas and, and 

999
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,480
we'll come on to Guy Bridge in a
minute because I want to talk 

1000
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,000
about him with video stuff, but 
I, I get ideas I would like to 

1001
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,040
see in videos and God knows I 
can't fucking do it. 

1002
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,520
So I've got to make other people
do it. 

1003
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,280
But you must have ideas for, for
Marlow and you must have ideas 

1004
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,640
for what you'd like to do with 
the Spencer's. 

1005
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,720
And you must have ideas what 
you'd like to do with, with 

1006
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:04,360
Annie. 
What, what? 

1007
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:10,720
What kind of things are they? 
With I feel like with with Malo,

1008
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:16,880
he's he all of his films have 
been in a relatively safe space 

1009
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,400
where his writing is able to 
really shine and like the Wave 

1010
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,160
is perfect, but there's no 
challenge of getting to anywhere

1011
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,600
from what I've seen. 
Maybe, maybe I'm wrong. 

1012
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,920
It would be cool to show his 
personality in like how like, I 

1013
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
don't know, taking some boat to 
some crazy island and like 

1014
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,320
figuring out if there's a wave 
or how how we can ride this one 

1015
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,520
wave. 
I think that would be really 

1016
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,240
interesting and it's something 
that I feel like Gong hasn't 

1017
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,880
quite done. 
Like all their films they go to 

1018
00:57:51,880 --> 00:58:00,080
insane places and but the 
exploration I guess is slightly 

1019
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,440
missed. 
Which I guess is playing devil's

1020
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,920
advocate is barely old enough to
drink. 

1021
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:09,360
Yeah. 
Well, I was about to say their 

1022
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,520
team, they seem to go to places 
where the entire team can ride. 

1023
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,320
And as well, maybe that's part 
of the part of the sales pitch 

1024
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,320
is that let we make gear that 
goes from this spectrum to this 

1025
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,760
spectrum. 
Yeah, I mean, they just did the 

1026
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,320
the the inflatable board at 
Punta Preta, which was 

1027
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,040
ridiculous. 
So that's a good advertisement. 

1028
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Yeah. 
And then I think with this, the 

1029
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Spencer's, I don't, I don't 
know. 

1030
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,840
It's, it's one of those things 
where it's like, I don't want to

1031
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960
be like the guy that's like, 
this is the idea and this is 

1032
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,960
where we're going to go do like 
if we're talking it or I'm 

1033
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,040
talking through somebody else to
talk to them. 

1034
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,080
Like I'd much rather do what 
they want to do and their ideas.

1035
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,600
And then I'll kind of guide it 
in the direction that I think is

1036
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
more interesting. 
And then Annie and I are talking

1037
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,520
about a project right now. 
We will see if. 

1038
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,680
We get funding for that. 
It's been, it's been a nightmare

1039
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,360
getting funding for it, which I 
don't fully understand why, but 

1040
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,640
I thought. 
I mean, shit loads of money I 

1041
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,440
spend. 
Yeah, they're, I mean. 

1042
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,280
Surely Omni brands? 
It's one of those brands. 

1043
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,800
It's one of those brands that I 
feel like they're extremely 

1044
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,360
smart with the money that like 
they're doing well. 

1045
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,840
And usually when you're like, 
oh, let's do this cool project 

1046
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,080
and then they are like, no, 
we're not going to do that. 

1047
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:37,160
It's like in the end, it's 
usually for a good reason, you 

1048
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,600
know, So it's like when you like
pitch a brand and they say no, 

1049
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
it's like you can't just be 
like, oh, they don't, they don't

1050
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,520
like me. 
It's like they have to kind of 

1051
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,800
think about what their budget is
for the year, what their end 

1052
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,320
goal is. 
And like sometimes it just 

1053
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,200
doesn't fit and I felt like when
I was. 

1054
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,280
That's a calculating brand that 
is an that. 

1055
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,440
Is a ridiculous like and. 
And they'll that always. 

1056
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,840
Calculated Armstrong's 
calculated like. 

1057
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,200
Like they don't. 
They don't really miss very 

1058
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,280
often, if they ever do. 
And they spend their money 

1059
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,600
wisely. 
And with any brand that does 

1060
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,160
kites and foils and wings, it's 
just like. 

1061
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,680
If you're just throwing money 
around, like you're going to be 

1062
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,400
out of business pretty fast. 
I feel like with how fast foils 

1063
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,760
change and how fast your 
changes, it's like, oh, like we 

1064
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,920
didn't make the best foil of 
2027 is like, we're going to 

1065
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,880
sell 0 foils. 
You know, it's like it's not 

1066
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,000
some other brand that's going to
be like, Oh yeah, like we sold a

1067
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,560
couple. 
You know, it's like with 

1068
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,280
foiling. 
I feel like it's either you, you

1069
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,400
make it or you don't. 
It's quite exciting to see these

1070
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,640
brands though, And then we we 
talk about the the hook Berry 

1071
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,160
stuff and for anyone that hasn't
watched it, the dirt series of, 

1072
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:55,640
of, of really cooking around the
world is just it's, it's such a 

1073
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:01,760
good idea and it's so cool 
seeing the duotone, the F1 that,

1074
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,280
you know, could we can put duet.
I would put Duotone in there as 

1075
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,760
well, as much as I might not not
be a fan of theirs purely 

1076
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,000
because they beat the shit out 
of us competition wise. 

1077
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,240
Yeah. 
Now they got the line and just 

1078
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,240
cleaned up in Florida. 
So I think they're going to be 

1079
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,520
doing that, and they do. 
Such a good job of it. 

1080
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,760
They just dominate and, and 
Armstrong's the same thing. 

1081
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,840
And I've sat down and chatted 
with the guys there and you 

1082
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,640
could see how calculated it is. 
And we've talked about this for 

1083
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,920
a while, for a long while 
actually, with those guys, Liam 

1084
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,600
and I, you, you knew something 
had changed when when they they 

1085
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,200
structured what they were doing 
behind the scenes and put a few 

1086
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,840
people in places and there was a
direction they wanted to go. 

1087
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,120
And F1's done it for years with 
their videos. 

1088
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,840
Like they have a very set. 
This is what we want to do and I

1089
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,520
really respect it. 
I really, really, really like 

1090
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,240
it. 
Even if it doesn't like with the

1091
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,880
Duotone stuff, it doesn't align 
with maybe what I'd like to do 

1092
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,480
they they pick their line and 
they stick to it and they 

1093
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:09,000
dominate and it's. 
That that said then Dane, if one

1094
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:16,840
of them came along and wanted 
you to be head of videography, 

1095
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,720
you know, assistant director to 
marketing or something, would 

1096
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,120
you go, well, that's a sick 
opportunity or would you go, oh,

1097
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:30,360
that's putting me in a box and 
I'm too much of A creative one 

1098
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,720
brand. 
No, I think, I think if the 

1099
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,360
right opportunity came along, I 
I would take it for sure. 

1100
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,360
I think the the. 
Constant the right amount of 

1101
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:42,760
travel. 
This is what it means. 

1102
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,400
Exactly. 
No, I, I think the like, I've 

1103
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,560
absolutely loved the last like 
the last year has been 

1104
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,880
absolutely ridiculous travel 
wise and I'm, I'm tired. 

1105
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,280
So I think if the right 
opportunity came along that I 

1106
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:06,520
could have the opportunity to 
have creative control over the 

1107
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:11,240
look of a brand and the stories 
that we tell, I would absolutely

1108
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,720
love to do that. 
I think it's really hard to kind

1109
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,400
of step into a brand for like a 
couple shoots and then step away

1110
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,920
and then step in like to have 
consistency where it's like 

1111
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,720
we're going to build this one 
story and then we're going to 

1112
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,000
branch it out and it's going to 
go down the kite, the branch or 

1113
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,720
the foil branch or the wing 
branch or whatever. 

1114
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,680
I would, yeah, I would love that
opportunity to do that. 

1115
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,800
But I think where you live and 
kind of who you know in that 

1116
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,040
area, especially with foiling I 
think dictates that more than 

1117
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,240
say like if you work for other 
some big brands, you know, but. 

1118
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,960
Who Who close? 
Who most closely aligns with? 

1119
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,880
If you were to be given that 
role and responsibility, who's 

1120
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,040
already doing something that's 
most similar to what your style 

1121
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:05,240
would be? 
He's going to, I mean, I think, 

1122
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:11,440
I think because I've done the 
most work with F1, I think that 

1123
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,960
would fit the most seamlessly. 
Like I, I understand the brand 

1124
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,680
really well and kind of their 
look and feel. 

1125
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:28,520
I don't know, I I think in not 
to sound like too righteous, but

1126
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,960
I feel like I'm pretty unique in
the stories that I tell in the 

1127
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,360
foiling world. 
And so I I don't know, I really 

1128
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,320
haven't seen a lot of other 
films that are kind of similar 

1129
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:45,600
to what I do. 
Like obviously there are, there 

1130
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:51,000
are a couple and I I, but I 
think in that story based, brand

1131
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,840
based stuff, I, I don't know, I 
think you can, I'd love to fit 

1132
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,800
into any brand that wants to be 
so. 

1133
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,800
I actually said a. 
Interesting. 

1134
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,000
Question. 
I actually sent a message to a 

1135
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,720
couple of the guys at F1 because
I couldn't believe it that I 

1136
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,640
watched. 
I don't even know what the video

1137
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,160
is called, but they're basically
made. 

1138
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,120
Oh, it's not mid form. 
It would be long form, wouldn't 

1139
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,480
it? 
Freddie as well, outside of 

1140
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:18,840
Dane's. 
I haven't. 

1141
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,120
I haven't watched. 
It so I watched a video that was

1142
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,640
just explaining the new foil 
range and that was it. 

1143
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,240
It was the new range and it went
through the entire catalog 

1144
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,760
that's coming. 
You know, that's out now spring 

1145
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:37,520
26 and I was like, these are the
product videos. 

1146
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,880
I think I've talked about it 
before with with other brands as

1147
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,840
well. 
And I'm like, Oh, I think I 

1148
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,440
remember a really good AFS one 
that I watched that I remember 

1149
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,840
talking about on the pod. 
And I was like, if I'm if I've, 

1150
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,320
if they're keeping my attention 
and I'm like, I'm not, I'm not 

1151
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,440
about to spend. 
You know, I'm not, I'm not got a

1152
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,120
cash burning a hole in my 
pocket. 

1153
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:00,760
I'm not looking for a new foil 
or whatever. 

1154
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,240
And yet I'm still glued to this.
And I just because we did 

1155
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,640
foiling podcasts, like I don't 
watch all of the products 

1156
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,320
videos. 
And I was like, this is a sick 

1157
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,080
video. 
And they're, they're managing to

1158
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,960
talk about the sensations and 
the feelings and keeping it very

1159
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:21,640
driven by why did we make this 
product, this foil like this? 

1160
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,720
What did we want to get out of 
it? 

1161
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,680
And then what has it delivered? 
And you know that there's a real

1162
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,600
depth to the, the story and, and
it was, they went through the 

1163
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,120
whole bloody catalog, but it's 
so seamlessly transitioned 

1164
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:38,920
because it was like, oh, well, 
there's that foil that does 

1165
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,800
these things. 
But of course, some of the time 

1166
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,160
we're presented with these 
conditions and then we start 

1167
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,360
straying into doing. 
And I'm just like this was, 

1168
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,920
yeah. 
Yeah, not often. 

1169
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:52,120
My my pet peeve in the in the 
the foiling world is the you go 

1170
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,080
to the website and you're like, 
like, what's this foil do? 

1171
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,960
And it's like 9 out of 10 
pumping. 

1172
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,200
And then you like look down, 
down. 

1173
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,280
It's like 9 out of 10 carving, 9
out of 10 speed, 9 out of 10 

1174
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,080
stall speed. 
And you're like, dude, it can't 

1175
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,640
do all that. 
You know, it's like it's only 

1176
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,240
smallest. 
Well, that, but that's what I 

1177
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:13,040
think was that's what I always. 
Think that's what F1 does well. 

1178
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,480
Well, that's what was. 
Like Oh yeah, this actually 

1179
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,200
doesn't work and. 
Sorry, go on. 

1180
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,520
No, go ahead. 
No, the like with the the F1 

1181
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,800
that the new pair wing. 
It's like like you hear about it

1182
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,560
first and you're like, ah, why 
would they make another pair 

1183
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,720
wing and then you like use it 
and understand they're thinking 

1184
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,760
behind it. 
You're like, fuck, that makes so

1185
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,160
much sense. 
Like obviously you need to pay 

1186
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,520
another pair of ways and then 
you use it and you're like, 

1187
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,480
fuck, this thing works well. 
Then you're like, Oh my God, 

1188
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:38,800
like go buy another pair of 
well. 

1189
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,000
That's what I liked about this 
with the new release of the new 

1190
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,960
system and stuff was that it's 
not too the message wasn't too 

1191
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,320
like number driven from a oh, 
it's 10% this, 20% this. 

1192
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,360
It's like, let's just remind 
people what this skate as a 

1193
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,560
product category, let's just 
remind them what that was for. 

1194
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,200
This is what it was born out of.
This is what it was intended to 

1195
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,360
do. 
If you are looking for this 

1196
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:11,240
feeling, this is our offering 
for that like that, you know, 

1197
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,520
and I found that that I really 
was like, oh, OK, that makes 

1198
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,319
sense. 
It must be quite difficult 

1199
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,439
though and, and touching on the 
the power wing, the quests that 

1200
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,279
the F1 have just released. 
I would, I mean, I don't 

1201
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,040
actually know because I'm not 
involved with that side of 

1202
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,120
things, but looking at what it 
is. 

1203
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,680
So it's a more downwind focused 
powering. 

1204
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,920
As far as I'm aware. 
We've just had the Power Pack 

1205
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,640
released a few months ago from 
Ozone, who I do work with and 

1206
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:46,040
I've had to put put across that 
story to customers, retailers, 

1207
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:51,640
end users, whatever. 
I don't envy the position of 

1208
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,439
those marketing marketeers. 
Marketing. 

1209
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,319
Groups. 
Who have had to put that across 

1210
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:01,560
and I would definitely say F1 
have a better ability and in 

1211
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,080
this instance have done a better
job because the and and it's 

1212
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:10,399
also then reminded me that the 
way we all interpret information

1213
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:15,439
is completely different. 
Me me explained like I get it in

1214
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,640
my head right. 
This power wing is a more 

1215
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,240
downwind focus power wing. 
It stashes better. 

1216
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,399
It hasn't got as good of upwind 
angles. 

1217
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:26,120
I put that across in the words 
that I would generally speak 

1218
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:31,479
between that that that works for
me and suddenly someone goes it 

1219
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:32,880
doesn't go upwind. 
Cool, got it. 

1220
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,840
And you're like, well, well, 
well, no, we had that exact 

1221
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,439
conversation because Ozone 
released some information to, to

1222
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,000
the retailer, ships to the, to 
the dealers, to the 

1223
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,240
distributors. 
And it, it said this certain 

1224
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,520
spiel. 
And then it gets released 2 

1225
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,040
weeks later. 
And we get the same thing 

1226
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,479
through that the retailers get. 
So it's the distributors 

1227
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,040
initially and then the retailers
and they've changed the wording.

1228
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,120
And I'm chatting to Jim who does
the marketing for them. 

1229
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,560
And he's like, oh, it didn't, we
had too many conversations of, 

1230
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,520
oh, it doesn't go up wind as 
well, which means people, people

1231
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,560
are saying it doesn't go up 
wind. 

1232
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,800
And you're like, how, how, how 
do you put this across to 

1233
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,280
people? 
Because obviously my, for 

1234
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,280
whatever reason, my bluntness 
and just telling people what I 

1235
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:21,120
think is straight to their face,
they're, they're misinterpreting

1236
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,280
and, and taking it in a slightly
different light. 

1237
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,360
And I feel like F1 in this 
instance, I've done a really 

1238
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:27,760
good job. 
But it might be, it must be 

1239
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,360
incredibly difficult for your 
role and for F1's role with that

1240
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,760
kind of video to put things 
across in a light that more 

1241
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,360
people can understand and more 
people like you. 

1242
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:45,480
Watch the comments on any videos
YouTube, Facebook, Instagram and

1243
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:50,160
I suppose our opinions skew how 
we take on board information in 

1244
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,160
general. 
But you read comments that 

1245
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,400
people say and you're like, but 
I got the exact, I got the exact

1246
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,040
opposite opinion from that story
video. 

1247
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,240
Suppose Dane doesn't really have
to deal with. 

1248
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,680
This. 
You're kind of focusing on the 

1249
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,000
right story. 
He's gone by that point. 

1250
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,280
Yeah, I think. 
Have you have you done much 

1251
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,800
product based stuff like that or
not or? 

1252
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:17,320
Do you think, Yeah, I've, I've 
done a lot of the video photo 

1253
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:22,000
stuff for products, but the 
actual output of like writing a 

1254
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,120
script for it, I have not done. 
I would not say I'm a great 

1255
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:28,800
writer. 
So I'm not really looking to 

1256
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:37,120
improve in that career, but 
yeah, I, I, yeah, like how how 

1257
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:39,920
different stuff shows up on film
and what it looks like. 

1258
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,920
And what they're trying to, to 
show, I think is you have to 

1259
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:47,120
think about it a ton. 
And I mean it in the foil world 

1260
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,360
so small that if one person's 
like, oh, this, this foil's 

1261
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,400
super cool or this one sucks, 
you know, it's like, you're 

1262
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,640
like, all right, done. 
Like write that off and never 

1263
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,400
touch that foil again. 
You're like, dude, you didn't 

1264
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,040
even try it. 
Or like some random person that 

1265
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,400
doesn't know how to foil tried 
it and hated it. 

1266
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,080
And then it like skews your 
opinion of everything. 

1267
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:08,800
So I don't know, I think in such
a small world, it's, it's, it's 

1268
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,760
a, it's a very touchy subject 
where like if you get it right 

1269
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:17,600
initially, like your your goal. 
And if not, then you kind of 

1270
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,920
have to work to get it back, you
know? 

1271
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,120
What's the answer though? 
How'd you get it right? 

1272
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,960
How do these better? 
Like that's the weird thing in 

1273
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,760
that how do, how do Armstrong, 
how do Armstrong keep hitting 

1274
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,160
products out of the park? 
How do they keep nailing it? 

1275
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,760
What's what's? 
No, I mean their their last 

1276
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:38,200
advertisement of the the a what 
is it a plus system? 

1277
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,200
Their their mass spoiled. 
Connection. 

1278
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,040
You mean the kick F1 while 
they're down system? 

1279
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:48,040
Yeah, that was that was 
beautiful timing, but in a great

1280
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,320
ad. 
But yeah, I don't know. 

1281
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,760
I think you have to get lucky 
and you trial and error, at 

1282
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,440
least on that's how I I've. 
Learned. 

1283
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,000
I did think that was 
questionable timing. 

1284
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,320
I thought, should I? 
And also, didn't they go through

1285
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,960
that revision? 
There was nothing questionable 

1286
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,440
about that timing at all. 
That was, let's make a make a 

1287
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,440
meal of this while they're in a 
weak spot. 

1288
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,080
Good on them. 
But poof, that was a bit. 

1289
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,680
Wasn't there a revision? 
Anyway, that's the whole A+, 

1290
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:20,480
isn't it? 
Yeah. 

1291
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,560
They put two more fucking. 
They put two more. 

1292
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,800
Fucking bolts in to take that 
one. 

1293
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,520
Drill some holes in the side of 
it. 

1294
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,240
Oh, OK, things are moving, 
aren't they? 

1295
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:35,480
I, how do I then, and this might
just be a personality thing then

1296
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:38,440
and I want to come on to music. 
So we've talked in the podcast 

1297
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:44,720
previously, like I listen to 
music and I can picture the the 

1298
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,160
wave at the same time. 
And this is like I'm, I'm, I'm 

1299
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,880
driving up the M5. 
No drugs involved. 

1300
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,360
No drugs involved at all, but I 
can picture how I would want it 

1301
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,000
to work in a video. 
Now. 

1302
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,120
I'm not a videographer and I'm 
fucking terrible. 

1303
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,960
I've done this for years and I 
can I. 

1304
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,080
I But you play guitar well. 
No, I really just so. 

1305
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,120
Glad you said that. 
Ever since Freddie started 

1306
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,520
talking about his own project, 
all I could think of in my head 

1307
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,800
was, genuinely, I would like 
somebody to pay Freddie for 

1308
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,160
three to six months to go. 
He's going to make a video 

1309
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,680
project, but I think he has to 
do all of it, including the 

1310
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,880
music himself. 
You have to record the theme. 

1311
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,240
Change I like to write your 
music. 

1312
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:32,320
In the future, but I know how I 
want a video to look but I can't

1313
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,920
really do it. 
Anyway, the main the main 

1314
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:39,360
question was going to be how do 
I persuade Guy Bridge to put a 

1315
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,440
video out of him using 
Audioslave coach eyes? 

1316
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:46,440
I don't know that I saw. 
I saw a post the other day that 

1317
01:14:46,440 --> 01:14:50,280
was like every videographer's 
secret is all they're doing is 

1318
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:51,760
getting you to listen to their 
music. 

1319
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,560
That was like. 
How does how does music play a 

1320
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:57,200
part? 
Yeah. 

1321
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,520
How does music play a part in, 
in your videos? 

1322
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,800
Because I've, you know, I don't 
agree with the music that guy 

1323
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,560
uses in his videos. 
I don't agree with some of the 

1324
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,080
music that that Josh uses in, in
some of his videos. 

1325
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,200
Not the ones you've done. 
Thank you. 

1326
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,000
Yeah, although I'm I'm, but to 
be honest, I'm sure I disagree 

1327
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,480
with some of the music you 
choose as well. 

1328
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,280
We like we all. 
Listen to completely. 

1329
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,480
Different stuff. 
How much of A role does music 

1330
01:15:19,480 --> 01:15:21,840
play in in the work that you do,
and how much freedom do you have

1331
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,000
over choosing it? 
Fuck yeah, that's a great 

1332
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,680
question. 
Hell yeah. 

1333
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,800
No, I think music makes or 
breaks whatever little section 

1334
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:39,800
that it's a part of. 
I think it's super valuable and 

1335
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,960
I'm pretty pissed that I have to
use royalty few music all the 

1336
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,920
time. 
I I have found a program called 

1337
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:59,960
splice for any upcoming 
videographers is it'll it you 

1338
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:04,200
have basically like songs 
deconstructed. 

1339
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,400
So you'll have the guitar, 
you'll have the drums, you'll 

1340
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,560
have whatever and they'll be 
like little riffs and then 

1341
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,760
they'll be drum lines that match
those riffs. 

1342
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,600
And so you can basically like 
recreate music in your timeline 

1343
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:21,560
that fits your speed and that 
like I absolutely love. 

1344
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,120
I use that for almost 
everything. 

1345
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,560
I don't really use like art 
lists or like royalty free music

1346
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:35,640
sites very often. 
And yeah, I, I think like how, 

1347
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,600
how it feels, how the speed of 
everything is like, I, I think 

1348
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,880
playing with like fast music and
slow video or fast video and 

1349
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,240
slow music, like, I think it, it
just changed the vibe of 

1350
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:50,400
everything all the time, you 
know. 

1351
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:55,640
So I, I like it's, it's fun to 
do the longer stuff because you 

1352
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:01,240
can kind of play with the speed 
of the storytelling and kind of 

1353
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:06,320
have music kind of lead lead the
way, I guess would be the way to

1354
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,960
say it. 
I think, I think as soon as as 

1355
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:12,720
soon as you said royalty free 
music, I realized my question 

1356
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,560
was actually useless because 
yeah. 

1357
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,200
That no, I would, I would 
absolutely love to use. 

1358
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,640
Like I have Spotify playlists of
music that I would love to use. 

1359
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,920
And it's just like if you're 
going to put it on YouTube or if

1360
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,320
you're going to work with a 
brand, it's like you, you just 

1361
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,400
can't use that stuff. 
I mean, you can for YouTube. 

1362
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:34,480
Like I think the stuff with cash
we used was non royalty free 

1363
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,320
music, but it was a conversation
we had beforehand and that's 

1364
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,200
what we ended up using. 
So it's a bummer for him because

1365
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,200
his videos did super well. 
So he might have made, you know,

1366
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:49,760
like $10 off of it. 
But he but he's he's personal in

1367
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,160
me so he can use videos himself.
Well, I mean. 

1368
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,760
Sorry, songs himself. 
Yeah, I don't know the full 

1369
01:17:55,760 --> 01:18:01,080
legality of it, but. 
Because guys, if it's for brand 

1370
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,280
monkeys song in every single. 
Well, for social, for social 

1371
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,480
media stuff and personal stuff 
is like you can, you can kind of

1372
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:12,360
use whatever music you want. 
If it's for a brand, I 

1373
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,560
personally think it has to be 
royalty free. 

1374
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,240
Yeah, Yeah. 
Well. 

1375
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,600
One of one of the main desires. 
Quite. 

1376
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:25,600
Me to actually be one of the 
world's best at any sport is to 

1377
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,920
be able to produce videos and 
have footage that is of a high 

1378
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,760
enough quality that you could 
just release some absolute out 

1379
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,560
there bangers. 
And it's funny that you should 

1380
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,840
have sent me that meme today, 
Freddie, original Nutter. 

1381
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,400
Imagine having some footage 
worthy of that. 

1382
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,720
It would just be absolutely 
phenomenal. 

1383
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,160
We we've talked about this day 
and as well you must. 

1384
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,040
I mean you, you I could 
guarantee you follow John John 

1385
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,160
on on Instagram the the exactly 
what Liam says there. 

1386
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,600
He puts some bangers out and 
it's like 1 top turn on one wave

1387
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,080
and he's got Motörhead playing 
in the background and you're 

1388
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:06,000
like Oh my God I can't I. 
Couldn't I don't know what foil 

1389
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,480
turn would would allow that 
music. 

1390
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,720
But this is I I've got I've got 
the shot in mind for for 

1391
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,160
Audioslave and I keep pushing 
guy about it. 

1392
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,960
When he puts I've got this, I 
want him to do it and I want as 

1393
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,360
it as it drops. 
Anyone that hasn't listened to 

1394
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:23,000
Audioslave coach eyes go and 
listen to it now when it drops. 

1395
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,080
Biggest fucking kite surf spray 
you've ever seen in your life. 

1396
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:32,600
That's and I have it in my head 
and I know full well exactly 

1397
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,880
like Liam said, I'd love to be 
at the level where I could pull 

1398
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,680
it off myself, but I have to 
imprint this onto other people 

1399
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,520
because I can't fucking do it. 
I mean, if you tell enough 

1400
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:42,720
people, someone will listen, 
right? 

1401
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,680
Hopefully, but the trouble is it
needs to be the right person. 

1402
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:46,840
I don't want so much shit to. 
Do it. 

1403
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,120
Who would you be most upset by 
Freddie that they were to use 

1404
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,200
that song in a video? 
Dave West. 

1405
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,720
Sorry, Dave, you came. 
Is that is that because you 

1406
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,640
don't like him or because he's 
not good enough? 

1407
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:09,960
No, no, he just came. 
He came to mind as someone that 

1408
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,640
actually would listen to this 
and go I'm going to put that in 

1409
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:19,480
a video now I I would like to 
know what I I want Dane you're. 

1410
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,560
Going to get some shit with that
audio tagged pretty soon. 

1411
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:26,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, loads of them.
It's going to start going on 

1412
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:30,000
Instagram. 
I want Dane to come and be our I

1413
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,800
want Dane to come and be our 
videographer Liam. 

1414
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,600
I want to see how many zeros we 
need to tempt him to go to 

1415
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,240
brands and do our vlog series 
around Australia or whatever 

1416
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,840
harebrained schemes we have. 
I would love to see the how 

1417
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,400
pretty fun someone professional.
Would approach. 

1418
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,000
Would pull apart our hood? 
Yeah. 

1419
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,600
Pull apart our hood. 
River trips, No. 

1420
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,720
Right. 
Guys, the storyline is you're 

1421
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,760
doing this together, OK? 
So you're doing it. 

1422
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,360
We get to the spot. 
ALP Libs over there, ALP 

1423
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:58,920
Freddy's over there. 
OK, brilliant. 

1424
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,200
Yeah, Freddy. 
I feel like sat. 

1425
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,360
In a car having beers. 
Like some of some of the best 

1426
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:10,200
stuff is like having shit 
writers and have entertaining 

1427
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,560
people talking about stuff we. 
Didn't say shit, we didn't say 

1428
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,200
shit, we just said. 
I wasn't talking about you. 

1429
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,080
What would be? 
AI think you put that in your 

1430
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:21,320
own? 
What? 

1431
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:25,120
Would be a song, Freddie, that 
you think sums up the level of 

1432
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,480
your riding. 
That is quite a good exercise 

1433
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,520
for people to do, wouldn't that?
I don't know, have you do ski 

1434
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,600
day? 
Do ski. 

1435
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:33,960
I do, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1436
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:41,360
Have you watched the game of NA?
Is that slush TV or is that 

1437
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,560
something different that was? 
Yeah, shame, shame. 

1438
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,960
The comics by Jars. 
OK. 

1439
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,840
It's. 
It's in memory of that guy that 

1440
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,960
died in the game that he used to
play, and you score different 

1441
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:54,960
points for doing different sort 
of things. 

1442
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,680
OK yeah so Shane Mcconkey was 
obviously massive Red Bull ski 

1443
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,080
based rider and funnily enough 
died in ski base. 

1444
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:08,200
Can't imagine why, but he used 
to play a game called Nah with 

1445
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,600
all his mates. 
And it basically you'd get 

1446
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:12,680
points through the season for 
skiing naked or calling your mum

1447
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,280
on a really dangerous line or 
skiing certain lines and doing 

1448
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,920
stupid stuff. 
And when he died, all his mates 

1449
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,080
basically put on a worldwide, 
Oh, they, they did an 

1450
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,840
Invitational event and they 
videoed it and it's a phenomenal

1451
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,680
video. 
Like it's, it's so, so, so good.

1452
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:32,480
But the soundtrack is by a band 
called Ween WEEN. 

1453
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,480
And I don't know if you know, 
it's, it's one of them where the

1454
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:39,000
band was probably good mates 
with all the lads that are in 

1455
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,480
the thing. 
So they've used all their music 

1456
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:49,920
and they've got a song called 
Shaking My Dick in the Wind that

1457
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:54,680
is the soundtrack to our life. 
Liam on this podcast that is 

1458
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,320
and, and, and honestly, Dane, I 
urge you to go. 

1459
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,520
In soundtrack as well. 
That it's it's, it's so good. 

1460
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,320
It's on that playlist. 
Yeah, I gotta. 

1461
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,400
Watch and every time so watch, 
watch and you'll hear that when 

1462
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,480
the song comes on you'll you'll 
be like, yeah, got it, love it. 

1463
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,080
It's it's the it's the best. 
It's so, so good, but it's by a 

1464
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,400
really serious band as. 
Well, I think mine would be, you

1465
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,800
know that you know, that 
offspring song is it self esteem

1466
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:23,040
where he's basically talking 
about is the the girl that's not

1467
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,520
treating him that well, But at 
the end of the day, he's not a 

1468
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,120
loser and she wants sex, so 
we'll have sex. 

1469
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:32,400
I feel like that's the that's 
the troublesome relationship. 

1470
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:34,640
That you're foiling. 
It's a bit of a toxic 

1471
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,160
relationship. 
You put an awful lot in. 

1472
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,640
You don't get that much better, 
you don't get as good as you 

1473
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,280
want to do, but it's enjoyable 
enough to keep you coming back. 

1474
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:46,280
That'd be my song. 
Yeah, it is, It is funny. 

1475
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:52,080
It, it's funny with watching 
like I, I feel like foiling 

1476
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:55,760
obsession is on like a two year 
arc where it's like you get into

1477
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,240
it, you like can't think of 
anything else in the world 

1478
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,760
besides foiling for like 2 years
and then like 2 years happens. 

1479
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,120
Then the fog clears. 
Then you went, OK, do I actually

1480
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:07,360
want to do this or whatnot? 
And it's so it's so funny just 

1481
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,360
watching the, the people, 
they're getting into it now or 

1482
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,920
like learning it down and you're
like, Oh my God. 

1483
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,320
And they're just like, do you 
want to go? 

1484
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:14,360
Do you want to go? 
Do you want to go? 

1485
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,520
Do you want to go? 
And I'm like, dude, I, I don't 

1486
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,560
want to drive an hour and then 
go down and then like some 14 

1487
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:22,440
knots down wind and then paddle 
halfway. 

1488
01:24:22,440 --> 01:24:25,240
I'm like, I'm going to wait 
until it's like 35 knots and I 

1489
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:30,080
can barely stand on the beach. 
I don't know, it's just funny. 

1490
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,320
Like it's just you watch the 
obsession happen. 

1491
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,040
You watch that that bug just 
kind of take over and you're 

1492
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:38,280
like, like I was there. 
I remember that, that feeling of

1493
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,320
just absolute obsession. 
So. 

1494
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,080
There's a funny one in that. 
Yeah. 

1495
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,200
What else we got, Liam, What 
else we got? 

1496
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:49,560
I'm feeling like I've got. 
I had a couple of questions 

1497
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,680
which were sat there at the 
forefront of my head and now 

1498
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,600
I've. 
I'm surprised you've been 

1499
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,600
awfully chatting on this podcast
I've quite enjoyed. 

1500
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,200
It I'm actually interested. 
That's why we're not just 

1501
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,440
talking some some generic 
foiler. 

1502
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:12,280
We our our enthusiasm level Dane
as as as dip to touch. 

1503
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,240
Let's no, not ours. 
My enthusiasm. 

1504
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,120
I I always put Liam into my my 
bucket, but my enthusiasm as as 

1505
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,600
dip to touch and especially 
coming off the back of New 

1506
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,640
Zealand in which I spent in 
January and and finally we've 

1507
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,960
had some sunshine, which is 
great. 

1508
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,640
But I need conversations like 
this to be, to be enthused by 

1509
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:36,000
and go in and talking to a brand
about their new foil designs or 

1510
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,800
go and talking to a rider about 
this trip. 

1511
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,680
They're just I don't fucking 
care. 

1512
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,160
It's got there's got to be 
there's got to be some. 

1513
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,480
And I think that's exactly what 
what we're talking about with 

1514
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,640
your work. 
We all want something a little 

1515
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,840
bit new, don't we? 
We don't want to watch the same 

1516
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,680
shit again. 
I'll tell you what I'm really 

1517
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,760
interested in in watching, 
probably because it's something 

1518
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,680
new. 
I don't know where it's actually

1519
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:00,440
been shown, but Jack Johnson's 
doing a surf film with with 

1520
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:03,040
somebody. 
I'm really, really interested in

1521
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,840
learning about him and it 
through his surf life as opposed

1522
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,920
to his music life. 
I don't know if you've seen the 

1523
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,160
advert at all. 
Yeah, he's an insane server. 

1524
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:19,000
Like really good he was. 
I mean, he did all the like the 

1525
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:27,160
my first like Surf films were 
when he was like at his peak. 

1526
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,720
So he was in and I think he's in
step in a liquid. 

1527
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,440
Is this your favorite movie? 
I need to make a note of this. 

1528
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:37,360
Yeah, I've mentioned it like 3 
times already. 

1529
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:40,320
I don't, I haven't watched it a 
long time so I don't know how 

1530
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:45,800
dated it is, but yeah, that was 
my original obsession. 

1531
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,320
And I think back to our 
soundtrack thing is like, I have

1532
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,360
so many of those songs saves and
isn't it something? 

1533
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,120
Like and I, I don't know what 
age you are, Dan, but you can't 

1534
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,720
be too far off our age. 
Isn't it mental how much of A 

1535
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:06,360
cultural impact Tony Hawk's 
PlayStation games had on our 

1536
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:11,640
kind of era blokes? 
Yeah, yeah, I think yeah. 

1537
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,560
I think it's it's funny to look 
back at like the individuals 

1538
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:20,240
that kind of like inspired you 
or like changed how you see the 

1539
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,520
world or see about sports. 
You know, like I think Shaun 

1540
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:28,040
White's another one where you're
just like like that one person, 

1541
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:30,800
however many much you watched or
like Jack Johnson or Kelly 

1542
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,640
Slater, whoever, whoever it is 
in the world. 

1543
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:38,320
It's like to see how they like 
still kind of affect your life 

1544
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,040
or you still think about it is 
it's I don't know, it's crazy. 

1545
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,040
I think like it it kind of 
shapes kind of who you are, what

1546
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:50,200
you like and like. 
I think they the Malloys who did

1547
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,640
that step in a liquid film is 
like I'm. 

1548
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:54,520
Right. 
I hadn't. 

1549
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,920
I didn't know that they did it, 
but I know they're obviously hot

1550
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,120
shit in that world. 
Yeah. 

1551
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,520
Yeah. 
And yeah, Dan, Dan, actually I 

1552
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:07,240
did a when my brother and I were
doing our podcast, we had Dan on

1553
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,320
for a little bit and I had 
Chris. 

1554
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:17,360
Chris and Dan signed my 10th 
birthday surfboard Patagonia. 

1555
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,720
So I still got that tucked away 
in storage. 

1556
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,080
Sell it for pretty penny in the 
future. 

1557
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:28,280
Never sell that. 
Yeah, I think, yeah, all those 

1558
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:32,680
people that I like you kind of 
think that you don't have those 

1559
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:36,360
kind of like inspirations or 
like, and then you kind of like 

1560
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,160
go back and you're like, OK, 
that actually had a bigger 

1561
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,360
effect on who I am today than I 
originally thought. 

1562
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,680
But I think if you don't like 
think about it or like bring it 

1563
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,880
up, it's like, I don't know, 
it's, it's good. 

1564
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,240
I am happy to do those like kind
of reflections. 

1565
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:52,280
Like what I was saying, it's 
like the job interview. 

1566
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,160
I'm like, OK, the reflection is 
actually really nice. 

1567
01:28:57,920 --> 01:28:59,880
We're like doing these podcasts.
We're going to talk about the 

1568
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,080
projects I've done. 
I'm like, fuck, like I don't 

1569
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,080
forgot about that one or when 
that one was, you know, like 

1570
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,920
whatever, whatever it is, but. 
It's important you don't do it 

1571
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:10,840
too much like like we were. 
Joking about earlier. 

1572
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,560
But it's it's it's it's 
occasionally nice to look back 

1573
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,600
and be reminded because I think 
you know, you don't, you don't 

1574
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:21,000
want it to build the ego, but 
you'd like to have a little bit 

1575
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,720
of confidence that I know, I 
know what I'm on about. 

1576
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,920
I know what I'm doing. 
I've got a little bit of Pro S 

1577
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:29,520
prowess here. 
Yeah, I definitely. 

1578
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,720
And I can offer something. 
I know I can offer something. 

1579
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:32,920
Do you ever want to be in front 
I? 

1580
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,840
Don't, I don't think. 
But I want to be in front of the

1581
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,880
camera Dane. 
Oh, I did. 

1582
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:45,720
I did that a bit. 
I I have very little I. 

1583
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:50,680
I got another one to say, yeah. 
People are good at talking and I

1584
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:55,680
feel like I, I'm good in short 
instances and I like my quiet 

1585
01:29:55,680 --> 01:30:00,320
and I like telling people 
stories, so I'm happy behind it.

1586
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,880
I, I don't know, I think career 
wise, like what I was saying at 

1587
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:11,320
the beginning is like, I did the
what you maybe could call 

1588
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:16,200
influencing and foiling super 
early on and, and that was 

1589
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,640
enough for me. 
And I don't really want to be in

1590
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,720
front of the camera even like my
social media. 

1591
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,840
I'm just like, ah, like do I 
have to force myself? 

1592
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:27,320
Like do you find? 
Is there a pressure there at all

1593
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,480
to to do any of that for for the
career and for work? 

1594
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:35,200
There was, I, I mean, obviously 
I think life would be easier if 

1595
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,360
I had a huge following on social
media, but it's like there's so 

1596
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:41,840
many insane photographers that I
know that have 0 social media or

1597
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:47,080
don't have an Instagram or have 
the shittest website ever. 

1598
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:52,560
So it's like you don't need it. 
I think word of mouth and your 

1599
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:58,520
work speaks a lot. 
But yeah, I mean, if I had 

1600
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,120
200,000 followers on Instagram, 
like life would be easier for 

1601
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,000
work, maybe there'll be other 
issues that I have to deal with,

1602
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:10,680
but. 
Going off what you mentioned 

1603
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,880
earlier then, so you said you've
had a big year with travel and 

1604
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,600
you're exhausted by it. 
I was going to say at the time 

1605
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:23,040
that we've taken note. 
We can't be the only ones that 

1606
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,280
have taken notes. 
You know, we've met you and 

1607
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,800
we've seen your name floating 
around and you see your own 

1608
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:31,440
photos popping up and you think 
fucking Ellie's, you know, he's 

1609
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,120
got, he's got his hand in here 
and here and here. 

1610
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,040
It's obviously paid off all the 
the year that you've had coming 

1611
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,920
up then as a nice way to wrap it
up. 

1612
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:45,160
And where does this year 26 
onwards from? 

1613
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:47,840
Now you don't have to tell us 
obviously what you're getting 

1614
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,680
into if you if it's not allowed,
but you know, if you got bits 

1615
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:52,720
and pieces lined up, what, 
what's 2026? 

1616
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:58,880
No, I think this month is I have
a nice break. 

1617
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:05,600
This year started off with 
really cool projects but I think

1618
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:10,920
I went O for three on. 
I was shooting for the New 

1619
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:18,840
Zealand team which they crashed 
out in their first 2 events and 

1620
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,240
didn't sell their third one so I
was supposed to do all three of 

1621
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,480
those. 
Glad everyone's OK on that, but 

1622
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:28,440
definitely disappointed to not 
film anything for them. 

1623
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,360
And then cash and I were 
actually going to go to another 

1624
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:35,960
place and the conditions were 
just horrible and both of us 

1625
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,320
were sick and we're just like, 
let's let's save ourselves and 

1626
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,520
save money on this. 
So it was definitely a tough 

1627
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,000
start of the year. 
But for the next year, I think 

1628
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:51,440
like it's a nice month to kind 
of reset and just trying to 

1629
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:56,400
figure out what my like longer 
term goals and kind of like what

1630
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,440
projects lead towards those 
longer term. 

1631
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,560
Like I, I don't know if I in 
five years, if I'm still making 

1632
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,520
12 minute foiling videos, I 
don't know if I'll be super 

1633
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,800
happy. 
So it's like, how, how do I step

1634
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,600
into the either different 
sports, bigger industries, 

1635
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:20,240
different production companies. 
Foiling will always kind of like

1636
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:25,400
have a place for me, but it's 
kind of like where where do I 

1637
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,280
want to see myself in five to 10
years? 

1638
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,400
Stepping stone. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1639
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:34,760
So it's kind of like, OK, let's 
let's slow down a bit on the the

1640
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:40,560
back-to-back to back foil or 
film trips and but yeah, 'cause 

1641
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:47,440
I think since what was it, the 
end of summer, I was home for a 

1642
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,320
week over or five days of 
Thanksgiving and then for 

1643
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:55,560
Christmas. 
So like, yeah. 

1644
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,640
And then that was that was three
weeks, no, two weeks at home. 

1645
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:04,880
And then, Oh yeah, I don't know,
it was, it was like 5-5 months 

1646
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,640
on the road and about two weeks 
home. 

1647
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,880
So it's cool. 
Exhaustion. 

1648
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,080
Yeah. 
No, it's cool. 

1649
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:12,600
Like again, it's like, I'm not 
complaining at all. 

1650
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,920
And if if like 3 years ago 
someone was like, oh, you're 

1651
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,040
you're going to film every 
single weekend for five months, 

1652
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:22,760
I was like, fuck yeah, that's 
insane. 

1653
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,440
So I'm super, super grateful 
about everything about where I 

1654
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:29,000
am. 
But it's like, let's pause, 

1655
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,280
reset and kind of figure out 
where where we go next. 

1656
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:36,800
Year so interesting how these 
how these sort of phases in life

1657
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,120
and approach that stuff can 
change and that in terms of like

1658
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,520
travel, whether that's travel 
living abroad or any of these 

1659
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:43,880
things. 
But it's so interesting. 

1660
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:46,400
Now there are some people that 
just want to be on the move 

1661
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,880
forever, but most people they 
they have a limit. 

1662
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:53,120
And it's, yeah, I just think 
it's so interesting. 

1663
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,600
I think I may miss. 
No, no, no. 

1664
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:57,600
But you know what I mean? 
What what I'm getting at is it's

1665
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,200
so interesting how you can go 
from wanting something so much 

1666
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,480
to be like, God, I desperately 
want to go and travel and do 

1667
01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:06,800
these projects and do all of 
that. 

1668
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,120
And then after a period of time,
all of that motivation can be, I

1669
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,080
am so content to be at home for 
a bit right now. 

1670
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,440
Whatever. 
It's just interesting how that 

1671
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:20,040
human experience changes. 
It's interesting because I, I 

1672
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,320
thought a lot about this and 
it's like, because I did the 

1673
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,920
sailing for a long time, which 
involved a lot of travel, but 

1674
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,440
the travel was like, you go to 1
Yacht Club and then you see the 

1675
01:35:30,440 --> 01:35:33,520
Yacht Club and you see your like
apartment and you just trap you 

1676
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,400
like, oh, I went to Italy. 
Like how was Italy? 

1677
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,440
Like I know the supermarket, I 
know the octopen, I know of my 

1678
01:35:38,440 --> 01:35:40,680
apartment. 
And then like as soon as I was 

1679
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,160
like filming and like I was 
like, dude, I got to go to the 

1680
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,320
coolest places in wherever I'm 
going and my entire job is to 

1681
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,800
find the cool thing. 
I was like, this is so sick. 

1682
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:50,920
And I was like, I was like, OK, 
I want to do that. 

1683
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:52,160
I want to do that. 
I want to do that. 

1684
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,200
And then I'm like in the back of
my head I'm like, I know this 

1685
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,640
has an expiration date. 
I know this like, I know I'm 

1686
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,800
going to get exhausted from this
and I'm like, just just go until

1687
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,840
you like blow up. 
So I definitely still want to do

1688
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:06,800
it very healthy, super healthy, 
super healthy. 

1689
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:10,680
But I was like very conscious. 
I'm like, you know what, I, I, I

1690
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,720
know I'm gonna blow up at some 
point, but I'm gonna keep going.

1691
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,960
And so now I'm just like, I 
wanna keep doing the same thing,

1692
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:19,560
but I'm gonna be a lot more kind
of selective about the projects 

1693
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:24,880
I do and the people I work with 
and just making sure it's like 

1694
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,960
it's they're cool projects and 
worth worth the time. 

1695
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,880
Which to be fair, I feel like 
all of my projects, so like I 

1696
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,640
haven't really had many where 
I'm just like, that sucked and 

1697
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:39,520
wish I didn't do that. 
But yeah, the back to back's a 

1698
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,760
bit insane. 
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad that we

1699
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:45,480
got introduced to you and that 
you're on my radar now because I

1700
01:36:45,480 --> 01:36:47,680
enjoy what you do. 
So I look forward to seeing what

1701
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,040
you do in the future too. 
I appreciate it. 

1702
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,440
Yeah, Yeah. 
I got to push Josh to do another

1703
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:55,400
crazy crossing. 
So. 

1704
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,760
Oh. 
Fuck Josh, go and do something 

1705
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,840
more fun. 
You've got video to work on with

1706
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:01,480
Dave West. 
You've got the soundtrack ready.

1707
01:37:01,480 --> 01:37:04,840
Yeah. 
There you go. 

1708
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:05,920
No, thanks for your time. 
Don't. 

1709
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,720
All right. 
Thank you very much for joining.

1710
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,800
Yeah, I appreciate it. 
No, that's a super fun and nice 

1711
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,320
to kind of step back in the 
foreign world a little bit and 

1712
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:17,240
talk about new points. 
Yeah. 

1713
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:20,800
Cool. 
All right, well, fake goodbyes. 

1714
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:24,360
Yeah. 
Hopefully we'll see you in a, in

1715
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,960
Hood River maybe, or somewhere. 
But hopefully we see you 

1716
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:27,520
somewhere. 
Yeah. 

1717
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:33,680
Yeah, I don't if you don't know 
my plan on what was that? 

1718
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:38,240
See if you've got a movie to 
release by then, because we're 

1719
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,840
well up for doing, doing the 
audience. 

1720
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,520
What do we do? 
MC Yeah, that was. 

1721
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:45,760
That was great. 
You guys absolutely saved the 

1722
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:46,440
day on that. 
Really fun. 

1723
01:37:46,440 --> 01:37:48,480
Are we still? 
Recording here. 

1724
01:37:48,480 --> 01:37:49,040
Oh yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1725
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,400
Are we all there? 
To because we forgot at the 

1726
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:53,920
beginning, I. 
Have some stuff to say because 

1727
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:55,240
we forgot. 
At the beginning. 

1728
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:57,880
We've got to make sure he has 
the opportunity so. 

1729
01:37:57,880 --> 01:37:59,520
As a good send. 
Off Frederick. 

1730
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:02,600
All right. 
Thank you, Dane. 

1731
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:05,200
There he goes.