1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Have you ever wished your vegetable garden could be a 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 little less work and a little more rewarding? 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,240 Well, today we're digging into one of the smartest and tastiest 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,840 ways to grow food in Minnesota, edible perennial vegetables and 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,160 some of the wild perennial foods that nature loves to provide for 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,920 free. If you've ever stood in front of 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,760 your cart full of plans at the garden center thinking, OK, 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,640 which one is the thriller again, you're not alone. 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Because somewhere along the way, container gardening turned into 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,480 casting a Broadway show. That one's the star, that one's 11 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:37,600 the backup dancer, and this one just hangs out the stage 12 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,560 dramatically. Today we're talking about the 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,000 plot method, our signature way of designing containers that 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,520 actually look like you knew what you were doing all along. 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Hello and welcome to the Pedal and Plot Pod, a seasonal plant 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,400 stories and garden tips podcast. Where are your hosts? 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,040 I'm Anissa. And I'm Eric. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,440 Like annual vegetables like tomatoes, beans or lettuce that 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,800 need to be planted every year, perennial vegetables come back 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,000 on their own season after season. 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,560 Plant them once, care for them well, and they'll be feeding you 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000 for years. And in Minnesota, where our 23 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,160 growing season is short and winters are long, perennial 24 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,600 vegetables can be especially valuable. 25 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,840 These Hardy plants wake up early in spring, often before annual 26 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,280 gardens are even ready to be planted. 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,080 They anchor the soil, support and create reliable harvests 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,640 with less yearly effort. And beyond the garden, Minnesota 29 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,360 Woodlands, meadows and hedgerows are filled with edible perennial 30 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,880 plants, many of which you can cultivate in your home garden, 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,880 too. Let's start with one of the most 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,880 well known perennial vegetables, asparagus. 33 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Asparagus is a fantastic crop for Minnesota gardeners. 34 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,360 Once established, an asparagus patch can produce for 15 to 20 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,400 years or more. The catch, though, is patient. 36 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,920 It takes about two to three years before you can harvest 37 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,240 much, but after that, every spring, you get those tender 38 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,320 shoots with very little effort. And after the third year, during 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,040 warm weather, you can check daily as the Spears grow so 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,440 rapidly. And after every harvest, the 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,600 plant grows into feathery bright green fronds that turn bright 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,960 yellow in the fall. It will definitely add texture 43 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 and beauty to your garden. Eric, do you grow asparagus or 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,160 have you seen it in the wild accidentally? 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,280 No, no, to both of those. I feel like, you know, the only 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,160 thing time I've seen asparagus is that you know, the garden 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,800 center when it's in the pot still. 48 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,840 I feel like only or it's on the grill already for me. 49 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Yeah, asparagus is one of those plants that will often escape 50 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,760 cultivation and jump out of the garden into the wild. 51 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,080 And so I've often gone foraging for wild asparagus. 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,960 But it's so fun to see it in the fall because if you're like 53 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,400 hiking through the woods, there'll suddenly be this like, 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,480 look what looks like a bright golden 3 foot high shrub that is 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,360 like a burning Bush. Like it's so bright and so fine. 56 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,680 Like it's feathery and really fine textured. 57 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,080 It's so pretty. Yeah. 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Another classic is rhubarb. Rhubarb is one of the toughest 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,560 edible perennials you can grow. It shrugs off harsh winters and 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,840 can thrive for decades in the same place. 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,160 Those red stalks are one of the earliest spring harvests, 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,200 perfect for pies, sauces and preserves. 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,040 Just remember, though, only the stalks are edible. 64 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,600 The leaves are toxic and should not be eaten. 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Eric, I know we were talking earlier about how fun it is to 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,160 see the little rhubarb brains come up because it's one of the 67 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,200 first plants you can see come out of the ground. 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,560 Yes, I know. Super cool, I think. 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Yeah. Yeah, and it's getting to be 70 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,960 about ready to eat now. They're still small, but 71 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,120 technically ready to eat. Do you have a favorite way of 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,480 eating rhubarb? Yeah, I mean, ever since I grew 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,280 up, I feel like jam was my favorite because I feel like I'd 74 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,920 have it every morning on toast, which is always enjoyable. 75 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,200 And then some pies, I feel like, or bars, as we would obviously 76 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,720 have here in Minnesota. Yeah, I feel like it's a 77 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,160 classic. In my family it was always pies 78 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,320 and crumbles. So my mom, my grandma, my 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,880 sister, they are all pie makers. And so that was like my great 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,440 grandmother. And so rhubarb pie was always a 81 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,160 really popular one. Me personally, I'm not a Baker, 82 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,400 but I do like making jam. So I like making rhubarb jam and 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,000 I like making it with brown sugar instead of white sugar. 84 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,760 So I has a little bit more of a pie taste to it. 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Yeah. Yummy. 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,920 Yeah, Yum. And then, of course, we have our 87 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,960 alliums. Chives are one of the most 88 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,480 popular perennial vegetables that people have in their 89 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,280 gardens. And there's also walking onions, 90 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:57,680 which are Hardy onions that produce little bulbs at the top 91 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,160 of their stalks. And when the stalks bend over, 92 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:04,080 the bulbous roots begin to grow in a new place, so the plant 93 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,520 walks through the garden overtime. 94 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,400 We have our native wild onions in Minnesota, Allium stilette, 95 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,800 the Prairie onion, and allium sternum, the nodding wild onion. 96 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,480 Nodding Wild Onion actually volunteered in my garden, so I 97 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,280 got that little gift, probably from a neighbor, so that's fun. 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Very fun. As I say, the only ones I have 99 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,480 of that are just regular chives, which I love. 100 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,600 Yeah, I mean 1-1 to have as like a herb or whatever to use. 101 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,800 But also I feel like I think it's pretty. 102 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,600 I don't know, I like that it adds that texture into the 103 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,520 garden. So you know me, I feel like 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,400 anything I'm going to have that's like edible or whatever 105 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,680 has to also be like pretty it. Also has to look good. 106 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Yeah, yeah, all alliums are edible, but a lot of people only 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,880 use them ornamentally, like those big Millennium alliums and 108 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,200 stuff like that. Yes, yeah, absolutely. 109 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,520 I've even seen and have thought about creating a hedge of chive, 110 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,080 which I think would be really cool. 111 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 I've seen it before in someone else's garden and it actually 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,200 looked really good and you can easily trim it. 113 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,240 You know what I mean? As well as needed. 114 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:16,160 Maybe once in the in the season, it grows back so quickly, so 115 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,280 well, that's. A great idea. 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Yeah, every part of the allium is edible, so you can eat the 117 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,400 bulbs, the stocks and the flowers. 118 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,840 So if you ever want to add a fun little pom pom element to your 119 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,840 salad, you can throw the flowers on as well. 120 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,720 And then there are sun chokes, also called Jerusalem 121 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,120 artichokes. These tall sunflower relatives 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,400 produce edible tubers underground with a nutty, sweet 123 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,760 flavor. They're productive, hearty and 124 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,960 thrive in Minnesota, but they spread aggressively, so plant 125 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,800 them where they have lots of room. 126 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:50,960 And one that I have a personal love hate relationship with is 127 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,640 horseradish. I went a little buckwild 128 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,240 planting horseradish in my yard back in the day. 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,640 And maybe you shouldn't have planted it everywhere because 130 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,920 once you have horseradish, you will always have of horseradish. 131 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,400 It is very hard to get rid of. But also all of the parts of 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,360 horseradish are edible. The leaves are kind of like a 133 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,800 spicy green kale. And it's really fun to make your 134 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,400 own horseradish sauce or wasabi. Did you know that most wasabi 135 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,040 you get in restaurants is made out of horseradish mustard and 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 green dye? That real wasabi is actually 137 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,040 really difficult to cultivate and pretty. 138 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,760 Expensive. I mean, I knew it was made of 139 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,400 that, but I didn't know like the expense of it and how much it 140 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,440 cost to actually create. Yeah, I think I've only had real 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,200 wasabi once, and it was about $25 for a hefty tablespoon of 142 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,080 it. Yeah, so DIY your wasabi, folks. 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 And there are a bunch of perennial herbs. 144 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,080 Sorel is 1. It has lemony leaves that emerge 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,760 early in spring, often before the rest of the garden has woken 146 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,120 up. That bright tartness brings life 147 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:09,160 to soups, salads and sauces at a time when fresh greens are 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600 pretty scarce. Lovage is another cold Hardy 149 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,400 perennial. It tastes like bold celery, 150 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,960 grows tall and dramatic, and provides flavorful leaves, stems 151 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,040 and seeds Year after year. Both use and ornamental. 152 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,880 I feel like you would have maybe lovage in your garden because it 153 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,760 has that celery stock look. Yeah, I have grown it just 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,400 actually just in my vegetable garden alongside all my salad 155 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,760 greens and other things before. Yeah. 156 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:40,200 So yeah, yeah, it was pretty. Paragon will also grow into like 157 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,960 a 2 foot high shrub in Minnesota, which I learned on 158 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,080 accident because I did not think it was a perennial, but now I 159 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,720 have a tarragon shrub so that's fun. 160 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:50,680 Kind of fun. I don't know. 161 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,040 I think that's fun. Yeah. 162 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,840 There's somewhere you didn't want it to be. 163 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Right. I did move it when I when I 164 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,160 realized what was happening. I know there's probably so many 165 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,880 other herbs. Are there any off the top of 166 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,240 your head that I missed? There's so many herbs and things 167 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,400 that we could add to that, but. Yeah, I mean, I usually get my 168 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,600 time to come back every year. I I, I feel like I have to put 169 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,040 in a little bit in a slight protective spot. 170 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,680 But usually that comes back every year for me, which I love. 171 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,000 I feel like I have a lemon thyme that's been back every the last 172 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,040 five years or so now. Yeah, I love that. 173 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,080 I also, well this isn't perennial, but I also keep like 174 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,920 Rosemary in a pot. So like a 20 inch pot that I 175 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,800 bring in and out, but I have Rosemary all year long. 176 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,040 Yeah, my parents used to have a really big one that they did the 177 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,080 same thing. Now let's step beyond the garden 178 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,960 fence and into the woods where one of spring's most celebrated 179 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,360 wild foods appears. Fiddleheads. 180 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,600 Fiddleheads are the tightly coiled young fronds of certain 181 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,840 ferns, especially ostrich ferns. For a brief moment in spring, 182 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,680 before the Fern unfurls, the curled shoots can be harvested 183 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:06,960 and cooked or pickled. Their flavor is often described 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,560 as a cross between asparagus and green beans, with a fresh 185 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,880 woodland taste that feels like the very essence of spring. 186 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Foraging fiddleheads is a seasonal ritual for many people 187 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,080 in northern climates, a celebration of the first wild 188 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,160 green growth after winter. But many people also have 189 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,720 ostrich ferns in their yard. I know I do, and fiddleheads are 190 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,760 one of my favorite perennial vegetables to harvest from my 191 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,640 yard. In fact, I need to thin mine 192 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,040 out, so if anybody wants some, hit me up. 193 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,520 But caution matters here. Not all Fern fiddleheads are 194 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,640 edible, and some can be toxic, so proper identification is 195 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,240 essential. Another beloved Minnesota Wild 196 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,600 perennial is ramps, or wild leeks. 197 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,880 Ramps emerge in shady Woodlands in the spring, sending up tender 198 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,360 green leaves with a pungent onion garlic aroma. 199 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,320 They are treasured by foragers and chefs alike, but because 200 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,560 they grow slowly, overharvesting can wipe out local populations. 201 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,920 And that's been a huge issue around here. 202 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,680 And many people are working at educating people about this, and 203 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:16,960 some people are even cultivating them at home to then reintroduce 204 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,320 them into their wild habitats. Wow. 205 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,560 Interesting. Yeah. 206 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:23,640 So cultivating ramps at home is going to be a more sustainable 207 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,680 way to enjoy them. Wild violets are another 208 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,400 overlooked edible perennial. These tiny spring flowers spread 209 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,640 through lawns and woodland edges, returning every year with 210 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,840 cheerful purple blooms. But the flowers and leaves are 211 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,520 edible. The flowers can be candied or 212 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:43,280 added to salads or made into jam, while the leaves can be 213 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,840 eaten fresh or cooked. They're delicate, beautiful, and 214 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,760 completely edible, a reminder that food can be hiding in plain 215 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,760 sight. In fact, there are many edible 216 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,760 perennial flowers that can be tossed into salads or made into 217 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,200 jellies or fried up into fritters. 218 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,680 Dandelion. All parts of the dandelion are 219 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,960 edible. Steamed with wild geranium. 220 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Let's see, there's also Maple Flowers Day. 221 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,160 Lovely flowers, peonies, Columbine, chamomile B bong and 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,240 assistive calendula, echinacea. The list goes on. 223 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Wow, that was a list. Yeah, and I didn't even name 224 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,720 them all. And don't even get me started on 225 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,600 tea. I'll have to do a whole other 226 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,880 podcast about. Tea. 227 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,520 Agreed. Yes, we need to have a tea 228 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,640 conversation. Spill the tea, please. 229 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,960 Yes, and of course this is not an exhaustive list by any means, 230 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,600 but I want to end with one of my favorite ones. 231 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,840 Any guesses on what it might be, Eric? 232 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,040 I would have thought it would have been the fiddlehead ferns, 233 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,160 but no, I don't know. It's stingy nettles. 234 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,960 It's. Stingy nettles lady stung. 235 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,640 I've been stung, yes. Which I also grow in my yard. 10 236 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,880 out of 10 would recommend. Stinging nettle might look like 237 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,160 an unfriendly plant at first, but once cooked it becomes a 238 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,600 nutritious green rich in minerals and flavor. 239 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,600 You just need to either dry it out or cook it to neutralize its 240 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,840 stinging hairs, So you may want to wear gloves when harvesting 241 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,600 it. But stinky nettle is a nutrient 242 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:18,000 dense superfood containing more protein than many other green 243 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,800 vegetables. It is high in vitamins, AC and 244 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,920 K, as well as B vitamins, and it is a rich source of calcium, 245 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,320 iron, magnesium and potassium. It's high in antioxidants, 246 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,160 contains phylophenols, ferritinoids, flavonoids that 247 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,520 all protects cells from damage caused by free radicals, and it 248 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,800 is considered very high in protein. 249 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,600 For a leafy green with dried leaves containing 30 to 40% 250 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,800 protein, suppressing many other vegetables and even some meats 251 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,400 by weight. It provides a complete protein 252 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,000 source containing all nine essential amino acids, making it 253 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,600 one of the most nutrient dense perennial wild foods in 254 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,960 Minnesota. Name a better plant, Eric. 255 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,440 You can't. Sticky milk for the win. 256 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,080 I feel like you just did a whole speech for it, you know, Like if 257 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,760 it didn't win the election, it definitely just did. 258 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,840 Yep, and they're coming up right now. 259 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,400 They're about four or five inches right now, so you can go 260 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,840 find them. They're ready. 261 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:25,600 Nettles can be used like spinach in soups, pestos, or sautees. 262 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,640 One of my favorite things to make with them is Hispanicapita. 263 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,880 Basically any recipe you would use spinach in, you can use 264 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,520 stinging nettles and it is way more filling because it is so 265 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,800 high in protein. And of course, I also really 266 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,040 like making it into tea. Perennial vegetables and foraged 267 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,160 foods invite us to think beyond one season. 268 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,480 Instead of planting and harvesting in a single cycle, 269 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,880 they teach patience, stewardship and attention. 270 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,120 They remind us that abundance can be built over time. 271 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,520 And in Minnesota, where the seeds are dramatic and winter 272 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,080 feels endless, those first returning greens, whether 273 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,840 asparagus Spears in the garden or fiddleheads in the forest, 274 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,920 carry a kind of promise. A promise that food returns and 275 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,920 that the landscape provides if we care for it. 276 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,080 All right, so today we're talking about garden design and 277 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,280 we're going to talk about a method that's a little more 278 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,360 intuitive, a little more design forward, and honestly, like a 279 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,560 lot more fun. We're going to talk about the 280 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,160 plot method for creating your container designs. 281 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:48,160 So plot PLOT stands for pot layers, outlook and texture. 282 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,520 And this is how we like to design containers from like the 283 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,640 ground UO before you even think about plants, your container is 284 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,200 doing a lot of the heavy lifting in design. 285 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,760 And so the size, the shape, the placement, if you think about 286 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,440 where is this going to be placed by my front door on a patio, out 287 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,120 in the blazing sun, in the shady area, all of that matters. 288 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,400 And your pot really sets the stage before a single plant even 289 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,880 goes in it, right? And he said, do you do container 290 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 gardening or do container design? 291 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,320 I don't. Really do much besides like the 292 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,920 big flower troughs and pots in front of my house and those they 293 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,200 usually theme just in like red, pink and Peach begonias with 294 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,400 some kind of green that cascades over the side. 295 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,880 Usually coleus, sometimes other things. 296 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Yeah, yeah. And then I mean, pots can be 297 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,560 anywhere. I use one as like a focal point 298 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,400 in the garden. So it's not traditionally, if 299 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,720 you will like on a patio or front door entrance situation. 300 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,760 I also have them there as well and they have a really large 301 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,760 window boxes and you sick and attest to. 302 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,560 So I have lots of containers that I use, but I think the 303 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,760 biggest thing I've learned over the years is to really think 304 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 critically of like the container you're going to use. 305 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,480 I think one from aesthetic standpoint of like, does this 306 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,119 container fit within my garden or connect to my home or style? 307 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,319 And then I think the biggest thing is size. 308 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:21,040 And I get it because you go to go buy a pot that you want to 309 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,040 crate in and you might be like, oh, I don't know, I don't want 310 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,160 to spring the extra $100 for this really big pot. 311 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,880 Like that's expensive. I'm just going to go with this 312 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,560 one. But the reality is you might be 313 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,240 a little disappointed because that pot may really not fill the 314 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,320 space that you're planning to put in it. 315 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,880 So if it's like a full 10 feet of open space that just feels 316 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,200 like the pot should go here, You really need to think that the 317 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,320 pot needs to take up at least 1/3 of that total space. 318 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,280 Think like the vertical or width space of that kind of gives you 319 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,440 an idea of like what kind of pot you might need. 320 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,760 And not to say there are places for tiny pots or medium sized 321 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,040 pots, but you do have to take a little bit into perspective the 322 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,960 scale, right? And to make it feel like it's 323 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,600 substantial enough to be there and hold its ground. 324 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,480 And then obviously color matters because you have to think what 325 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,960 color is this pot and how does it, you know, work with the 326 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,080 types of plantings I may put in there or work with the 327 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,560 surrounding area? I've actually made this mistake. 328 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 I thought I had really great pots and for whatever reason, I 329 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,960 chose all green pots that I was putting throughout my garden. 330 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,600 And I was like, well, that was silly, Eric. 331 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Like I can't even see the pots. They just blend in with all the 332 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:36,200 other green, right? So learned a lesson. 333 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,960 And so now all my pots have more of a coppery rusty theme because 334 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,720 that pops within my garden, but it also marries with the other 335 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,440 colors that are happening, you know, on my patio or colors on 336 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,800 my home. Next up is L for layers. 337 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,160 So think height, mid layer, edge, trail. 338 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,040 And so it's about creating movement and balance. 339 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,080 So turning your container as you plant it is also important. 340 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,680 So if it's viewed from many angles, you have to consider how 341 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,800 you're using that space up. If it's up against a wall, then 342 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,160 it might be very straight on or in a corner. 343 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,160 So I think it's interesting to think of like how layers need to 344 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,560 represent themselves. And so not every container needs 345 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,160 a thriller. Sometimes the drama is 346 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,680 restrained, right? So you can have maybe one tall 347 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:33,000 item and then maybe it's just like low edge, like trailers on 348 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,120 the bottom. Like maybe you have so much else 349 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,760 going around around this pot that you need a little more 350 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:43,000 restraint, less chaos happening. But like, simplicity is also 351 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,320 important so you don't have to follow a rule of, you know, it 352 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,120 needs to have a thriller, a filler and a Spiller always. 353 00:19:50,120 --> 00:19:52,400 And actually might look better if you restrained. 354 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,880 And maybe you just have something with tall height and 355 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,520 something that just spills over the edges. 356 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,600 That might be the planter itself. 357 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,880 And you see, you talked a little bit about what you plant in your 358 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,480 containers and things in the front, but have you ever planted 359 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,280 something like huge or high in those containers before? 360 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,320 Yes, one time I decided to put Cosmos in there. 361 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,560 A big mistake. I do not go. 362 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,640 I thought it would be just like, really fun. 363 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,760 It looked terrible. Oh. 364 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,880 No. Maybe it needed a little friend 365 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,280 to hold it up. Yeah, I. 366 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,200 Tried to sort of stake it and then it just, you know, never 367 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,080 again. I do like to layer because 368 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,760 they're right up against the house. 369 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,680 I put the taller ones in the back row and then the medium row 370 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,080 and then the short row in the front. 371 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,200 Kind of a situation, right? Yeah. 372 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Yeah, I always like to think of like what's my, if I have a 373 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,800 large pot, like what is the big element in that pot that maybe 374 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,600 is like, it doesn't have to be a thriller, but it could just be 375 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,400 something that holds the ground. So like I've used small 376 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,160 evergreens. I feel like I've done vining 377 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,840 pieces. So if you really create a little 378 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,040 trellis in that and have something vining up, Mandavila 379 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,360 is great to do that, obviously as an annual, but I also love 380 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,560 adding perennials. So many times we think just 381 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,960 annuals, but perennials are great to use. 382 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,440 And then after you're done with the container for the season, 383 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,160 they can go into your landscape and you just added some new 384 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,960 plants. So that's maybe a great way to 385 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,360 like get double your money out of it. 386 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,760 I've also done house plants, so I know there's tropicals, but 387 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,840 sometimes we don't always think of literally like the house 388 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:31,160 plants like philodendrons or hoyas or other things that you 389 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,720 could utilize. And I found some really cool 390 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,360 ways to kind of utilize large house plants. 391 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:40,120 Even taking some of the ones I've kept inside my home and 392 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:44,280 then replanting them in this container for the summer has 393 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,760 worked out well. That's a great. 394 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,840 Idea. I also really like the delicate 395 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,640 way that curly Willow functions as a tall piece. 396 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,720 Like, yeah, A. Little understated. 397 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,080 But really elegant looking, yeah. 398 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,680 You make a really good point. It doesn't have to be an actual 399 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,040 plant either, right? Like you could just use the 400 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,440 twigs, you could use an obelisk structure, you know what I mean? 401 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,160 That just gives you height. OK, we're on the OO is for 402 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,480 Outlook or kind of like our color story. 403 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,520 So this is honestly probably where the magic happens. 404 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,840 And this is your color story, your mood, your vibe, right? 405 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,320 We're thinking about are we doing soft and romantic, bold 406 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,320 and tropical, high contrast and modern? 407 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,200 Like what is kind of my mood story theme here that I'm 408 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,760 putting together? And it is, it really is, you 409 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,440 know, and I get inspiration in so many different ways. 410 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,560 I, I change it up, you know, year over year where some years 411 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:47,080 I'm feeling hot and spicy and other times I'm feeling like 412 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,560 cool and mellow, right? I feel like I. 413 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,920 Never know what to expect from your containers because they're 414 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,960 always like a totally different vibe every year, which is I 415 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,440 love. That's awesome, yeah. 416 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,680 And I think this is probably where some people maybe miss a 417 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320 beat a little bit is like, they have actually like color 418 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,640 problems. And I think some of it's because 419 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,360 you didn't come in with a plan and a a color story to start 420 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:13,000 with. So you show up the garden center 421 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,360 and you're like, that looks cool. 422 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,360 And then you're like, oh shoot, now I was anticipating, you 423 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:22,920 know, something really like soft and Pasteli, but now I've got 424 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,040 this like bold Canna Lily or something like that that's like 425 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280 screaming for more attention. And so I feel like it's 426 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,120 important to pick like 2 to three main colors and like stick 427 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,520 to them. Too many colors or visual chaos 428 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:39,360 and, and just not the good kind, right? 429 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,320 And so this is not the time to say I I just loved all of them. 430 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,920 That's how we end up with a container that looks like a 431 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040 clearance rack, right? So I know like this year, I feel 432 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,720 like in more of my front containers, I'm thinking more of 433 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,040 this like limey yellow, white, pastely blue, like soft color. 434 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,920 Like it's kind of like this Little Mix of just like 435 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,600 softness, but like kind of staying thin these greens a 436 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,360 little bit and not being too over the top in bright oranges 437 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,720 or Reds or things that maybe I've used in the past. 438 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,520 Subtle. Subtle. 439 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,800 Yes, I have the party in the back, right, like on my patio 440 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,760 that's going to be bright and loud, but in the front of the 441 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:27,240 house I'm in being inviting. All right, so then the last one 442 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,160 T is for texture. And you say, I know, you know, I 443 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,000 love some good texture, if you like, in all my designs, I'm 444 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,640 constantly doing that, and probably in my own garden. 445 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,920 Yeah, you have a. Really good eye for texture for 446 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,960 sure. Yeah, I. 447 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,360 Really like to, you know, play and contrast with, you know, 448 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:47,880 different, you know, bold leaves versus fine foliage, you know, 449 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,000 that soft versus structured, matte versus glossy. 450 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,440 You kind of almost have to take the mindset of eliminate the 451 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,000 flower and just, you know, the foliage in itself or the 452 00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,920 structure of that plant in itself. 453 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,280 Like how does that hold up? If you were to put them 454 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,680 together, can you distinguish one from the other or do they 455 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,760 kind of just meld all together and you'd only have the flowers 456 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,480 that distinguish it? And I think that's an important 457 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,480 difference. Sometimes your flowers can like 458 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,920 slow down in the summer months and then you're really kind of 459 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,480 left with foliage. So having that texture and that 460 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,760 richness just really helps add like another level, I feel like 461 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,280 to a container that sometimes we forget about. 462 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,240 So if everything again is like the same size and leaf shape, 463 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,640 your container is really going to kind of feel kind of flat no 464 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,160 matter how pretty the flowers are. 465 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,280 And textures really that basically the difference between 466 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:44,000 like a good outfit and one where people stop and look at you and 467 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,800 say, Oh my God, where did you get that right? 468 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Are you a bold texture person in in some of the things that you 469 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,960 plant Anissa you know to be. Honest texture isn't my first go 470 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,600 to thought so I feel like probably because listening to 471 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,800 you talk about your gardens more is kind of something I've been 472 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,000 more recently thinking more about and having those layers of 473 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,240 texture. But yeah, having something 474 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,040 that's feathery next to something that's broad Leafs 475 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,120 because it breaks up the space when you're looking at it. 476 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,320 I mean, I think I definitely error on the side of think 477 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,920 considering color first, right? But texture is so important as 478 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,240 well. Yeah, I mean. 479 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,880 I love a good Carricks. You can throw a little Carricks 480 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,080 into a container, like, I'm in love, right? 481 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560 Let it spill over the edge. Let it just, like, be spidery or 482 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:33,800 whatever. Like, yeah. 483 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Yeah, that's a fun texture. So let's talk about kind of the 484 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,040 big shift here. So we're talk about thriller 485 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,560 filler Spiller, which is a great starting point, right? 486 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,360 It really is. But it can also kind of box 487 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:54,080 people in and makes you think I need one of each check the box, 488 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,880 right? Done. 489 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:59,040 And so the plot method is really thinking of it starts with the 490 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,360 container, not the plant. It focuses on design principles, 491 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,920 not just the plant rules and kind of gives you flexibility 492 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720 instead of like rules that you have to follow. 493 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,160 So you have, you can have multiple thrillers, you can have 494 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,160 no spillers and you can break the rules and still end up with 495 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,880 something that's beautiful. So we're not firing thriller 496 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,560 filler, Spiller, we're just giving it a promotion into 497 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,760 something more sophisticated. So when you're standing in the 498 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,640 garden center this spring, cart filling up quickly, no plan 499 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,520 insight, just remember, PLOT. Pick your pot first, build your 500 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,200 layers, choose your outlook, mix your textures, and suddenly it 501 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:49,160 all comes together. Anissa, do we have a garden 502 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,880 question today? Well, yes we do. 503 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:56,600 Let me see here, OK? Jasper writes in and asks. 504 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,640 I get a ton of volunteer Elm trees in my yard. 505 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,160 I try to pull them up when they're young, but sometimes the 506 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,440 risk gets so long I can't get them out and it just returns. 507 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,960 How can I get them under control? 508 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,120 Oh my God, I feel. Like I mean, it's always 509 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,240 frustrating when you when you have them. 510 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600 I feel like my first impression is like, I would never allow it 511 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,560 to happen in the 1st place, but as soon as I see anything, I'm 512 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,480 like, I'm ripping those things out, right? 513 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,280 Because you know what's going to happen. 514 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,480 Yeah, so. Prevention is the best medicine 515 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,280 with weed trees, but I know in my gardens they they get away 516 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,360 from me and I when I'm like trying to clean up a space, 517 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,280 sometimes I do the big mistake. This is the worst mistake of 518 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,360 just cutting them with my pruners so they go away, which 519 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,320 actually encourages growth. It does. 520 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,400 That's. A great thing to help for 521 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,360 people, yeah. So that now that weed tree is 522 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,480 studying them, like fight for survival, I'm putting all my 523 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,320 energy into growing back. And you know, I have found 524 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,000 sometimes when they're too big to pull with my hands, I'll get 525 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,160 out like pliers and like wrap them around pliers and then get 526 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,000 that extra leverage to pull it out. 527 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,560 But then I've also, this particularly happened, I think 528 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,880 in my Blvd. where they got so sick and gnarly that nothing I 529 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,960 was doing could work. I couldn't dig them out with a 530 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,320 shovel because they were too close to other things that I 531 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,160 would have disturbed. And so I ended up putting like I 532 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,160 cut some of a black garbage bag and then wrapped the top of it 533 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,440 with that black garbage bag and secured it with like, I don't 534 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,880 know what I did if I tied it somehow and then buried it and 535 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400 so basically smothering it to death. 536 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,120 And that worked pretty well when it when they just got so big I 537 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,680 couldn't get the root out anymore. 538 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440 That worked pretty well. I know I've. 539 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,560 Done because my neighbor had some of those growing up against 540 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,640 the house, which is never great, right? 541 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240 And I know they cut them all down and then obviously it 542 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,440 pushed new growth to just keep going. 543 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,040 And I it's not a obvious ideal for everyone, but I mean, in 544 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,760 that case, like the stump was painted with like a concentrated 545 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,560 herbicide that helps kill the plant as some like, I feel like 546 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,800 there's some other things by Bonnide that they have that I 547 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,760 believe are organic to use but also will kill like suckers. 548 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,120 And I'm curious if that would work at all in that space too. 549 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,440 But I feel like in some cases you have to be extreme or you 550 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,680 end up hiring someone to come out and literally dig it out, 551 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920 you know, and get all the roots and everything out of it. 552 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Because I get sometimes if you've just bought a new home 553 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,080 and that's, this is what you've inherited and it's already like 554 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,400 established itself too, which is hard. 555 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,680 Yeah. For sure. 556 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400 Yeah, yeah. So get after it early if you 557 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,080 can. If not, you're definitely going 558 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,400 to take some other measures. But at least I like the ones 559 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,360 that you shared, as well as some other ways that might work that 560 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680 maybe seem a little less invasive with herbicides and 561 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,280 things too. Stitching time saves 9. 562 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,000 If you have a gardening question you'd like us to answer, please 563 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,200 write to us at pedalandplot@gmail.com. 564 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,240 And if you enjoyed this episode, please share it with someone you 565 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,800 know and click the follow button to hear our next episode as 566 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,520 Garden. 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