1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 How do you respond to children and teenagers who identify as 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,440 part of the LGBTQ plus community? 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,720 What do I do if my kid comes home from school and he's 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:09,200 identifying that way? Yeah. 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,920 What do you think causes homosexual desires to originate? 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Should I attend my son or my friend's gate wedding? 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:23,480 That is a very common question. Hey guys, welcome back to the 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,120 Lila Rose Podcast. Today we're going to have back 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,320 on Kim Zember, my friend who is phenomenal. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,000 She was here before talking about her amazing transformation 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,880 coming out of the LGBT lifestyle. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,520 Today we're going to go more into questions that the audience 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,120 has and about LGBT related issues, the rainbow revival. 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,520 We're going to talk about unforgotten faces, her ministry 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,000 in Ethiopia and just answer some of your toughest questions. 16 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,400 So it's going to be great. I hope you'll enjoy it. 17 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:51,160 Today we've got our great sponsors. 18 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:53,280 We actually have a new sponsor that I'm really excited about, 19 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,960 it's Carly Jean Los Angeles. 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It's it's so so Kim Zember, for 51 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,280 folks that didn't get to listen to the first one or just to kind 52 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,080 of reintroduce you, tell us a little bit about who is Kim 53 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Zember and your background. And I want to ask specifically 54 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:31,040 about these amazing ministries you're a founder of and 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,280 involved. With yeah I'm still being taught 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,720 who I am so that is but there's a lot that that the Lord's had 57 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,920 me doing so I did come out of the LGBT community dated women 58 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:48,680 for years also did missions work in Ethiopia have a mission in 59 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Ethiopia for the last 17 years. Love the younger generation have 60 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,440 always felt kind of drawn to Gen. 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Z and just to kind of pour into the generations behind and just 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,720 wanting to see like the passion come forth, like a real love for 63 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,440 Jesus. Because like for me growing up, 64 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,600 I feel like it was kind of just a lot of rules that I was trying 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:13,840 to follow. And so I think when I really 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,560 tasted and experienced Jesus in a like personal and profound 67 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,880 way, there was like a hunger of like, I want others to 68 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,520 experience him. Like, and then the rules and all 69 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,040 that all like fall into place. So yeah, I don't know who I 70 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,200 know. I'm a beloved daughter. 71 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,320 I've learned that recently. And so all the other kind of 72 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,960 titles and and things are all a part of it, but really like the 73 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,480 rootedness in just being a beloved daughter and learning 74 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,560 what that is like experientially, not just words. 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,000 So yeah, it's life changing when you actually experience what it 76 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,480 means to be a daughter or a son of God. 77 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,640 Yeah, and it's like not exhausting to try to be 78 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,040 something, right? Like just to receive an identity 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,200 is huge. It's it's changed my life in the 80 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:03,280 sense of like there's just not as much much pressure to perform 81 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,520 or pressure to impress, but you should kind of get to rest in 82 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,960 what Jesus has done and, and let him guide you. 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,560 So it's been a gift. In all your ministry, and I want 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,120 to get to the specific ministries, but in your ministry 85 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,720 time, because I'm thinking about the people that I've met over 86 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,600 the years. And when you talk about being a 87 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,960 child of God with you get to that, have that conversation. 88 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,160 How many people do you do you encounter who you know deeply 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,280 may be hungering for that, but they never have had that moment 90 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:34,160 of that just eternal peace in their soul that they are loved 91 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,320 by a Father? Yeah, sadly, I feel like with 92 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,400 how much, you know, I'm, I'm blessed to be able to go out and 93 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,000 share, you know, not only testimony, but the testimony of 94 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,840 Christ, right. And then how that's reflected in 95 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,920 my life. And I just find a lot of people 96 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,160 in that place of like just searching for their identity 97 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,440 and, and I think sometimes even more than searching for it, 98 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,840 trying to earn it, even in the Christian circles, like in our 99 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:05,760 Catholic circles and and non Catholic circles, just a lot of 100 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,360 striving, earning and deserving and feeling like it's kind of 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,000 conditional, right? When they do good, you know, 102 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,440 they're, they're now a beloved child of God. 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,920 But when they kind of fail or falter, it's like, you know, 104 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,360 they got to start over. And so it's been really kind of 105 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,120 it, it kind of pricks my own heart just to see how many 106 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,160 people, like I'm not the only one that struggled with with 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:29,600 this. And I think even outside of 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,600 Christian circles, like I get emails and messages all the time 109 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,440 from people that are like, I've been struggling with my identity 110 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,720 even outside of sexuality, right? 111 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,480 And so I think it's like an epidemic, to be honest, just in 112 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,720 our world. Like we were created to be 113 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,840 someone. And I think we've all tried to 114 00:05:45,840 --> 00:05:48,920 become that instead of receive that from God. 115 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,240 So yeah, I see it a lot for sure. 116 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,840 I saw a survey last year that said that I think it was one in 117 00:05:54,840 --> 00:06:00,040 four evangelical millennials identify. 118 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:03,760 They feel like their identity is the LGBTQ. 119 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,080 Yeah. Plus label. 120 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,600 Yeah, I would, I would say that that number is probably growing. 121 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,360 I don't want to like speak that over the generation, but unless 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:19,880 a unless a more rooted identity is presented, I think that's 123 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,240 what we do. Like if we don't know who we 124 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,000 are, we're going to go figure it out for ourselves. 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,320 And so you identify with your sexual desires, you identify 126 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,400 with the career you have, whatever it be. 127 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,880 And so but we were created to be seen. 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,480 We really were. And I think that's where 129 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,360 sometimes in the church, it's, it's hard because we, you know, 130 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,160 we want this life of humility, but we were created to be seen, 131 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,240 not so that we could have glory, but so God can be glorified 132 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,920 through us. And so I just, I don't know, I, 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,600 there's such a sensitivity in my heart for this generation and, 134 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,360 and for those within the LGBT community that they're like, 135 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,200 this is who I am. And to me, I'm the only thing I 136 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,160 can think is then you probably just haven't seen something 137 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,000 better, right. And so like how how well is the 138 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,120 church doing holding before for them this beautiful thing that 139 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,840 that they can receive and the world actually can't take from 140 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,800 them? And you don't have to like fight 141 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,480 for it and like defend, you know, you can just rest in it. 142 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,560 And so to me, it, it actually opens a place of compassion and 143 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,760 like a desire to want to hold this before them as like, hey, I 144 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,680 don't know what your life is. I haven't walked in your shoes. 145 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,960 But here's my story and here's what God showed me and what I 146 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,080 received and what I can rest in now. 147 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,360 So. We talked about this on the 148 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,320 first podcast we did a several months ago, but we didn't 149 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,560 actually talk about something I want to make sure we cover, 150 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,120 which is your book Restless Heart, which is that story of 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,960 seeking that ultimate rest of identity on God and what 152 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,240 attracted you to be part of that LGBT world? 153 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,200 And then what changed for you, You know, how you found 154 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,120 ultimately your trade identity and God. 155 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,560 We talked a lot about kind of the lead up and then we talked 156 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 about the beautiful message you shared you for everyone that our 157 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,600 identity is ultimately in God, but we didn't talk about those 158 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 moments of change for you. So I wanted to start there 159 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,600 because I even had some people saying like this is so powerful 160 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:16,520 and they wanted to read your book. 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,080 And I think some got your book, but there was like, what was the 162 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,000 what was the moment? I think it was clear why you 163 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,560 changed in the end, like God's love, but what were those events 164 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,440 in your life? So. 165 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Yeah, I mean, there's a few, and I've said this, I actually just 166 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,600 did an interview not too long ago. 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,840 I said, honestly, I think the first event was probably my 168 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,600 baptism. I don't have a grid for when 169 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,840 that was because I was a little, you know, infant, but I believe 170 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360 I did become a child of God at that point. 171 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,560 And there was a grace that is not something you can earn, but 172 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:48,920 something you receive. And so I, I believe the Lord 173 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,440 like no matter how far I ran from him, he's always pursued 174 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,960 me. It's just, it's so evident 175 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,640 people that have read the book, they're like, wow, you really 176 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,480 ran. But he ran faster, like, and you 177 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,480 know, and so just that pursuit. But something that always stands 178 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,600 out to me was when I turned, I think I was like 23 and I was 179 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,480 selling real estate and just super successful dating this one 180 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,240 guy. He was a football player and so 181 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,920 kind of had all the outside things together. 182 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,320 But I just remember there was a point when he told me that he 183 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,400 loved me and I was struggling with my own sexuality. 184 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,480 So already that was hard. I really liked the guy. 185 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,360 I thought I knew he was a great guy, but now he's telling me he 186 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,000 loves me. He didn't care about all the 187 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,320 material stuff that I had and the success in real estate. 188 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,480 So I'm like, what does this man love? 189 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,080 And it just kind of set me on this journey of like, OK, why am 190 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,760 what? What's lovable in me? 191 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,600 And when I asked him why he loved me, he's like, you 192 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:50,920 actually need to ask God because I love your heart and I'm like, 193 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,480 what's my heart? And he's like, ask God. 194 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,640 And so that night I laid on my bed by myself and I'm like, God, 195 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,200 show me my heart. And the details are in the book. 196 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,720 But God revealed the desire that actually, I, I don't know if it 197 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,920 got buried, got kind of stolen covered. 198 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,120 I don't know, but it was to go to Africa. 199 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,880 And so that was massively profound, not only the 200 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,640 revelation of asking God, then hearing a response and being 201 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,120 like, Oh, you really do kind of like respond. 202 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,160 You talk back like and so I ended up moving to Ethiopia. 203 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:24,960 It was just amazing. So God events that that brought 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,040 me there and LED me there, but that was profound in my journey 205 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,680 with God and really a journey into my own heart. 206 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,040 It started knocking down a lot of false things that I believed 207 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,480 about myself, you know, that I had to be, you know, make a 208 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,120 certain amount of money growing up in, you know, San Diego and 209 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,600 just kind of an image thing. And being in Ethiopia, I'm like, 210 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,280 my goodness, these kids have nothing, but they have so much 211 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,240 more than I do. Like I wanted what they had, and 212 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,720 yet the world said they had nothing. 213 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,560 And so it just started getting to deeper levels of my heart. 214 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:02,400 And I don't know, the Lord just moved in ways that only he can. 215 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,360 And I realize I'm like, wait a minute, I'm going to go back to 216 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,960 California and just make a bunch of money while these kids are 217 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,280 like suffering. I was like, I could probably do 218 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,480 something here. And so I sold my house, sold my 219 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,000 car, everything I had moved to Ethiopia. 220 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,640 And that was transformational. That was like a yes, I think 221 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,480 Mother Teresa says like the call within a call, right? 222 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,760 And so there's been a lot of different calls. 223 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,320 So that was impactful for sure. And it's been 17 years. 224 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Ended up starting a nonprofit, had no grid for that, had no 225 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,760 desire for that. All he'd wanted to do was help 226 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,080 these kids that didn't have help. 227 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,760 There were little, little kids on the street, and God help me 228 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,200 to build something. That's where Unforgotten Faces 229 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,400 started. But I was still struggling with 230 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,160 my identity. I was still struggling with, I 231 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,840 would say, desires. When I would come back to the 232 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,800 States after living in Ethiopia to visit family, I remember 233 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:53,640 people would be like, oh, you're the missionary. 234 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,080 I'm like, no, no, like, I do missions, but no. 235 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,000 And so it was still like, I didn't know who I was, didn't 236 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,440 know the whole child of God thing. 237 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,560 Like, I'd heard that growing up. But I'm like, yeah, I got to 238 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,640 really do good to, like, keep that title. 239 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,280 And that's just too much. And I know I can't. 240 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,920 I honestly, I'll fail every time. 241 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,480 And so just this journey, but started dating women and 242 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,240 whatnot. And the book unpacks all the 243 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,280 details of that as well. And there was a lot of wrestles 244 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,720 there. There was a lot of hiding, a lot 245 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,560 of heartache, but it was October. 246 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:27,080 So there was the Ethiopia and then there was October 17th, 247 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,120 2014 that I will never forget. And is that is the night that I 248 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,600 said God, I am done being God. Like I'm messing my life up. 249 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,080 I'm messing other people's life up. 250 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,800 Like everything in my little wake, everybody's affected in a 251 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,040 negative way. And I got to experience my life 252 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,240 being a gift while I was in Ethiopia. 253 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,720 So I'm like, you didn't put me on this earth to like 'cause so 254 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,120 much turmoil and and hurt to myself and to others. 255 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,800 And so it was that night that I said, God you, I've, I've heard 256 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,200 you're good. I need you to show me like for 257 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,440 real, just tonight, whenever, but do it quick, like show me 258 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,720 that you're be you're better at being God that I am. 259 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,680 And and you know, I was in real estate. 260 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,200 So I was like, and I'm going to go on lease to own. 261 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,240 I'm like not all in yet. I'm like, but if you show me 262 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,480 that you are better at being God than I am, then you got me. 263 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,840 And I'm telling you Lila, every day since October 17th, 2014, he 264 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,040 has showed his faithfulness. Everything is one of the most 265 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,800 profound. I, I kind of consider that day 266 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,480 my birthday and it may be a strange way to to some, but it 267 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,160 is He marked me. I believe he marked me. 268 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,320 Or maybe I was willing to be marked finally. 269 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,600 And so Ethiopia was a marking October 17th, a marking and and 270 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,360 he's continued. I mean, my my side of the 271 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,720 journey has not been the most faithful, but his has and so and 272 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:55,600 then now leading me into another real profound one was called 273 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,160 into. I felt called into the 274 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,480 International House of Prayer in Atlanta to do an internship. 275 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,880 And that's where I really started learning about identity 276 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,840 as a beloved daughter and and really getting away from the 277 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,360 earnings, driving deserving and to rest in the finished work of 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,560 the cross, which now, of course involves our cooperation with 279 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:17,680 grace. It's not just like cool, just do 280 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,480 nothing now, like no, it's a love that stirs that you want to 281 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,960 give back. So those three things were 282 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 massively there's. So there's so much in between, 283 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,880 but those really had profound effect on my mind, on my heart, 284 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,080 on my, on my everything, to be honest. 285 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Our next sponsor is 7 Weeks Coffee. 286 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,680 Seven Weeks Coffee is, yes, my favorite coffee brand. 287 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,240 It's what I drink every morning. OK, and Full disclosure, I have 288 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 not been drinking as much coffee because I am pregnant. 289 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,320 But if I was drinking coffee, it would be 7 weeks and it's with 290 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,920 my husband is drinking. Seven Weeks Coffee is organic, 291 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,840 it's gourmet, it's delicious. It is the best coffee. 292 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120 You're going to love it. The best part about 7 Weeks 293 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,200 Coffee is it is a pro-life coffee company that's giving 10% 294 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,240 of all of their proceeds, not just profits back to the 295 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,200 pro-life movement. Become a coffee subscriber Seven 296 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:10,160 weeks at sevenweekscoffee.com. Use the code Lila 10 at checkout 297 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,680 for 10% off your order. You're going to love Seven Weeks 298 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,360 Coffee. If you haven't tried it and 299 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,000 you're listening to this podcast, try it 300 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,320 sevenweekscoffee.com. So you're at this rock bottom. 301 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,720 It's October 2014. You say God, I'm giving you your 302 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,560 moment to be God for me. I'm not going to be God, but you 303 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,960 got to do this for me. It's like you had this openness 304 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,880 because I'm sure life wasn't easy after that. 305 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,320 No, it maybe was harder in some ways. 306 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,200 It was, you know, there was a grace, to be honest, that I had 307 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,560 never experienced. Like those things were hard. 308 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,240 It was almost like the things that I was diving into in the 309 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,880 world just kind of started to lose their flavor. 310 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,520 And but it wasn't just like God was pulling me out of something. 311 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,200 He was drawing me into himself. And so though, yes, it was, it 312 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,960 was hard. I mean, I cried. 313 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,120 There's so much happening. And I just literally put it all 314 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,120 out in the book. Like I didn't hide because I was 315 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,520 like, people need to read this because they're probably going 316 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,840 to go through it. And and if we just make it sound 317 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,840 like it's all rainbows and lollipops, when you say, you 318 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,360 know, Jesus be Lord of my life, it's just, it's not true. 319 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,200 There's going to be challenges. But, you know, through it all, 320 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,880 there was always a grace. There was always a grace. 321 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,080 So even in my weakest moments, when I'm face down in my ground, 322 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,480 you know, on the floor weeping and just saying, I don't want to 323 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,760 do this, you know, I get up and I'm like, yes, I do. 324 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,360 Like there was just a, you know, but there was the realness. 325 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,280 It was raw. It was unfiltered, you know, 326 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,200 with the Lord. And so I was just very, very 327 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,880 honest with him on the struggles and where I needed him to be 328 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,360 Lord. Like I'm not strong enough to 329 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,680 not go back to old ways. So you've got to show me that 330 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,200 there's something better. And every time I prayed that he 331 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,160 brought himself in a different way. 332 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,480 And so I did taste something that was better. 333 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,400 It's almost like totally different, you know, But just 334 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,240 for kind of to be able to relate is like when you stop maybe 335 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,400 eating like not healthy stuff, but when you've replaced it with 336 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,079 something healthy, you know it's good for you. 337 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,200 But there's also it tastes good. It's much easier to let go of 338 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,440 what's not so good when you've got something better. 339 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,480 And that that's what he's continued to do is he's 340 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,040 continued to show me, but I have to trust him. 341 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,240 Like there's a open handedness and he removes but then he 342 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,880 places, right? So yeah, not not easy at all, 343 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,079 but 100% worth it. So I remember in the book you I, 344 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,120 if I remember correctly, it was such a powerful book. 345 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:32,480 When I first read it was I think a year and a half ago or maybe 346 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,080 two years ago now. I was like, I remember thinking 347 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,120 I need to talk, I need to get to talk to Kim at some point. 348 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,920 So this is so great to meet you in person. 349 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,640 But I, if I remember correctly, there was this in your journey. 350 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,200 You are not wanting to identify say like I am lesbian. 351 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,680 That was something that you just, you know, maybe it was 352 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,400 your faith background or just you didn't buy that kind of 353 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,280 label stuff. Well, to explain that more, 354 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,200 because I, I think for folks listening and I'm we're going to 355 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,640 get to later on in the interview questions that people had 356 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,680 because they put out, Hey, I'm interviewing Kim again and got a 357 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,840 ton of people with their questions about what many 358 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,520 things. But what does it mean for 359 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,640 someone who recognizes at this instinctual level, OK, this is 360 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:17,320 not my identity, like being LGBT versus those that really do, and 361 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,720 the differences maybe in how they can come out of that and 362 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,720 find true freedom in their identity as a son or daughter of 363 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,720 God? Yeah. 364 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,840 Does that question make sense? Oh. 365 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,480 For sure. Yeah. 366 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,880 So I think too, remembering that I grew up in church, I grew up 367 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,080 hearing about God, right. And so and I remember, like I 368 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,600 said, and and people might think I'm crazy, but it's OK. 369 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,600 I'm used to that. And it's thank God they don't 370 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,920 define me. But like I said when I was 371 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,160 baptized, I believe there's been a grace over my life to not 372 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,000 receive what is not true. OK. 373 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,000 And so like. That's a gift. 374 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:54,040 You didn't believe the lie? Yeah, even though you might be 375 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,280 tempted to still kind of live not in the truth. 376 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,440 Even though everything in my life showed me otherwise, there 377 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,120 was something deep down which I I'm not going to take credit for 378 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,240 now. We can respond to it or not. 379 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,120 And most of my life I didn't respond to it right, But when I 380 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:13,240 did, my goodness. So I think for me when, when 381 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,480 that grace is present and I knew, so yes, I was dating 382 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,040 women. I, I did know that it was wrong. 383 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,120 That didn't mean I liked the truth. 384 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,160 But ultimately, like I always knew I had priests. 385 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,160 I had a Catholic counselor that was telling me it's OK. 386 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,320 But deep, deep down, and it wasn't like, oh man, it's 387 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,720 because gay has a negative connotation. 388 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,040 I didn't, as I just said, I didn't receive the title 389 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,240 missionary. And in Christian circles, that's 390 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,640 like, that could be a badge of honor. 391 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,400 But even then I was like, no, that's just not who I am. 392 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,760 It's yes, it's what I'm doing. And so for me, when people 393 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,480 started calling me gay, I'm like, no, I really am dating 394 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,640 women. I'm not going to pretend like 395 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,440 I'm not. But it's not who I am. 396 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,600 Just like, I'm not a missionary. And so I believe it was grace, 397 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,400 but I also believe I was raised up to know what was true, right? 398 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,120 And so when you do know truth, even when something looks 399 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,400 appealing and you even want to receive it, you know it. 400 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,360 It's just hard when you know different. 401 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,920 You know, you, you and, and my family wasn't the type that like 402 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,280 pushed me out when I was in the lifestyle. 403 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,440 They did not ever celebrate what God himself didn't celebrate. 404 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,920 But they never, I was not outcasted. 405 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,320 I was not, you know, and so it wasn't like, oh, it's just the 406 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,960 pressure of the family. I'm like, my family told me a 407 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,320 lot of things that I didn't do, you know what I mean? 408 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,960 And so this was not just this like just I got to be obedient. 409 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,360 I mean, if you read the book, there's not a lot of of 410 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:41,360 obedience in that, but I, I really think for people who you, 411 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,320 what is truth? I mean, we're like today 412 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,200 everybody says, oh, truth is whatever you kind of want it to 413 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,000 be. That's not true. 414 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,280 Like it might sound good, but I lived that way and my life was a 415 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,360 mess when there was no real truths like rooted, grounded, 416 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:00,080 not just what I want, what I feel or what other people want 417 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,720 or feel. There's no grounding. 418 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,720 Like we weren't created by God to be God, you know, and I 419 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,000 ultimately just always kind of knew that though I wanted to try 420 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,040 it out and I tried it out for sure. 421 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,920 So my thing that people would be like, hey, do you want to hear? 422 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,920 Like could you possibly imagine? See, because so many people are 423 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,080 like, well, I just don't want to follow all those rules. 424 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,600 That just sounds, it sounds like it's man made just so man can 425 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,800 control you. And I'm like, OK, why would I 426 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,040 freely choose that when I was in the lifestyle, doing whatever I 427 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,560 wanted, still loved by my family, still loved by my 428 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,080 friends, loved probably by the community even and more, right, 429 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,520 like celebrating it. Why would I choose this other? 430 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,640 Like there's a real experience there. 431 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,200 And that's where some people are like, I'm surprised you don't 432 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,440 get beat up when you do interviews. 433 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,120 I'm like, I'm sharing my life. I'm sharing my experience. 434 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:51,600 I'm not telling you you have to do it. 435 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,960 But hey, I mean, how many times have you went and seen a movie 436 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000 and you're like, you call everybody, you know, you sound 437 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,680 up blast, you know, on social media and you're like, go see 438 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,600 this movie. That's all I'm doing. 439 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,240 I'm like, there's something else out there. 440 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,400 Y'all are you? Do you want to try it? 441 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Do you want to see a loving, tender, merciful father that's 442 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,000 got good plans for you? Right? 443 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,960 And, and I just don't know how much he's presented that way. 444 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,320 So I think that's why a lot of people are like, this is good, 445 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,680 this is stable, this is unchanging. 446 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,640 And it's sad because even in the LGBT community, you know, you 447 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,920 can say it's unchanging, but I know many people take God out of 448 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,200 the equation. These aren't Christian people 449 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,920 that ended up no longer having same sex desires. 450 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,480 In the LGBT in the. LGBT so so who are you now? 451 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,040 Like in a world that's constantly changing, we are 452 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,920 seeking something that is consistent, something that is 453 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,760 unchanging. And we know that the word of God 454 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,720 says he is, he is, he was, and he always will be. 455 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,360 He is the unchanging we're actually seeking. 456 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,760 It really is. And then when we now our 457 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,360 identities are tied to him, guess what? 458 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Now our identity is unchanging, but I just don't know how good 459 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,440 of a job. I mean, I didn't remember that 460 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,400 growing up, you know? And so I grabbed for what I 461 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,760 could to feel confident, to feel wanted, to feel seen, to feel 462 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,120 like someone. What do you what do you say to 463 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:16,480 people like the counselor that you had, the Catholic counselor 464 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:21,640 who is saying to you, no, God is accepting of being in the LGBT 465 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,720 lifestyle and it's OK, It's all OK. 466 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,960 And unfortunately just be monogamous. 467 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,680 And even like, I think it was Saddleback Church here, you 468 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,080 know, so it's not just, you know, this confusion in some 469 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,560 Catholic circles, although the Catholic teaching is very clear. 470 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,800 But I think there's also confusion certainly in the 471 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,560 evangelical world. I know Saddleback here. 472 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,680 There was a viral clip of a pastor and his wife saying, 473 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,520 trying to give advice, I think a lesbian or a gay couple and 474 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,000 saying, well, I don't know, would we tell you to divorce 475 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,320 because the God hates divorce, you know, so, so I think there's 476 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,080 confusion everywhere and like that. 477 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,720 That's what happens when we become God. 478 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,160 That's what happens when we become God. 479 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,720 And so like that Catholic counselor that you mentioned, 480 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,120 what's the message to people who say I am following God, I am 481 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:07,760 seeking God sincerely, but I'm still justifying the LGBT 482 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,040 lifestyle and identity. Well, I think sometimes we look, 483 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,400 we've been given reason, like logic and feelings and desires. 484 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,960 And I think sometimes we try to just stay in one of those lanes 485 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,000 instead of realize that there God actually created us to to 486 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,840 not ignore either. And I just feel like sometimes 487 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,840 we just ignore logic, right? And so for me, when I went in 488 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,400 and I was seeking help, I was like, OK, I don't want to just 489 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680 go to anyone. I want to go to a Catholic 490 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,400 because I knew the teachings of the church. 491 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,520 So I'm like, but I want someone to walk this out with me, right? 492 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,160 Like help me, you know, so I hired this counselor. 493 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,600 And so for me, when when he started to kind of affirm a gay 494 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,800 identity and like, well, you know, just being monogamous and 495 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,400 this that I'm like, hold on a minute. 496 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,560 I came in for truth, right? And I want you to deal with my 497 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,960 feelings and desires, but like, don't throw either one of those 498 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,080 out. And I felt like he was throwing 499 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,600 out truth because I was seeking someone who was rooted in the 500 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,320 Catholic teachings, which are rooted in the Bible at right. 501 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,400 And so for me, I, I just couldn't. 502 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,320 And he's like, well, you don't really understand the 503 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,640 scriptures. And I was like, OK, so I'm just 504 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,200 going to invite logic in for a second. 505 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,760 So you're telling me, and mind you, I'm 18 years old at the 506 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,840 time to a, you know, a counselor who's got every degree on the 507 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,440 wall. And I'm like, so you're telling 508 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,240 me that I don't understand the scriptures in the only place 509 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,640 that I struggle. So I struggle with homosexuality 510 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,840 and the scriptures make tons of sense except for there I was 511 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280 like, or are you saying I'm not going to understand scripture at 512 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,480 all because he's saying, you know, homosexuality is not what 513 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,840 it was then when they were writing about it to what it is 514 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,840 now. And I'm like, but God's word 515 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,680 says that he was, is and always will be that his word will stay 516 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280 firm. So I'm like, if that's wrong, 517 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,960 then what else? So you're like just pulling at 518 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,640 threads here. So you're going to stand firm on 519 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,720 this in whatever scripture being true. 520 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,720 But the one that I struggle with, that one's where it's Gray 521 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,720 and like, you're OK. I was like, that sounds amazing 522 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,800 to my feelings and desires, but it sounds a little too 523 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,920 convenient. And my logic won't allow me to 524 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,680 receive that because if it's either all true or it's all not. 525 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,240 So if I'm going to really live my life by this, I'm all in or 526 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,240 I'm all out. Like, let's just be real. 527 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,800 I don't think this is a buffet and just, you know, do this. 528 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,400 And so he, there's not really much you can say. 529 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,440 Later. Come to find out, his sister was 530 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,520 in a union with another woman. And so I have a feeling that if 531 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,160 he was going to share that truth with me, he would have to bring 532 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,640 that to the dinner table around his family. 533 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,880 I don't know for sure, but I found that out later. 534 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,880 I thought he was probably wrestling with that, you know, 535 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960 on a personal level. So which doesn't make it OK, but 536 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,920 because truth, if truth is going to be truth, it applies whether 537 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080 I'm talking to you, whether I'm at a university that is non 538 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,040 Christian, whether I'm at the gas station. 539 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,200 And I love that. I love that I don't have to 540 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,800 create truth. I just choose to agree to it and 541 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560 humble myself and say, God, you do know more than I do. 542 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,560 I mean, I it's like creation telling the creator I'm smarter 543 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,200 than you. I mean, that's just not logical 544 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,800 to me. And maybe maybe I'm not that 545 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,360 smart, but you know, I if my. Actually smart, that's why. 546 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,320 Yeah, but like my toaster, if my toaster is like, Nah, that I 547 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,320 know what to do. No, you don't. 548 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,240 You were created just just bowing humility to the one that 549 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,000 loves you and created you out of that love. 550 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,560 And I'm telling you, it would be so much easier if we do that. 551 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,320 It takes a lot of surrender to say, OK, I'm not in, I'm not in 552 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,640 control, I'm not in charge. Do you think that the fear of 553 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,600 surrender is actually what sort of letting people kind of self 554 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,680 deceive a little bit? And I think self deception, 555 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,120 obviously today doesn't just exist on sexuality issues. 556 00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,320 It exists on everything, you know, everything regarding 557 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000 marriage to like, OK, rationalizing, you know, 558 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,720 divorce, you know, rationalizing, you know, any, 559 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,800 any falling away from God, Our power to rationalize and self 560 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,240 deceive. It scares me because I think 561 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,400 about that. I'm like, I have the same power 562 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,040 as anyone else for self deception. 563 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,320 So we all have this power to just trick ourselves into 564 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200 thinking that we are not just that we are God, but sometimes 565 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,600 even that God approves of this way or how I'm living. 566 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,720 I think deep, deep down there is a lack of peace in that. 567 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720 But people can cover that up with the noise of the. 568 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,160 World. And then you rally people around 569 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,960 you that agree, right? Some of my favorite 570 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,720 conversations, I love this, right? 571 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880 Because we we agree to what is true. 572 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,280 But I actually love the conversations where someone 573 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,720 doesn't agree with what I believe is true, right, Because 574 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,040 those are times is I just don't want to hear an echo of my own 575 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,880 thing, right? Of what what I root and ground 576 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,800 my life in which is is Jesus, right? 577 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,120 And so I love those conversations that aren't. 578 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,960 But I think a lot of times we do drown ourselves out. 579 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,000 I think that's why the LGBT community is so tight too, 580 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,040 right? Because if we just surround 581 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,480 ourselves with everybody that agrees with us, we don't have to 582 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,160 actually hear that still small voice that I believe everyone 583 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,160 hears. There's no one that was not 584 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,800 created by God. There's just not, there's no one 585 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,920 that's not created. And so his, his voice resounds. 586 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,040 They may not know whose it is. They may not know what's going 587 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,800 on, but there's something because he loves them because he 588 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,000 loves them and love doesn't give up. 589 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,200 It's not going to give up. And so we drown it out, whether 590 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,280 it's alcohol, whether it's drugs, whether it's just 591 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720 surround myself with everybody that just agrees. 592 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640 But deep down, and and I'll speak from my own experience, 593 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440 deep down inside, no matter how how much I did all of that, 594 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,960 which I've done that voice when I lay in bed at night, I 595 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800 couldn't, couldn't stop. And it wasn't condemning me. 596 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,960 It was calling me. It was beckoning me, but I just 597 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,000 didn't want to listen. I didn't want to give up. 598 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,560 And it was fear. You nailed it. 599 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,480 It was fear. What's my life going to be like? 600 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,920 I don't want to be Mother Teresa. 601 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280 I don't want to be this single person. 602 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,280 She is great. But like, you know, when you're 603 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,760 19 and even now I'm like, you know, and so in that, but, but I 604 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,560 think that's The thing is like fear. 605 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,800 But the Scripture says that perfect love casts out fear. 606 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,800 See, so I think part of what we're missing here is people 607 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,720 experiencing God's perfect love. It says that that's what casts 608 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 out fear. So fear of right, if I'm not in 609 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,000 control, what's going to happen? 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You're going to love it. 621 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,080 Download Public Square today. So there are, there have been 622 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,640 people in my life over the years and some of them I've tried, you 623 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,480 know, who've been involved in LGBT stuff or whatever. 624 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,680 And one in particular I'm thinking of, you know, we, we've 625 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,320 had these conversations about it and I tried, you know, to be 626 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,160 like that loving, accepting friend that's not accepting 627 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,080 necessarily of these choices they're making. 628 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520 But I discovered that at certain point there was kind of a 629 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,800 doubling down with my friends. And at a certain point, it's 630 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,040 like they didn't even want to engage anymore because it's like 631 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,720 they're like, you can go talk to this other person if you want 632 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,280 to, but I don't really want to just talk about this. 633 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,760 And it's like, well, can I improve how I talk about it and, 634 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,600 you know, change this? But at the end of the day, it 635 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,520 was just like, I don't want to hear it anymore. 636 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800 What's been your experience? Have you come across that? 637 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,640 What do you do if you come across that, especially for 638 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,240 people listening? I mean, maybe you just love and 639 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,920 pray and there's not much much you can do beyond that. 640 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,760 I think a lot of times when, and you know, I can't speak for 641 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,960 everyone, but what in my experience, when somebody is 642 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,760 just kind of done, I feel like sometimes they just feel 643 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,120 threatened, the very thing that they're holding on to and is 644 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,720 precious to them and maybe defining them you're trying to 645 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,880 take away. And so that's why for me, I feel 646 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,560 like it's instead of like, Hey, I want to, I want to take this 647 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,600 from you. I'm like, Hey, this is what I've 648 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 experienced. And then like through their own. 649 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,400 That's why I really try to stick with sharing my testimony, 650 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,120 right, Not preaching at you, but like, Hey, here's what's 651 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,200 happened with me and continuing to happen. 652 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,760 And so and then some people, I mean, I have a family member 653 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:38,040 that said until you stop sharing and spreading lies and hatred, I 654 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,480 never want to hear from you. And this is this was a cousin of 655 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,440 mine that I was actually the closest with growing. 656 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,000 Recently. Oh yeah, wow. 657 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,440 And said never. That's kind of what happened to 658 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,960 me to some degree, because they're saying by you speaking 659 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,320 out against the LGBT identity, you're attacking me. 660 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560 And I'm like, well, I love you. I'm not intending to attack you. 661 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,680 And but it doesn't matter because this is what you're 662 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,480 saying on social media. You know anything critical is an 663 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,000 attack. Anything that's not in line with 664 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,720 what they're living and if you're not supporting it and in 665 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,640 any way speaking against it and and I could understand that and 666 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,360 I I'm going to choose to honor what she's asking. 667 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,640 And that was so hard to send a reply back to my cousin who I do 668 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640 love. She may not believe that, but I 669 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200 do love her. I mean, she was my best friend 670 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,840 growing up when we were little, all of that. 671 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,200 And so for me, I, I pray knew we were just doing an intercession 672 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,720 set at International House of Prayer the other night and I was 673 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,400 on my face crying for her. Like, Lord, just just show her 674 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,880 how much you love her, you know, because I think she's just 675 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640 completely distanced herself from God. 676 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,720 And you know, because God means I've got to change. 677 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,920 If I'm with God, God means he doesn't like me the way I am. 678 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,160 If I'm with this God you're talking about, right. 679 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,520 And so it's, it's threat after threat after threat. 680 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,880 And so I just was praying and I'm like, Lord, and it doesn't 681 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,320 have to be me. But can you show up in her life 682 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,640 like through someone else, that someone that she's willing to 683 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,960 hear it from? Not so that she won't be gay. 684 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440 It's not about this. It's that she'll encounter the 685 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,719 one that she was created for, that she will actually like. 686 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,639 The scriptures say it like return to your first love. 687 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,440 He is our first love. But so many of us don't know 688 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,880 that. We haven't experienced that. 689 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,840 And and so to me, I think you get to a place when someone cuts 690 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,600 you out, you honor it and you pray. 691 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,719 Nobody can ever stop you from praying. 692 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,199 You don't need to voice memo them all your prayers like trust 693 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,639 God. Don't do that, actually. 694 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,280 Don't do that if. They're asking for first space. 695 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040 Yeah, just honor that, you know, and and think about your own 696 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,880 situation, like if somebody came to you and was like, hey, you're 697 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,000 not supposed to be married, you know, like the person that you 698 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,159 love and have want a family with or have a family with, you're 699 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,840 not supposed to love them. And so like they voice memo you 700 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,280 all the time about how you'd be like, just please stop, Please 701 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,199 stop. Or maybe you'd freak out on him. 702 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,800 I probably would, you know. And so we just have to honor 703 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,200 where people are AT and then just really trust that God's 704 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,360 going to do what he's going to do. 705 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,800 And you just pray and like Lord, and it's not. 706 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080 I think that's where we get to is we always want to draw 707 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,680 someone out of something. But I just wonder if we actually 708 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,920 just maybe more shared what you could be drawn into. 709 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,040 They'll walk out of something. Does that make sense? 710 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,200 Like if something's more appealing and, and we can't do 711 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,000 that, it's Holy Spirit that convicts. 712 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800 We're not meant to convict people. 713 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,040 We are meant to share truth. We are not meant to back down. 714 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,880 So I'm not saying just, oh, whatever you do, but be honest. 715 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,560 But when they say stop, just stop. 716 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400 You said something really interesting earlier, which is, 717 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,480 you know, they have to see something better, You have to 718 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,360 show something better. And the only way to ultimately 719 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,880 authentically show something better is to be receiving it 720 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,160 yourself from God. Amen. 721 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,320 You can't give what? You don't have of it yourself. 722 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200 And that takes a tremendous amount of trust and surrender. 723 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,560 Because what you also said earlier, which I thought was 724 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,920 such a such a great point, is like, there's a fear of holiness 725 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,480 as we might perceive it, like the Mother Teresa, Holiness the 726 00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:59,280 martyr. Holy. 727 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,400 Yeah. I was reading about, I know I 728 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,080 was reading about the the Uma family from Poland. 729 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,040 I don't know if you saw this come out a few days ago, but 730 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,160 this whole family, you know, including the children murdered 731 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,080 by the Nazis for housing Jews, this Catholic family in Poland, 732 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440 and now they're all being beatified, including the unborn 733 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,880 baby who was killed. So it's like an incredibly 734 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,560 powerful story, but it's also like, would I have the courage, 735 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,360 would I have the courage to endanger my family to house 736 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,600 those that are being attacked, endangering the lives of my own, 737 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,240 but they are being beatified for it was like, do I even have the 738 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,360 courage to even get close to that kind of that kind of love? 739 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,400 And for what reason? And for what reason? 740 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,920 See, because just to die, to die, not to die for the one who 741 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,920 died for you, who you've experienced and encountered his 742 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,800 love and you'll do anything. Think about your own husband. 743 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,640 When you've received love, the instant is to give it back like 744 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,080 a pure love, right? And so even for me, I'm like, 745 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,920 that's why I'm like, I don't want to be a Mother Teresa. 746 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280 I've got to work for this guy, this guy being God, right? 747 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,200 Like now I'm going to put on this clothes the same thing 748 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040 every day and just work for him every day. 749 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,840 Like, Nah, I'm good, right? And so, and I was raised in the 750 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,680 church. Imagine those who weren't how 751 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,200 they, you know, the perception of God. 752 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200 And it's no new thing that Satan's doing. 753 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,400 He did it in the garden. He's doing it now, right? 754 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,760 Just twist the goodness of God. Just make him look like he's not 755 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,720 good so that people won't be with him. 756 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,560 And so it's the same same schemes he's doing now. 757 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,080 And so to me, it's like, gosh, we have so much fear to let go 758 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,080 because we don't know the one who's asking us to hand it over. 759 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:34,840 We don't really know him. And I know I talk a lot about 760 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,680 that, but it's like foundational. 761 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,600 It really is. It's relationship. 762 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,120 It's relationship. It's not a dead just set of 763 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,720 rules. It's relational. 764 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960 And so if all they know is rules and I'm not allowed to be gay or 765 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,880 I'm not allowed to do this or I'm not allowed to do that, 766 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,800 that's why I said just hold before them. 767 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,080 Beauty. I remember even with my mom when 768 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,880 I was trying to help her eat healthy, right? 769 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,920 She's like, no, you're not going to take the brownies from me. 770 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,440 I'm like, no, no, mom, I'm not trying to take anything. 771 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,680 Look what I have for you. And I gave her something else 772 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,760 and she's like, whoa, that's good. 773 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,080 Guess what? She was full. 774 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,280 So she didn't eat the other thing. 775 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,800 And then she wanted more of that. 776 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,560 And so I think it's really, instead of just taking something 777 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,720 from someone holding before them what God is offering. 778 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,200 How can we help people encounter the sweetness of God? 779 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,640 Be it, I mean be it, right, he says. 780 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,560 Taste and see that I am good. How can we be the sweetness of 781 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,960 God? Get with him, get with him, be 782 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,480 in his presence. You learn the heart of God. 783 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,880 Let's not, and I'm not saying now all the rules go out the 784 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200 window, but learn the heartbeat before you learn the words. 785 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160 Learn his heartbeat. Rest on his chest, John the 786 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,160 Beloved, right? He rested on Jesus chest not 787 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,960 because he was homosexual. No, there was an intimacy there. 788 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,680 There was a closeness there. He heard the beat of his heart 789 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,000 and then he could be the beat of his heart. 790 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,360 He was not arrogant. He didn't say I'm the beloved. 791 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,560 He knew he was loved. We have to know that we are 792 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,520 loved to be able to tell people how loved they are. 793 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,120 But there's something that's required for what you're saying 794 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,440 that it's a very basic thing. It's what you did on that day in 795 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,520 October of 2014, which is that you let him in. 796 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,880 You gave him, you gave him a minute, a moment, because if 797 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,600 we're so noisy and so distracted and so busy and so we're, we're 798 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080 running basically, but, and that's, that's prayer. 799 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:24,640 That's prayer. People think about prayer. 800 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,840 OK, I'm going to sit down and have this like big formal prayer 801 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,360 moment. It's like no prayer can be a 802 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,200 moment in the car, your worst breakdown saying God, if you're 803 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,120 out there, hear me, be with me now, or it can be anywhere. 804 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,200 Whatever you're doing in your life, you know, it can be as you 805 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,240 fall asleep. But prayer is that moment of 806 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,600 yes, God, I'm here, I am. Yeah, and being real. 807 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,640 Being real. See, that prayer that I prayed 808 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,120 was real. God, I I can't give up what I'm 809 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,720 doing unless you show me something better. 810 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,080 See. But I think in order to do that, 811 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,920 we have to be willing. I saw what my idols were to 812 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,160 whatever degree I could. And I said these things are not 813 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,240 really working anymore, but they're better than nothing. 814 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,400 So can you show me that you're better? 815 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,120 And so I think whatever we're at, it's this is not just LGBTQ, 816 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,440 right? There's idols within marriage, 817 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,880 Christian heterosexual marriage. And within ministry, within 818 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,920 ministry, because your idol can be your ministry, absolutely it 819 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,360 can your idol can be something very good a job usually even 820 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,640 your own kids. Look at Abraham and Isaac. 821 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,200 We just talked to a parent last week and she was a train wreck. 822 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,040 And I mean that with a heart that hurts for her because her 823 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,800 son came out and he said, mom, I'm I'm gay. 824 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,000 Her rock solid faith crumbled. She didn't even want to pray. 825 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,880 She said she was staring at the wall. 826 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,640 She would come home and just stare at the wall. 827 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,920 She said, I I don't even want to do my devotional. 828 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,960 I don't want anything. And actually it was a friend of 829 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,800 mine that was like, it might sound like God's revealing an 830 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,080 idol in your life, the very Son he blessed you with. 831 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,920 You've lifted above God if you can't even pray for him. 832 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,560 And that was not in condemnation or shame, but I just think we've 833 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,400 like when I'm in Ethiopia, I see radical faith because they don't 834 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,720 have anything else, right? When you don't know where your 835 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:12,240 next meal is coming from, you don't have a 4O1K to dip into, 836 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,040 you don't have an insurance plan, and your kid just hurt 837 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,680 themselves or is coughed for a month, right? 838 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,440 Like you rely on God. I think there's so many things 839 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,280 we rely on and we thank God for it, right? 840 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080 We're like, thank you God for this, thank you God for that. 841 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,400 Amen to that. But I'm talking like October 842 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,320 17th, 2014. I needed God. 843 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,040 I didn't just want him, I needed him. 844 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,720 Everything I had gone to was breaking right If they call it 845 00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,520 rock bottom, whatever it be. So like are we at the bottom of 846 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,760 ourselves yet? And, and I say that I'm still 847 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,320 discovering the bottom of myself. 848 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,760 I I need Jesus just as much as I did on October 17th, 2014. 849 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,160 I need him just as much today to not become self-righteous, 850 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,440 arrogant, prideful, thinking I know better, thinking that my 851 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,240 story is everybody's story. Me, me, me right, pride, the 852 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,400 beginning of the fall. And so in that, like, are we 853 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,480 desperate for him or have we allowed these things to kind of 854 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,840 just comatose, right? We're just kind of going along 855 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,600 and we pray the prayers and and the prayers are good, but I'm 856 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,680 talking about a real need for him. 857 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,160 And I know that I need him because I, you know, people will 858 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,560 ask. So like, you know, Paul and his 859 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,560 affliction, you know, take this from me, God. 860 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,160 And what was God's response? My grace is sufficient. 861 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,560 Do we count on God? See, I don't date women anymore, 862 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,880 not because I'm, I would go to hell, right? 863 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,240 If I continue to, it's not out of the fear of hell. 864 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,560 Hell is real. But I'm not dating women because 865 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,360 I've experienced the love that's greater and I've experienced the 866 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,320 strength from him, not from myself. 867 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520 I tried to do it in my own strength before. 868 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,560 So like when we realize, my goodness, everything I need help 869 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,720 with is found in him, he's going to become the source. 870 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640 And so we could go on for a long time about that and I'll stop 871 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,120 there, but I just don't know how desperate we are anymore. 872 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,280 It's so, so beautifully, said Kim. 873 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,120 And that and it's a reminder for me and it's like anybody can do 874 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,520 it. That moment of rawness. 875 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,560 If you're struggling to pray, you're struggling with anything. 876 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,960 I'm just saying here I am. Lord help me Jesus, I trust in 877 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,160 you. Jesus help. 878 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,880 Me. I mean, I can't do it I. 879 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,880 Can't do it, Jesus. And you just. 880 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,120 Oh, and then it's amazing how life changes now. 881 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,120 It doesn't look or feel the way that maybe we think it's going 882 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,200 to look or feel, but it leads ultimately to the peace that 883 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,840 only can only come from God. It's like peace that brings that 884 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,200 It can bring joy, the real joy. Absolutely. 885 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,480 And I think that's where also, like you said, how do we bring 886 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,520 Jesus? Are we miserable? 887 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,560 Right? Because like if your life is 888 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,200 miserable, I probably don't want what you have when you live a 889 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,400 life of joy now, joy even in suffering, joy even in pain in 890 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,640 trial, I'm talking about your joy is, and this is something 891 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,000 I'm praying for. I'm like God, that scripture 892 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,000 that says the joy is in my salvation, that's not on this 893 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,200 earth right here. So may my joy be rooted in 894 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:12,040 eternity with you. That's the martyr's joy, which 895 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,840 is so. And I'm praying for it. 896 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,760 I don't have it. Yeah, but. 897 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,440 But ask him, he says. Ask. 898 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,160 You'll receive seek. You'll find. 899 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,480 He doesn't make it hard. But Satan just gets in there. 900 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,480 And God doesn't really want to do that. 901 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,360 God's not for you. He's against you. 902 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480 It's twisting of Scripture. So tell me about Rainbow 903 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,200 Revival. Yeah, you are doing this very 904 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,320 special thing with Freedom Marches. 905 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,920 You've done one in Lai. Think there's going to be 1 in 906 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,920 Dallas soon? October 21st. 907 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,920 What is Rainbow Revival? What is this movement that's 908 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160 really growing? It's growing. 909 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,240 Yeah. The Lord. 910 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,440 It is a group of people, myself being one of them, that have 911 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,200 come out of the LGBT community and into a surrendered life in 912 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,720 Christ. This is not out of the LGBT 913 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,240 community to be mad at people or tell people they're wrong. 914 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,280 It's a radical, laid down life for the Lord and it looks 915 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,360 different. Some have gotten married right 916 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,200 into heterosexual marriages and have children. 917 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480 Some of us feel a call to singleness for the sake of the 918 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,320 Kingdom, but we go around and we, we just intercede as a 919 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,240 board. We intercede and say, God, where 920 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,160 do you want to go? Where do you want us to go and 921 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,240 share? You know, you, you know very 922 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:30,480 well pro-life marches, pro-life, you know, rallies and things 923 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,200 like that. I'm like, my goodness, the 924 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,880 founder was a dear friend of mine. 925 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,040 She was like, and, and some other people were talking one 926 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,040 day and the Lord just said, like, my goodness, people March 927 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,800 for everything. Can you March for the freedom 928 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,960 that I've given you and continue to show you, you know, this is a 929 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,840 this is not a one and done. This is a continued journey with 930 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,320 the Lord, right? It's a relationship. 931 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,160 And so it's constantly going. So we go into different cities 932 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,800 as the Lord leads us. We do praise and worship. 933 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,920 We do testimonies woven in of all different stories. 934 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,480 I mean radical, I mean people who were literally some have 935 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,160 gone through the surgeries, through trans, you know, 936 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,920 transitioning, transitioning surgeries and then detransition. 937 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,840 Some did not even fully detransition, but they are heart 938 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,280 has been like seared and then slowly but surely the exterior 939 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,800 stuff changes. But God's concerned about the 940 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,680 heart. So we have testimonies beyond 941 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,200 that. You're literally, my mom went to 942 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,920 one of the events and she's like, it is still one of the 943 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,240 most profound experiences that I've had hearing these radical 944 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,600 testimonies and seeing people literally like she, she 945 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,760 described it is like seeing people like David dance before 946 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,800 the Tabernacle just unfiltered, like unto the Lord, like have 947 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,720 really encountered love. And so, yeah, we'll go in and we 948 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,680 we share testimony, we worship, we have prayer tents set up that 949 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,680 if people want to just connect, be prayed with, it's not about 950 00:46:53,720 --> 00:46:56,480 Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. 951 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880 It's not a negative message. It's true, it's real. 952 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,560 The word of God says that testimony is prophecy into 953 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,760 someone else's life. And so it's free to March FM 954 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,600 standing for like hear this like a dial on the radio FM AM. 955 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,280 And so the kind of slogan for freedom March is hear the sound 956 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000 of freedom. And so just as testimony goes 957 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,400 forth, as worship and praise goes forth, we've had, I've, I, 958 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,800 we could do a whole podcast on just the stories of how people 959 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,800 have drawn in. So we go to the public square. 960 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,080 So we'll go in Dallas, we're going to be at Clyde Warren 961 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,760 Park. We rent out the whole park. 962 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,480 It's free for whoever wants to come. 963 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,640 And we just have, it's a, it's a Jesus festival kind of thing, 964 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,880 kind of like what happened with the Jesus revolution and with 965 00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,480 the hippies. We're starting to see that 966 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,080 there's a prophetic word that has been, it was prophesied 967 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,120 many, many years ago that there would be 100,000 plus coming out 968 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,840 of the LGBT community into Christ. 969 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,080 Not just out of, but into that they will be evangelists, 970 00:47:57,240 --> 00:48:00,160 preachers, teachers and so. Are you seeing that now? 971 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600 Absolutely. Well, we're seeing the first 972 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:07,120 fruits of that in a, in a big way I I've seen before and it's 973 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040 beautiful. Like those who have gone before 974 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,880 us and those who will come after us, right. 975 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,800 It's not about 1 person about Jesus, the one person, but what 976 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,320 he's doing. But I absolutely believe that we 977 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,160 will see something like we have never seen. 978 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,640 I believe that there are so many sons and daughters in the LGBT 979 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,160 community that are going to radically, radically testify to 980 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,880 the goodness of Jesus Christ, and they will be a big part of 981 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,000 this huge, I believe, revival that is coming. 982 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,920 So one of the things I've noticed about Rainbow Revival, 983 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,360 well, it's easy to notice. It's called Rainbow Revival. 984 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,880 And, you know, there's this very colorful, beautiful 985 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,000 presentation. I mean, I think that's one of 986 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,560 the maybe attractions of the way LGBTQ is branded today is that 987 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,520 it's branded in rainbows and so much positivity and so much 988 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:55,920 light. And, you know, now if you go to 989 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,360 a, you know, a Pride parade, you're going to see some dark 990 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,280 stuff, too. It's not like it's all that. 991 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,440 But typically in media, that's how it's very inviting. 992 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:03,720 Very inviting. Yeah. 993 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:05,760 So what is? What are the differences? 994 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,600 Yeah, so Rainbow. Between, you know, a a Freedom 995 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,920 March and a Pride parade. Yeah, so rainbow revival, we do 996 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,840 use the rainbow. We use the seven colored 997 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,240 rainbow, not six. So the LGBT community will use 998 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,480 six colors and we won't unpack all that, but we can kind of see 999 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,960 what 6 sometimes symbolizes right in Scripture. 1000 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,760 So we what? Color was taken out I. 1001 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,080 Think it was indigo. I think it was indigo. 1002 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:35,360 And so we do joyfully and humbly, not pridefully, wave the 1003 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,600 flag, the seven colored flag, because it is. 1004 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,880 And that's actually our slogan of rainbow revival is Remember 1005 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,280 the Promise, because that ties to Genesis when when God 1006 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,680 stretched the bow across the sky and said, I will never flood the 1007 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,080 earth again. It was his covenant between his 1008 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,480 people, right? And we are his people because of 1009 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,440 what Jesus has done. We've been grafted in. 1010 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,480 And so in that it's remember the promise, prepare the way. 1011 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,480 And so the prepare the way is for the second coming of Christ. 1012 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,520 And people would be like, oh, you know, you've Jesus people. 1013 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,160 You think he's coming back, He's coming back and he's coming back 1014 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,640 for a bride. Are we ready? 1015 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,720 Are we love sick? Are we wanting him? 1016 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,040 Are we longing our hearts longing for the lover of our 1017 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,160 soul? And so Rainbow Revival, we stand 1018 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,960 in humility and we take pride in what Christ has done, but we are 1019 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,240 humbled because it wasn't in our doing. 1020 00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:26,840 It's in our surrender to his love that is actually re 1021 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:32,080 rebirthed who we are, right? And so we stand and we want to 1022 00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,120 invite others to that just to just to listen. 1023 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,040 Doesn't mean you have to do it. And I think that's thing you 1024 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,640 asked me earlier, like, do you get a lot of good kickback? 1025 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,000 Or do you know, people kind of tell you to be quiet? 1026 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,200 I just share my story if you want to listen. 1027 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,480 Amen. If you don't, there's like 1000 1028 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,920 other channels you can listen to. 1029 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,800 Nobody's forcing you to listen to this, right? 1030 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,680 And so in that, that's how we stand as Rainbow Revival. 1031 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,760 We're not going to go into your space and now start preaching. 1032 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,480 No, we're going to rent out. We're going to pay more money 1033 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,680 than we have. It's a nonprofit and we don't 1034 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,920 have money. None of us get paid, but we 1035 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,080 raise the money and we rent it out and whoever wants to come, I 1036 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,880 mean, we open it up. We don't hide what we're doing 1037 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,720 when we're doing it and so. Do you go to pride parades? 1038 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,480 Is that or have a booth or something just to raise 1039 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,320 awareness? Yeah, we might end up doing that 1040 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,760 because the same thing where people can come right and be 1041 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,840 prayed with and just be loved on, right. 1042 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,720 And and to see that from a Christian standpoint, I think is 1043 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,280 not sometimes as common. I personally haven't gone. 1044 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,160 I'm not opposed to it, but I want to be led to that too. 1045 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,760 I know a lot of my friends, one of the the founders, MJ Nixon, 1046 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,880 she used to go to the pride festivals and just pray for 1047 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,600 people, ask the Lord for prophetic words and and just to 1048 00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120 love on people with the love of Christ and always point back at 1049 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,480 him, right. So that it's seed. 1050 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,680 See, I think so many time we don't want it. 1051 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,360 We don't want to just throw seed. 1052 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,480 We want to see the fruit. We're like, no, we got it. 1053 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,840 If this has to happen right now, but we are we are meant to throw 1054 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,760 seed and and God grows it. And I think it's one of the 1055 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,600 scriptures, like some sow seeds, some get to water, and some get 1056 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,280 to see the harvest. Get to harvest, which is a cool 1057 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,360 job, but they're all they're all necessary. 1058 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,240 All necessary. What you said earlier was so 1059 00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,120 interesting about just the like this. 1060 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:15,440 So it's like overt spiritual symbolism at play here. 1061 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,320 Even just between Rainbow Revival and the Pride movement. 1062 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,720 You know, you mentioned the flag on the Pride movement. 1063 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,560 They've removed one of the seven colors, so there's only 6 and 1064 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,520 the connotation of the number six. 1065 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,080 And then Rainbow Revival has the full flag. 1066 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,600 And being the fall of man. And six, being the fall of man 1067 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,960 and the flag represents God's promise to not destroy the world 1068 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,560 for its sin. And then, you know, the flood, 1069 00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,840 Noah's flood. And then in addition, the word 1070 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,880 pride, you know, pride, the seven deadly sins. 1071 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,520 And pride cometh before the fall. 1072 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,600 But your messages have pride in the glory of God, not in your 1073 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,320 own. What do you think about all of 1074 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,440 that? Even obvious symbolism I feel I 1075 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,280 mean. Well, I we're in a spiritual 1076 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,120 battle and whether we want to admit it or not, it's like you 1077 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,240 can stand in the middle of a tornado and be like, I'm not in 1078 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,080 a tornado. You are, you know, and you're 1079 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,640 going to unfortunately find out about. 1080 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:13,960 To hit your head. Exactly. 1081 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,880 Like there goes the cow, you know what I mean? 1082 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,080 Like, so to me, we are in a spiritual battle. 1083 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,000 I know many people don't believe that. 1084 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,120 And I'm like, just look around, OK, Just look around at what's 1085 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,880 happening in the world. We are. 1086 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,880 And so to me, it just shows. And, and that's where I think we 1087 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,440 have to be careful because a lot of times we will now point the 1088 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,720 finger at the person and forget that what Scripture says, that 1089 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:39,960 this is a battle not between flesh and blood, but between 1090 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,120 spirit and principality, right? And so we have to remember the 1091 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,560 enemy is not the person in front of us. 1092 00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:49,120 The person might be operating in the enemy, the work of the 1093 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,240 enemy, but they're not our enemy. 1094 00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,880 That person was still created by God and God wants them. 1095 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,320 Whether or not they're going to give their life to God is is not 1096 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,400 my job. But did I display the goodness 1097 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,080 of God, how much he wants them to turn from our ways to trust 1098 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,120 God? Right. 1099 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,960 And so in that I do I see the parallels for sure, you know, 1100 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,320 and we didn't create the seven colored flag. 1101 00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,040 So it's like this was already in existence. 1102 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,120 We just well, that's the flag we're. 1103 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,000 Going to win, yeah. You know what I mean? 1104 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,960 Like, you can't, you can't deny that. 1105 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,200 And so for me, I think it's a great opportunity, though, where 1106 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,960 people are like some people within the LGBT community, they 1107 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,680 don't even know like, whoa, I thought there was always six 1108 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,040 colors in the rainbow. No, such a great conversation 1109 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,760 piece. We need to start talking more. 1110 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,240 That's like earlier in the interview I said, I love having 1111 00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,600 conversations with people that we do. 1112 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,520 We are on the same page, but I really love those conversations 1113 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:46,360 where we're not so that hopefully we can both ask God to 1114 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,680 help us humble ourselves and just to learn because I'm 1115 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,080 telling you, the church, we can learn from the LGBT community. 1116 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:54,880 And some people freak out. They're like, I'm shutting you 1117 00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,240 off right now. I'm like, hold on, hold on. 1118 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,800 They know how to do community. They know how to welcome people, 1119 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,240 right, come as you are. And we know Jesus says that come 1120 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,120 as you are, he will transform us. 1121 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,040 His very presence will transform us. 1122 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,200 But do we, does the church really have the like, come as 1123 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,520 you are? Or is it like, hey, come as we 1124 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,320 need you to be, come as you need to look per what we want, you 1125 00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,960 know, and and I Father Mike Schmidt says it right. 1126 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,520 I think it's in the catechism. Like God loves us so much, 1127 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,840 they'll meet us where where we're at, but he loves us too 1128 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,040 much to keep us there, right? And so there's a lot though. 1129 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,720 There is a massive spiritual war going on. 1130 00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,880 There always has been. And I believe it's going to get 1131 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,960 heavier and hotter and we can see it. 1132 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,840 I think this is where the banner of love needs to fly. 1133 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,040 And love. Love is not love. 1134 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,520 God is love. God is love. 1135 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,720 And the love of God, the banner of love In Scripture, it says 1136 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:55,240 that his banner over us is love. Are we waving that banner? 1137 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,120 And so that's what we do at Rainbow Revival. 1138 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,600 That's what I pray I do every day. 1139 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,080 Whether. Do you have that slogan God is 1140 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,320 Love? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1141 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,080 Perfect. Yeah, I'm not really into the 1142 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,720 social media thing, but a lot of people, you know, tag love is 1143 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,200 love. I'm like, I never said if 1144 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,640 somebody said like, what's the color red? 1145 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,560 And I'm like, red is red, they'd be like, that doesn't make again 1146 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,160 logic, right? So I would never put a bumper 1147 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,840 sticker on my car that says cat is cat, right? 1148 00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,880 But a lot of people. Woman is not woman today. 1149 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,640 That's what I. Mean like well when we remove 1150 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,760 logic. Right, right there was, I was 1151 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,560 asked to comment on this story recently and I was like, it was 1152 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,960 just overwhelmingly dark, but I wanted to share it because it's 1153 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,840 connected to all of this. But there is this man who was 1154 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,880 identifying as a woman, trans woman I think is the title then 1155 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,600 for that. But anyway, so he's trying to go 1156 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,360 through, he wants to have the first successful uterus change, 1157 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,040 he was saying, and be the first man, formerly man, now woman to 1158 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,200 become pregnant in order, he said. 1159 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:52,120 And this was like a viral TikTok in order to be able to have the 1160 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:56,040 first trans abortion. And you know, I remember looking 1161 00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,760 at that and just seeing like, this is like the like this is 1162 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,160 where it can spiral to. And this is the kind of meeting 1163 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,760 of the logical conclusion of like abortion culture with sort 1164 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,960 of sex, sexuality, confusion and identity culture like marry, 1165 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,760 marry together in this, you know, horrible harmony. 1166 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:16,040 Do you when you see stuff like that or you encounter it? 1167 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,520 And again, like anything could go viral on social media, like 1168 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,720 the darkest stuff, right? But what it, what, how do you, 1169 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,400 what's your kind of take on that when you see that? 1170 00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,720 Even when you just first said that, my heart just hurt. 1171 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,520 It is just dead. I'm like, what happened? 1172 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,240 What happened? Like to even want that? 1173 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,840 Who didn't see him? And again, I'm not minimizing 1174 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,400 evil, but like the reality for that person. 1175 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,360 Right, because he had a real, I think he, from what I saw, had 1176 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,520 this extreme hatred and and anger towards people that he 1177 00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:50,080 perceived as judging him. So he was going to get this 1178 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,760 abortion out of. Spite to prove. 1179 00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,200 To the people that he saw as judging him. 1180 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,480 Yeah, so I think there's a lot and I don't know, I don't know 1181 00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,240 this person, but the first thing I, I felt was hurt for him. 1182 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,000 Like what happened? I mean, think about Hitler when 1183 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,840 we look at the back story. I don't know if you watch the 1184 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,640 Ray Charles me, there's so much when you watch the back story of 1185 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,960 someone's life, you see where evil entered in. 1186 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,040 I mean, nefarious, that movie that came out, that guy that was 1187 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,240 possessed. I don't know if you saw that, 1188 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,240 but my goodness, watching that and seeing like we want to get 1189 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,640 mad at the person when you're like, no, in Jesus name, that 1190 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,600 spirit needs to go. They were once a child and they 1191 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,840 were once a child that probably was really hurt. 1192 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,680 Absolutely. And they grew up to keep 1193 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,480 hurting, and then they started hurting other people. 1194 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,040 Hurt people, hurt people. Healed people heal people. 1195 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,080 All right, so we got questions on YouTube and I wanted to share 1196 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:41,440 them because I promised people I would. 1197 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,520 So let's do a couple people are really excited to be able to ask 1198 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,720 you, so I'm going to start for a few. 1199 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,160 This is one that just said, how do you respond to? 1200 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,040 We kind of touched on this, but we'll just do it more directly. 1201 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,400 How do you respond to children and teenagers who identify as 1202 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,160 part of the LGBT TQ Plus community without severing the 1203 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,040 all important trust that children should have in their 1204 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,840 parents? So this is particularly younger 1205 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,200 kids. I think they're asking about 1206 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,360 what do I do if my kid comes home from school and he's he or 1207 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,920 she is identifying that way. Yeah, I think when it comes to 1208 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,040 little kids, remembering your role as a parent, like if my I 1209 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,200 don't have children, but like if my nephew came home and he's 1210 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,480 like, so tonight I'm going to eat Snickers, I'd be like, no, 1211 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,760 you're not actually. And do you know why? 1212 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,000 And I want to tell you why, right? 1213 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,680 And so I think sometimes we're so easy to lay rules down, but 1214 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,600 there's not like little people, all people, we all want to know. 1215 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,960 And so to actually just have conversation or ask questions 1216 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,280 before you even lay something down, like, hey, you know what? 1217 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,960 What makes you feel like you are attracted the opposite sex? 1218 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,040 Like when did this start for you? 1219 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,400 Explore. Explore and just listen. 1220 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,880 Just listen, right? We OK, but I know the answer. 1221 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,760 I understand. But do you want to tell them the 1222 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,760 answer or do you want that answer to actually come up 1223 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,040 within them? And that's when it becomes real, 1224 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,200 right? That's when it's going to become 1225 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,120 real is when someone realizes it for themselves. 1226 01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:08,560 Oh my gosh, I actually feel this way because the little kid told 1227 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,120 me that I was gay. And then I didn't know because I 1228 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:13,800 don't really like girls right now. 1229 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,040 That's OK. You're 8. 1230 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,000 You shouldn't, you know what I mean or whatever. 1231 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,640 Not you shouldn't, but you know what I'm saying? 1232 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,120 Like just explore with them, talk to him, listen, ask 1233 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,400 questions. What did Jesus do? 1234 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,000 He asked a lot of questions. Self revelation comes in. 1235 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,320 I don't mean. Even though he knew all the 1236 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,320 answers, he knew every answer, but he was doing it for the sake 1237 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,360 of the person, which is exactly what you're saying. 1238 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,040 They need to go through the process of understanding 1239 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,320 themselves. Yeah. 1240 01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,120 And and somebody could take that and just, oh, so they're going 1241 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,480 to do whatever. No, but it's a process. 1242 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,560 I mean, if if my mom would have maybe done that with me, like, 1243 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,160 hey, why do you feel that way? Not just come quickly with an 1244 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000 answer. You know what, I'm not blaming 1245 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:50,640 her anything, but we're all learning, right? 1246 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,960 But I don't think we let, I don't think we walk with people 1247 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,840 enough, even our own little people that go. 1248 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,920 Well, it can be scary, I think for a parent and for anyone just 1249 01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,640 as like, where's this walk going to take me? 1250 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,840 And what if I'm unprepared? And that's the thing. 1251 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,280 It's like even if you don't know what to say with the information 1252 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,960 you're given, you can. It's an ongoing relationship. 1253 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,760 Pray, talk to a counselor, talk to the guidance, but you know, 1254 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,680 have the courage to dive. In absolutely and stay in right 1255 01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,600 and not just want a quick fix and then also as they're 1256 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,040 struggling with that. That's a great time. 1257 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,200 Like, Hey, do you think God says that about you like bring Jesus 1258 01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,240 into this, you know, when he met so and so in the Bible, like how 1259 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,880 do you think that person felt, you know, and, and make him real 1260 01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,640 for the person you're raising up, right? 1261 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,360 Like the I the chosen, I know people have different things, 1262 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:41,320 but that kind of reveals the realness of Jesus that he felt 1263 01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,040 he, you know, and so I think as you're you're asking these 1264 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,160 questions, you can gently bring Jesus into it, but not right 1265 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,000 away, not to, you know, put him on defense, but just this 1266 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:56,320 incorporating and pray ask Holy Spirit, how do I walk through 1267 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,440 this? I don't think we Bray enough. 1268 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,320 Like so true. Guide me, you know. 1269 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,360 So true. Here's another one and I've 1270 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,640 heard this question before. I think it was even comments on 1271 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,360 the YouTube video we did before, but the podcast we did before. 1272 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,800 But what do you think causes homosexual desires to originate? 1273 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,400 Does it stem from inherent proclivities towards certain 1274 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,040 types of sin due to fall familiar issues, abuse, other 1275 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,200 factors? There's actually several other 1276 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,320 at least another two questions about abuse. 1277 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,280 You know, I, my personal experience, you know, with 1278 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,840 friends who have not so much I think lesbian, but more 1279 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:32,520 homosexual gay men. The thing that's been common 1280 01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,920 that I know from several in you know, my life or kind of 1 1281 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,800 connection to my life is child sexual abuse and trauma. 1282 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,360 Not saying that's every person with same sex attraction, but it 1283 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,400 seems to be a very prevalent theme. 1284 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:49,440 What's your take on that? So I've seen very similar right? 1285 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,520 In my personal experience, I didn't have any sexual abuse at 1286 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,160 all. I think it is very different. 1287 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:01,120 I think wounds kind of, they happen from different things and 1288 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,040 then they ooze differently, you know? 1289 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,280 And so for me, I know many people who have had sexual 1290 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,040 abuse, right? And that kind of led them either 1291 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,880 towards that. Like a gentleman was abused when 1292 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,680 he was young by a male. That was his first sexual 1293 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,840 experience, though he knew it was wrong. 1294 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,760 Just instinctively, not even raised in church, just knew it 1295 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,160 wasn't right. That was his first experience. 1296 01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,480 So that's kind of where naturally kind of his body 1297 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,240 started to take him because that's when he experienced that. 1298 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,080 Then some go the other opposite way. 1299 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,560 And there's, there's so many different things. 1300 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,400 But I think also the realness of what's happened in your 1301 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,520 childhood. It doesn't always look like 1302 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,800 sexual abuse. It could be, man, my mom put me 1303 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,240 in daycare because she had to work, you know? 1304 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,520 And so this young girl, this little girl growing up didn't 1305 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,160 have a lot of mom time, didn't have a lot of the nurture that 1306 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,400 was needed that we actually created for. 1307 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,120 And so was long. And that's more my story. 1308 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,120 Like my mom didn't go to work, but just on the emotional level 1309 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,160 from her own mom. She didn't know how to give 1310 01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,600 that. And so she could only give what 1311 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,000 we receive, right? And so I know I was always a 1312 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:14,920 longing for like, and it was always older women for me, which 1313 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,200 is kind of interesting, kind of that mom type for her attention, 1314 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,760 but emotional attention just see me not just like correct me and 1315 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,320 this and that. So I think it can be a multitude 1316 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,400 of things. And Satan will use anything. 1317 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,440 He'll use any sort of abuse, neglect to just direct us not 1318 01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,120 just towards homosexuality, but towards, you know, just 1319 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,560 anything, right? That is not God's way instead of 1320 01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,360 going towards healing. So I have found in many cases, 1321 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,760 myself included, when you go back to your childhood, when you 1322 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,320 learn that God is safe and you let him kind of review your 1323 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,640 childhood and maybe some areas that we're lacking that he 1324 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,920 actually wants to go back and heal those places. 1325 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,800 I mean, and he can do that. And I've experienced that and 1326 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,000 I'm continuing to experience that. 1327 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,720 And I've seen that in a lot of my friends as well. 1328 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,840 So it's beautiful, but I don't think there's a one answer. 1329 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,160 Yeah, it's, it's going to be multiple experiences for 1330 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,720 different people. I've heard that before many 1331 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,160 times. And there's a famous 1332 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,160 psychiatrist named Joseph, Doctor Joseph Nicolosi. 1333 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,320 I don't know if you've heard of him, but yeah, but I was, you 1334 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,920 know, been reading some of his work and it's, you know, very 1335 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,320 countercultural, politically incorrect. 1336 01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,720 But he has these different theories that he's seen proven 1337 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,960 out again again in his practice. Now, I think his son took it 1338 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,280 over since his passing, but that they're sort of for the he he 1339 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,040 focuses on like homosexual behavior in men, but he and 1340 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,720 attraction. But he was saying that for these 1341 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,240 a lot of these men, they, you know, have sometimes overbearing 1342 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,720 or overly emotionally involved mothers. 1343 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,200 And so the feminine is so familiar. 1344 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,920 It's almost sometimes repugnant, repugnant, like too much. 1345 01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,520 But then they have these masculine figures that are more 1346 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,800 distant. And so they the thing that you 1347 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,960 can become sexually attracted to or you kind of eroticize is the 1348 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,160 thing that's mysterious to you that you're you're hungry for. 1349 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,320 And so if you read this book of your childhood, for a lot of 1350 01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,080 these folks that he treats, it's like they just he discovers 1351 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,960 these common themes of these mothers way too entangled, like 1352 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,080 they never let the little boy grow. 1353 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,920 Up, yeah, kind of helicopter. Helicopter Well-intentioned I'm. 1354 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,320 Sure, Yeah, well-intentioned. I'm sure. 1355 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,360 The best thing? But then this father that is 1356 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,280 mystery, too much of A mystery to the boy, so he never can 1357 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:30,080 fully step into his manhood as a male and so he he's craving the 1358 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,760 masculine and it becomes eroticized. 1359 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,880 Absolutely. So what I would also say is I 1360 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,200 see this outside of homosexuality too. 1361 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,240 I see this when women are pursuing men to a place that is 1362 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,120 not how God had it right. Like we can see this in any. 1363 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,640 Because disorder sexuality figure and that's so true. 1364 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,440 That's like the common, you know, story of that young woman 1365 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,360 who's just seeking male attention desperately because 1366 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,360 she didn't get what she needed as a kid. 1367 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,240 Or got too much on this end. And not so our childhood, so 1368 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,080 many people are like, that doesn't matter. 1369 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,800 I was a kid. It matters. 1370 01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,160 Our childhood matters So many of our formative years. 1371 01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,120 I mean, like, I don't have a pH D, so I'm not trying to, but I'm 1372 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,400 very blessed to be around a lot of people who do. 1373 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,360 And I'm seeing it in my own life. 1374 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,160 I'm seeing it in my own life. It's not only because this is 1375 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,520 what the books say. Know when you've experienced 1376 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,760 something like I'm seeing healing in my life from kind of 1377 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,280 going back into my childhood. 11 ministry. 1378 01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:32,200 That's so good. Is the JP 2 healing center. 1379 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,360 Yes, we had done Doctor Bob shoots. 1380 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,160 We had him on a few weeks ago. So good, so good, so true. 1381 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,240 Like I just so recommend that for anyone who's struggling, not 1382 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,560 just with homosexuality, whatever it be, don't be afraid 1383 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,200 to let God bring you back and show you some things in your 1384 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,960 childhood. And that's not to blame. 1385 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,320 That's not to give excuses to do whatever we want or to live a 1386 01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,840 certain way. It's for healing. 1387 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,600 And I felt like the Lord showed me this years ago. 1388 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,960 Is Kim. I reveal to heal. 1389 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,320 He reveals to heal so. Beautiful not to hurt but to 1390 01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,560 heal. Another question that we got is 1391 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,480 should I attend my son or my friend's gay wedding? 1392 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,520 Yes, that is a very common question and I think when we 1393 01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,520 answer that one, you need to pray. 1394 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,640 We forget as Christians that prayer is a part of everything, 1395 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,640 right? Like I pray about what I'm going 1396 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,560 to wear. I didn't today, but usually so 1397 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,479 in that we need to come from a place of prayer. 1398 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:27,960 God, what are you saying in this? 1399 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,479 And so for me personally, I would not go to a same sex 1400 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,439 union. I I do not believe Jesus 1401 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,319 celebrates it. And so I can't celebrate it in 1402 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,000 the person I love either. This is The thing is this is not 1403 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,520 just that either I check yes or I check no, I show up or I 1404 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,160 don't. There needs to be conversation 1405 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,319 because whoever's inviting you to their wedding cares for you. 1406 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,000 They invited you to something that is intimate, something is 1407 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,040 special to them, right? And so I think to, to go about 1408 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,000 this relationally, if you're not going to attend, I think there 1409 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,040 needs to be some conversations like I love you. 1410 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,479 I love you. And this is hard for me because 1411 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:08,920 there is a part of me that wants to just support anything and 1412 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,240 everything you do. But then there's this real part 1413 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:15,279 of me that just can't. And it's not because I'm not 1414 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,760 allowed to, it's because I believe there's something more, 1415 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:21,520 whatever the Lord is doing. But we cannot veer from truth, 1416 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,279 you guys, if we just start celebrating everything. 1417 01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,600 What did Jesus celebrate? He sat with sinners. 1418 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:32,279 He ate with sinners, absolutely, but He did not celebrate their 1419 01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:34,040 sin. We have to remember that. 1420 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,000 So yes, we can eat with one another. 1421 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,359 We gather, we commune, we talk, but we don't celebrate. 1422 01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,359 And when you go to someone's wedding, you're celebrating that 1423 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,600 you're not just having a meal with them, you're celebrating 1424 01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,160 what they're doing. I mean, back in the day, right? 1425 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,560 Hey, if anybody disagrees, stand up. 1426 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,680 They don't do that anymore. Too many people be standing up. 1427 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,840 But in that like you are in agreement. 1428 01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,520 You're a witness. You're a witness. 1429 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:02,480 So from that vantage point, there isn't there isn't a way to 1430 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,160 go to a gay wedding I I've heard in truth. 1431 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,120 I've heard some people say I go but they know I don't support 1432 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:09,960 him. Like, but you're going. 1433 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,600 And you're, what are you doing? Not sharing the champagne, you 1434 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,680 know, not not drinking wine and. Here's my thing. 1435 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,680 What about all the people that you're sitting at the table 1436 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,120 with? Because so some people are like, 1437 01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,200 oh, I told them that I'm not in support, but I love you. 1438 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,280 So I'm going. But now when I'm sitting at the 1439 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,560 table, not with the bride and groom, right? 1440 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,240 I'm sitting amongst others and they're like, oh, so are you so 1441 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,560 happy for him? No, right, like are you going to 1442 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,680 be that brutally honest? And now you're actually, so I 1443 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,960 don't know to me if I was honest and said, Hey, I'm going to go 1444 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,080 to your wedding, but I really don't agree. 1445 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,280 And if anybody asks me, I'm going to be honest. 1446 01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,760 They're going to be like, you know, why don't you just stay 1447 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,080 home, right? Like just don't go Because if 1448 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,360 I'm going to go, I'm going to go in truth, not to ruin what 1449 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,400 they're doing, but I'm not going to sit at the table and say, 1450 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,840 yes, I'm I'm so excited for them. 1451 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:56,720 But here's the here's the deal. If we're not going to go to a 1452 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,320 same sex union based on truth, then what are you going to do 1453 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,680 when your friend or your son who's dating his girlfriend 1454 01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,720 bought a house and they have a house warming party? 1455 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,080 And they're going to go live together and they're going to 1456 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:09,600 live wedding. Yeah. 1457 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,760 You got to be consistent. You got it. 1458 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,320 Or you're going to take your son's girlfriend on vacation and 1459 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,880 you just give him one room. Like we got to be consistent 1460 01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,680 when it comes to to sin. Yes, God is consistent and if we 1461 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,080 want to echo what God has put forth, we don't determine what 1462 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,000 sin is. We either agree or disagree with 1463 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,360 it, but he says what sin is. And so we get culturally really 1464 01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,440 messed up and it's honestly hurting the LGBT community as 1465 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,480 well because they're like, wait, so I am sinning, but yet my 1466 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:40,440 brother who's been hooking up with his girlfriend, he's not 1467 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,720 she's not getting they're not getting the third degree like I 1468 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,520 am when I just said I was dating the same sex, right? 1469 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,800 And. That's where the phobia 1470 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,440 accusation comes. Like you are just phobic against 1471 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,720 this. Another one that I think is very 1472 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,600 controversial, and this is from especially, I think maybe it's 1473 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,920 more easy to understand in Catholic circles because the 1474 01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,600 Catholic Church has very strong teachings against contraception, 1475 01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,240 but. You better. 1476 01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:05,560 You know, if you are getting married and you're like, well, 1477 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,040 I'm going to contracept as a married couple, I'm not going to 1478 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,880 have kids or I'm going to wait a long time to have kids. 1479 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,840 We're not ready. You know that's sterilized sex 1480 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,520 you're having. Well, you're playing God. 1481 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,760 It's playing God, but just to kind of compare it directly to 1482 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,480 like the LGBT stuff, like what's the big problem with 1483 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,000 homosexuality in God's eyes? It's not one man, one woman with 1484 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,800 fertility. You can't have fertility 1485 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,800 naturally. Well, if you're a heterosexual 1486 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,560 couple but you're sterilizing the sexual act, how is your 1487 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,880 sexual act different than a same sex sexual? 1488 01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,240 Act exactly. And that's why we are actually 1489 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,640 self destructing because we're standing so firm in certain 1490 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,920 areas of sin and even sexual sin, but we're not in others. 1491 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,480 And we've accepted things that God never accepted and never 1492 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,720 laid forth. So if sexual sin hurts, it hurts 1493 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,160 everybody, whether it be homosexual or heterosexual sin. 1494 01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,280 And there's a reality of both. So when I have parents reach out 1495 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,920 and they're like, my daughter came out as a lesbian, what do I 1496 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,800 do? I said, you have a son, like 1497 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,320 yes, but my daughter, I'm like, does your son have a girlfriend? 1498 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,680 Yes, great girl, great. You know, they try to bring it 1499 01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,160 right back. I'm like, are you just as 1500 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:15,560 concerned about your son and his girlfriend as you are about your 1501 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,440 daughter? And if you're not, I'm concerned 1502 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:21,560 for you. Sexual sin is prevalent and we 1503 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,200 need to pay attention to it no matter what, in our own lives 1504 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,280 and in others. First and foremost in our own 1505 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,440 lives and the places that we are maybe sinning and justifying so. 1506 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,560 OK, so how can people learn about Forgotten Faces 1507 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,520 Unforgotten? Yeah, that's good. 1508 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,600 Not forgotten. Or not unforgotten. 1509 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,160 Thank you to Kim. Well, I don't think that's a 1510 01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:42,520 word. That's the problem. 1511 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,040 Did. Unforgotten, I don't believe is 1512 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,080 even actually like a word. Somebody told me that I'm like, 1513 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:48,480 well, great, that's how you make new words. 1514 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,920 So I love. It I think it's great. 1515 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,120 How could you unforget? Well, God sees them, you see 1516 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:54,520 them. I love that because you, I mean, 1517 01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,560 you went there at 23. You started this ministry. 1518 01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,040 Yeah. We didn't even talk about it a 1519 01:13:58,040 --> 01:13:59,920 lot. But I want people to hear a 1520 01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:01,640 little more. And then how can they support 1521 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,640 unforgotten faces in Ethiopia? Absolutely, and we do. 1522 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,320 And what do you do? What are you doing on the ground 1523 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:06,960 there? Amen. 1524 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:13,520 So we the very call I felt was to help little kids with single 1525 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,800 moms. And so then as I went there and 1526 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,960 the Lord was just opening up more and more and showing me it 1527 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,960 also opened up to single dads and then single grandmas and 1528 01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,240 single grandpas. So it's single caregivers is 1529 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,800 really where I felt the Lord was asking me to go in and help. 1530 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,160 And it's such an I know people's like it's so cliche, but we 1531 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:32,400 really do teach eat them out of fish. 1532 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,520 We don't want to just hand fish because if we ever have to 1533 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,400 leave, where they, how are they going to live? 1534 01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,000 And so we're all about self sustainability within the 1535 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,040 family. So we take care of the little 1536 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,800 kids of the single caregiver while we're working with the 1537 01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:48,440 single parent on what do you like to do? 1538 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:51,560 What do you gifted at? Can we help you find a lane that 1539 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,840 you can actually run in like God has gifted you, right? 1540 01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,880 And so we walk beside the parent while we're doing that. 1541 01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,360 We take care of food, education and health care for their child 1542 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,280 to just kind of relieve a little bit of that financial pressure. 1543 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,280 Their child is taken care of. We do not take them into another 1544 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,400 home. We want to build up family. 1545 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,200 And so we teach the kids how to be helpful around the house, you 1546 01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:19,000 know, and so we do a lot around working with the children and 1547 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,760 then the single parent. And it's been incredible. 1548 01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,080 We have testimonies after testimonies of these single moms 1549 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,080 that are now helping other people in their village. 1550 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,120 We didn't even know about it. And it's been incredible. 1551 01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,120 So we have a little over 450 kids. 1552 01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:38,160 And so, yeah, so a couple 100 moms and single dads and some 1553 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:38,640 single. Grand. 1554 01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,320 So can you sponsor a mom? You can. 1555 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,000 Still, we did that for a long time. 1556 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,440 I love that idea, but so it is. A lot of admin. 1557 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,800 It's yeah, it's a not-for-profit and that means I don't get paid 1558 01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,960 either. So all the book sales go 1559 01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,880 towards. Rainbow revivals not paying you 1560 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,120 and they're not paying you. Who's? 1561 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:55,960 Thank God I got a father that pays me. 1562 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,400 Real estate was really good to me. 1563 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,120 Wow. But he he's just God continues 1564 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,680 to take care. But yeah, I don't get paid so. 1565 01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,080 How can people donate? They go to unforgottenfaces.org. 1566 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,120 It is a 5O1C3 and every penny goes. 1567 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,040 So that was something the Lord put on my heart. 1568 01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,040 Every penny goes. So we have a team in Ethiopia, 1569 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,680 but they're all Ethiopian, right? 1570 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,200 And so everything is Ethiopian run. 1571 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,720 I'm the only American and I'm not paid either. 1572 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,400 And so, yeah. But we do need help, especially 1573 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,520 as the Lord, because that's what I was doing for a long time. 1574 01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,920 I could raise support and fundraise and do different 1575 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,800 events, but now with sharing about my testimony, you know, 1576 01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,280 and going everywhere, I don't have a lot of time to do that. 1577 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,640 So that is a way that people can support. 1578 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,000 But it's such an exciting opportunity to know that your 1579 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,200 money can go directly to help those in need. 1580 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,320 That's really because I know, I mean, there's other amazing 1581 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,080 organizations like World Vision or, you know, all of these 1582 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,360 things, but. Admin costs aren't bad. 1583 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,920 No, it was just the call I felt. But there's something really 1584 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,680 special about getting to directly serve in that way A. 1585 01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,440 Dollar given a dollar. Unforgottenfaces.org and then 1586 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,680 Rainbow Revival. How can people support Rainbow 1587 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:01,000 Revival? Because I want to see the 1588 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,360 Freedom March in every city in America. 1589 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:04,200 Amen. Come on. 1590 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,680 So how do we support Rainbow Revival? 1591 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,920 We kind of have three points and it's prey partner and so, so 1592 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,080 none of us are paid on the team either. 1593 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:17,200 And so all the money that is raised goes directly to whatever 1594 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:21,280 the costs are to do these, you know, pop up events. 1595 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,360 And so yeah, go to rainbowrevival.org and you can 1596 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,480 check out, we're A5O1C3 as well. So that's separate and. 1597 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,800 I want to pay you cash like here full time. 1598 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,640 It's kind of incredible. Yeah, I love it. 1599 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:36,840 I love it. You know what? 1600 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,520 And it's not, I love when people get paid for things I do. 1601 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,040 I totally support that. I help support people who do get 1602 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,080 paid for ministry. But I do love that I'm in a 1603 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,000 position where I don't have to. Incredible, you know? 1604 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,960 And so in that, I mean, I'm not loaded either, but I, I've got 1605 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,320 pretty low, low, I, I can live low level. 1606 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,800 So, but in that with Rainbow Revival, you can show up, you 1607 01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,480 can spread the word. We're going to do the event 1608 01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:02,120 October 21st in Dallas. So you can come. 1609 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,000 What we want to see is we want to see not only the body of 1610 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,160 Christ come together, but when I say that ecumenical, we want to 1611 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,760 see Catholics, evangelicals, Protestant, all the different 1612 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,600 Lutherans, Baptist, like we need to pull together. 1613 01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,240 And you, my dear, have seen how when the body of Christ comes 1614 01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,960 together, giants. Fall, it's true. 1615 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,760 You watched an arm of a giant fall off with in the pro-life 1616 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,400 circle right? We believe the other arm is the 1617 01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,040 LGBT. Not people, but the agendas. 1618 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,840 Ideology. We have to come together as a 1619 01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,280 body of Christ. That's true. 5050 years of 1620 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,840 marching against Roe V Wade and it with prayer, I mean, so many 1621 01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,040 like little ladies praying their rosaries in church and you know, 1622 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,880 the International House of Prayer, tons of prayer. 1623 01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,120 Christina, the live action team praying with Lou Engel since she 1624 01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:54,840 was like 20 years old and she's on our team. 1625 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,680 And but those prayers for the end of abortion, that fall of 1626 01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,520 Roe. Obviously our fight's not over 1627 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,720 yet in the fight for life, but you are doing the same in this 1628 01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,560 fight. We're we're partnered in these 1629 01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,080 different parts of the cultural spiritual battle. 1630 01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,800 So how can you donate? To go to 1631 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,240 rainbowrevivalrainbowrevival.org. We we are paying out bills and 1632 01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,520 we thank God. He helped Kim pay those bills, 1633 01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,720 guys. He does it every time, but it's 1634 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,320 a little close, closer than we'd like. 1635 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,400 So it's coming off October 21st. So if you feel. 1636 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,000 When's your next big event? It is October 21st. 1637 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:25,800 You got it. OK. 1638 01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:26,480 Yep. All right. 1639 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:27,760 Great. Well, we'll be releasing this 1640 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,560 before then, so hopefully that will help. 1641 01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,800 Thank you, Kim. I mean, so amazing. 1642 01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,840 And then to follow you, your speaking, your writing, your 1643 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:36,400 ministry, where do people do that? 1644 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:38,720 I guess I have a social media it's. 1645 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,040 Good, it's. Starting, I don't really love 1646 01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,960 that stuff, but it it's helpful and I'm thankful for those who. 1647 01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,160 So yeah, you can just look up Kim Zember and I love to hear 1648 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,200 from people. My turn around time. 1649 01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,880 I'm only one person, so it's not the greatest, but eventually I 1650 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,600 will get back to you and try to plug you into places that will 1651 01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,760 walk with you, journey with you if you're struggling or whatever 1652 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:01,960 it might be. There's some beautiful 1653 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,600 ministries out there that I'm I'm just honored to be able to 1654 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,520 tell people about so. Beautiful. 1655 01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,600 Thank you. Thank you so much, Kim. 1656 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,600 Hey guys, Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the 1657 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,160 Lila Rose Podcast with Kim Zember. 1658 01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,760 I hope the conversation was encouraging and inspiring for 1659 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:18,640 you. It was for me. 1660 01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:20,080 It's always so good to talk to Kim. 1661 01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:25,000 Please don't forget to check out unforgottenfaces.org and Rainbow 1662 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,040 revival.org. And please support Kim's amazing 1663 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,800 work. Also, if you're listening and 1664 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,400 you're not part of the Patreon community, join the Patreon 1665 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:34,760 community. We'd love to have you. 1666 01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,360 We're going to do a live stream next month just for our patrons. 1667 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:40,280 This is the way we're going to help grow the podcast along with 1668 01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,080 our sponsors. We're really excited about it. 1669 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,480 It's really fun. Check it out at the link in the 1670 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,800 bio. Become a patron at any amount 1671 01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,240 per month, although I'll take $100 a month if you want to give 1672 01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,800 it, but whatever amount you've got and it will help grow the 1673 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:52,840 podcast. 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