No, masculinity is a positive thing.
And you know who believes that more than anybody?
Women. Liberal women believe that.
And here's how you know, we need more men that understand that
it's not good enough to just be intelligent.
It's not good enough to just be wealthy.
And ultimately, it's not good enough to just be strong, too.
You have to be honorable. You have to be noble.
It's protect, it's like it's oriented.
It's not. It's the difference between I
want to be capable because I want the Bugatti and the women
versus I want to be capable because I want to be able to be
there for the people I love and the moment they need me the
most. Nick Freitas, welcome back to
the podcast. Oh, it's great to be back on
Lila. Thanks for having me.
You're amazing. Green Beret, combat veteran,
elected House of the Virginia House of Delegates.
Also social media and podcast sensation.
I think you're in many ways like the new Jordan Peterson for
many, many young men. And I'm grateful it's you
because you're doing a phenomenal job of it.
So, yeah, thanks for coming on. I think there's a lot to a lot
to catch up on and talk about. Well, I, I really appreciate it.
I'll, I'll, I'll take all those compliments even though I'm
deserving of none. So you were, you are right.
Now, I know you're working, you have multiple jobs, but one of
your key jobs is you are with the Virginia House of Delegates.
You're an elected, elected member, and you just did a crazy
vote yesterday. Can you just share what you've
been up to in the last couple days?
Sure. Well, the, the Democrats control
the Virginia General Assembly by one seat in the House and one
seat in the Senate. We have a, a pretty, a pretty
detailed process for many in the Constitution of Virginia.
And one of the things that you have to understand about the way
that process works is the governor has nothing to do with
it. It's the House, the Senate, and
a referendum to the people. And the way it needs to work is
in order to pass the constitutional amendment, you
have to pass it through the House and the Senate one year,
have an intervening election, then pass the exact same
language to the House and the Senate the following year.
Then it goes to the referendum for the people.
And the three, three amendments that they proposed was an
automatic restoration of voting rights for convicted felons upon
the completion of their sentence, which there's elements
of that that I agree with. The problem is that some of the
most egregious crimes get treated like, you know, petty
larceny. There was the they're they're
enshrining same sex marriage. They're attempting to enshrine
not just same sex marriage, but a differentiation between sex
and gender in the Virginia Constitution.
And then HJ one, which is arguably the most pro abortion,
it's arguably the most pro abortion policy and almost
anywhere in the world. I, I think North Korea beats us
out, but it is, it is more extreme than anything that you
would see in Europe, more extreme than anything that you
would see in again, any other state.
It would essentially allow abortion all the way up to the
point of birth and the third trimester.
All you would need is 1 doctor and that includes the
abortionist to say that you need it for mental health reasons.
So if you say that pregnancy makes you stressed, then the
doctor that's getting paid to perform your abortion can bless
off and say yes, you need an abortion at month 9.
And so we're going to perform that very robust floor debates.
We had some guys do a great job, Delegate Mark Early, Delegate
Carrie Coyner, Delegate Tom Garrett and myself all spoke on
this Delegate Tim Griffin and it passed 51 to 49.
And so that's that is the state of things in the Commonwealth of
Virginia. And, and this would have been,
this would have been thought, this would have been unthinkable
five years ago, but here we are. What is your take on how we got
to that place politically? I mean, I have a lot of
opinions, as you know. I know you have opinions we're
dealing with. We're about to have the
inauguration of, you know, President Donald Trump.
And he's, you know, obviously on the right, he's elected as a
Republican, all of this. But he has backed down on life
in a lot of ways, which has been really tough.
And I think that sent a message to a lot of other politicians.
Someone Like You who I think is doing an incredible job, is
persuasively standing for life and fighting for the protection
of children. But unfortunately, there's other
politicians that are not doing that.
And then certainly the Democrat side, there's complete chaos.
I mean, everyone's just pro abortion endlessly.
But what's your take on how things have changed so quickly,
especially in Virginia, in the last five years?
There's a lot of things we can point to and I, I don't want to
over, I don't want to oversimplify it, right?
I I think that we, there's both a political side of this and a
cultural side to this. And we could, we could sit here
and wax intellectual about postmodernism and
deconstructionism and rampant hedonistic secularism and
everything. And all those are, are useful
conversations. But here's one statistic that I
think tells us a lot about how we got to where we are when
roughly 85% of sex education curriculum is blessed off and
approved by the abortion industry.
What you have is a systematic approach in order to change the
way that young people think about a particular topic.
And Speaking of Jordan Peterson there, there's a book that he
talks about called Ordinary Men. And one of the things that they
tried to analyze and that is how do you convince otherwise
caring, compassionate people to agree to truly horrendous
things? And when you start to understand
that it's this, it's this process of of dehumanization, of
flipping the victim, this versus perpetrator narrative.
And then perhaps the most pernicious of all of it is when
you can convince somebody that what they're doing is for the
good of the victim, you can get someone to not only agree to do
something, but celebrate it. And I, and I think that says a
lot about where we are culturally, is that there's been
a concerted effort, not just within politics, but within
education and within Hollywood and popular culture to convince
women that pregnancy is something that stands in the way
of them being able to achieve the things that they want.
And that if there's any chance that a child is going to grow up
in an environment that less is less than ideal, then it is
actually an act of compassion and responsibility to kill that
child. And if you can convince people
of that, then again, they won't just support it, they'll
celebrate it. And that's where we're at.
And it's been a long process, but it's here.
Well, and I think it's the direct fruit, and we've talked
about this, I know before, and you talk about this a lot, you
know, masculinity, femininity, the fruit of modern feminism,
the sexual revolution, all of these things.
And you end up with right is left, up is down, you know,
complete moral chaos and people just not seeing a life is a
life. What is sex designed for?
What is marriage? All these things.
There are two things that. Yeah, go ahead.
Can I say one thing on that too? Because I, I said, I said what
they've convinced young women of, but I think we also need, we
also need to understand what they've convinced young men of.
They've, they've convinced young men that every instinct that
they would have to protect a woman, protect a child, as in,
in many respects, just been beaten out of them.
This idea of a, a healthy look at masculinity, everything has
been encapsulated this, this false concept of toxic
masculinity. And the end result is, is that
rather than correcting for certain behaviors, which, which
may have, may have needed reform or, or, or a different way of
looking at something, they just simply branded masculinity is
the problem. And I think a lot of a lot of
men have been not only and not only just giving up on, they
haven't just given up on the responsibility because that's
what they wanted to do. They were deliberately told
that's what they should be doing, that this is this is not
their issue. And the end result is, is that a
lot of men looked at it as, OK, this is not my issue.
And when you look at young women in crisis with respect to
whether or not they're going to keep their child, the most
influential person in that decision making process is
generally whether or not the father of the child is going to
stand by them and the child. And if he says that he's going
to do that, the odds of them keeping the child increase
significantly. And that tends to change one's
mindset about how they look at this issue.
But if they go through with the abortion, then all of a sudden
there's the sense of loss, there's the sense of shame, of
pain, of abandonment. And now they're looking for
someone to support them in the abortion industry.
And the abortion movement is more than happy to pretend as if
they're they're real family. And I think that men need to
understand that they play an incredibly important role in
this process and that when they do stand up and actually fulfill
that role, it has an incredible impact on the cultural attitudes
toward this. We had a guy in studio, a former
Fire Chief, a retired fire, excuse me, a retired fire
captain, Paul Ibarra. And he used to work for the
LAFD, the Los Angeles County Fire Department.
And he was sharing about, you know, very politely because he's
like a very noble, nice guy. He's not trying to like, hurt
people or be mean. He's there.
He served as a firefighter for, I think it was 37 years, you
know, doing incredible stuff, helping save lives, helping
protect homes and cities and everything else.
And he was talking about how, like, he's basically talking
about DEI and how no longer is the firefighting mantra like,
find the best man for the job, you know, find men that have.
He talked about virtue. They're strong.
I mean, Paul is, you know, 6/1. He said 200.
Now he's like a big guy. He was saying now it's about
like inclusivity, like everybody should be, you know, able to be
a firefighter if they want. And then the the head of the
fire, the head of the fire department now in Los Angeles
responding to these crazy fires out here is a woman.
She's lesbian. And she's on record saying we
need to be more inclusive. We need more people who look
like me to be here at the fire department.
There's also this viral clip going around.
I don't know if we can pull it up to play at Harrah's.
I'm putting on the spot here, but there's a viral clip going
around of a firefighter in Los Angeles, a woman, I don't know
if she's like LGBT identified, whatever.
And you you probably saw this next.
We actually, we actually just did a reel on this.
Of course you did. Before yesterday, yeah, Said,
you know, I've had somebody ask me, could you pull my husband
out of a fire? To which I respond, if your
husband got himself in a fire, he got himself in the wrong
place and. Like it's his fault.
The ultimate victim shaming. Well, and I did a response to
that and I said, you know, I got a slightly different take on
this. I think this was the only person
in the Los Angeles Fire Department actually being honest
with what you could expect in a fire.
Wow. This is, This is what happens
when you prioritize characteristics that have
nothing to do with the substance of the job.
And, and I've been, I've been working through this in my mind
for a while now to try to explain in a way that I would
hope people would understand why concepts like DEI are so
harmful, not just to the people you think, but to everybody.
And, and it was fascinating. I was, I was, I was watching
something about Jackie Robinson and I've, I've always been a
Dodgers fan. And so I was a big Jackie
Robinson fan. It was like, you know, the the
number of ball clubs that refused to make their team
better because they elevated characteristics that had nothing
to do with the substance of the job versus those characteristics
would had everything to do with the substance of the job is
incredible. And it didn't just hurt Jackie
Robinson, you know, and delay him being able to play in the
major leagues. It actually hurt every ball
club. It hurt everybody that was
watching baseball because they were all being denied the best
game possible. And it's, and it's tragic when
people are denied opportunities and denied the best game
possible because of arbitrary and superficial reasons.
But it is absolutely horrifying when you do the same thing in
professions and situations where lives are on the line instead of
runs. And, and that's where we're at
right now. And it and it doesn't make
anybody better. It doesn't make anybody better.
You do not do anybody a favor by putting them in a job for which
they have no capacity to perform the necessary tasks.
In fact, what you do is you deny someone with the necessary skill
sets the opportunity. You deny the person that would
rely on competent performance, the ability to be served
correctly, and then you deny the person that you've supposedly
given an opportunity to of finding a place that their
talents and skill sets are more suited toward.
And so everybody loses. Everybody loses, except for the
politicians and the activists whose political power, and
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American meat delivered. It's so well said, Nick, what
you're saying? Polly Barra, the the fire guy
captain said, you know, Notre Dame football team, they're not
doing DEI for the football team. You know, let's get women in
there. Let's get people who are 5 feet
in there. Let's get like everybody's
welcome. Like, you know, they want the
best players. And so, but what's more
important to you is saying winning the Notre Dame, like
winning the Notre Dame team winning or your wife and your
child and your home and your pets and your property being
saved from a crazy life threatening event.
Like who do you want saving you, you know, in the middle of a
catastrophe, right? So, you know, you, you've been
such a wonderful voice on this. And I think you know, but but
you know, your husband, your father, you're a businessman,
you're obviously a communicator. You're a you're a politician,
you're a green Beret combat veteran.
Like this is this is this makeup that you I think, you know, I
think some people say, well, people like, you know, right now
Andrew Tate has announced that he's going to be running for
office, I guess in in Britain, you know, he's an online yeah,
you know, past, past involved in pornography, all this
entertainer. And there's this voice on the
right or people on the right who are saying the reason that men
are attracted to what you could call, yeah, there's toxic
masculinity. Let's say that that's it is
because there's a lack of masculine role models on the
right. And so I want to ask you about
that. And then I want to ask you about
some Mark Zuckerberg statements that were made recently, as well
as the Andrew Tate stuff. But let's start there because I
see you as a as a role model on the right and a great one that
like checks all the boxes. And so I don't know that there's
a lack of role models on the right.
I think maybe there's just a lack of awareness perhaps that
people may have. But I also think someone like
and Andrew Tate who has done all of this, you know, horrible
background, even just recently talking about women as sex
workers. I mean, he's not like a reformed
guy. He's going out and saying and
doing really dark things, right? He is very loud and abrasive and
knows how to obviously get go, you know, make posts on the
Internet go viral. And he has built a whole kind of
media empire for himself to do that to get clicks and
attention. And so if that's what people
think is out there, right, then that's what they might say,
well, there's not an alternative.
So what's your take on that? Because I know you're in the
media space and you're putting in the work every day and you're
reaching millions of people as well.
How do you how do you see this complaint on the from some that
there's not enough role models? So let me let me try a different
take it Andrew Tate, because I, this is another thing I thought
a lot about recently. And, and I will say this.
The left is absolutely adamant that anybody that's in the
masculine space online has to be fighting with Andrew Tate.
And I think the reason for that is because they realize they
can't take him down. Because whenever you have an
ideology like woke progressivism, which has become
increasingly built upon the idea of alienating young men, what
that means is you deprive yourself of the very thing you
need to fight. Woke doesn't win.
I've said this before. No matter who wins, it isn't
woke because you cannot win when you have completely alienated
young men. So they need men on the right to
fight Andrew Tate. And I understand this and I
understand the strategy behind it because Andrew Tate stands
for a lot of find a lot of things that I find morally
reprehensible. The the stuff that has happened
with respect to the pornography, the, you know, quasi
prostitution really is just that it's, it's horrific.
On the other side of this, there's no question that Andrew
Tate is highly intelligent, very competent, is a champion
kickboxer. I despise the business that that
he was largely in and and really made a lot of his money in, but
there's no question that he was immensely wealthy.
So if you're a young man and what you're being fed by the
left is you need to be emasculated.
If you're looking around at the right and all you see is a bunch
of men that you don't feel are willing to actually step up.
It's a it's another problem we've had in the church where
we, we have a lot of men that just maybe they are
intellectual, but they, they come off as weak.
They just come off as weak. And I'm not surprised why young
men look at someone like Andrew Tate and say, you know what, say
what you want. He's powerful, he's competent.
He's actually addressing the issues that I feel as a man.
I'm being just blamed for things I've never done or never been
guilty of. I'm being told that I'm
responsible for all of society's ills and I'm 16.
How am I responsible? And yet this guy seems to have
answers, at least for the the basic things that men tend to
want. We want respect.
We want to be, we want to be admired.
We want to be loved. We love the idea.
I mean, we, we want to, you know, we want to have a
beautiful woman like, and he's got these things.
And so I understand where young men are coming from.
And I think that there's an element to the things that
Andrew Tate has identified that are legitimate problems and in
some respects has done a very good job of effectively
discussing them. So the question is, is what is
the response from the right? If we're saying don't be that,
well, what are we giving them as an alternative?
And right now what they're seeing as well, I guess I'm
supposed to be emasculated, weak and have 47 pronouns and like,
well, I'm not going to do that. The thing that I would say is
that it, it is, it is always going to be harder to combat
what in many respects is not totally, but certainly more
hedonistic in nature because there's, there's that impulse to
want nice things to again, want beautiful women.
Like all of that. Like there's, that's just there.
It's it's easy to identify and it's easy to sell.
We need more men that understand that it's not good enough to
just be intelligent. It's not good enough to just be,
you know, wealthy. And ultimately it's not good
enough to just be strong too. You have to be honorable.
You have to be noble. And you don't, you don't get
that through secular humanism. There has to be an objective
standard of right and wrong in order for you to even have a
concept of honor and nobility. And so I was speaking at, I was
speaking at liberty a while back and I said, you want to know why
nice guys finished last? Because they should.
He said Jesus was not a nice guy.
He was intelligent, he was compassionate, he was tender,
but he was also incredibly bold, courageous, willing to
sacrifice, willing to endure pain, willing to engage in
physical violence when necessary, but all for an
incredibly pure purpose and to protect the innocent from those
that would harm and exploit them, up to and including his
own life. Now, obviously, I believe that
Jesus is more than a man. I believe he's the son of God.
But the idea that he would take that privileged position he has
as God and actually take on human Fort in order to endure
all of that, he provided us the perfect example of courage and
honor and nobility. And you know what we get in our
churches? Nice guy Jesus, don't offend
anyone. Be tolerant.
The truth is offensive to those who reject it.
I I should be compassionate toward people, but I should
never be tolerant of evil. And so I think it's relatively
simple. If you're going to get up and
you're going to tell young men what you think they should do,
the first question you should ask yourself is have you put
yourself in a position to be the sort of person they'd even want
to listen to? Leadership is a responsibility.
It's not something you just get one day.
It's not something you get by virtue even of position or age.
You have to get it through competence and capability and
that is an ongoing process. It's never complete.
It's like sanctification. I don't think it's complete.
When we finally get, get to go home, you know, to, to God and
stand before our creator and hopefully hear well done, good
and faithful servant. So I, I think that there has
been a, a, there has been an absence on the right.
However, that's not as true as it was 10 years ago.
Now. There's, there's always been
role models that we could look up to, But it, it's this
combination of things and I and I, I usually, I put it into five
different categories. It's, it's the spiritual, the
intellectual, the emotional, the physical and the professional
that the spiritual is the most important because it provides
the bedrock for your entire worldview.
Again, it provides the standard for what is right, what is
wrong, what is honorable, what is not.
The intellectual is, and Jordan Peterson talks about this a lot,
right? It's this idea that one of the
most one of the most intimidating things and
formidable things that you can do is develop your mind in such
a way to not only be intelligent or articulate, but also funny,
to have wit, to be able to engage.
The emotional component has to do with being able to not hide
one's emotions, but to understand that emotion is an
invitation to thought. So you regulate them, you
control them in such a way to where you can be tender to the
people that you love and dangerous to the people that
would be threats to them. The physical is obvious and
honestly, it's one of the areas that has been missing the most
out of the right guys. Get to the gym, right, whether
it's lifting, whether it's learning how to fight, whatever
it is. I'm not saying you got to be an
MMA champion like Chad Robashaw, right, Who's a great example, a
great male role model. But you do need to be someone
that if you're going to say, I cannot stand it when I hear a
man say I would die for my family, good.
Would you live for them? Because they actually need that
from you a lot more on a day-to-day basis.
And when you say you would die for them, OK, great.
But wouldn't you rather be victorious for them?
Wouldn't you rather be in a position where you get in that
fight for your family and you win?
So do the things necessary to do that.
And because I believe men are not just protectors, but also
providers, yes, develop the necessary skill sets, the
marketable skill sets, so that you can be effective and
competent and capable professionally.
Because that's not just good for you, it's also good for your
family and it's also good for others.
Because one of the great things about a market system is the
only way I'm able to attain wealth is by providing somebody
else something that they need. And so developing those skill
sets across those lines are incredibly important.
But I'm starting to see more people like Chad Robichaud that
that has done that, like John Lovell from, from Warrior Poet
Society. I mean, just these guys are
stepping into this space and they have credibility because I
can tell you from my own, my own spiritual walk, my own Christian
walk. I was raised in the church.
I hadn't meant I respected and yet somehow when I got in the
military for the first several years, I, I, it's not that I
walked away from my faith or it wasn't active in my life.
That wasn't because I didn't have people that were reading
scripture. It was because I didn't have men
that were doing it that I respected as men.
And then all of a sudden you have those guys that, that come
into your life. My neighbor Anthony Brown when I
was in first Special Forces group, who was just an excellent
model of biblical masculinity. My, my one of my team leaders,
Ryan Knieber, excellent example of biblical masculinity because
quite frankly, I'd seen a lot of Christian men and I was like, we
may share a faith, but that's it.
And so I, I think it's so important and, and it's, it's
amazing the impact those people can have when they decide that
they're going to take their role and responsibility seriously and
say that if I'm, if I'm going to claim Christ, if I'm going to
claim these morals and values, then I'm going to put in the
work to be competent and capable in all of the areas necessary so
that I can be effective in what I want to do.
And I can provide on some level a path and an example for other
young men looking for a path and an example.
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I think it's such a good point. And the part that's also tricky
here is like the age of the Internet, the age of digital
media, and you know, real men like the best men that I know,
the strongest, the most competent, the most noble, the
most loving, the protectors, the guys that I would call if I
needed help. It's my husband, it's my dad,
you know, people that are just good, but they're salt of the
earth men that they're not online, right?
They're not building brands online.
I think that's a particular calling that is very important.
And so I think already there's a sort of fakeness right to I
think the undertake Empire, which is that he's built a brand
to show off wealth, to show off women, to show off strength.
When really when it comes down to it, you know, what is really
a man? Yeah, he's going to be have
competencies. He's going to be able to
provide. He's going to be strong.
But there's so much to, I think a, a, a man to aspire to be that
you're describing like it. And the first thing that you
mentioned is spiritual, like having that spiritual
foundation. I think, you know, separate from
the tape thing. I had to throw that in there
because that's trending on X right now.
And you know, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting to watch how
the right is handling it because I think that we can either
double down on standing up and putting up true men that are
leaders. I think you're one of those.
And I'm so grateful for that, Nick.
Or we can say, well, we're going to have to just kind of go
common lowest denominator here because it's better, you know,
there's people out there, at least they're saying some of our
talking points and sharing some of our ideologies, right?
So I'm going to look past, you know, sex trafficking and
pornography, God forbid, or whatever other fake things are
going on because there's also fake stuff going on that's not
even real. And I think there's an obviously
another way and but this isn't just happening on the right.
I wanted to share this clip from Mark Zuckerberg and I found this
so fascinating. I want to hear your take on it
because Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of Facebook, you know,
one of his, his COO was Sheryl Sandberg and she wrote that book
Leanin. She's this woman who, you know,
horribly donated like I think a couple $1,000,000 to Planned
Parenthood. So super Lib.
I liked some elements of her book because she was about like,
you know, being, you know, using your talents as a the woman,
whatever. But the part that was I think
really wrong was she was saying, well, women need to be 50% in
the boardroom. You know, women belong in the
workplace. And it's like not if they're not
built for it, not if they don't want it.
There's certain places that actually women I don't think
belong, like combat veteran, you know, combat roles.
All this to say, Mark Zuckerberg is now making the rounds on on
podcasts right now talking about how we need more masculine
energy in corporate America because because of DEI, women
have now just like taken, you know, literally over the
boardroom in a lot of corporate America.
Not totally, but there's a lot more women.
It's all about inclusivity to women, all of this stuff.
So I want to play this clip. I let me see if we can get you
to hear it's from Joe Rogan. Just, I think a lot of the
corporate world is, is like pretty culturally neutered and,
and I, I, I just think like having, you know, I, I grew up,
I have three sisters, no brothers.
I have three daughters, no sons. So I'm like surrounded by girls
and women like my, my whole life.
And there's something the, the, the kind of masculine energy I
think is, is good. And obviously, you know, society
has plenty of that, but, but I think corporate culture was
really like trying to get away from it.
I think having a culture that like celebrates the aggression a
bit more has its own merits that are really positive.
The intent on all these things I think is good.
But I think these things can always go a little far.
And I think it's one thing to say we want to be kind of like
welcoming and make a good environment for everyone.
And I think it's another to basically say that masculinity
is bad. And I, I just think we kind of
swung culturally to that part of the, the kind of the spectrum.
And I didn't really feel that until I got involved in martial
arts, which there are these things, there are like a few of
these things throughout your life where you just, you have an
experience and you're like, where has this been my whole
life? And it just like it just turned
on like a part of my brain that I was like, OK, yeah.
Like this was this was a piece of the puzzle that should have
been there. And I'm glad it now is.
It's true. It's true.
I getting getting back in, getting back into, for a while
there I was getting back into MMA training and I need to get
back into it again. I had to take a break just
because I was gone so much. I wasn't able to keep up with
it. But there, there's something
about the physical, physical competition that is very, very
important because it actually it, it, it's not only important
for practical reasons, it's also very important for psychological
reasons for, for a man. And so I, I think he's, I think
he's right about that. I think it's interesting too
that when they, I can't remember what the study was, but they
started giving, they, they did a study where they were giving
more left wing men testosterone replacement theory.
And the more testosterone, the higher testosterone levels went,
the more right wing they started to be on, on topics.
And, and again, I don't think that's just gimmicky.
I think there's actually something to that.
And it's, it's one of the reasons why we're investigating
so much now into what these various medications have done
and what are, what's in our food and everything else and how it's
impacted things. But the larger point about
masculinity, I will say I, I was working when I got out of the
military, I was working in the defense space still and one of
the most formidable, capable people I ever worked with.
Her name was Michelle was a woman who I like.
She scared me, but I loved working for her because she was
just, I, I mean, she was so good at her job.
And, and the point of that is to say that when he says more
masculine traits, we typically assignment, we, we associate
masculine traits with things like competitiveness,
aggression, physical prowess, you know, sarcasm.
Like there's, there's various things like that are, that are
generally associated with masculinity.
They're not exclusively masculine traits.
They're just predominantly manifest themselves in, in
masculine figures. She had those skill sets.
Again, she was incredibly intelligent, very witty,
sarcastic, like very competitive.
And so she flourished. And the reason why she
flourished is because she had the necessary attributes which
were relevant to the job. So it doesn't have to be
contained exclusively in men. But to your point, I, I know a
lot of women that would never been able to do that job as well
as Michelle. I know a lot of men that
wouldn't have been able to do that job as well as Michelle.
This is where I go back to the idea of part of what we're
talking about here is if the environment requires certain
characteristics and attributes and you are selecting people for
that because of other attributes that have nothing to do with it,
they're going to fail and they're not going to feel good
about themselves and nobody else is going to feel good about that
environment. In fact, if anything else,
you're going to reinforce negative stereotypes.
See, we told you they're not capable in this particular
field. No, that person wasn't capable
in that this particular field. So no, masculinity is a positive
thing. And you know who believes that
more than anybody? Women, liberal women believe
that and here's how you know, because every time they poll
liberal women looking for a long term relationship with a man,
they always demonstrate frustration with the sort of men
liberal women have helped create.
Non aggressive right. They don't even like they're not
attracted to what they've created.
And, and, and so this, I, I think what I think what Mark is
talking about is that there, there is a, sometimes there's a
point in time where, where you, you attain such a degree of
generalized wealth and security that it allows you to ignore
certain realities about life, certain realities about biology,
certain realities about threats in this world or what's really
needed when things get bad. And so we have a tendency to use
certain things in order to build the sort of society that is safe
and prosperous and then forget the things that were necessary
to build it, because those, those things always they never,
they never lose necessity. They just become less obvious.
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sometimes there's natural disasters that take place that
are not preventable, but they are you can mitigate them.
And I think that's been one of the huge criticisms of the
response to the fires that are blasting through Southern
California is the lack of certain prevent preparedness.
And I think DEI, you know, the concern is DEI and all of this,
you know, the wokeness that's infecting so many parts of even
our government, even our, you know, our police force, our
firefighters, that is making an impact.
I, I saw this article, Nick, that was written by the cut.
It's in the cut. Mark Zuckerberg thinks companies
need more masculine energy. But I thought this was so crazy.
And it kind of goes back to what you're saying at the end.
She says, anyways, she says this sounds like the perfect
opportunity to reinstate those Meta fact checkers considering
men have held about 90% of CEO positions over that for over a
decade. ANYWAYS, sad to see a one time
wife guy go full manosphere. Sending our best to Priscilla.
Priscilla Chan Zuckerberg. This is the wife of so super
condescending, super like mean girl.
But what's so crazy to me is that they're basically because
Mark Zuckerberg is now into, you know, physical fitness,
basically having guy friends and saying masculine energy is not a
bad thing. All of a sudden, he's no longer
a wife guy and he's now part of the manosphere.
And by manosphere, you know what, she's kind of getting out
here. She's not getting out like you,
Nick, you know, or even maybe she hates Jordan Peterson too.
I don't know. But she's in her mind is Andrew
Tate. Like basically, if you like to
be strong, this is what's so sick about it and so sad.
If you like to be strong and you're, if you're in the online
world, if you're on X, you know, if you're in this media space,
if you like to be strong, if you think masculine energy is a good
thing, and if you, you know, think we need more male men and
leaders and leadership and you're kind of against woke DEI
stuff, then all of a sudden you're a manosphere.
Yeah, Yeah. It's like there's no mid,
there's no middle way here. So, well, this has always been
the tactic, right? This is this is the everyone is
literally Hitler, right? Yes, yes.
It's always the engaging and hyperbole, hyperbolic rhetoric,
but but again, it, it, it doesn't play out even on their
own dating apps. So the thing I would go back to
is, is again, the it's the idea that those characteristics that
we associate with masculinity have positive manifestations and
negative manifestations. Now, if every time you have a
negative manifestation of of a masculine trait, let's use
aggression, you have somebody that's an aggressive guy that
then uses that to exploits a woman or steal something or
intimidate somebody weaker than them for their own personal
gain. Of course, those are negative
manifestations of the trade of aggression.
But if you didn't say aggression is the problem, well then OK,
Riddle me this. What are you going to use to
stop the guy engaging in aggression?
An emasculated man. No you you send him to DEI
training. Yeah, you just and this is the
Part 2 where the. Guy is chasing you with a gun,
you just say hey, that's not very nice, it's not inclusive,
please go and put the gun down. Well, even when they say things
like, you know, 90% of whatever corporate boards or 90% of CEO
positions, OK, now go to the HR department.
What is that comprised of? Now go to the people that are
setting policy. Now go to the people that are,
are this idea that if you have a male CEO, therefore you have a
masculine CEO is not true. The idea that you might have a
male, you know, more male members on the board means that
you have a masculine board is not true, especially not in the
society where you've emasculated a lot of people or what they do
is in their, in their private life, they may be more
masculine, but in their public or corporate life, they decided
that it's a liability to be masculine.
And So what do they do? They just, they just try to stay
on the fence. Don't make anybody mad, say
whatever, repeat whatever lines have to be repeated.
And the end result is, is everybody suffers eventually as
a result of it. And so I know, I think
Zuckerberg is, is correct. We, we do need more masculine
energy and we need more men that want to not only be leaders, but
actually possess the appropriate attributes and the appropriate
character. Now, I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw
something out there that probably sounds kind of weird,
but it is potentially a good indicator.
Go for it. OK, so I don't know, are you
familiar at all? Like, I'm gonna, you're probably
gonna be like, wow, this guy's a nerd.
Are you familiar with like Warhammer 40K or anything like
that? No.
OK, so it's. This tell me about it.
It's this kind of like war tabletop war game that you play,
right? And they came out with a video
game called Space Marines, which is kind of based on the lore of
and all that. Henry Cavill's a big fan of it.
And, and I don't, I don't play it like I don't have it, but my,
my son started to play the video game because he liked it.
And he's going off to the army next month.
And so we started talking about it.
He was kind of talking to Laura of it or whatnot.
And then all of a sudden in my Instagram feed, I'm getting more
and more of these these things coming up.
And it's these, it's these like memes of these videos.
And it's usually something from that video game or something
similar or, or, and it's always a man or a group of men making a
last stand. And and the meme always says
like. Like a, like a, like an Alamo,
like yeah, yeah. And the, and the meme always
says women, I want to go quietly in my sleep surrounded by the
people I love. And then it goes men.
And it shows the video of the last stand holding the flag,
fighting off, you know, the, the, the hordes of, you know,
whatever it is coming to get you.
Or it's the, it's, there's another one of a guy where it's
this helicopter in the middle of fire and they picked up a bunch
of kids and the helicopter doesn't have enough, too much
weight. He can't lift off.
And, and the, and the guy on there in the back with the kids
is like, all right, everyone take off your shoes, throw the
shoes. OK, dump as much fuel.
And then finally the helicopter start starts to lift off with
the kids and they look out the window and the guy got off, you
know, and he's, he's, he's going to die, right?
But he's, but he saved the kids. That is noble, right?
And, and obviously, you know, I don't, I don't want, I don't, I
certainly don't want my son to, to die in a valiant last stand
or whatnot. But there is something there
about. It's protect.
It's like. It's oriented or it's not.
It's the difference. It's the difference between I
want to be capable because I want the Bugatti and the women
versus I want to be capable because I want to be able to be
there for the people I love in the moment they need me the
most. And there's something to that if
we can direct it in the way it needs to go.
I love that. Well, the Bugatti and the woman,
like for most people, I think your average person, it's our
yeah, it would be cool to have, you know, a super fancy car and
like you can unfortunately, in the in the world of only fans,
pornography, prostitution, like those that's cheap.
You know, sex is so cheap today. It's like one of the cheapest
things. Like the thing that is one of
the most sacred things in the world has become the cheapest.
But the measure of a man, it's like, what does he do?
He treats things with the respect and the the gravity that
they deserve. He's willing to, you know,
protect the weak, is willing to see sex as, as something sacred
and be willing to and able to commit to one woman and be able
to provide for her and build a life with her.
I mean, that's the model of masculinity that, you know, I
was blessed to grow up with. And it's kind of a no brainer, I
feel to me. But again, when so many people
are hurting out there and there's so much confusion,
they're drawn to these more radical figures online.
All right. I, one of the things that you
said earlier, Nick, that I want you to share more about because
I think it's really important was about the importance of, you
know, talked about masculine masculinity, men having
spiritual, emotional, intellectual, physical strength.
And then you also said professional.
And I think that's one thing that obviously Zuckerberg, I
think is putting out a token here of like saying, hey, we
want men in the workplace like we, we, we want you.
We want your competitiveness, we want your aggressiveness, we
want your sharpness. It's a good thing and you're
welcome, right, Right. There's been a reverse of that
over the last, I would say decade plus where it's like
women are being encouraged to be the be the ones to go into
business in law school and some of these professions.
Women are being encouraged to graduate college.
Women are being encouraged to get some of these jobs.
And that's not to say women can't do those jobs.
And again, I think you can have a very, you know, a man who's
totally masculine, who the way that he's masculine is not going
to look the same way as the next guy, right?
Just because you're like shorter or you have a different body
type or you have different talents or skills, does it make
you less of a man? I think that's important because
we have these stereotypes about masculinity.
But all that being said, I do think one of the challenges a
lot of young men face is that it is hard today to find a career,
to build up professional competency, to be in the
position to even support a family because of the way the
economy has changed, because of the really the advent of women,
you know, taking over so much of the workforce.
I'm not saying it's that there's a lack of opportunities.
I think that's just part of also the way the economy is changing.
But you could, you know, we could have a whole discussion
about that. But what would be your advice?
What's your take on that? And then what's your advice for
men, especially younger men, to develop their competencies so
that they can be professionally strong and be able to not just
survive in this world, but thrive and if they feel called
to have a family and lead a family?
Yeah, I think, well, again, going back to the spiritual
thing, I think that's really important because what what the
spiritual component of this does is not just provide motivation,
it provides discipline. It's not just about doing
something because you want it, it's about doing something
because it's necessary. And it's a very, very different
mindset because if you're just doing something because you want
it, well, then the moment you don't want it or the moment
you've done the cost benefit analysis and well, it's not
really worth it, then you stop. And there's no moral implication
to that. But the moment you actually have
a sense of right and wrong and necessity, discipline is able to
take over when motivation fails. And that's really important.
The other thing is, is that for, for the men that do want to get
married, which I think is the vast majority of men, I, I think
it's about look at this sort of characteristics and attributes
that you would want in a wife. And then ask yourself, am I the
sort of person that would attract that?
Because just like, and, and I will say this too, for, for
young women, there's been a great deal of emphasis on what
women need from a man. There hasn't been much emphasis
on what men need from women. And we have, we have needs,
wants and desires as well. And those needs, wants and
desires are not bad simply because they're a little bit
different than what women want sometimes or what they or what
we prioritize. But men should be focused on how
do I become attracted to the sort of woman that I want to
marry and build a family with? And one of those things is
providing. And so I think when it comes to
developing necessary skill sets, one of the things we always told
our children was dreams are good, but they don't feed you,
right? Or they don't necessarily feed
you is the better way to put it. So we're not telling you to give
up on your dreams, but you need to develop marketable skill set.
You then you need to find a dream that feeds you or you need
to find an occupation that allows you to, to pursue your
dream because nobody else is responsible for your well-being.
That's just the reality. We, we have a lot of, I think we
have a lot of people now that, that feel as if they are
entitled to their dreams. You are entitled to pursue
happiness. Nobody is required to, to give
it to you. And, and if you go into it with
that mindset, that, look, this is, if it's my dream that it's
mine to accomplish. And there may be people that
help me along the way. In fact, there most probably
will be. And you should treat those
people with respect and admiration and use them to be
able to provide the same for other people that are coming
after you. But it's your responsibility.
And that's not that's not just a burden, it's a privilege.
It is a privilege to be able to live in a society where you can
have options to make your own way.
And if you want to look at what it, what constitutes A
marketable skill set, it's very easy supply and demand, right?
In those fields for which there is low supply and high demand,
that is a highly marketable skill set.
And so you need to look at that part practically, what are the
things that I, I have natural talents and inclinations toward
and then what it within the professional space, the ability
to meet the demand, what sort of skills that I have to develop in
order to be competitive in that environment.
The other thing too, that I would tell young man is that I
don't think there's ever been a better time in many respects to
be entrepreneurial. I don't think everyone is
necessarily, you know, inclined to own a business, right?
We need, we need good technicians or good artisans
that want to be at the top of their craft but don't want to
manage payroll. Like, you know, I get that, but
don't ever forget that, you know, that that skill set that
you might develop is not just so that you can perform that
particular task, but that's so one day you might be able to
provide other people an opportunity to provide that same
task, while at the same time that you're expanding your, your
own professional competence capability and developing
expanding opportunities for yourself and at the same time
expanding them for other people as well.
And, and I think we need to once again look at the, the enormous
practical and moral benefits from the free market, right from
recognizing that being able to find your place in an
environment where you can provide the best of your skills
in exchange for the best of other people's skills is a, is a
noble thing. It's a good thing.
I heard someone say the other day that, you know, you know,
out of, out of the 33 years that that Jesus had on earth, he
actually spent more time in carpentry than he did in
evangelism. So I, I think finding skill sets
that you, that you enjoy and develop in them is very
important. The other thing that I would say
is the practical side of that as well is that, you know, my, the,
the number of jobs that you go into and you stay with the same
company for 30 years, it is diminishing significantly.
And I, I think to some degree we have still raised a generation
to believe that, well, that was the ideal.
And it's like, well, no, it maybe it was for some people, or
maybe it was for a particular time, but we are more and more
going into an environment where it is highly likely that you
will change. You may change careers two or
three times. And, and instead of dreading
that, or instead of creating this false expectation in your
mind that you're going to do the same thing for 30 years, embrace
the excitement and the adventure associated with developing
multiple skill sets, looking for opportunities, and then having
the capacity and the wisdom to seize them when they present
themselves. And so that, that would be the
advice. I would never stop learning,
never stop developing new capabilities.
Unfortunately, our public school system is is not very good at
fostering that kind of entrepreneurial mindset.
I think in some respects it's trying to be better, but it's a
government run institution, so don't be shocked when it doesn't
produce great results. But I do think there's a lot of
other opportunities out there. You know, we talked a lot about
the dangers of the Internet and appropriately so, but there's
also opportunities within the Internet.
It's never been easier to learn new skill sets.
It's never been easier to find networks of people that, that
share your, your convictions and, and your worldview and, and
to develop the sort of communities where you can't work
together. And so that's, that's what I
would encourage people to do. And look, you can start small.
Not every skill set you have to develop is something that you
have to have completed by the time you're 24.
Not every skill set that you're trying to develop has to be the
one that is going to be your primary, that is going to
provide your primary earning potential, right?
I didn't learn how to grow and raise my own food until I was
really in my late 30s and 40s. And it's still not a primary
story. It's not any source of my
income. I probably spend more money on
it than I do at this point. But I'll tell you this much.
I don't got to worry if the grocery stores get shut down
again. I know what to do and just
knowing how to do it and knowing the network of people, because
in order to learn how to do it, I had to find this network of
people gives you an incredible sense of both capability, but
also community. And so that's, that's what I
would tell young men to do is, is be constantly looking to
develop skill sets. Some of them are going to be
major, some of them are going to be minor.
But the more capable you become, the more and the more skills you
develop, the more able you are going to be to seize
opportunities when they present themselves.
And then never ever doubt the impact of effective
communication. If you were the sort of person
that can think critically and simply articulate what you're
thinking and what you are trying to do, that in and of itself is
a marketable skill set. You can you combine that with
work ethic? Are are you willing to, are you
willing to get there on time, do the work and and not quit the
moment things get difficult? Oh my gosh, you're like a golden
employee at this point. It's so true.
I mean, I think even just in my experience hiring people,
whether it's for GTB who runs the show, the media company, for
live action, for other projects or collaborations.
It's so hard to find people that are willing to put their heads
down and work hard, who are willing to develop the skills
and the talents they need, who are willing to be reliable.
I mean, it's just, but there's so much opportunity out there
for people who are willing to put in the virtue to develop.
I mean, really it's it's a virtue.
It's a developing of a virtue. I want to ask you one more thing
about this whole, you know, the ongoing debate about masculinity
and that's having to do with sexual integrity, because I
think this is something that there's so much confusion about.
I mean, the post sexual revolution people are confused
about because we were told, you know, feminism, all of this.
Women can do whatever they want with their bodies.
Sex is totally recreational as long as there's consent.
Men, you know, if as long as there's consent, it's really
whatever you want to do. But don't be gross.
Like, I mean, there's kind of so many mixed messages.
And now if we see today, it's like, what is sex?
Well, there's gender identity. Now.
Are you even a man or a woman based on your biology?
No, I mean, there's complete chaos, right?
And I think one of the things that I'm seeing more of on both
the left and the right, which is not a surprise because you see
these extremes on both sides. But is this total decay of what
is sex for? Like a, a, a rejection of what
is sex for? And, but how do we present this
especially to a younger generation, especially of men,
women too, but especially of men who are so inundated with porn,
They're so inundated with these false view of what woman is.
And they're being told by some of these kind of very loudmouth,
you know, online personalities that but the measure of their
manhood is basically how many women they can sleep, literally
they can sleep with, and their power to have whatever woman
they want sexually. So I got married at 19 and I'm
very proud to say I've been with one woman my entire life.
That's it. And I wouldn't want it any other
way. In fact, when I when I hear guys
talk about casual sex, I'm like, what a crappy way to describe
sex. I have no idea what casual sex
is like. I only know what it's like to
have sex with a woman that I love, admire and like,
incredibly attracted to and want to be with And oh, by the way,
wants, desires the same of me. So you're right, I have no idea
what casual sex is, but it sounds horrible.
It's, it's the, I mean, if we wanted to use an easy analogy,
it's, it's and filling yourself with, with fast food or, or junk
as opposed to actually having the real genuine article.
I don't just advocate for the sort of of sexual purity of
waiting until you're married and then and then being and then,
and then that purity goes beyond marriage because the marriage
bed is not defiled, right? That's scriptural.
But it's the idea that if you, if you're filling your head full
of things that are supposed to be reserved for your spouse, and
this goes for men and women that are supposed to be reserved for
your spouse, then you're robbing yourself of something.
You're not just doing something that is wrong.
It is wrong, But part of the reason why it's wrong is because
of the damage it does and because it robs you of something
that is better. And so I think part of this is
getting people to understand that when Christians say, or
when people advocating for this sort of approach to sex say
don't do this. We're not just doing it because
we're married to some sort of, you know, arcane or puritanical
approach. We're we're basically saying
like, I mean, that's it. How do I put this?
It's like, you have no idea how good this is going to be if you
just do it right. But the more, the more ways you
cheapen it or make it perverse, you're going to make it more
difficult to get the thing you really want.
And so it's like anything else, it's delayed gratification.
When we talk about delayed gratification with respect to
the economic world of the professional world, everyone
understands what it means and it makes perfect sense.
And we, when we talked about in finance or saving a retirement,
it's like, Hey, look, if you can just, if you can just take this
little bit of money and you can put it away in a, in a
portfolio. I mean, the difference when you
hit 60 is going to be millions upon millions of dollars.
I'm not even asking you to wait 40 years.
I'm asking delayed gratification until you find the woman you
want to marry or the man you want to marry.
And then doing that and then you get the next 60 years, right?
Like you get that. And I had a I'll put it this
way, I was an Army special forces.
Army special forces is generally comprised of guys that are
reasonably fit, pretty confident and fairly confident in who they
are, right. You ask women what they like in
men, competent, fit and come and capable or confident.
OK, so you're going into and then take those same group of
guys and now put them in a foreign country.
We're not only. You know, would they be already
desirable? But now you're also the
opportunity to marry an American, right.
And I'm just being real here with the with the reality of
this. You had a lot of guys that were
able to pretty much do whatever they wanted with whoever they
wanted. And, and I remember sometimes
getting getting teased about this idea that, you know, well
mix only you know, it, it, it was the jokes of again, we're,
we're the, we're the inexperienced ones, right?
Like me and my wife, we're the inexperienced ones.
We just don't know. We just don't understand.
And isn't that kind of quaint? And I remember a buddy was, was
and he wasn't being, he wasn't being vicious about it, right?
He was just teasing me. He was just guy talk, what we
would call locker room talk. And I finally looked at him and
I said, dude, you got a GED and a bunch of girls that don't care
about you and you don't care about, I've got a PhD in this
field with one woman that I am passionate about.
Who do you honestly think is having a better time?
And he's like, all right, that's actually a good way to put it.
Yeah, and who's also the person you're entrusting your children
to? When many times children
inevitably are brought into the world, it's like, what do you do
then? What is your?
Offspring and that's all true, right?
And that's all part of the larger responsibility of this.
But if I can, the reason why I'm the reason why I'm focusing a
little bit more on this side of this that is not as associated
with the practical considerations with it.
But the part that is that is pleasurable, that is fun, that
is intimate. It's because I'm looking it's
it's I'm not just doing this because this is the best way to
raise kids. And it is I'm not just doing
this because this is the safest and most responsible way to do
it to avoid things like STD's or I think because it is.
I'm not just doing it because it's the way to avoid
potentially people coming back, you know, at, at a confirmation
hearing and being like, did you do this?
Did you do that? Because it is.
I'm also doing it because God created this to be a wonderful
expression of physical love and beauty between a man and a wife.
Why would you want to diminish it with something so much less
than that? And, and when we don't talk
about that side of it, not in a, not in a graphic or, or, you
know, inappropriate way, but just in a very sincere, like,
no, please understand, it's so much better when you allow for
this. And then you get that additional
benefit of the that that communion producing a child from
both of you, because a child is a child is always a wonderful
thing. But if you, if you ever want to
avoid this kind of like inappropriate mindset of, Oh my
gosh, this is a burden. We'll then create one with the
woman you love, create one with the man that you respect and
admire. And then when you see that child
and you see your spouse in that child, Oh my gosh, man, when one
of my kids does something wrong, like, oh, that's team.
That's the best, right? It's just like, so, so all of
it, all of it is so much better. Don't, don't throw it away.
By the same token, if you've already made those bad
decisions, one of the most wonderful things about the
gospel is this idea of the never ending capacity for redemption
and reconciliation. But the bottom line is there are
practical consequences in this world.
And the the closer you can get to just following that, that
guideline, following those principles, the more likely you
are to have all of those things that God meant for that
relationship, the emotional, the intellectual connection, the
physical connection, all of it. And so I, I do, I do want, and I
do think we're, it's incumbent about those of us who have
chosen that path to, to highly recommend it, right?
Not just for the practical reasons, but also for for all
the other reasons. Well, I love what you and Tina
do. I mean, even Co hosting a show
and you know, doing the work together and being that example,
I think it's really inspiring for a lot of people.
And it's it's important because I know it takes work to put
yourself out there when you've got your day job, you've got
multiple day jobs, and then you're making the work to put
yourself, you know, be available to people on social media that
takes that's like a job. You know, that's that's
important work. But you're presenting a vision
of masculinity that is rooted in Jesus Christ, the ultimate man,
man and God, but is also, you know, loving his family, serving
his family, serving his country. And I think that is the vision
that young men need. And so thank you.
Thank you for doing it, Nick, and thank you for your service
in more ways than one. It I think it's helping a lot of
people. Well, I, I mean, I want to, I
want to thank you, Lila and really the entire live action
team. You guys have done it.
You guys have done an incredible job, not just defending life,
but I think defending a life in the way that needs to be
defended, which is defending the entire family structure,
defending the entire world view. Because if you're not defending
a society that welcomes life, then you're not winning this
just by hopefully getting some legislation passed.
And I was especially thankful for live action.
I was especially thankful for live action on that floor debate
because as I was sitting there and I was, I was going over in
my head like what is the best way that I can try to articulate
to the audience that I know that is going to watch this, whether
it's on that floor debate or in social media.
When I published that speech later, and I've already got it
up on Facebook, but the place I went for not just the resources,
but the stories which articulate the data, it was live action.
And so, and so I, I read, I read off, I read off a story shared
by one of the people that, that you guys put a program for and
gave a platform to. And if I hadn't have had that I,
I can tell you right now, it, it, it wouldn't have been, it
wouldn't have been as impactful as I, I think it was.
And I, and I hope it will continue to be.
So please never doubt the, the work that you're doing both on a
cultural level, but also on, on a, on the political level as
well. It's it is very much
appreciated. I'm so glad to hear that.
Thank you so much Nick, you're amazing.
Where can people find you online?
Well, we try to make it easy if you just go to.
It is easy, Nick. J Freitas Yeah, Nick, J Freitas
is, is pretty much what we use for our YouTube, our Twitter,
all of our social media. And then we also have a couple
of shows that we do. We do one called Making the
Argument. That's when you mentioned before
with my Co host Tina, who's my wife and then Christian Heinz.
We have another show we call the Y Minutes and I think we're
actually going to be launching another one here pretty soon as
well, kind of focusing on the work that's been going on with
Doge. So Nick Jay Freitas is the best
way to find it. Love it.
Thank you so much, Nick. Thanks for making the time today
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