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She is a family nurse 26 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,360 practitioner who specializes in oncology and she has left her NP 27 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,880 job as a peeds oncology nurse practitioner and she works at a 28 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:50,280 nonprofit now working with the donor registry and she's biotech 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,240 clinical scientist. She is just so cool and what 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,000 she's involved in is super complicated. 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,720 So I'm going to let her go into all of it. 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,760 But she's been a nurse. She, she got her nurse from 33 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,440 Columbia University and her BSN from the College of New Jersey. 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,640 And she's going to be here on the podcast dropping what I've 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,840 never heard of as a way to use your nurse practitioner degree. 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,000 Welcome to the podcast. Thank you. 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,920 Thanks so much for having me. So let's get started kind of 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,120 tell us about this transition from clinical practice as a 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,360 pediatric oncology nurse practitioner to now working in 40 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,040 this kind of biotech, pharma corporate job as a corporate 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,440 nurse practitioner. Yeah, it, oh gosh, it's such a 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,600 different world. Like I, I'm so glad to be here 43 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,680 because I feel like there's just so much unknown about this world 44 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,960 of like, you know, corporate America for clinicians. 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,880 I think it's continuing to grow and we're just getting started. 46 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,520 So I think it's like very timely to start talking about this and 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,560 realize that there's just so many opportunities. 48 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,560 But yeah, I, so I was a pediatric oncology nurse 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,920 practitioner for about two, 2 1/2 years and I've got the 50 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:56,360 Children's Hospital Philadelphia. 51 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,800 And it was, I mean, that's like my passion. 52 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,600 It's my bread and butter. It's what I did as a nurse. 53 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,520 I absolutely love those patients. 54 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,120 But I just didn't like in hindsight, I didn't realize how 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,880 anxious I was on a daily basis. I had a lot of pre shift 56 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,080 anxiety. I wasn't sleeping well. 57 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,320 I was just really burned out and didn't realize it. 58 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,480 And basically what kind of got me out of the clinical world is 59 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,640 I got pregnant with my first baby who's now poor, which is 60 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,880 wild. But yeah, it was the start of 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,120 the pandemic and there was just like so much going on. 62 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,000 We there was a lot of unknowns, right? 63 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,880 Like we didn't know if we were supposed to wear masks. 64 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:35,720 We didn't have PPEI was pregnant. 65 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,480 I was trying to navigate that. And so I think that's just a 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,720 bunch of distance or the experience and made me realize 67 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,160 like, maybe this is not what I'm supposed to be doing. 68 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,280 And I kind of like jolted out of that world because of the 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,920 pandemic because once my baby arrived, I didn't have child 70 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,440 care options. So naturally, I was like, OK, 71 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:54,960 I'm going to stay home with my kid. 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,120 I'm going to raise her some time until things kind of like 73 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,120 regroup within the world. And yeah. 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,960 And then I took some time to really just do some thinking, 75 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,760 started to talk to people who were in the Pharmaceutical 76 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,320 industry to try to better understand, like what options 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,280 there are for clinicians and for nurses. 78 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,680 And I got a little bit of information, but still to this 79 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 day, I feel like there's just so much that's not talked about. 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,400 And so, yeah, I luckily landed a role as a senior critical 81 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,960 science lead on at a really small biotech startup that was 82 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:32,000 based in San Francisco and really just was very lucky to be 83 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,280 part of that organization and was there for about two years. 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,680 Yeah, the, the the difference between the clinical world and 85 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,160 the corporate world, Like it was definitely a learning curve. 86 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,280 I remember like my first day, I was like, what is all this lingo 87 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:48,680 that people are using? Like the corporate culture is so 88 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,440 different, right. So yeah, it was definitely a 89 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,960 culture. Yeah. 90 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,800 So tell me a little bit about what those differences were, 91 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,840 right, Because we learned the like the lingo and the jargon of 92 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:03,080 being a nurse and we're like, OK, we know, you know, when 93 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,960 somebody's like QQ, shift, vitals, we know all these things 94 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,120 right there. If somebody was like, wait, Q 95 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,000 shift, what are you talking about? 96 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,920 Like you have to do that in a different way in the corporate 97 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,320 space. So what were those hurdles that 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,320 you had to kind of overcome from the clinical MP to now working 99 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,320 in that bio biotech space? Yeah. 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,920 So I'll, I'll just back up and say that I was working from 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,200 home. So even though my company was 102 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,400 headquartered in San Francisco, I would be able to work remotely 103 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,240 in New Jersey in sound. Got to make the first piece of 104 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,840 things that I want to get used to, like being in my room. 105 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,520 I had a Korean office with a more trendy little house. 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,040 Like. You know, like I feel like even 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,640 having a desk set up, like as nurses, we're not used to having 108 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 an office in our in our home because we go and we do our work 109 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 and then they come home and it's completely disconnected. 110 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,760 So that we're very different. Meeting culture is very 111 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,800 different to you, like being at a desk from 9:00 to 5:00 and 112 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,600 just being on meetings all day long. 113 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,080 I think can a different kind of work, like you're not walking 114 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,200 around or running around the hospital or the clinic, like 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,200 you're just kind of like sitting and going from meeting to 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,400 meeting. So it's a little bit, it's a 117 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,880 little bit different and takes a lot of energy out of you, 118 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,560 especially if you're introverted like me, because you're 119 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,840 constantly like on the phone, on call, talking to people all day 120 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,000 long. So yeah, I think that was like a 121 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,040 little bit of a struggle for me. And then the corporate language 122 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,280 just comes with time. Like even to this day, I'll hear 123 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,600 somebody say something and I'm like, what? 124 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,880 Is that really me? Like, I don't know if you've 125 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,880 heard of terms like boil the ocean or, you know, move the 126 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 needle or like all these different things that people 127 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,680 play in corporate America that are just, like, so bizarre. 128 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,120 Yeah. And then how does it feel not 129 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,600 caring for patients, right. So whenever you're in this 130 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,080 field, you know, when we chose nursing, and I know that all of 131 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,280 us have kind of this moment where we realized we wanted to 132 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:55,320 care for people, there was something about that connection 133 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,960 to the patient that was really special, just like you said, 134 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,640 like I loved those patients. And so now when you're behind 135 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,680 this veil of, you know, corporate America and you're 136 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,480 kind of separated, how was that separation from the patient? 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,800 How did that feel in your everyday clinical life or I 138 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,320 guess, yeah. Yeah. 139 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,240 I mean, I, I will say I definitely miss those patients. 140 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,080 Like pediatric oncology just still feels very near and dear 141 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,840 to my heart. Like those patients, those 142 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,440 families that I really got to know, I really, really loved 143 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,520 that. So I think that is hard like not 144 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,320 being able to talk to patients directly. 145 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Also think that being part of like a biotech or a pharma 146 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,480 company, especially these startups that are really like in 147 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,240 a meeting on new technologies is so exciting because you can kind 148 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,400 of take a step back and like look 10 years ahead and see the 149 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,480 impact in your brain of like what this technology can do for 150 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,800 patients and how it could really change the critical landscape. 151 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,680 And I think that is kind of what I've held on to is like these 152 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,520 innovative sort of things. And like this is what we need, 153 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 right in medicine. Like there's a lot of what we do 154 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 in medicine that is so behind the times. 155 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,680 And so we need people that can bring this clinical expertise 156 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,160 and have experience with patients to have a voice and 157 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,760 these companies and they'll be able to talk on, okay, this is 158 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,040 going to work for patients or yes, this is going to work for 159 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,640 physicians and MPs or like, no, you guys are so out of clutch. 160 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,560 Like let's regroup. There's just so much value to 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,280 your to MTS being in those roles and why I'm doing what I'm doing 162 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,720 and wanting to like push people to apply for these jobs because 163 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,760 we just bring such a different level of scale and expertise to 164 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,679 those roles. That is so cool. 165 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,080 So what kind of is your day-to-day typical? 166 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,480 I mean, I heard you say 9:00 to 5:00 at a desk. 167 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,280 It's a a different vibe. We're not getting up, we're not 168 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,160 driving into work. We're working remotely. 169 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,680 Kind of what does your day-to-day look like in your 170 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,960 current role? And again, just maybe describe 171 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,240 what it is that you're doing specifically right now. 172 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,720 I was saying that you left that biotech job and you started 173 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,000 something else and you're working kind of on the more 174 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,160 donor clinical research side, clinical research special. 175 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,280 You're in a different domain. So tell us a little bit about 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,800 what you're doing and then what it looks like for you to do that 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,720 job right now. Yeah. 178 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:14,320 So currently I'm working for the NDP, which is this large. 179 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,480 We're a global nonprofit leader in cell therapy. 180 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,240 So essentially people know us. We rebranded from Be the Max. 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,160 So we were, if you remember from like college businesses, we 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,640 would dance Bob patients. And so we host this like really 183 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,040 large national donor registry and helps to facilitate 7 health 184 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,800 transplants for patients. And so I changed this company 185 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,680 about like 7:00-ish months ago. I think it's been and I'm an 186 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:43,400 Axis partnership consultant, which I just have to no before I 187 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,880 joined corporate America and people would tell me what they 188 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,360 do like I was like you're a consultant for who? 189 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Like you're a what? Like all being. 190 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,080 What does this mean? I'm an accent, yeah. 191 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,160 Like I, it's just so funny because like now, like when I 192 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,800 introduce myself, I'm like, I'm an access partnership consultant 193 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,240 and still like, it's like, what does that mean? 194 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,000 Not like it's not straightforward. 195 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,400 And we can get into this too, but this is the difficulty of 196 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,120 like trying to find a job is like not knowing what to even 197 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,120 search for because there's like a million titles. 198 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,760 But anyway, I digress. OK, so I'm an excellent 199 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,120 guardianship consultant. And basically what I do in my 200 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,840 role is there are all these patients out there that have 201 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,760 really complex non medical barriers to care, right? 202 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,600 They can't get to transplant because they have financial 203 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,680 barriers, they have logistical caregiver barriers. 204 00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:32,760 Like there's just so much of these patients face. 205 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,640 It's just inequity, right? Like these patients don't have 206 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,440 the same access to care as others. 207 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,880 And So what can we do to help bridge that gap for patient? 208 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,880 And so my role essentially is to build these partnerships with 209 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,880 key moms in practice and help them to help their patients 210 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,680 through our free resources within NMD key. 211 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,560 So we have three HLA type thing, which is essentially just like a 212 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:59,840 buckle slab and is an essential role because that service 213 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,400 essentially helps to run early donor searches for patients and 214 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,600 helps to overcome some of those logistical barriers. 215 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,760 So it's really like me getting into the clinics and starting to 216 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,760 talk to these key monks and have them understand 1 the importance 217 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,080 of HLA typing their patients early on because they're the 218 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,880 ones seeing their patients that diagnosis. 219 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,680 And, you know, once they get to the transplant center, some time 220 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:21,880 has passed. And so then they're losing all 221 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,480 of that great time. Somebody could have messed with 222 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,520 them, yeah. And somebody could have, you 223 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,040 know, swapped them and started that process really early. 224 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,080 And we provide that free of cost for these community processes 225 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,160 that don't have typing in place. And so it's a really great 226 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,800 service. So really it's me getting out 227 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,240 there and like getting the word out there that there's some 228 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,240 services we have, you know, a patient support center that 229 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,400 helps to connect with patients that can help them with these on 230 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,080 medical barriers. So it's really like me educating 231 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,760 on what the company's previous sources are and also providing 232 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,240 that clinical implant or breaking. 233 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Like this is the advances we've made in France point Medicine 234 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,640 over the past decade. Like we are transplanting older 235 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,120 patients that we know the eligibility criteria has 236 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,800 changed. We have medications to manage 237 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,080 GVHD, which is versus first disease post transplant. 238 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,680 Like there's all these great things that I can help to 239 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,720 educate on both for key monks and then also like fellows and 240 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,040 training. So yeah, my role is kind of 241 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,200 mixed. But you know, part of what I do 242 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,920 is there's like a 20 to 40% travel requirement. 243 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,680 So although I am 9:00 to 5:00 at my desk, they do also have to 244 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,040 travel to these, you know, key monks to build these 245 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,920 partnership. And so I would say my typical 246 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,520 day really just depends on kind of what's going on. 247 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,400 Like I could have a day that's fully at home or I can have a 248 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,440 day that's like fully travel. Yeah. 249 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,080 So I would say when I'm when I'm home though, like the 9 to 5 is 250 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,240 basically, as I mentioned before, back-to-back meetings 251 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,600 all day long and it's to help, you know, push that work 252 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,640 forward. So it's internal meetings with 253 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,360 my team and then presidentially with other departments to make 254 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,760 sure that we're talking about the work that we're doing and 255 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,640 the projects that we're trying to push forward. 256 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,760 And then sometimes I'll have external meetings as well with 257 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,640 these physicians to check in and nurture those relationships and 258 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,360 really try to help those patients. 259 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,760 Yeah, my goodness. OK, So what I'm kind of hearing 260 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,040 is you work as the liaison for the company, the match bone 261 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,240 marrow company, and you help get word out about what the services 262 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,360 are. You have a in depth knowledge of 263 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,800 the process from diagnosis to needing a bone marrow transplant 264 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,640 and how that whole process works. 265 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,680 And then you work to kind of get your company into the spaces 266 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:40,400 where are the doctors can bridge the gaps for patients as they 267 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,320 see them. Is that kind of like a synopsis? 268 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,280 A very basic synopsis? I don't want to do the answer, 269 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,320 but yeah, yeah. So making well. 270 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,520 I thought you work as it leaves on on behalf of the company and 271 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,080 because of your skills as a nurse practitioner and 272 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,160 particularly in pediatric oncology, you understand the 273 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,480 process. And so you're able to kind of 274 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,760 translate from the companies to the doctors about how your 275 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,960 products can help patients quicker, sooner, bridging those 276 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,640 gaps, getting people, getting the patients in touch with the 277 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,160 resources that they that they need, right, essentially. 278 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,120 And so one of the things as you were talking that kept coming up 279 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,960 in my mind, and as I was listening to you talk, I was 280 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,440 thinking, well, how does she have the skills? 281 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,160 How did she obtain the skills to go from direct patient care to 282 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,800 now working as a liaison on behalf of this company? 283 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,560 Like what were the skills that you needed to kind of bridge 284 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,960 those worlds? Or did you just cultivate them? 285 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Like I had them before or? No, I took the job and I figured 286 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,760 it out as I went. You know, like I'm building the 287 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,320 plane as it flew. Gosh, I think, I think as MPs we 288 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,960 really underestimate our scales, like we a lot of. 289 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,240 What we? Do in the clinic is like, it's a 290 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,680 lot of this work, right? Like we, we talk to physician, 291 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,160 we we collaborate between different teams, we talk to 292 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,520 patient, we understand the patient experience because we 293 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,240 are their advocates. Like there's so much of what we 294 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,680 do that's already transferable. And I think what's changing is 295 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,160 that these companies are now realizing like, hey, like, OK, 296 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,720 doctors, of course, yes, they are essential to these 297 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,080 companies. But like nurse practitioners in 298 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,040 the same way that we've penetrated the primary care 299 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,200 markets and all of that, like, so we can actually really help 300 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,080 in biotech and pharma, right? Because we just have all of that 301 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,760 great expertise. And you don't necessarily need a 302 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,240 physician behind, behind these types of roles. 303 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,880 You do need them in some spaces, like a thought leadership and 304 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,080 things like that. But this before like MPs are 305 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,040 actually really, really great. So I'm, I love that people are 306 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,520 realizing that now that like these skills that that we are so 307 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,400 good at already exist. And really it's, it's really not 308 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,560 like changing your skill set. It's just using it in a 309 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,240 different application. That's such a great answer. 310 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,480 And that was what I was hoping you're going to say is that 311 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,080 there was really nothing we I needed to do because I've 312 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,200 already had these skills from being a nurse, from being a 313 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,040 nurse practitioner. And they translate so perfectly 314 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:10,400 into other fields that I love that you're encouraging more 315 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,560 nurse practitioners to consider this, especially with the 316 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,040 burnout rate. The, you know, sometimes kind of 317 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,760 like what you said to like I'm at a different season of my 318 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,960 life. I don't want to spend every day 319 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,680 out of the house. Like you can be more present 320 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,080 mom, you can be a more present mom when you're working in these 321 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,720 kind of spaces. And yes, there's some days you 322 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,640 have to go out, but it's not everyday. 323 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,040 Like you could still be in a a season of presence with your 324 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,200 family and be there and also have a very rewarding career. 325 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,160 Like it just, I just think it's really neat that you're, you're 326 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,480 shining light on us an area that it's like this is, this is a 327 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,640 total option like and you have the skills already. 328 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,920 You don't have to do anything. You have to go take out a test. 329 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,640 You don't have to go go pass a board like you already ready, 330 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,960 You just got to find it. So what would advice would you 331 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,440 give to a nurse practitioner? I was like, OK, so I'm kind of 332 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,120 interested in this. How do I find it? 333 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,079 Like where do I go? What are those keywords that I 334 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:08,839 need to be typing into indeed to find these things and be higher? 335 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,880 Yeah, I think I think exactly as you said, like the first step is 336 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,599 figuring out what role you like because there's so much that you 337 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,000 can do within these organizations. 338 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,359 And So what I do on my social media pages, like on my TikTok 339 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,359 mostly is where I'm present. Yeah. 340 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,200 And shed light on these roles because I think like, that is 341 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,160 where you get lost. That's where I got lost when I 342 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,760 was trying to figure out like, like, what do I search? 343 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Like what are these titles? Like what you know, how to feed 344 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 and start. And so I tried to like back with 345 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,360 them to the best of my abilities between like roles for nurse 346 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:47,360 practitioners, roles for nurses and anything that's applicable 347 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,880 for an NP pretty much is the same for API. 348 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,480 You kind of just do NPPI like they do in other other spaces. 349 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440 So that's nice too for P as to have that access. 350 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,320 I hate to interrupt a good conversation, but I have to tell 351 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,240 you about the newest sponsor for the Success NP podcast. 352 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:08,120 Now, do you ever feel like you can't get ahead on charting? 353 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Imagine a world where you did not have to think about writing 354 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,400 notes again. I want to introduce to you 355 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,080 Freed. 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And then you could start reading 391 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,160 through those job descriptions and understanding what these 392 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,320 companies are looking for and find your niche. 393 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,520 Like find what you are actually looking for. 394 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,400 There's clinical research side of things and R&D and then 395 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,600 there's like the sales and commercial side of things. 396 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,640 So really find like what you're, what your thing is and what, 397 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,200 what's going to bring you happiness. 398 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,080 And then set your job alerts, like start getting e-mail 399 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 updates when you know these companies are coming out with 400 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,560 these jobs. Because as soon as they put them 401 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,640 out, you should be applying. You want to be an early 402 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,520 applicant because that shows that you're really committed to 403 00:20:53,600 --> 00:21:00,040 to that role in that company. Yeah, So every job comes with 404 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,920 challenges, period. I don't care what job you're 405 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,800 doing. Like they heard the most 406 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,240 rewarding job, lot of challenges, right? 407 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:11,160 Like every job we do is tough. So what are some of the 408 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,440 challenges in this space that maybe you didn't know or you 409 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,640 found as you've been in it, that you're like, this is hard. 410 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,640 You can overcome it, but it's hard. 411 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,440 Yeah. So I would say two things. 412 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,520 One of it is that it kind of carries over from the clinical 413 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,800 world. I have struggled with this as an 414 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,720 MP of like being in the space of like a mid level provider, it 415 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560 can be really challenging because you don't have the 416 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,080 expertise of a physician and you don't have the training of a 417 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,080 physician, but you are, you know, you have this like 418 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,480 advanced degree that kind of puts you in a different place 419 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,880 than a registered nurse. And so I've always felt like 420 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,960 that hierarchy continue kind of anywhere you go and can be 421 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,000 really challenging and it's OK. I think it's just like as a 422 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,080 nurse practitioner. I remember when I was in MP 423 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,040 school, my MP professor like the stuck with me forever. 424 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:06,760 She was like, you should know that for the rest of your career 425 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,480 you will be fighting, like you will be fighting to prove your 426 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,880 knowledge. You will be fighting. 427 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,440 You have people respond to you. And I think that goes into every 428 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,040 career. Like as I talk to some 429 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,120 physician, you know, even in the biotech phase, like there is 430 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:22,920 that response of like, OK, yes, like you have this clinical 431 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,200 expertise and Bone Norton plan or whatever it is, but then 432 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,520 there's also this position that are not going to respect you in 433 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,200 that same way. So I think that continues to 434 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,840 carry over. I don't think that changes. 435 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,280 Interesting. Completely different problem. 436 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,240 You know, that's good. Thank you for sharing light on 437 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,600 that. Yeah, I can see that. 438 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,320 And then the other piece of it is just with these biotech 439 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,440 companies, especially like the smaller startups, I think going 440 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,600 into it realizing that you don't have the same job security that 441 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,200 you would in the hospital setting. 442 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,200 And So what I did to protect myself because obviously, like I 443 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,080 have a mom and you know, we have a mortgage and there's just all 444 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,560 these life things, right? So I've kept my license up to 445 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,400 date. I pay for it, I renew it. 446 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,000 I need to rest my DM, ES and stuff so that I can renew it 447 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,560 because that job will always be there. 448 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,200 Like I can always go back to clinic. 449 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,440 I could always pick up shifts like I want to make sure that I 450 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,440 have that security. Luckily, I haven't had any 451 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,360 issues with that. Like I my company, the biotech 452 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,680 one that I was part of went through a couple different 453 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,080 reductions in force and layoffs and I was lucky to be a 454 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,040 survivor. But also understand that that 455 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,240 could be a risk for some people that is uncomfortable. 456 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,240 But I think as long as you're smart about it and you are, you 457 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,080 know, being better plans for yourself is a good space. 458 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,040 Yeah, yeah. You know, I think the hospital 459 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,080 kind of lulls you to sleep in that sense. 460 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,920 You kind of think you're super safe and that I've been laid off 461 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,720 from a hospital job. I mean, it is not, you know, 462 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,680 you're not safe anywhere. And so I think that recognition 463 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,760 that there is no job that you're 100% not going to get fired 464 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,440 from, I mean, working, you know, you see all the things that are 465 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,560 happening with just a change in president, right? 466 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,160 You change your president. Not everything's different. 467 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Like it just things change, right? 468 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,360 And so you need to be diversified. 469 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:10,040 Your income streams as a nurse practitioner, you need to be 470 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,640 diversified. You need to be prepared for if 471 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,280 then, then this, you know, and one of the great things about 472 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,920 our degree and the things that I always harbor, which is why when 473 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,800 people come to me, they're like PA or NP and I'm like, well, how 474 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,080 old are you? Let's look at the story. 475 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,160 Like I kind of work through some of the details because sometimes 476 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,600 I'll be honest with you, like I think nurse is better and I 477 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,200 think nurse practitioner is better because of that option of 478 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,120 just being like, I can go be a nurse tomorrow and I can get a 479 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,680 job and start working. I get a $30,000 sign on bonus 480 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,000 just for taking the job. You know, like it would probably 481 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,720 be a terrible job because that's a red flag. 482 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,160 But it doesn't matter. Like I could go get money if 483 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,280 we're not going to be on the street, you know? 484 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,760 And so it's just one of those things where it's like when 485 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720 you're in PA, like that's it. You can only be APA, but as a 486 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,440 nurse practitioner, I can go be a nurse practitioner, go be a 487 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,640 nurse. I I cannot need credentials. 488 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,880 I can just go get to work, you know, like so much flexibility 489 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,080 and that's in anything. And so I love that you brought 490 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,240 that up. And so the future of farm 491 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,440 biotech corporate nurse practitioners, like what is your 492 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,360 vision? If you could take a crystal ball 493 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,880 and say this is what I see, what would you say that you kind of 494 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,360 in the future being in this space? 495 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,080 Yeah. I mean, I think that companies 496 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,120 are definitely like, as I mentioned before, realizing the 497 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,840 value of an NP. And so I'm seeing that like 498 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,200 those roles, for example, medical science liaison, the 499 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,640 typically you would, you know, historically I've seen like M 500 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,040 DS, farm DS, pH DS, a lot more NPS are able how to treat that 501 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,520 market now because they're seeing the value that we can 502 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,480 bring. So if I had a crystal ball on 503 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,440 this, I threw in a little bit of what I wanted to happen, I 504 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,440 would, I would say that, you know, it would be very nice if 505 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,440 these companies would continue on that of like understanding 506 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,080 that we really do bring over you and errors into these roles. 507 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,720 There's just like, you know, Mark, those clinical outs, which 508 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,400 he said a lot of these companies and I think it's just nurses 509 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,840 just bring so much value. And I think that people are 510 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,880 realizing that. Yeah, I think sometimes too. 511 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,720 And you know, not to pit US against doctors, but is facts, I 512 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,280 feel like doctors serve a very like specific science clinical 513 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,320 role. And then nurse practitioner, as 514 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,800 we understand, again, like you said, not to the depth of the 515 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,400 clinical science per SE or even the the clinical research 516 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000 process as much because a lot of them are very much into 517 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,400 research, which I think is something should be open up to 518 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,520 more of us to understand. Because I have a lot of interest 519 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,320 in it just naturally. But there's also the other 520 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,680 element where I feel like we see the patients and so we have more 521 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,840 of a connection to the people and we kind of see the whole 522 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400 person more. So where doctors really get, I 523 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,960 think what is the word myopic, where they just focus in on like 524 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,000 clinical outcomes, put them on the Med and did it work or I cut 525 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,800 it out and is it gone? You know, they, they get a 526 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,240 little bit of that focus. And then we're just like, yeah, 527 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,720 I know. But does the patient have issues 528 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,080 with finance? Does, you know, we look at the 529 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,800 whole person? And so I really think that's the 530 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,200 holistic approach that really is needed to these collaborative 531 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,160 teams. It's like, So what if it's like 532 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,040 effective? Like, what if people can't 533 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,360 afford it? What if people can't get there 534 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,480 to get the treatment? Like those are the things that I 535 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,080 feel like the nurse has a real like as a pulse on more so than 536 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,960 what doctors are really worried about at times. 537 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960 Does that make sense? Yeah, no. 538 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,400 And I agree. I think like to alongside the 539 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,240 like barriers of patient faces, like the logistics and the 540 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,320 workflow, like I said, like and he's in nurses really understand 541 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,680 like they say you have a patient that comes in, this is, you 542 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,760 know, the checklist of things that are happening and then 543 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,280 there's like another set. Like I feel like we, not that 544 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,720 physician don't, but I think we have a better grasp on it 545 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,600 because that's like what we are immersed in day in and day out. 546 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,680 And so when you think about like these biotech and pharma 547 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,960 companies that are creating these products for their 548 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,640 customers, patients and providers, like we have that 549 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,360 knowledge of like how this is going to work in their workflow 550 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,080 and like how we can get this successful. 551 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:06,720 So, yeah, I totally agree. I think we bring a different 552 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,600 lens. Yeah, I love that. 553 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,440 I think like for people that are wanting to learn more, I think 554 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680 really just, I just want to encourage people to like just do 555 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,160 their research and really start to bring themselves to it. 556 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,160 It can be a long process, the application process, and it can 557 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,800 be sometimes discouraging because it's competitive, right? 558 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,760 Like there's a lot of people that are trying to get into this 559 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,600 market, but it's not impossible. I think just like believe in 560 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,240 yourself and push through and really shown in the skills that 561 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,200 you do have those as you're applying because it really does 562 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,280 go a long way. And then the last thing I'll 563 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,320 just sorry, you know, networking, you know, do your 564 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,280 best to continue to talk to people. 565 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Message me like I'd be on LinkedIn. 566 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,200 I'm happy to, you know, to keep the conversation going, but 567 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,120 really try to keep that network going because you never know 568 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,200 who's going to be part of a company or hiring or, you know, 569 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,360 whatever that is. And that really does open the 570 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,400 door to opportunities. And once you get in, once you 571 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360 have that first role, like everything changes for you. 572 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,280 And so, yeah, I just would encourage you to keep on going 573 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,680 or if it's something you're very passionate about. 574 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,920 Yeah. So when you were talking, it 575 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,200 made me think like, what are those key metrics on your resume 576 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,080 that make a difference in these jobs? 577 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,480 Because if I send over my clinical reference, right. 578 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 But I, it shows that I think I saw one of your Tik Toks and you 579 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,800 were like, if you have oncology experience as a nurse, like it 580 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,920 doesn't matter if you've not been like a nurse practitioner 581 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,320 in oncology, like you have experience in oncology as an RN, 582 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,960 like that will translate through. 583 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,280 What are some things that you notice like our key metrics or 584 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,720 key, you know, takeaways to put on your resume if you are a 585 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,960 nurse practitioner that's interested in getting into this 586 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160 like field? Yeah, so I would say the two 587 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,200 things, and I think this is probably what you were referring 588 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920 to with that TikTok is 1 is specialty experience. 589 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Like if you have that, that is going to be like that is so, so 590 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,880 important. People love that. 591 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,040 Yeah. Like you have disease data 592 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,040 experience, like it could be an anything. 593 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,560 It doesn't. Obviously oncology is when we 594 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,920 talk about a lot because it's a huge part of the market. 595 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,520 But there's others like diabetes, if you've been a 596 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,160 diabetes educator, like really hone in from that, right? 597 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Like if you're in a primary care clinic that sees like all these 598 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,000 diabetics and really manages them, like try to like brand 599 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,720 yourself as an expert in that because that you're about a long 600 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,480 way for these companies that are in that day. 601 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:31,560 So fresh and tea experience is 1 and then research experience I 602 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,080 would say is another. I think those are the two things 603 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,520 that really helped me. I have an uncle AG years 604 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,080 practitioner, Holly Naturi was just I was in Pediatrics. 605 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,480 So I was actually with the sub I for a lot of these clinical 606 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,920 research studies and I made sure to like really talk about that 607 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,360 and like my experiences with it and how I understood how to read 608 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,280 a research protocol. And I understood like, you know, 609 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,360 eligibility criteria and like whatever. 610 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,840 You could really like nitpick on your experience, like try to 611 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,200 bring that into location because that goes along like if you, 612 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,320 there's a lot of space for nurses in research. 613 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,360 And so if you do have any kind of research experience like I 614 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,440 would try to try to hover. And then the networking part, 615 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,320 right, because like, it's great when you apply and you send your 616 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,600 resume out into these open like black holes and then you never 617 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,920 hear back and you're like, I don't know why I didn't get it, 618 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,040 Like what wasn't, you know, whatever, because it really 619 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,280 matters who you know. I mean, that really is like, 620 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,800 it's everything, right? Like getting to have 621 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480 conversations with people and just realizing like, no, this is 622 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,560 a solid person. They're my buddy, you know, 623 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,440 pushing the resume. I know you guys are looking with 624 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,880 somebody. Here's my friend, you know, 625 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,840 like, yes, these are critical things, right? 626 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920 You need that. And so where, where can you be? 627 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,480 You know, you brought it up earlier, but where can you be 628 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880 finding these networks of nurse? If we're all underground, how do 629 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880 we know where they're where the underground party is? 630 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,600 You know what I'm saying? Like how do you know? 631 00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:01,040 Yeah, you said I talk about networking is 1 just like almost 632 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,360 kind of like a cold call cold message on Lincoln where if 633 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,920 you've applied for a job trying to find who that recruiter is 634 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,960 And one of the things that John coming out some a lot of people 635 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,520 tend to do, which I'm just like, oh, this is working against you. 636 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,880 Do you not put like I'm interested under a job posting 637 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,480 like that is is not going to help your case. 638 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,120 If you're interested, if you're truly interested in a job, send 639 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,200 the person a message and XY and Z on why you're qualified and 640 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200 why you think you would be a good candidate and how you would 641 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,880 bring value to that role right. Because if you're just like 642 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,800 commenting on people post like I'm interested, I'm interested, 643 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,640 like that's not going to do anything, right? 644 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,560 It's showing that you're almost taking a backseat and expecting 645 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,680 somebody to reach out to you because you're interested. 646 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,640 It's not about you being interested, It's about them 647 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,560 being interested in you ultimately, right? 648 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,680 You need to be able to bring that to the table. 649 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,480 So please stop doing that if you are doing that and make sure 650 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,360 that you're reaching out to people and you know, showing the 651 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,640 value that you can bring to them. 652 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,760 The second place, I'd love to just get in front of people 653 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,400 because I just built a different kind of connection. 654 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,360 So if you're able to attend conferences through your 655 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,080 company, like if there's like, let's say you're in Pediatrics 656 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,800 and there's like a big pediatric conference, like try to attend 657 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,280 those and start talking to some of the some of the vendors 658 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,720 there. Like they have usually like 659 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,360 monotech and pharma people there. 660 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,680 And then you could go in with interests of like a clinician, 661 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,640 but then you could potentially build connections there. 662 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,120 And so I would try to do that as much as though I think when I 663 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600 was an MP in the clinical world, like I didn't go to any 664 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,800 conferences and I feel like that would have helped a lot. 665 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,600 Like there's so many pharmaceutical conferences. 666 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,920 So I think that helps. Yeah, that's so good. 667 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,200 Great advice, guys. That's how you get involved. 668 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400 That's how you network in this space. 669 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,120 If you're interested and then also reach out to, you know, 670 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,720 Miss Shaw, reach out to her, let her know, like, I'm interested 671 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,080 in this. I want to hear more about it. 672 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,560 Like who do I, you know? And again, if you're just 673 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:06,640 clicking like I'm interested. Check Lincoln buy out you need 674 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,080 to. Show what value you bring to 675 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,400 their company, right? And that's the shift. 676 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,199 It's so easy in the hospital because they get how we're 677 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,080 valuable. Like it's very easy to show that 678 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,679 because it directly effects patient care. 679 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,560 We are involved in the patient care process. 680 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,239 So that's an easier, you know, buy in, they already get it. 681 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,360 But in the biotech space, in the pharmaceutical space, we're 682 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,400 trying to penetrate, as you're saying, we're trying to 683 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,360 infiltrate these areas and show our values. 684 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,360 And you've really got to kind of prove yourself. 685 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,360 And it's a different way of, of marketing yourself as as a 686 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,800 provider, because that's what we're all essentially doing 687 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,000 every day when we go to work, every day, when we send our 688 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,280 resume, every day when we message about something we're 689 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,320 interested in, we're showing how we market ourselves. 690 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,440 And so she's like, yeah, just market yourself well, because 691 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,400 just even that extra step shows people where your mind is, shows 692 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,880 people your initiative and kind of how you are. 693 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,040 Yeah, how you're just ready for that next opportunity. 694 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,360 And again, these are new spaces that we are cracking into, which 695 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,960 is going to require entirely different approach. 696 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,200 So don't just go call resume like now, like you've got to do 697 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,840 a little bit of extra work. I think that's really good. 698 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,120 Well, thank you for all those gems that you shared. 699 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,600 Your story is incredible. I'm just so inspired by people 700 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,760 that go where no one has gone before. 701 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,840 Like I like that it's such a Star Trek, you know, Enterprise, 702 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,480 like going what no one has gotten before type thing. 703 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,080 And I love it because we need more nurse practitioners going 704 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040 into these spaces. But then also echoing back like, 705 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,120 Hey, I'm here, you're not alone. And come check out what we're 706 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,480 doing because this is incredible. 707 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,800 This is, you know, this can help you take a break from burnout. 708 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,800 This can give you a different opportunities. 709 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,680 Like I just am so excited to see what you're going to do with 710 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,960 this because you could get involved in a biotech startup. 711 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,040 You could be the head of a board. 712 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,080 You just have all these options now that as a little nurse 713 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,920 working in clinic that just thinks this is the grind. 714 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,520 There's no other option. It's like, no, no, no, no, that 715 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,120 girl or boy wake up. Like there's more, you know, And 716 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,080 I just love this field. I love nursing so much because 717 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,320 it just it always surprises me. It just it shouldn't surprise me 718 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,080 anymore, but it's just incredible. 719 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,880 Like we have so many options. So it really is a must. 720 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,440 So you ready for rapid fire? Hey, gosh, yes. 721 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,880 He's. So what are you most grateful 722 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,680 for in the whole world? My children, your. 723 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,240 Children, I thought, I thought that would happen. 724 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,480 If you had something good character to play you on TV, who 725 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,080 would it be? Oh my God. 726 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,800 I so bad at pop culture. Like I don't know any names of 727 00:36:49,800 --> 00:37:00,080 any people skip. I feel like I want to guess but 728 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,200 I don't like know any like like super good like Indian 729 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,880 actresses. I don't know any like. 730 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000 I. Know I was like, I know Ashwa 731 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,240 Rai. I know she's like like super. 732 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,400 What's her name? She's married to the Jonas 733 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,920 Brothers. Bianca Chopra. 734 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,160 Hi there. I'm Frank Flutter. 735 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,120 She's beautiful. She's very. 736 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,560 Kind of like, hey, she's not an actress, but I'm all Clooney. 737 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,560 I love her. She's not an actress, but I feel 738 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,200 like I just want to be here in my life. 739 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,800 Oh my gosh, that is the best answer to that questions, and 740 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,400 now you're giving me the best answer to that. 741 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,960 She's so classy. Like I don't know what it is. 742 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,720 No, no, no. Something about her. 743 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,280 It's like her vibration is higher. 744 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Like I don't know what vibration you're on, but like it's up 745 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,200 there. I can feel she's not them. 746 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,760 All say and I'm like, oh I just want to. 747 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,160 She's class. No, no, no. 748 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,240 You can just tell. Like, she doesn't need money. 749 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,800 She's just classy on her own. She's just the way she is. 750 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,080 Yeah. Well, good pic. 751 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,360 If you had to give someone a book, what would it be? 752 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,560 If you had to give someone like this is the book. 753 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,640 Like, read this one. Game changer, Life changer, 754 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,120 whatever it is, which book would it be? 755 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,440 I'm really into the like Mel Robbins let them theory. 756 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,560 I don't know if you've heard of it. 757 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,080 It's like. She's a podcast, right? 758 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,360 It's in. Think it's she wear glasses, 759 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,920 they wear glasses. Yeah, and I don't think it's 760 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,560 like anything new that she's putting out there, but I just 761 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:24,960 like love how she talks about it. 762 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520 It's like basically like taking the control off of other people 763 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,240 in your life and really just like the whole thing on 764 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,160 yourself. Like if there's somebody that's 765 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,720 not, if there's a company that's not hiring, let them right like. 766 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,080 And the. Opportunity will come up if you, 767 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,360 if your current workplace is not prioritizing you in the same way 768 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,960 that you would want to be prioritized or, you know, 769 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,200 promoted, let them you'll be leaving. 770 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,400 I mean, like there's just so much of that that I really love. 771 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,560 I think it just takes the pressure off of the control that 772 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,960 like you don't have over other people and just like focus and 773 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400 drives back on you. Yeah. 774 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,480 No, that is that's that is a word for today. 775 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,200 That is a whole episode because it it truly is the the case. 776 00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:13,920 And that's another reason why I started this podcast is because 777 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,520 it's like, I don't want nurses just be like, I'm so burned out. 778 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,600 It's just like mantra of just like sad ass free. 779 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,880 And it's like set yourself free. Like, come on, we've got too 780 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,600 many options. Like you've got so many things. 781 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,760 If you don't enjoy this, go do something else. 782 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Like I just I can't with that. And again, I I know it's 783 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,280 grinding work. I know that like all of it is 784 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,000 tough and that's just life, right? 785 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,320 Like if there's a part of this that is just going to be hard 786 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,200 because it's just the world that we live in. 787 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,840 But there's also that reframing your mindset of like, I'm not a 788 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,280 victim here. Like I can choose, you know, I 789 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,520 think that's really good. All right, so that's it for 790 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,200 rapid fire. The success NP quote of the day 791 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,000 is success is getting what you want. 792 00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:00,320 Happiness is getting what you get by WP Kinsella. 793 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,160 So we like success here because we we talk about success. 794 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,920 The reason why the podcast is named Success NP is because of 795 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:14,000 the fact that success is not an end goal you get as you go 796 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,760 through the journey. And it's just, yeah, like I want 797 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,320 every nurse practitioner to be successful in their own right. 798 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760 You are not a victim. You have endless options. 799 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,960 And whatever that success looks like for you, the nurse degree 800 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,760 will probably get you there if you continue searching for what 801 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,320 it is that you want, because it's out there. 802 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,400 Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I. 803 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,680 Love that. Yeah, you do have to pen that to 804 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,240 find it, yeah. Yeah, I think that's so good. 805 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:40,200 Thank you for your time today. Thanks for coming on the 806 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,400 podcast. Where can people find you on 807 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,240 LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok? I've stalked you. 808 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,440 Your stuff's super cute. I love your hair. 809 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,440 I don't know how all the Indian girls have the most amazing 810 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,800 hair, but you guys all So yeah, tell me who they can find you. 811 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,840 Yeah, so on social media, I'm at NPTNPTEEKS. 812 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,480 And then, yeah, LinkedIn, I'm just my full name, Ankita Shah. 813 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,720 Definitely feel free to add me, message me. 814 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,640 I try to get back to as many people as I can, but yeah, I'm 815 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,960 sure to help. I just want to be a resource for 816 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,440 people that are looking to find their happiness in nursing 817 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,240 again. Right, That's another big part 818 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,640 of success is like leaving bread crumbs for others so that they 819 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,760 can see how you created your successful career, right. 820 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,520 It's so not just about getting to that spot for yourself. 821 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,120 Success is so multifaceted. It's also that time when you get 822 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,080 to that spot and then you look back and you go, how do I help 823 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,560 others, you know? Yeah, I love that. 824 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,360 That's. Exactly where I feel like I am. 825 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,320 I feel like I, I didn't have those resources when I was 826 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,640 looking and I'm like, I wish somebody would just like talk 827 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440 about it. Thus, yeah, 100%. 828 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,280 Love that. Love it, love it, love it. 829 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,760 Well, thank you for your time, guys. 830 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,240 Thanks for listening, thanks for hanging out. 831 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,160 Thanks so much. Thanks for tuning into another 832 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,200 episode of Success and P. We hope today's discussion has 833 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,800 shed some light on the diverse career options or taught you how 834 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,760 to improve your clinical practice as a nurse 835 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,800 practitioner. Remember, whether you're 836 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,320 considering a specialization, pursuing advanced 837 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,840 certifications, or exploring non traditional roles, there's a 838 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,040 wealth of opportunities out there waiting for you. 839 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,520 Be sure to subscribe to the show so you don't miss an episode and 840 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,120 leave us a five star review. It helps the podcast grow. 841 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,040 The Success and Peace Podcast is on the World Wide Web, YouTube, 842 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,920 Instagram, Facebook, and X, so subscribe to our newsletter for 843 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,800 updates on new podcast episodes and other information to help 844 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,720 you on your own NP journey. You can always message us at 845 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:40,200 success.npspodcast@gmail.com with any NP podcast episodes or 846 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,800 topics you'd like us to discuss. Until next time, take care, stay 847 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920 curious, and keep advancing your careers as a nurse practitioner. 848 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,920 And just a friendly reminder, the information on this podcast 849 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,560 is for educational purposes only. 850 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,280 The information should not be used and substitute for 851 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,080 professional care by a medical provider. 852 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000 The information on this podcast does not represent medical or 853 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600 professional advice or services. Bye for now.