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today by Nikita Shah. She is a family nurse
practitioner who specializes in oncology and she has left her NP
job as a peeds oncology nurse practitioner and she works at a
nonprofit now working with the donor registry and she's biotech
clinical scientist. She is just so cool and what
she's involved in is super complicated.
So I'm going to let her go into all of it.
But she's been a nurse. She, she got her nurse from
Columbia University and her BSN from the College of New Jersey.
And she's going to be here on the podcast dropping what I've
never heard of as a way to use your nurse practitioner degree.
Welcome to the podcast. Thank you.
Thanks so much for having me. So let's get started kind of
tell us about this transition from clinical practice as a
pediatric oncology nurse practitioner to now working in
this kind of biotech, pharma corporate job as a corporate
nurse practitioner. Yeah, it, oh gosh, it's such a
different world. Like I, I'm so glad to be here
because I feel like there's just so much unknown about this world
of like, you know, corporate America for clinicians.
I think it's continuing to grow and we're just getting started.
So I think it's like very timely to start talking about this and
realize that there's just so many opportunities.
But yeah, I, so I was a pediatric oncology nurse
practitioner for about two, 2 1/2 years and I've got the
Children's Hospital Philadelphia.
And it was, I mean, that's like my passion.
It's my bread and butter. It's what I did as a nurse.
I absolutely love those patients.
But I just didn't like in hindsight, I didn't realize how
anxious I was on a daily basis. I had a lot of pre shift
anxiety. I wasn't sleeping well.
I was just really burned out and didn't realize it.
And basically what kind of got me out of the clinical world is
I got pregnant with my first baby who's now poor, which is
wild. But yeah, it was the start of
the pandemic and there was just like so much going on.
We there was a lot of unknowns, right?
Like we didn't know if we were supposed to wear masks.
We didn't have PPEI was pregnant.
I was trying to navigate that. And so I think that's just a
bunch of distance or the experience and made me realize
like, maybe this is not what I'm supposed to be doing.
And I kind of like jolted out of that world because of the
pandemic because once my baby arrived, I didn't have child
care options. So naturally, I was like, OK,
I'm going to stay home with my kid.
I'm going to raise her some time until things kind of like
regroup within the world. And yeah.
And then I took some time to really just do some thinking,
started to talk to people who were in the Pharmaceutical
industry to try to better understand, like what options
there are for clinicians and for nurses.
And I got a little bit of information, but still to this
day, I feel like there's just so much that's not talked about.
And so, yeah, I luckily landed a role as a senior critical
science lead on at a really small biotech startup that was
based in San Francisco and really just was very lucky to be
part of that organization and was there for about two years.
Yeah, the, the the difference between the clinical world and
the corporate world, Like it was definitely a learning curve.
I remember like my first day, I was like, what is all this lingo
that people are using? Like the corporate culture is so
different, right. So yeah, it was definitely a
culture. Yeah.
So tell me a little bit about what those differences were,
right, Because we learned the like the lingo and the jargon of
being a nurse and we're like, OK, we know, you know, when
somebody's like QQ, shift, vitals, we know all these things
right there. If somebody was like, wait, Q
shift, what are you talking about?
Like you have to do that in a different way in the corporate
space. So what were those hurdles that
you had to kind of overcome from the clinical MP to now working
in that bio biotech space? Yeah.
So I'll, I'll just back up and say that I was working from
home. So even though my company was
headquartered in San Francisco, I would be able to work remotely
in New Jersey in sound. Got to make the first piece of
things that I want to get used to, like being in my room.
I had a Korean office with a more trendy little house.
Like. You know, like I feel like even
having a desk set up, like as nurses, we're not used to having
an office in our in our home because we go and we do our work
and then they come home and it's completely disconnected.
So that we're very different. Meeting culture is very
different to you, like being at a desk from 9:00 to 5:00 and
just being on meetings all day long.
I think can a different kind of work, like you're not walking
around or running around the hospital or the clinic, like
you're just kind of like sitting and going from meeting to
meeting. So it's a little bit, it's a
little bit different and takes a lot of energy out of you,
especially if you're introverted like me, because you're
constantly like on the phone, on call, talking to people all day
long. So yeah, I think that was like a
little bit of a struggle for me. And then the corporate language
just comes with time. Like even to this day, I'll hear
somebody say something and I'm like, what?
Is that really me? Like, I don't know if you've
heard of terms like boil the ocean or, you know, move the
needle or like all these different things that people
play in corporate America that are just, like, so bizarre.
Yeah. And then how does it feel not
caring for patients, right. So whenever you're in this
field, you know, when we chose nursing, and I know that all of
us have kind of this moment where we realized we wanted to
care for people, there was something about that connection
to the patient that was really special, just like you said,
like I loved those patients. And so now when you're behind
this veil of, you know, corporate America and you're
kind of separated, how was that separation from the patient?
How did that feel in your everyday clinical life or I
guess, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I, I will say I definitely miss those patients.
Like pediatric oncology just still feels very near and dear
to my heart. Like those patients, those
families that I really got to know, I really, really loved
that. So I think that is hard like not
being able to talk to patients directly.
Also think that being part of like a biotech or a pharma
company, especially these startups that are really like in
a meeting on new technologies is so exciting because you can kind
of take a step back and like look 10 years ahead and see the
impact in your brain of like what this technology can do for
patients and how it could really change the critical landscape.
And I think that is kind of what I've held on to is like these
innovative sort of things. And like this is what we need,
right in medicine. Like there's a lot of what we do
in medicine that is so behind the times.
And so we need people that can bring this clinical expertise
and have experience with patients to have a voice and
these companies and they'll be able to talk on, okay, this is
going to work for patients or yes, this is going to work for
physicians and MPs or like, no, you guys are so out of clutch.
Like let's regroup. There's just so much value to
your to MTS being in those roles and why I'm doing what I'm doing
and wanting to like push people to apply for these jobs because
we just bring such a different level of scale and expertise to
those roles. That is so cool.
So what kind of is your day-to-day typical?
I mean, I heard you say 9:00 to 5:00 at a desk.
It's a a different vibe. We're not getting up, we're not
driving into work. We're working remotely.
Kind of what does your day-to-day look like in your
current role? And again, just maybe describe
what it is that you're doing specifically right now.
I was saying that you left that biotech job and you started
something else and you're working kind of on the more
donor clinical research side, clinical research special.
You're in a different domain. So tell us a little bit about
what you're doing and then what it looks like for you to do that
job right now. Yeah.
So currently I'm working for the NDP, which is this large.
We're a global nonprofit leader in cell therapy.
So essentially people know us. We rebranded from Be the Max.
So we were, if you remember from like college businesses, we
would dance Bob patients. And so we host this like really
large national donor registry and helps to facilitate 7 health
transplants for patients. And so I changed this company
about like 7:00-ish months ago. I think it's been and I'm an
Axis partnership consultant, which I just have to no before I
joined corporate America and people would tell me what they
do like I was like you're a consultant for who?
Like you're a what? Like all being.
What does this mean? I'm an accent, yeah.
Like I, it's just so funny because like now, like when I
introduce myself, I'm like, I'm an access partnership consultant
and still like, it's like, what does that mean?
Not like it's not straightforward.
And we can get into this too, but this is the difficulty of
like trying to find a job is like not knowing what to even
search for because there's like a million titles.
But anyway, I digress. OK, so I'm an excellent
guardianship consultant. And basically what I do in my
role is there are all these patients out there that have
really complex non medical barriers to care, right?
They can't get to transplant because they have financial
barriers, they have logistical caregiver barriers.
Like there's just so much of these patients face.
It's just inequity, right? Like these patients don't have
the same access to care as others.
And So what can we do to help bridge that gap for patient?
And so my role essentially is to build these partnerships with
key moms in practice and help them to help their patients
through our free resources within NMD key.
So we have three HLA type thing, which is essentially just like a
buckle slab and is an essential role because that service
essentially helps to run early donor searches for patients and
helps to overcome some of those logistical barriers.
So it's really like me getting into the clinics and starting to
talk to these key monks and have them understand 1 the importance
of HLA typing their patients early on because they're the
ones seeing their patients that diagnosis.
And, you know, once they get to the transplant center, some time
has passed. And so then they're losing all
of that great time. Somebody could have messed with
them, yeah. And somebody could have, you
know, swapped them and started that process really early.
And we provide that free of cost for these community processes
that don't have typing in place. And so it's a really great
service. So really it's me getting out
there and like getting the word out there that there's some
services we have, you know, a patient support center that
helps to connect with patients that can help them with these on
medical barriers. So it's really like me educating
on what the company's previous sources are and also providing
that clinical implant or breaking.
Like this is the advances we've made in France point Medicine
over the past decade. Like we are transplanting older
patients that we know the eligibility criteria has
changed. We have medications to manage
GVHD, which is versus first disease post transplant.
Like there's all these great things that I can help to
educate on both for key monks and then also like fellows and
training. So yeah, my role is kind of
mixed. But you know, part of what I do
is there's like a 20 to 40% travel requirement.
So although I am 9:00 to 5:00 at my desk, they do also have to
travel to these, you know, key monks to build these
partnership. And so I would say my typical
day really just depends on kind of what's going on.
Like I could have a day that's fully at home or I can have a
day that's like fully travel. Yeah.
So I would say when I'm when I'm home though, like the 9 to 5 is
basically, as I mentioned before, back-to-back meetings
all day long and it's to help, you know, push that work
forward. So it's internal meetings with
my team and then presidentially with other departments to make
sure that we're talking about the work that we're doing and
the projects that we're trying to push forward.
And then sometimes I'll have external meetings as well with
these physicians to check in and nurture those relationships and
really try to help those patients.
Yeah, my goodness. OK, So what I'm kind of hearing
is you work as the liaison for the company, the match bone
marrow company, and you help get word out about what the services
are. You have a in depth knowledge of
the process from diagnosis to needing a bone marrow transplant
and how that whole process works.
And then you work to kind of get your company into the spaces
where are the doctors can bridge the gaps for patients as they
see them. Is that kind of like a synopsis?
A very basic synopsis? I don't want to do the answer,
but yeah, yeah. So making well.
I thought you work as it leaves on on behalf of the company and
because of your skills as a nurse practitioner and
particularly in pediatric oncology, you understand the
process. And so you're able to kind of
translate from the companies to the doctors about how your
products can help patients quicker, sooner, bridging those
gaps, getting people, getting the patients in touch with the
resources that they that they need, right, essentially.
And so one of the things as you were talking that kept coming up
in my mind, and as I was listening to you talk, I was
thinking, well, how does she have the skills?
How did she obtain the skills to go from direct patient care to
now working as a liaison on behalf of this company?
Like what were the skills that you needed to kind of bridge
those worlds? Or did you just cultivate them?
Like I had them before or? No, I took the job and I figured
it out as I went. You know, like I'm building the
plane as it flew. Gosh, I think, I think as MPs we
really underestimate our scales, like we a lot of.
What we? Do in the clinic is like, it's a
lot of this work, right? Like we, we talk to physician,
we we collaborate between different teams, we talk to
patient, we understand the patient experience because we
are their advocates. Like there's so much of what we
do that's already transferable. And I think what's changing is
that these companies are now realizing like, hey, like, OK,
doctors, of course, yes, they are essential to these
companies. But like nurse practitioners in
the same way that we've penetrated the primary care
markets and all of that, like, so we can actually really help
in biotech and pharma, right? Because we just have all of that
great expertise. And you don't necessarily need a
physician behind, behind these types of roles.
You do need them in some spaces, like a thought leadership and
things like that. But this before like MPs are
actually really, really great. So I'm, I love that people are
realizing that now that like these skills that that we are so
good at already exist. And really it's, it's really not
like changing your skill set. It's just using it in a
different application. That's such a great answer.
And that was what I was hoping you're going to say is that
there was really nothing we I needed to do because I've
already had these skills from being a nurse, from being a
nurse practitioner. And they translate so perfectly
into other fields that I love that you're encouraging more
nurse practitioners to consider this, especially with the
burnout rate. The, you know, sometimes kind of
like what you said to like I'm at a different season of my
life. I don't want to spend every day
out of the house. Like you can be more present
mom, you can be a more present mom when you're working in these
kind of spaces. And yes, there's some days you
have to go out, but it's not everyday.
Like you could still be in a a season of presence with your
family and be there and also have a very rewarding career.
Like it just, I just think it's really neat that you're, you're
shining light on us an area that it's like this is, this is a
total option like and you have the skills already.
You don't have to do anything. You have to go take out a test.
You don't have to go go pass a board like you already ready,
You just got to find it. So what would advice would you
give to a nurse practitioner? I was like, OK, so I'm kind of
interested in this. How do I find it?
Like where do I go? What are those keywords that I
need to be typing into indeed to find these things and be higher?
Yeah, I think I think exactly as you said, like the first step is
figuring out what role you like because there's so much that you
can do within these organizations.
And So what I do on my social media pages, like on my TikTok
mostly is where I'm present. Yeah.
And shed light on these roles because I think like, that is
where you get lost. That's where I got lost when I
was trying to figure out like, like, what do I search?
Like what are these titles? Like what you know, how to feed
and start. And so I tried to like back with
them to the best of my abilities between like roles for nurse
practitioners, roles for nurses and anything that's applicable
for an NP pretty much is the same for API.
You kind of just do NPPI like they do in other other spaces.
So that's nice too for P as to have that access.
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Now let's get back to the conversation.
But I would start there like going to see like what those
rules are and then if I forget what you said, the platform, you
were encouraging people to use it, but LinkedIn or whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you could start reading
through those job descriptions and understanding what these
companies are looking for and find your niche.
Like find what you are actually looking for.
There's clinical research side of things and R&D and then
there's like the sales and commercial side of things.
So really find like what you're, what your thing is and what,
what's going to bring you happiness.
And then set your job alerts, like start getting e-mail
updates when you know these companies are coming out with
these jobs. Because as soon as they put them
out, you should be applying. You want to be an early
applicant because that shows that you're really committed to
to that role in that company. Yeah, So every job comes with
challenges, period. I don't care what job you're
doing. Like they heard the most
rewarding job, lot of challenges, right?
Like every job we do is tough. So what are some of the
challenges in this space that maybe you didn't know or you
found as you've been in it, that you're like, this is hard.
You can overcome it, but it's hard.
Yeah. So I would say two things.
One of it is that it kind of carries over from the clinical
world. I have struggled with this as an
MP of like being in the space of like a mid level provider, it
can be really challenging because you don't have the
expertise of a physician and you don't have the training of a
physician, but you are, you know, you have this like
advanced degree that kind of puts you in a different place
than a registered nurse. And so I've always felt like
that hierarchy continue kind of anywhere you go and can be
really challenging and it's OK. I think it's just like as a
nurse practitioner. I remember when I was in MP
school, my MP professor like the stuck with me forever.
She was like, you should know that for the rest of your career
you will be fighting, like you will be fighting to prove your
knowledge. You will be fighting.
You have people respond to you. And I think that goes into every
career. Like as I talk to some
physician, you know, even in the biotech phase, like there is
that response of like, OK, yes, like you have this clinical
expertise and Bone Norton plan or whatever it is, but then
there's also this position that are not going to respect you in
that same way. So I think that continues to
carry over. I don't think that changes.
Interesting. Completely different problem.
You know, that's good. Thank you for sharing light on
that. Yeah, I can see that.
And then the other piece of it is just with these biotech
companies, especially like the smaller startups, I think going
into it realizing that you don't have the same job security that
you would in the hospital setting.
And So what I did to protect myself because obviously, like I
have a mom and you know, we have a mortgage and there's just all
these life things, right? So I've kept my license up to
date. I pay for it, I renew it.
I need to rest my DM, ES and stuff so that I can renew it
because that job will always be there.
Like I can always go back to clinic.
I could always pick up shifts like I want to make sure that I
have that security. Luckily, I haven't had any
issues with that. Like I my company, the biotech
one that I was part of went through a couple different
reductions in force and layoffs and I was lucky to be a
survivor. But also understand that that
could be a risk for some people that is uncomfortable.
But I think as long as you're smart about it and you are, you
know, being better plans for yourself is a good space.
Yeah, yeah. You know, I think the hospital
kind of lulls you to sleep in that sense.
You kind of think you're super safe and that I've been laid off
from a hospital job. I mean, it is not, you know,
you're not safe anywhere. And so I think that recognition
that there is no job that you're 100% not going to get fired
from, I mean, working, you know, you see all the things that are
happening with just a change in president, right?
You change your president. Not everything's different.
Like it just things change, right?
And so you need to be diversified.
Your income streams as a nurse practitioner, you need to be
diversified. You need to be prepared for if
then, then this, you know, and one of the great things about
our degree and the things that I always harbor, which is why when
people come to me, they're like PA or NP and I'm like, well, how
old are you? Let's look at the story.
Like I kind of work through some of the details because sometimes
I'll be honest with you, like I think nurse is better and I
think nurse practitioner is better because of that option of
just being like, I can go be a nurse tomorrow and I can get a
job and start working. I get a $30,000 sign on bonus
just for taking the job. You know, like it would probably
be a terrible job because that's a red flag.
But it doesn't matter. Like I could go get money if
we're not going to be on the street, you know?
And so it's just one of those things where it's like when
you're in PA, like that's it. You can only be APA, but as a
nurse practitioner, I can go be a nurse practitioner, go be a
nurse. I I cannot need credentials.
I can just go get to work, you know, like so much flexibility
and that's in anything. And so I love that you brought
that up. And so the future of farm
biotech corporate nurse practitioners, like what is your
vision? If you could take a crystal ball
and say this is what I see, what would you say that you kind of
in the future being in this space?
Yeah. I mean, I think that companies
are definitely like, as I mentioned before, realizing the
value of an NP. And so I'm seeing that like
those roles, for example, medical science liaison, the
typically you would, you know, historically I've seen like M
DS, farm DS, pH DS, a lot more NPS are able how to treat that
market now because they're seeing the value that we can
bring. So if I had a crystal ball on
this, I threw in a little bit of what I wanted to happen, I
would, I would say that, you know, it would be very nice if
these companies would continue on that of like understanding
that we really do bring over you and errors into these roles.
There's just like, you know, Mark, those clinical outs, which
he said a lot of these companies and I think it's just nurses
just bring so much value. And I think that people are
realizing that. Yeah, I think sometimes too.
And you know, not to pit US against doctors, but is facts, I
feel like doctors serve a very like specific science clinical
role. And then nurse practitioner, as
we understand, again, like you said, not to the depth of the
clinical science per SE or even the the clinical research
process as much because a lot of them are very much into
research, which I think is something should be open up to
more of us to understand. Because I have a lot of interest
in it just naturally. But there's also the other
element where I feel like we see the patients and so we have more
of a connection to the people and we kind of see the whole
person more. So where doctors really get, I
think what is the word myopic, where they just focus in on like
clinical outcomes, put them on the Med and did it work or I cut
it out and is it gone? You know, they, they get a
little bit of that focus. And then we're just like, yeah,
I know. But does the patient have issues
with finance? Does, you know, we look at the
whole person? And so I really think that's the
holistic approach that really is needed to these collaborative
teams. It's like, So what if it's like
effective? Like, what if people can't
afford it? What if people can't get there
to get the treatment? Like those are the things that I
feel like the nurse has a real like as a pulse on more so than
what doctors are really worried about at times.
Does that make sense? Yeah, no.
And I agree. I think like to alongside the
like barriers of patient faces, like the logistics and the
workflow, like I said, like and he's in nurses really understand
like they say you have a patient that comes in, this is, you
know, the checklist of things that are happening and then
there's like another set. Like I feel like we, not that
physician don't, but I think we have a better grasp on it
because that's like what we are immersed in day in and day out.
And so when you think about like these biotech and pharma
companies that are creating these products for their
customers, patients and providers, like we have that
knowledge of like how this is going to work in their workflow
and like how we can get this successful.
So, yeah, I totally agree. I think we bring a different
lens. Yeah, I love that.
I think like for people that are wanting to learn more, I think
really just, I just want to encourage people to like just do
their research and really start to bring themselves to it.
It can be a long process, the application process, and it can
be sometimes discouraging because it's competitive, right?
Like there's a lot of people that are trying to get into this
market, but it's not impossible. I think just like believe in
yourself and push through and really shown in the skills that
you do have those as you're applying because it really does
go a long way. And then the last thing I'll
just sorry, you know, networking, you know, do your
best to continue to talk to people.
Message me like I'd be on LinkedIn.
I'm happy to, you know, to keep the conversation going, but
really try to keep that network going because you never know
who's going to be part of a company or hiring or, you know,
whatever that is. And that really does open the
door to opportunities. And once you get in, once you
have that first role, like everything changes for you.
And so, yeah, I just would encourage you to keep on going
or if it's something you're very passionate about.
Yeah. So when you were talking, it
made me think like, what are those key metrics on your resume
that make a difference in these jobs?
Because if I send over my clinical reference, right.
But I, it shows that I think I saw one of your Tik Toks and you
were like, if you have oncology experience as a nurse, like it
doesn't matter if you've not been like a nurse practitioner
in oncology, like you have experience in oncology as an RN,
like that will translate through.
What are some things that you notice like our key metrics or
key, you know, takeaways to put on your resume if you are a
nurse practitioner that's interested in getting into this
like field? Yeah, so I would say the two
things, and I think this is probably what you were referring
to with that TikTok is 1 is specialty experience.
Like if you have that, that is going to be like that is so, so
important. People love that.
Yeah. Like you have disease data
experience, like it could be an anything.
It doesn't. Obviously oncology is when we
talk about a lot because it's a huge part of the market.
But there's others like diabetes, if you've been a
diabetes educator, like really hone in from that, right?
Like if you're in a primary care clinic that sees like all these
diabetics and really manages them, like try to like brand
yourself as an expert in that because that you're about a long
way for these companies that are in that day.
So fresh and tea experience is 1 and then research experience I
would say is another. I think those are the two things
that really helped me. I have an uncle AG years
practitioner, Holly Naturi was just I was in Pediatrics.
So I was actually with the sub I for a lot of these clinical
research studies and I made sure to like really talk about that
and like my experiences with it and how I understood how to read
a research protocol. And I understood like, you know,
eligibility criteria and like whatever.
You could really like nitpick on your experience, like try to
bring that into location because that goes along like if you,
there's a lot of space for nurses in research.
And so if you do have any kind of research experience like I
would try to try to hover. And then the networking part,
right, because like, it's great when you apply and you send your
resume out into these open like black holes and then you never
hear back and you're like, I don't know why I didn't get it,
Like what wasn't, you know, whatever, because it really
matters who you know. I mean, that really is like,
it's everything, right? Like getting to have
conversations with people and just realizing like, no, this is
a solid person. They're my buddy, you know,
pushing the resume. I know you guys are looking with
somebody. Here's my friend, you know,
like, yes, these are critical things, right?
You need that. And so where, where can you be?
You know, you brought it up earlier, but where can you be
finding these networks of nurse? If we're all underground, how do
we know where they're where the underground party is?
You know what I'm saying? Like how do you know?
Yeah, you said I talk about networking is 1 just like almost
kind of like a cold call cold message on Lincoln where if
you've applied for a job trying to find who that recruiter is
And one of the things that John coming out some a lot of people
tend to do, which I'm just like, oh, this is working against you.
Do you not put like I'm interested under a job posting
like that is is not going to help your case.
If you're interested, if you're truly interested in a job, send
the person a message and XY and Z on why you're qualified and
why you think you would be a good candidate and how you would
bring value to that role right. Because if you're just like
commenting on people post like I'm interested, I'm interested,
like that's not going to do anything, right?
It's showing that you're almost taking a backseat and expecting
somebody to reach out to you because you're interested.
It's not about you being interested, It's about them
being interested in you ultimately, right?
You need to be able to bring that to the table.
So please stop doing that if you are doing that and make sure
that you're reaching out to people and you know, showing the
value that you can bring to them.
The second place, I'd love to just get in front of people
because I just built a different kind of connection.
So if you're able to attend conferences through your
company, like if there's like, let's say you're in Pediatrics
and there's like a big pediatric conference, like try to attend
those and start talking to some of the some of the vendors
there. Like they have usually like
monotech and pharma people there.
And then you could go in with interests of like a clinician,
but then you could potentially build connections there.
And so I would try to do that as much as though I think when I
was an MP in the clinical world, like I didn't go to any
conferences and I feel like that would have helped a lot.
Like there's so many pharmaceutical conferences.
So I think that helps. Yeah, that's so good.
Great advice, guys. That's how you get involved.
That's how you network in this space.
If you're interested and then also reach out to, you know,
Miss Shaw, reach out to her, let her know, like, I'm interested
in this. I want to hear more about it.
Like who do I, you know? And again, if you're just
clicking like I'm interested. Check Lincoln buy out you need
to. Show what value you bring to
their company, right? And that's the shift.
It's so easy in the hospital because they get how we're
valuable. Like it's very easy to show that
because it directly effects patient care.
We are involved in the patient care process.
So that's an easier, you know, buy in, they already get it.
But in the biotech space, in the pharmaceutical space, we're
trying to penetrate, as you're saying, we're trying to
infiltrate these areas and show our values.
And you've really got to kind of prove yourself.
And it's a different way of, of marketing yourself as as a
provider, because that's what we're all essentially doing
every day when we go to work, every day, when we send our
resume, every day when we message about something we're
interested in, we're showing how we market ourselves.
And so she's like, yeah, just market yourself well, because
just even that extra step shows people where your mind is, shows
people your initiative and kind of how you are.
Yeah, how you're just ready for that next opportunity.
And again, these are new spaces that we are cracking into, which
is going to require entirely different approach.
So don't just go call resume like now, like you've got to do
a little bit of extra work. I think that's really good.
Well, thank you for all those gems that you shared.
Your story is incredible. I'm just so inspired by people
that go where no one has gone before.
Like I like that it's such a Star Trek, you know, Enterprise,
like going what no one has gotten before type thing.
And I love it because we need more nurse practitioners going
into these spaces. But then also echoing back like,
Hey, I'm here, you're not alone. And come check out what we're
doing because this is incredible.
This is, you know, this can help you take a break from burnout.
This can give you a different opportunities.
Like I just am so excited to see what you're going to do with
this because you could get involved in a biotech startup.
You could be the head of a board.
You just have all these options now that as a little nurse
working in clinic that just thinks this is the grind.
There's no other option. It's like, no, no, no, no, that
girl or boy wake up. Like there's more, you know, And
I just love this field. I love nursing so much because
it just it always surprises me. It just it shouldn't surprise me
anymore, but it's just incredible.
Like we have so many options. So it really is a must.
So you ready for rapid fire? Hey, gosh, yes.
He's. So what are you most grateful
for in the whole world? My children, your.
Children, I thought, I thought that would happen.
If you had something good character to play you on TV, who
would it be? Oh my God.
I so bad at pop culture. Like I don't know any names of
any people skip. I feel like I want to guess but
I don't like know any like like super good like Indian
actresses. I don't know any like.
I. Know I was like, I know Ashwa
Rai. I know she's like like super.
What's her name? She's married to the Jonas
Brothers. Bianca Chopra.
Hi there. I'm Frank Flutter.
She's beautiful. She's very.
Kind of like, hey, she's not an actress, but I'm all Clooney.
I love her. She's not an actress, but I feel
like I just want to be here in my life.
Oh my gosh, that is the best answer to that questions, and
now you're giving me the best answer to that.
She's so classy. Like I don't know what it is.
No, no, no. Something about her.
It's like her vibration is higher.
Like I don't know what vibration you're on, but like it's up
there. I can feel she's not them.
All say and I'm like, oh I just want to.
She's class. No, no, no.
You can just tell. Like, she doesn't need money.
She's just classy on her own. She's just the way she is.
Yeah. Well, good pic.
If you had to give someone a book, what would it be?
If you had to give someone like this is the book.
Like, read this one. Game changer, Life changer,
whatever it is, which book would it be?
I'm really into the like Mel Robbins let them theory.
I don't know if you've heard of it.
It's like. She's a podcast, right?
It's in. Think it's she wear glasses,
they wear glasses. Yeah, and I don't think it's
like anything new that she's putting out there, but I just
like love how she talks about it.
It's like basically like taking the control off of other people
in your life and really just like the whole thing on
yourself. Like if there's somebody that's
not, if there's a company that's not hiring, let them right like.
And the. Opportunity will come up if you,
if your current workplace is not prioritizing you in the same way
that you would want to be prioritized or, you know,
promoted, let them you'll be leaving.
I mean, like there's just so much of that that I really love.
I think it just takes the pressure off of the control that
like you don't have over other people and just like focus and
drives back on you. Yeah.
No, that is that's that is a word for today.
That is a whole episode because it it truly is the the case.
And that's another reason why I started this podcast is because
it's like, I don't want nurses just be like, I'm so burned out.
It's just like mantra of just like sad ass free.
And it's like set yourself free. Like, come on, we've got too
many options. Like you've got so many things.
If you don't enjoy this, go do something else.
Like I just I can't with that. And again, I I know it's
grinding work. I know that like all of it is
tough and that's just life, right?
Like if there's a part of this that is just going to be hard
because it's just the world that we live in.
But there's also that reframing your mindset of like, I'm not a
victim here. Like I can choose, you know, I
think that's really good. All right, so that's it for
rapid fire. The success NP quote of the day
is success is getting what you want.
Happiness is getting what you get by WP Kinsella.
So we like success here because we we talk about success.
The reason why the podcast is named Success NP is because of
the fact that success is not an end goal you get as you go
through the journey. And it's just, yeah, like I want
every nurse practitioner to be successful in their own right.
You are not a victim. You have endless options.
And whatever that success looks like for you, the nurse degree
will probably get you there if you continue searching for what
it is that you want, because it's out there.
Yeah. So anyway, yeah, I.
Love that. Yeah, you do have to pen that to
find it, yeah. Yeah, I think that's so good.
Thank you for your time today. Thanks for coming on the
podcast. Where can people find you on
LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok? I've stalked you.
Your stuff's super cute. I love your hair.
I don't know how all the Indian girls have the most amazing
hair, but you guys all So yeah, tell me who they can find you.
Yeah, so on social media, I'm at NPTNPTEEKS.
And then, yeah, LinkedIn, I'm just my full name, Ankita Shah.
Definitely feel free to add me, message me.
I try to get back to as many people as I can, but yeah, I'm
sure to help. I just want to be a resource for
people that are looking to find their happiness in nursing
again. Right, That's another big part
of success is like leaving bread crumbs for others so that they
can see how you created your successful career, right.
It's so not just about getting to that spot for yourself.
Success is so multifaceted. It's also that time when you get
to that spot and then you look back and you go, how do I help
others, you know? Yeah, I love that.
That's. Exactly where I feel like I am.
I feel like I, I didn't have those resources when I was
looking and I'm like, I wish somebody would just like talk
about it. Thus, yeah, 100%.
Love that. Love it, love it, love it.
Well, thank you for your time, guys.
Thanks for listening, thanks for hanging out.
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