Hi there. My name is dr.
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And let's get started with today's guests.
Hey guys. On today's episode, I have an
conch lie. She has an MBA MSN, and she is
in a PRN in a clinical nurse Midwife.
She is a certified life coach for women in nurses, who want to
cultivate their next level of life and business.
She's the founder and owner of authentic coaching LLC, and she
creates time, and space and offers tools for her clients to
cultivate change, through coaching and mindset, work and
zwarst. To date honors her purpose and
her passion of supporting women on their journey.
I am so excited to share this conversation with you guys today
and I hope that it inspires you to think about business
differently and to think about your jobs as nurses and nurse
practitioners and a different light.
So let's hear from and welcome and to the doctor nurse podcast.
So happy to have you on today. Hi, thanks for having me.
Let's Dive Right In, what's your job title?
My name is Ann kaczka. Ugly.
I'm a certified nurse Midwife and a life coach and I'm the
founder of a business that's called authentic coaching LLC.
My role is that I provide group coaching and one-on-one coaching
to advanced, practice nurses, and two women, entrepreneurs,
who are looking for some support of cultivate.
Their next level. My role is a life coach.
I am a listener, I am all the things.
Yeah, and it Master supporter guide.
Got it. Do you currently?
Because a midwife or are you just doing the life coaching
left? My clinical practice is a
certified nurse Midwife back in the middle of 2018 by was
serving as a medical director for Women's Health practice.
And I left that role at being a full scope Midwife, and a
medical director, and a co-director of our centering
pregnancy program, and left that role.
Am a clinical practice, the middle 2018 and opened my
business, incredibly Brave. How did you get to this spot in
your career cuddle? Walk me.
Through that process from when you decided to be a nurse until
right now. We're you decided it's time to
bust out on my own. I knew really I wanted to be a
midwife first. I saw, when I was probably five
or six a berth on 60 Minutes Or Dateline, some sort of a show,
we were watching as a vampire, I'm forget it, but I saw this
water birth and I was glued to the TV and I'll never forget it.
I thought I want to do that. Whatever that is.
When I was in high school, I did a rotation with a midwife and
then An OBGYN like cock set of twins with the Midwife at the
outpatient setting and it was phenomenal.
I decided then that I wanted to again it confirmed.
My interest in birth. I went to my undergrad at Loyola
University in Chicago and was considering medical school and
considering, but wait for a school.
I chose Midwifery school because it felt more authentic to what I
wanted to do, which was to catch babies.
I had very little interest in surgery.
I went to the nursing program. I got it accelerate at As in
nursing after finishing up, I first bachelor's in psychology
and then I started to work in labor delivery.
I was there for about a year, but the only reason I knew going
to nursing school was a step to Midwifery school.
I literally despise every moment that was not labor.
The one day that I was on labor delivery, I worked for a year
because the requirement for when I was in Chicago, I went to
University Illinois, Chicago requirement, was that I did have
a Year's worth of experience. So I worked a year and Alan d.
I apply very quickly thereafter and Was accepted EYC.
I then went on and completed the Dual certification program for
Midwifery and to be a woman thought that Pete, I graduated I
did the part-time program, works the whole time did some travel
nursing through that. And, and then graduated in three
years that was in Chicago, I husband, and I are both from
Cleveland. We decided to move back from
Whole, to be closer as a family. We were ready to start a family
of our own. We moved back to Cleveland in
2008. And, and then I started working.
I worked for Kaiser Permanente. Initially they over like don't
tell anybody or Midwife we just want you to work as an NP at the
office. And I was like, fine, the,
Midwifery community and Cleveland is a little bit more
tight-knit and I was really coming in as an outsider, their
work just as many opportunities that I didn't have that Network
established to really use it to my advantage.
Like I did it to cago. I love Chicago, three offers and
coming back here. It was like starting over a
little bit just in terms of building on that work.
My aunt was worked at Kaiser. She hooked me up with the chair
of the department. He was great.
I started there. I negotiated with them to or to
begin to take call and to begin to catch babies.
And so I was there for a couple years and then a full scope
position opened up at a large academic Medical Center here in
Cleveland called University Hospitals.
And I applied for that knowing full well that I love academic
medicine and I just love the, the learning opportunities of
grand rounds, that guidelines and all that stuff.
I was there for about eight years total and through that.
I grew and became an assistant medical director to the clinic.
One of the X where our Midwifery division did about 60% of the
visits. And that 40% was the resident
continuity clinic for our Residency program, I became the
assistant medical director. And then I moved into the
medical director role, and we built a large ambulatory Medical
Center and along the way I convinced my chair to, I thought
it would be cool to be a coach and there was this program here
at case where I done some Executive Education.
I just asked him like Hey would you pay for me to go and get
Coaching certificate and he said, yeah, no problem.
And I was like how we use it and I've always loved the
mentorship. I had always been the go-to
person and my department, whether it was for friends or
colleagues or whatever, I'm like hey I was like that.
Hey, what do you think of pay? Can you talk to you about this?
We're just figuring what let me just let me get some skills more
Tools in my tool belt. So I did the coaching
certification program, he paid for it and which was awesome.
And then, at the same time is gave my NBA it case because I
was also going through a very Very it had a pretty impressive
shoulder dystocia during one of my births.
And if so, I was catching this baby and had a this baby just
had a tough birth and, and all worked out we had, but healthy
mom, healthy baby and I just really do after that.
It just shook me to my core in terms of just the all the so
long to know the feelings and just the like what it was, a
moment of where I really just questioned.
Can I do this and I, okay. If I can't, I've caught, I don't
know, seven, 700 750 babies, something like that at this
point and I've witnessed thousands of births at this
point. I've seen many shoulder dystocia
as I was catching this baby during this one in particular
with one of my physician colleagues because we kind of
had a sense that we were going to have a bigger baby that we
may have some more challenges with the birth.
So we would put there and we were like fully prepared as much
as you can because we cannot provide we cannot predict and
Cannot really prevent shoulder. So she said, to be honest,
that's at least what the research supports and I would
agree. Anecdotally is clinician.
That's true, we got in there, we had an entire team.
I had all everything I had exerted as much control and I
could, and that situation and I still felt like, oh, it's white
control. Yeah, and so I thought, I don't
know if I'm okay with that. How am I?
He wore experiences and this I can do because when cell so
interesting, is that from being, I know you said, you're coming
up on You have 15 years of Health Care.
I had gotten to the point where the worked nights for 15 years.
Whether it was, I'll call as a midwife or it was s analogy
Durst and between that. And then some of the tralala,
Etc, of the black sleeve, I had gone through a year or two worth
of this, finding a goiter being diagnosed with Hashimoto's
thyroiditis, multiple thyroid, biopsies, fearing that I cancer.
And that I had two young kids and I was going to like Diet,
leave them mother lives. And if these are all that felt
like Like these are all the thoughts that were Brewing going
on in my head and then I was like, what am I doing?
Like is the juice worth the squeeze?
That was this. Thought this question, I have it
just kept coming up again and again and again.
And so I knew from when I started working with a life
coach through my coaching certification program, I started
to just see like that there was a could be some other options,
but I had to do something and sit, right?
And so and then I was also in this MBA course called, living
the Life in. The only reason I took a way,
I'm just talking with another it's practicers yesterday about
how we don't, I think as a profession have like
entrepreneurship is not really a very common word in our
vocabulary, right? And so so I even had, then
course, been titled entrepreneurship 101.
I want to take it because I would have been like what what
is that like who? I've not, that's not me.
I don't even know that word is, but it was called living the
good life. And I was like, I want that.
I'm just I don't know, it's under the guise of living, the
good life and suddenly entrepreneurship.
Yeah, and I was like that. I want that I want that, I want
to of those like sighting of. I'll be there every night.
I don't care about it since the way there are Super Size Me.
Yes, okay. What is this?
So I got in there and my professor was, it was really
good. He's an entrepreneur and he
brought in many people who talked us.
One of whom was hell, Elrod who wrote The Miracle morning and
brought in all these guest speakers to talk.
Talk about how they build their businesses.
I mean, it was like guy if you ever watch guy Roz, how I built
this on a PR. It was like he put his own,
like, how I built this together for our class and that was our
entrepreneurship present. Fascinating to just understand
that there was you could take something and idea that you had
and you could build it. And I just that wasn't even in
my awareness. It just, I just did.
And then, you know, right? And the other thing I know, and
I live in the state of Ohio. We do not yet have full Practice
Authority. And so, in my mind I'm big
barrier that I had put up was like, you can't ever do it
practices. You don't have full practice
Authority well but that's total BS.
I mean in general, right? Like you could do anything on
bright and full practice their Authority and not like can still
make things happen, but to me, that felt very real.
That was a story that felt very real.
Like I can't that's not for me that life.
I went through this class and one of the gals who he
interviewed was Julia. Reisler, who is a life coach at
a long table? Career career at Panera and she
built this big business and I was like taking notes furiously,
because I thought, what is this thing?
Like life coaching? And I was in this coaching
certification program and I thought I had this thought,
which will be more. Took this alongside your MBA
correctly, you were in your NBA NBA.
I'm getting my coaching certification.
We're building the clinic, I'm acting as medical director.
I'm like, oh my God, these two babies.
And I know a partner at home and all, it's just Going on.
And then it was this like this perfect storm.
And, and I also dealing with some of these like Health,
concerts and so's this perfect storm, and I had this one
thought of when Julie started talking about this business that
she built. And that book that she wrote, I
was like, oh my God, I can do that.
And I was like, Wow. And I was like life coaching.
I was like, I don't even know, I don't have to have a physician
collaborator. I can open my own business, I
can charge whatever I want. I can provide whatever service I
think is useful to the people who I want to sir.
And I literally it was that one thought, which I can do this, I
when I looked at the catalyst. So funny I looked at the girl
next to me who she was so nice to meet Anna and she and I had
been like NBA Buddy's gone through many courses together
and she I was again taking notes furiously and she say next and
she and I experienced that class very differently.
My experience was that I literally was like, I'm out.
I'm out, I'm going, I'm going to quit my job.
I'm going to open a business. I would build it.
I'm going to be a life. Coach and I'm going to provide,
I'm going to build an Empire that was like literally the
birth of that. And she was sitting there and
she was like, wow, that was interesting and I was like,
interesting. I was like, wait a minute like
I'm gonna do that. She was like, oh yeah, yeah,
everybody was like, packing up their things like I, maybe
should go. And I was like, did you guys did
you guys cure that she go out and I was like, where you just
like witness to that whole thing?
Because I was and it like, literally changed.
I ended up I went home that night and I Like second, my
husband and I was like, I'm quitting my job.
Like, I'm quitting my job in six months, I'm gonna be a life
coach. I'm going to build a business.
I'm I'm glad it out. He was like, all right, let's do
it. So we have a good partnership
and we kind of came up with just a scenario in terms of how to
float whether or not we could do it with one salary and, and how
to, we were all sort of make to my kids.
And just got out of daycare. We paid off our cars and I
finished school and I was like, Frida is Costly one Scout.
Then I just started from there. I gave my word to give 120 days
notice at work and so I did that.
I plan to leave. We just opened our this Ability
Center. We've been working on this
project for three or four years of Designing.
It building it going to do site visits of other places across
the country. And so I wanted to get them
through the first year. I did.
I just, I got just shy of about that first year, left in the
June, and then I was Off to the Races.
Wow. And the rest is history.
You have had your own business now for how many excuse me.
Okay. Two years, one of the things
that as you were talking I think it's so true that you do get
inspired when people tell you. This is what I did to go get
free. There are moments in your career
especially as a nurse practitioners, where you start
to realize, like, okay, what is my business potential here?
You don't get that training in school where you start to learn,
like, okay, what's the business side?
I'd of things you just think like, okay, I'm just gonna go
out. I'm just going to start curing
patients. I'm just going to start seeing
people. I'm just gonna start making a
difference and then you start realizing in the rat race of
work and also risk, you're taking while you're doing
whatever field you're doing, you might want to consider taking
the risk on yourself and our profession has always been where
the rvu system. And productivity has been
measured right where war in at the past probably 10 years of
this universe. Our movement toward compensation
based on productivity, but it wasn't always that way.
But we've always had this broad measure of productivity for our
views, but I think as you've seen incident to building,
essentially on her physician or building other than Pi, many
organizations. And rightfully.
So I've just discourage any of that practice because it really
doesn't show all the value that we create.
And so, when you begin to get a better sense, whether you're
looking at data from MGM a where you're looking from Sullivan
Cotter, you start to look at Productivity and how much value
we create in terms of gross billable revenue on a yearly
basis or or are you. So we produce or procedures that
are done or break down a few? When you begin to see that you
create five hundred thousand, six hundred thousand eight
hundred thousand dollars in Revenue a year and that's not
from what, you know, your partners are doing.
That's not from what your colleagues.
This is just what you produce this.
You begin to see that and it's measure all and Understand like
many kites who go through this right after we're having light
bulb. Moments of like wait a minute,
wait a minute, like hold on. Yep.
What is ebbing whack? Right?
Because if I producing seven hundred thousand dollars worth
of gross billable revenue for about an axis but I am getting
possible. Have your grandpa.
Yeah, so there's this many going and so sometimes it take, it's
just that it's the necessary. Like it's almost that pain of
being witness to be. Wait a minute, I'm making one
seventh of what I produce. Yet if I were a private
practice, I would be able to make roughly about a third.
I mean right? Like owners pay can convey very
at were 30 or 50 percent on a private practice.
The more freaking boring that I think, the more technical that
we get in terms of skills, procedures and tools of use the
higher our operating costs do. But the reality is, there's
still a March in. There it is a health lot better
than it is when you are sitting and working 80 hours a week on
and salaried, we're covering somebody else's vacation and
Working an extra 10 hours a week.
In terms of finishing up notes doing extra result management.
And you're like, what am I doing?
Yep. Hundred percent correct.
I totally agree with you and I think that that's what I have so
enjoyed interviewing entrepreneurs.
Interviewing people that have taken their careers into their
own hands is that other people can see, like, wake up sister,
brother, whoever you are wake up and see your value because if
not just if you really like your job, Job and go back into go,
she ate four more like you don't necessarily have to go bust out
on your own. That might not be what you want
but at least go back and go listen I know what I bring in
and do the math and go back in with numbers.
So go in with a motion going with numbers they talk a lot
louder than I don't feel like I'm getting paid.
Well it's like okay let me show you what I'm bringing in me.
Show you what I'm worth and I think I could do better.
I can have somebody else pay me more because that's what these
numbers are showing. I think that's that's great
advice. That's what I think as a
realization that Came to my career that spurred me to want
to talk to other people about this because I think nurses need
to know that. I was actually like go from a
job because of numbers and it was really painful that I was
sleeping. I wasn't awake.
I wasn't paying attention and my boss pulled me in and he's like,
we don't have the money for you and I'm watching new buildings.
Go up all around me and I'm watching all this stuff and I'm
just like, wait why you don't have money for me, what does
this mean? And he's like you're not
bringing in your salary, you're not bringing in RV, use and we
and almost like I will never be in this position again.
Once you Get caught sleeping like that.
You never want to be asleep again.
I want to know what I'm doing. When I'm bringing hear, what my
value, what my productivity is. I need to know those numbers in
those metrics. Tell me about one of your
biggest successes and our highs in your career up into this
Polo. There are several, but my
purpose really is to be like to support women on their Journey,
right? And so I've done that, probably
two big ways. I've done that and my work as a
midwife and have contributed tremendously to this Center.
The 35,000, what Square foot in Beltre Center.
That's like at this, buzzing bee hive of activity, with several
Support Services to sign for our community in Cleveland Ohio,
where our infant mortality in particular for black women and
black infants is vastly higher than it is for white women.
White mom said, white infants, part of the work that I'm so
proud of is being able to be a part of the solution to provide
care. That is literally designed for
to help create more equity and it birth and more equity and
decreasing infant mortality. And so, and that's, that's a
huge investment. I think of Landry time.
Yeah. So I actually have a question
about that because I am half African-American and I do read
those statistics. It is very disturbing to me.
That, that is something that is going on.
And it's truth, right? Like now Carlos of your
political views, don't politicize Isis.
Just look at the numbers, right? Going back to those numbers.
The numbers don't don't lie. What do you think are some other
reasons why? That is the case?
Why are black women dying at higher rates than other racial
groups? It's like you said, like you
can't like numbers, don't lie. You can't look at two groups and
say that into mortality rate for black infants and the Huff
neighborhood is six to seven times higher than it is for
white infants, right? Or it Cuyahoga County, which is
our County which is where Cleveland is here, right?
Like you can A look at the preacher birth rates and say,
like merge dimes gives us a grade of D, right?
For our preacher level rates and we know preterm birth is one of
the biggest drivers it's immortality.
There are so many oppressive systems that exist that
contribute to the poor health outcomes for certain individuals
who those systems weren't designed for.
Whether it's you're talking about by the levels.
It Flint Michigan. And you're talking about infant
mortality level about rates here.
Cleveland namely that are higher for black and pencil.
Wait, intense and Machoke mortality rates which are higher
right on average rate of 3 to 4 times.
This is it on, this depends on your on where you are.
And because the data Cleveland Ohio is not the same as it is in
New York. It's not the same because it is
the LA or any other Chicago. But here in Cleveland, we're
looking at three to four times higher rate of death, more Town,
mugs for months, right? And maternal mortality rate for
black hoodies. That's right back because you
have to the right, you have systems that of Oppression, you
have a medical hierarchy that was built on the Backs and
patriarchy, right? That really isn't always favored
white cisgendered nails. Every system is designed to
produce the results that it produces right?
Like systems. Are they do, right, weather and
you've talked about this whether or not you're talking about
incentivizing, Physicians with higher rvu that C-section versus
vaginal births like, which do you get rev, right?
Well, yes, there's all sorts of but systems are designed to give
the results that they give. You just have to be curious
enough to look and say Ludo. What what systematically
actually designers Ambulatory Care Center that you set up, you
were working to break down. Those barriers org and smarter
create opportunity. We had a lot of community
involvement from the people of the huff.
And I mean, if you look at the state of Ohio, the data that
comes out of Huff, the Huff neighborhood, which is in the
city of Cleveland, which is in crap at County.
If we can address that it, our infant mortality rates for black
babies and for the maternal mortality rates for black mom's,
we will improve the Entire steel, that's Ground.
Zero in terms of where the most attention needs to be right now
today. And so we so our centers built
there and that was that was not an accident.
And I was on a very purposeful and intentional move to create a
space that provides multiple Services, its mental health, and
psychiatrists and psychologists and it provides quick and then
there's free parking. And then we worked with the RTA
to make sure that the bus light stopped in front of the
building. So that people the majority of
our patients. Who may not have access to a
car, who could have access to public transportation that they
could get there. And then providing also people
with bus tickets and rides with Uber to improve their ability to
get to us, right? And then also offering a
pharmacy in house offering a lab and bringing as many services
and now with building. So that it's amazing, right?
And then also the other part of this too is creating a safe
space for programs. And for care, that is provided
to the community. So Programs like centering
pregnancy that have much better rates in terms of preterm birth
than traditional and apart and care.
So, integrating or centering pregnancy.
It's a multi-prong approach. It's not perfect.
People will say, yeah, you don't have enough black midwives and
yes, there, we don't have enough black midwives and state of
Ohio. We don't have enough black
midwives in the United States to my dress like all of the
Midwifery care. That's delivered.
It's very white, Midwifery population, and especially
delivering care in many places to eat.
Not quite population, right? And that means a whole nother.
Breeding brag or worms? Yeah, I also feel like just to
give a shout out like, some of the best nurse midwives I've
ever met. They just, they care about
people. And I feel like, regardless of
your skin color, if I had a nurse practitioner that walked
in that just cares. I don't care what you look like.
And so I kind of feel like I agree with you, like you connect
more as an African-American to Someone who's African-American,
I get that. But also I've had nurses that
are just white or Hispanic or whatever and they walk into the
room and you just go like this person just cares about.
That's one of the things that made the difference in my
journey. When I was having my son I had a
Hispanic nurse practitioner Midwife and she changed the
whole thing. She just walked in and was like
you're going to be okay and just having that person there I think
as an African-American part African-American.
You feel like someone's looking out for me and that immediately
brings the energy down and I've spoken to many African-American
women as well. And they've had people in that
same situation like they're midwives or their doulas, not
just care. I want to say that because I
know that we are lacking black midwives and if you're a black
nurse and you like Midwifery go be a midwife we need you like
but in the same time I feel like the white people that are there
are doing. I feel Like so many of them are
doing a really good job. I just want to say that, okay, I
think the other piece so here we have to acknowledge our
maternal. Mortality rate is not on
accident. I'm still have structures that
favor with a lot of white privilege, especially the
medical hierarchy and that also moves down into Midwifery.
It's in, it's pervasive in nursing.
I was just talking about this one of the events.
I said that, like, we even have a pay Gap right?
For nurses who were does site versus nurses who identifies one
day. And you'd that's not even
getting into the That the secretary could have level of
differentiation right by your B skin color or level of
Education. We have these systems in place.
And so even though despite the fact that we have individuals
for think come into the profession, just as I did which
is being a being someone who wants to catch a baby at, who
wants to be a good change and create impact.
We have people who come in, who are good inherently, good
individuals and their with draped in the systems that are
creative. They're big, and they're
definitely needed to produce. This the outcomes of that, the
results they produce, and the individuals within systems,
especially the bigger that they get, the less ability that the
individuals have to have voices that are heard.
You just get this perpetuation. I agree.
Does it actually starts to take away from what the individual
person is doing. If the system is working against
the person. Yeah, hundred percent agree.
If we had red, we and individuals who were who were
saying, no, we will not agree to.
We will we will look at every policy.
Make sure that it does not Discriminate People based on
skin color, we will make sure that we have, you know, equity
and Turks are hiring practices. We will make sure that we set up
the system, right? We don't often do that, right?
This is a broader industry standard of starting to say, oh,
we have to have a diversity equity and inclusion officer.
I don't know. What were we doing that in, for
the past 400 years? Yeah, no, I think you're right.
I think that as you describe this whole process, especially
the position that you were in. You really did get a bird's-eye
view of the business aspect of healthcare, right?
Like yup. You worked on putting together a
system and you also have an MBA. You've got that mindset of like
how is this system working either for the people or against
the people. And so I know that you've got a
really good understanding where the disparities are because you
can see them and you can go listen.
Like this isn't going to set up for this to be successful.
Like, we've got a change have or at least have somebody in there
pointing out. Like okay, wait a minute, I get
that. You want to move forward with
their, but do you realize that this is going to occur?
Load these people. Yes.
And the other has a very pointed that out.
Yes. The you hundred percent to and
then I think too just to be my fault.
The reality is that the Endeavor, I think that I
contributed to was in terms of the center that we've built.
And I think the broader kind of Realm of such as these projects
get bigger and bigger, like, I started to realize that my role
was just in helping to facilitate conversations and
creating the space and then allowing the space and to
flourish allowing the people who needed it to be able to access
it in a way that That felt safe in trustworthy to them and that
all, and also brings in all your Community Partners.
It has to be like a big approach.
Like a big ending approach. This isn't that systems, are big
and in order to kind of dismantle some of the systems
that exist, you have to kind of get real creative about how we
were going to create if we could create a system that served in
the way that we need it to do. So how could we do that?
And that's what we do, that's really cool.
So give me one of the Challenges that you had to overcome in your
career, something that you said, I mean it could even be some of
the health issues that you described it.
Just something that you say this was really hard and I had to I
had to work to overcome it. Oh, you want to someone if they
be thinking about 10 know, I think there's a lot.
I think one of the biggest ones you know, for me is that that
comes out more and more terms of the coaching that I do is that I
think we clinicians. We a test only speak for my own
experience of being a woman but I think there's this tendency
for perfectionism, there's a tendency for people, pleasing,
there's tendency for that I have had for and cheating in order to
prove my worth and to be right to feel worthy only in the past
couple of years. Can I look back at that and say,
oh, that's an interesting that's just when I there's a, there's a
process for understanding how to create worth and that does it
come from a new certification, it doesn't come for
people-pleasing and it doesn't come protectionism.
It comes from a really deep They routed intuitive sense of Ivanov
and that I work with my life coach and that's something that
I struggle with, and I wish I could say that.
Well, I don't even wish I could say it was different because
this is what it is. And so disturbing my, it's a
journey of my work. Now is to begin to say, okay,
what stories, my willing to put on heavy grade Pete and allow to
be present in terms of the impact.
I want to create the business that I want to build and the
lives that I want to support that's Ali.
Cool, and any mentors along the way.
Here you talk a little bit about a love life coach.
So you are a life coach and you have a life coach.
Any other mentors that you felt like along the way, really
helped you like to get to the point where you are today.
Yeah, I think there have been so many and each season.
There's always been one or two. Will have really stepped up and
where I've I'm someone who enter her later and so like to have
relationships in this comes out of Clifton streets which is the
backbone of some of the coaching that I do.
I'm a person who like closer Relationships.
I don't need a high quantity, but I want high quality of
relationships. And so, I have had one or two
people, essentially who are now on my, what I call my personal
board of directors. They are the people to whom.
I go. When I have, I'm trying to
figure something out, I'm kind of trying to sort out and I know
I can go to them and they will give me an Essence like a clear
opinion, they'll bring that to the surface where sometimes I
want, but there have been people all along the way and there.
They now sit they have a seat at my board table as my personal
bar. Directors team, they are the
ones that I go to for all sorts of questions and when I need a
little bit extra But it includes a life coach and includes a
business coach includes some of the past positions I've worked,
but that includes some close friends who will tell it like it
is and not feed bunch of BS. Yeah, no the board structure.
So, it's community. And what advice would you have
for a nooner starting off in her career?
That is wondering where to get started, or what is something
that you wish you would have known?
Start of your career. I think that you get to choose
how you do it. There's not a right way, there's
not a wild way despite what you will be told there is no.
Right. There's there's really not a
right way to do things. I mean even we know with art of
medicine like there's a handful of antibiotics that can work in
multiple situations, right like inescapable.
So there's you get to choose whether or not you focus on
getting it right? Or you allow yourself the
opportunity to create and know that there are many ways to do.
Due to do a thing that that's something I always share with
clients and all of my mentees, very good.
The last part before we get into the rapid-fire where can people
find you? If they want life coaching?
If they think? What I think would be really
cool to talk to it and what where can they find you?
Give a Shameless plug you can find me on my website which is
www.hyken.com Clay CNN.com or you can find me.
My handle is and concretely. CNN on Instagram, Facebook,
Twitter and like Then please connect feel free and reach out
connect. I love to connect with people
and I love what I do. So, if you have any questions,
you're like his life coaching for me.
I don't know what's a business coach and send me a DM or an
email, happy to connect you, you know, with someone in mind that
worker, that's not me, but happy to provide the resources.
Very cool. And for the last part, the
rapid-fire questions? Questions questions question.
If you could spend a day at someone else's shoes, who would
they be Cobra? I want to see that.
How could I, when I have the chef I want to have Gail.
I wouldn't have said, man. I think I love that.
I don't either. I've never seen her.
Like I'm like, oh, wow. Look at like, what that looks
like a closet. Like that's and if someone were
to play you in a movie, who would you want it to be?
God could prepare for this? Could have prepare.
No, I couldn't. I always used to get like that.
It looks like Alyssa Milano, but I think that's just from look
standpoint. Not necessarily like might
actually be if I probably wanted somebody to play me.
Have anybody? That's all right.
And what is one thing that your mother and father taught you
that completely changed your life.
If you have anything to share, it's probably something under
the guise of, do the thing. Do it with Integrity?
Yeah. Keep going.
Rinse and repeat rinse and repeat.
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