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Thank you, Santa. 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,500 So happy to be here. Thank you for having me. 45 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Yeah. All right. 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,300 So let's Dive Right into what you do. 47 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,600 So are you Just I guess my listeners kind of heard a little 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,300 bit about what you're doing, but they explain all the hats. 49 00:02:34,300 --> 00:02:36,100 You might be wearing several hats. 50 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,000 I am a mom. I am working full-time as a 51 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,200 psychiatric nurse practitioner and Community Mental Health. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,400 That's my w, Sue's position and then I have print out this year 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,800 started doing career Consulting and private membership services 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,200 for psychiatric nurse practitioners. 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,700 I found from a lot of my previous students that I've 56 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:59,500 observed, that it was something that was really needed. 57 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:03,300 It's And I kind of have been doing throughout my almost 11 58 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:06,100 years as a psych nurse practitioner, but I wanted to 59 00:03:06,100 --> 00:03:09,200 make something more for my like where I could really devote the 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,700 time to being with a person who is trying to stalk their careers 61 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:17,200 effect nurse practitioner figure out like what the options are 62 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,100 just like nurse practitioner and really get into some of those 63 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:23,800 intricacies and difficulties with some of the job and just 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,600 having a good support system like a mentor like myself. 65 00:03:26,700 --> 00:03:29,800 Yeah, that's really good. I love that you put mom is your 66 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:32,900 First job because that is our inverse job and I love that you 67 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,400 did that. And then, secondly, tell me a 68 00:03:35,408 --> 00:03:38,900 little bit more about your, your W-2 job, which is funny. 69 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:41,800 I think I love that. Yeah, so tell me a little bit 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,000 more about what you're doing, kind of in your clinical 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 practice and then we'll dive into your into your coaching 72 00:03:46,900 --> 00:03:49,200 mentorship business. Okay, awesome. 73 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,900 So, I see adult client every bike mental health nurse 74 00:03:52,900 --> 00:03:54,900 practitioner, and Community, Mental Health. 75 00:03:55,100 --> 00:03:59,700 What it can look like inside at the outpatient cracker and it's 76 00:03:59,700 --> 00:04:01,600 okay. Patients who sometimes are 77 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,600 underinsured or uninsured Medicaid Medicare and then we 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,600 also have clients who come from the jail system so they don't 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 have insurance at the time. So they assistant getting 80 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,500 connected to Services. We also have primary care 81 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:17,899 services are too so that helps out a lot as well. 82 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:22,500 And then we have patient to have what we call severe persistent 83 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,600 mental illness, so get the friend Mia, that the high 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,900 severity. So they have been fertilized 85 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:31,900 sometimes for several Years and they finally been stabilized 86 00:04:31,900 --> 00:04:34,700 after those years and then they're coming out and need 87 00:04:34,700 --> 00:04:38,200 continued outpatient care. So, 40 of my patients. 88 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,900 Currently have a high level of severity for the most part. 89 00:04:41,900 --> 00:04:46,300 Many of them do not all but many and so, but if the kind of work 90 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:48,800 that I like to do with the kind of work I enjoy, I feel 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,100 fulfilled by that and so I do that position. 92 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,200 It's so full time but not full time. 40 hours, I do 32 hours a 93 00:04:56,207 --> 00:04:59,700 week full time with us. Yeah and so balancing mom and 94 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:03,400 were Kirk. And now, adding on this side 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,800 hustle, Danielle said you precepted for 11 years and then 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,300 you decided, let me create a formal program to help psych 97 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:15,100 mental, health, nurse practitioners, kind of get their 98 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:18,600 career started, and how to negate in their careers. 99 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,600 What were you finding? When you are precepting 100 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,600 students? That you noticed, something's 101 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,800 missing here and I can feel that guy. 102 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,100 Yeah, so what I found was truly missing. 103 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:29,700 Is they really didn't understand? 104 00:05:29,900 --> 00:05:33,400 And the beside of healthcare, they didn't understand what were 105 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,600 the best ways to be successful in their careers. 106 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,500 They knew like, okay, if I do good work, it patient gets 107 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:41,000 better. Yeah, I'll be good. 108 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,500 But there's more than that as you probably know as well. 109 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:45,800 There's more than that. Just about the patient doing. 110 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,300 Well, it's also about continuing your education, continuing to 111 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:53,000 network, so you can find better opportunity more opportunities 112 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,000 by mentorship client support from other colleagues. 113 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,000 So they really lacks an understanding those types of 114 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,600 processes. And then a big thing for psych 115 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,200 mental health nurse practitioner. 116 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,100 That probably other nurse practitioners fine with job. 117 00:06:06,300 --> 00:06:09,200 Is that a lot of? Well, I don't feel like some 118 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,700 mental health practices that have like all therapists. 119 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,600 They look to hire a bike in pink because they're like, okay, we 120 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,200 have a lot of therapy clients, but add a not b MP, someone who 121 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,800 can do medications, they'll be a great idea and it is, but they 122 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,300 don't fully understand the capacity and the pope and all 123 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:30,400 the supports that a spike provider would need For, you 124 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,900 know, for care, for they're just like kind of throw the person in 125 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,500 the mix thinking, well, we got this thing going, but going to 126 00:06:35,508 --> 00:06:38,800 work and it doesn't, if you don't really truly know what 127 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:41,100 type of mental health nurse practitioner needs. 128 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:43,600 If you don't truly know what their billing is life, what 129 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,500 their day is kind of like, and what kind of support they need 130 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:48,700 by. For example, up admin, assistant 131 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:50,500 medical assistance, something like that. 132 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,000 So I found that new nurse practitioners are getting into 133 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,600 those chickens, and then drowning might be a strong word, 134 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,000 but we're having some struggles that they just didn't realize 135 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,700 that would even come. Gotcha. 136 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:05,200 Gotcha. So staying and as you have been 137 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,000 helping these current psych nurse practitioners, you know, 138 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,500 that are new in their career. What have you been able to 139 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,200 provide for them? Some of the think I can provide 140 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,000 is really survive for them out, saying, okay, what kind of job 141 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,300 are you looking at, or do you want? 142 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:23,600 And they can talk to me about like what their what they enjoy 143 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,100 those types of things and talk about what they are looking 144 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:27,300 into. So, let's say they're looking 145 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:31,100 into going to a private practice that has Pyramid Ivory. 146 00:07:31,100 --> 00:07:33,500 Okay well let's talk about. Have you talked to them about 147 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:36,400 what kind of dissent they have in place already have you talked 148 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,700 about what kind of like policies they have but they might have 149 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:41,900 therapy policy but not medication management policies 150 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:44,000 which are which can be different, sometimes they look 151 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,800 similar but a lot of times they look different, you know, are 152 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,600 they willing to have you some medication management policies? 153 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:51,800 You know, different things like that. 154 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 So helping with guiding them to think about these processes, 155 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,300 I'll help them even draft some of the policies that they're 156 00:07:58,300 --> 00:07:59,500 like. I'm not sure what Authority. 157 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,100 Which is okay. That's, you know about a crime. 158 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:03,800 I'll say okay, let's help you draft. 159 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,300 Someone speak about like things that come up with medication 160 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:07,900 management. Let's think about things, we 161 00:08:07,900 --> 00:08:10,300 need to have in place so that patients already know kind of 162 00:08:10,300 --> 00:08:12,100 what to do. So some of that are things that 163 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:15,000 I've you, I also help them with kind of figuring out, what may 164 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,900 be a best fit for them, some nurse practitioners like nurse 165 00:08:17,900 --> 00:08:20,700 practitioners are like. Well, I'm not ready to be like, 166 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:23,300 completely on my own. I don't really want to do like a 167 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:25,400 private practice. Could I would feel too alone, 168 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,900 which is okay by popular about like, okay, some options to be 169 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:31,000 like Community Mental Health. That is a lot of us all 170 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,700 together. It could be an inpatient 171 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:35,400 hospitalization, it could be a crisis stabilization unit. 172 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:37,700 So I saw something about the options because it's also 173 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:42,000 possible during their training. They may have only seen two 174 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,800 maybe three kind of setting for Quakers tactician so they may 175 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,600 not be aware of like all the possibilities and what that 176 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,300 could look like full ports. Yeah. 177 00:08:50,500 --> 00:08:53,100 Yeah. I feel like I don't need to see 178 00:08:53,100 --> 00:08:55,300 on job postings nurse practitioner. 179 00:08:55,300 --> 00:08:57,600 Psych mental health, nurse practitioner, remote jobs. 180 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,700 They get is like an absolute Joy. 181 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,700 Goldmine for psych nurse practitioners to be able to walk 182 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:06,200 in and start, you know, with a remote position. 183 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,600 And so I was thinking if you were a nurse practitioner and 184 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,200 you had your site degree and you were like, I think I want to do 185 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,400 remote care. What is something that you would 186 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,700 help her, you know, figure out, like think here. 187 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,000 Yeah. What are some of the concepts 188 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,300 that you think that, you know, if somebody came, he was like, 189 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,900 Hey, listen, I want to be a remote nurse practitioner in 190 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:27,800 Psych, you know, help me out what something right knee would 191 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,000 suggest to her, right? Yeah, that's true. 192 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,200 That's a really good question for the actually going to post 193 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,900 about this about telepsychiatry said, I have gotten that 194 00:09:35,900 --> 00:09:39,000 question a lot and so what I tell people do out for quite 195 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,000 some time and I don't tell you what to do but let me give you 196 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,100 some things to consider. So I tossed him about like okay. 197 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:47,700 Have you ever done any kind of Telehealth before had? 198 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:51,500 So you feel like you can do and comprehensive assessment over 199 00:09:51,500 --> 00:09:53,800 Total Health? Some people might say I'm not 200 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,500 really or I'm not sure if I'm going to see this much of the 201 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:58,800 perfect I mean that's okay. But I asked them about. 202 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,700 Okay. What are you? 203 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,700 Your thoughts about when you need to assess something 204 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:05,400 morphism, because all medication, no matter what you 205 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,700 give someone can have physical side effect. 206 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:10,300 And mental health are a lot of medications that have a 207 00:10:10,300 --> 00:10:13,500 possibility of causing that disorders or movement issues 208 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,400 sir. So, you know, I've kinesia. 209 00:10:15,700 --> 00:10:16,600 Yep. That's one of them. 210 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Have no death for that. In a setting like this. 211 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:25,300 Do you feel comfortable Investing For That in that 212 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:26,500 setting? What kind of funds we do? 213 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,400 You ask? And so kind of the student 214 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,000 understands through some of The same talking to them about like, 215 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:34,700 you know, do you feel like you have good enough boundaries that 216 00:10:34,700 --> 00:10:37,600 have a person answers your Telehealth appointment and 217 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,100 they're driving? What are you going to do? 218 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:41,600 But those are type of can happen. 219 00:10:41,900 --> 00:10:43,100 Yeah. You know so what are you going 220 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:44,500 to do? And do you feel, you know, you 221 00:10:44,500 --> 00:10:46,400 have to a person have to ask themselves? 222 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,700 Do I feel comfortable setting boundaries or am I not or am I 223 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:52,800 just like, okay, we can go really quick. 224 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,100 You know, you know, you got to be honest with yourself like a 225 00:10:55,100 --> 00:10:57,900 about those kind of things. Those things do come up, they 226 00:10:57,900 --> 00:11:00,700 have come up. People have to Stan, you might 227 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,800 have to have like policies in place that patient sign about 228 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,300 those kinds of things like no driving, you know why you're you 229 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:07,500 know things like that. Yeah. 230 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,900 The things you don't always think about cuz you're like, oh 231 00:11:09,900 --> 00:11:12,000 we have to really come to. I want to work with moat which 232 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,500 is great. So you have to think about all 233 00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:16,600 these other things as well, to make sure that you can do it 234 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,700 comfortably, you can do it safely and you could do the 235 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:20,700 things during. Yeah, I didn't even think about 236 00:11:20,700 --> 00:11:23,000 that. With the, with the driving on 237 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,500 the telephone, you're right, I mean, how can people be present 238 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,700 when they're, you know, in afternoon traffic? 239 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:35,100 Go back to work. Yeah, that's a really good 240 00:11:35,100 --> 00:11:36,600 thought, so, I like that, I like that. 241 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,700 You're able to kind of walk through all the scenarios and 242 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:41,700 bring up things that they may or may not be able to think about 243 00:11:41,700 --> 00:11:44,700 and kind of help them navigate, you know, their comfort level 244 00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:47,000 with these things. And I think it's good because it 245 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,500 allows for, you know, new nurse practitioners or even season 246 00:11:51,500 --> 00:11:54,300 nurse practitioners that are wanting a change to kind of get 247 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:57,000 an inside. Look before they step into some 248 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,600 of these places. And some of these roles that 249 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,200 they might not be familiar with even though they are psych nurse 250 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,400 practitioners. It's really cool. 251 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:06,200 So, how did you get here? You know? 252 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,100 Like like like, you didn't just wake up and just started, you 253 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,700 know, just worked all these years as a psych mental health 254 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,000 nurse and, and, and start a business. 255 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,200 Like, how did you get to this specific spot? 256 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,300 So I really like to kind of hear your journey to get there. 257 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:24,000 Yeah, your trajectory from, you know, nursing school until this 258 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,500 spot in your career, all right? Awesome. 259 00:12:26,700 --> 00:12:28,800 The one thing is that I always wanted to be a nurse. 260 00:12:28,900 --> 00:12:32,200 I knew that from Age of five. I know I'm a nerd but that's 261 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:33,000 what I knew. Yeah. 262 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,200 Oh, you know, that went to school that my BSN and I will 263 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,700 say one thing that a mistake that I made going through school 264 00:12:40,700 --> 00:12:43,600 because I was young, I was accepted into college at 16. 265 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:56,800 I started at 17 and so what I've seen happen and it still happens 266 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,700 is that when you're in your What everybody says like, but Mr. 267 00:13:01,700 --> 00:13:05,500 Departments, they're threatening third, I did Express an instant 268 00:13:05,500 --> 00:13:08,200 by as undergrad, but it was just like what? 269 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,200 And you know that by looking at that time, I was nine. 270 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:14,200 Boom, you know, but I was still like, oh okay, I guess the fact, 271 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,800 my first, yes, that's what you know, that's the way I prefer go 272 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,200 hated men, surgery, anything like that. 273 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:32,000 But I broke The enough we did have a good 274 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,600 amount of patients who has some concerns, so sometimes people 275 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,200 would come there after doses. After very major, a lot of car 276 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,400 accidents, and Phoenix. After, after a major car 277 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,200 accidents and they were very, very young people who had lost a 278 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,700 limb. And so, there was a lot of 279 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,200 management of, you know, really learning how to really talk with 280 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,800 people who are going through more than just like, oh, I just 281 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,900 had a surgery or oh my, I don't know hypertension flared up, 282 00:13:57,900 --> 00:14:00,400 something like that. You know, you really Having to 283 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,300 really build rapport cut, someone's life, has dramatically 284 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:06,400 dramatically pain and that happened a lot on our unit. 285 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,300 So after that I said, oh, I'm going to travel a little bit. 286 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:10,900 I thought I'd get myself back to. 287 00:14:10,900 --> 00:14:14,500 I'm Leslie from Chicago, but get myself back East somehow. 288 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,200 I did travel North and in order to do that, we want to find it 289 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,600 will still on meds certain another. 290 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,600 And I floated, so, I did some quite fair and have a whole 291 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,300 whole lot, but some place from med-surg and then I said, you 292 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:31,800 know what, I should get back. Request your you know, go get 293 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,800 your degree in site mental health is what you want to do is 294 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,000 what you're interested in. You know, let's just get back to 295 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,300 it. So I did that and started 296 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:42,500 working as an inpatient which for me impatient, I was there, 297 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:45,700 three and a half years as a viking p and I was really like 298 00:14:45,700 --> 00:14:47,800 my fellowship. I wish that everybody could get 299 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,200 that experience. It was little like my 300 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,000 fellowship. I grew in those three and a half 301 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 years and really learned a lot Network, like, my foundation for 302 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,300 all the knowledge I have now and I just built up on mess. 303 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:01,100 Then I have said a lot and had enjoyed Meant for precepting 304 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:04,200 continued to work as a spice and tea and like private practice. 305 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,100 I worked at Primary Care offers a good Community Mental Health 306 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,800 in d.c. for a while. Did kind of a little bit of 307 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,100 everything is this? I can quickly and then get 308 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,300 myself back where I am now in Virginia. 309 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,000 And I was continuing to kind of walk and Academia a bit and I 310 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,300 said, you know, full-time Academia is not for me but I 311 00:15:22,308 --> 00:15:27,300 still have this joy for helping others grow and nurture new 312 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,100 firing, you know, novice, And even number krishna's, like you 313 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,600 said earlier, who might be looking forward to playing. 314 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,400 I hope you guys are enjoying the episode. 315 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,900 I want to take a break and remind you guys to check out the 316 00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,500 resources on the doctor nurse podcast, website. 317 00:15:40,700 --> 00:15:43,600 I have blogs. Etsy shop free resources for 318 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,700 nurses who want to start aside householder. 319 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:48,900 Hear things that I wish I knew before I became a nurse listen 320 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:51,700 to all the other podcast episodes I put on my website, 321 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:54,400 check it out. Now let's get back to the combo. 322 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,500 They may not be new, there might be experience and so I really 323 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:00,700 said, this is what I want to do. I really Want to continue to do 324 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:01,700 that. But do it my way. 325 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:04,400 Not do it in the Academia way, which is still great for 326 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,300 somebody just wasn't great for. Yeah. 327 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,700 Yeah. Because you have to kind of 328 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,300 obey, whatever the university is wanting you to push Glory, kill 329 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,200 em and all that. Yeah, exactly. 330 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,600 So you gotta gotta decide like if I do not lighting up to 331 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,800 certain things because again, like entrepreneurship is 332 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,400 something that's not in the curriculum. 333 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,100 And like, I think it's such a disservice to nurses to not 334 00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:31,800 allow them to see nurse. And they're spoiling it. 335 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,600 I know it's not leave the issue that you're having, but it is an 336 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,900 issue that I have with Academia. It's just, why do you give us 337 00:16:38,900 --> 00:16:43,500 such a myopic view of what nurses can do? 338 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:48,200 It is so geared to get out and become a slave immediately in 339 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,400 the hospital Center job. And I don't show you all the 340 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:56,000 other things and I'm like, even if I did, you know, one, one day 341 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,500 with a nurse practitioner entrepreneur, you have to put me 342 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:01,800 the whole semester. But even I one day one week 343 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,400 where I would have learned and seen a nurse practitioner, that 344 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,800 was running a business or doing something like that. 345 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,000 It would have opened my eyes to won't even know this was a 346 00:17:10,008 --> 00:17:12,000 valuable. So I agree. 347 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,400 I think there are some things with the academic system that 348 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,800 make it hard to swallow sometimes and it's like, caramel 349 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,500 just do my own thing and probably be able to kill have 350 00:17:20,500 --> 00:17:21,599 autonomy over. What? 351 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:25,700 I'm what I feel is important and I can terminate are those those 352 00:17:25,700 --> 00:17:27,800 things. So I think that's really cool. 353 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,800 And I think your journey is me and I You used travel nursing to 354 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,900 get where you wanted to go, that completely start. 355 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:38,800 Hey, yeah, super smart. And another thing that I like to 356 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,500 ask why my podcast guests and people that are on is just, you 357 00:17:42,500 --> 00:17:45,200 know, it's not always easy where you're doing all these things 358 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,800 being a mom working, you know, now trying to start something on 359 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,800 the side and building marketing and learning how to do, you 360 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,200 know, reels and Instagram, and then learning how it like, what 361 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,300 am I? What am I about? 362 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,800 With my niche in life? All this different stuff. 363 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,200 And so there have been challenges along the way, I'm 364 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,300 sure I'm times that you thought I am not going to make it thinks 365 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,800 that that's it. So we have thrown in the towel 366 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:12,400 but yeah, but you still kept going. 367 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,700 So tell me about one of those times are coming over overcame. 368 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,400 Yeah, but I did, I have, I don't want to have them often, but 369 00:18:19,500 --> 00:18:21,400 they do come up because, yeah, I'm human. 370 00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:25,400 And so, I would say one of a kind came up when I was trying 371 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,900 to figure out. Oh, my goodness, trying to 372 00:18:26,908 --> 00:18:30,200 figure out a website. And always like, well, I'm Art. 373 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,400 I can do this website. I'm a nerd. 374 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:37,100 Yeah, yeah. Let me just, you know, look at 375 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:40,100 look at this and put this together and I was like, I'm 376 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:43,100 going to throw this laptop. I'm going to throw it and 377 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,400 instead of throw it and my husband's is boards, 378 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,500 technologically, advanced will crave it. 379 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,300 So if it's deep fried and I was like, well, we got life through 380 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,500 one paragraph of putting something like corn. 381 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:54,600 Something I was like, there's some three hours. 382 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,500 I can't live like this. I can't do it. 383 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,700 We're paying for this. Exactly. 384 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:00,000 Exactly. Exactly. 385 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,700 So really, I think that was one thing to and I heard about it in 386 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:06,600 a previous podcast as well. And it really resonated with me, 387 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,700 which was like, really invest them. 388 00:19:09,100 --> 00:19:13,500 One of nothing and that's time and money investing and yet 389 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,500 could I have figured out the issue? 390 00:19:15,500 --> 00:19:19,600 Yes, it was website, but I want to still want to give time as a 391 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,100 mom, I still want to give time to my husband. 392 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:24,900 As a wife, I still want to be a best friend to my husband and my 393 00:19:24,900 --> 00:19:27,400 friends and things like that. So I said, no, we're going to 394 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:29,500 invest in this other person who can do. 395 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,500 I might hit second and did and she did a great job. 396 00:19:32,700 --> 00:19:33,800 Yeah. As you know, that would that 397 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,700 would be like saying yeah, but and so I do have done that with 398 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:39,500 some other thing for my visit to but that was probably like the 399 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:42,700 biggest one or the first came up for a hurdle. 400 00:19:42,900 --> 00:19:44,400 Yeah. Yeah, I know it's true. 401 00:19:44,900 --> 00:19:47,000 It sounds like you're a little bit like me and the fact that 402 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,200 you're like, I can do. I give it, I got it. 403 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,100 I got it. I give it. 404 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:51,800 I got it and then you start doing it. 405 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,300 You're this is a lot harder than I thought it was like that. 406 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,000 I thought this was going to be really it looks really easy and 407 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,300 then you start in your realize like this is not Not easy at 408 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:03,100 all. And not only that, but going 409 00:20:03,100 --> 00:20:05,300 back to what you said because I agree with you. 410 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:09,600 You've got an invest money in giving yourself more time. 411 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,300 Like, it's just true. Like, it was going to take you 412 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:15,900 so long to build that website. That if you could just delegate 413 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:20,400 that work the time and the money start to look a little. 414 00:20:20,900 --> 00:20:24,800 Like my time is more valuable than this money to go and get 415 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,200 this done, you know? And so I think it's really smart 416 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,200 especially because there's This thing where like I was working 417 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,700 really hard to get people scheduled for podcast and I'll 418 00:20:34,700 --> 00:20:37,900 just kind of show this little caveat and I was working super 419 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:39,000 hard. I would get on. 420 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,700 I'd have to meet email them. I'd have to do this and have to 421 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:43,500 do that. I have to remember all these 422 00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:46,100 things. And I said, you know what, when 423 00:20:46,100 --> 00:20:48,200 my podcast I was making a little bit of income. 424 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,100 I'm going to invest in, were close with my calendar system 425 00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,700 that I use. And as soon as I was able to 426 00:20:55,700 --> 00:20:58,400 afford it, I purchased it. The calendar system. 427 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,100 It is saved. Me so much time. 428 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:04,800 I mean the workflow sends out an email, reminds the person about 429 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,600 the podcast reminds me, I don't forget to send this and so it's 430 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,800 making my life easier. And so I'm looking at the time 431 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,300 and the money and I'm like, oh this is so worth the money 432 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:19,300 because of the time that it's giving me, the freedom, the 433 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:22,500 flexibility. And so, yeah, I was just talking 434 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:24,500 about this with another podcast guest. 435 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:29,200 It's okay to spend that money to give yourself a level of 436 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,400 freedom. Sometimes and then it's done and 437 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,100 that box is checked and you can move on instead of spending and 438 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,600 waiting for that thing to materialize. 439 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,300 So good example, perfect example. 440 00:21:42,300 --> 00:21:44,800 And yes. So true and I completely agree 441 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,500 with how you process that was well done. 442 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,100 And I know you talked a lot about mentorship and what the 443 00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:54,100 mentorship that you provide but is someone mentoring. 444 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:56,600 You have you been mentored a longer career? 445 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,200 That's been able that you've been able to look back and go 446 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,400 like This person really changed my trajectory because I think 447 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,900 these stories are important. That people can believe that 448 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:08,800 there are people in nursing that do want to see you be successful 449 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,600 like many stories like that or anyone that you currently our 450 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,500 relationship with to help you kind of navigate these whatever. 451 00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:18,200 And yeah, being put water this, what us? 452 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,700 So right. Yeah, that was very, very, very 453 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:23,800 good. Mentally like probably a weird 454 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,900 but she was a student of mine. I was one of my first students 455 00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:29,400 in my second student and now she's my mentor. 456 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,400 I'm still her Mentor but we help each other with different things 457 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,300 he was in and said, what is about it? 458 00:22:35,300 --> 00:22:37,800 She was a pharmaceutical. What before she became a nurse, 459 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,300 she the mentor that I have, she was previously before she was a 460 00:22:41,308 --> 00:22:45,000 nursing, she was in the pharmaceutical tree and so she 461 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,300 just have a different mindset than myself. 462 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,300 And that's been really helpful to just kind of bounce ideas off 463 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:55,400 of her, because she's like, well, Kirby kind of all, you 464 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,400 know, is nursing because that's your only life career has been 465 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,800 My only career Focus so she can talk to me about those things. 466 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,500 She's also had different experiences. 467 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,400 You would like NP as well. Now, but she had different 468 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,200 experiences from working in the Ed from working in substance 469 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400 abuse. And so, sometimes I need 470 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,600 assistance in like more of those kind of topics or subjects. 471 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,600 He's able to provide some benefit and though I've worked 472 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,200 longer than her. You know, there's some ways that 473 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:22,900 you know, I can benefit her as well. 474 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,700 So it's like a minty Mentor but they stood back and forth 475 00:23:25,700 --> 00:23:29,000 between the both of us that I found to be really helpful and 476 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,800 she's just Another one is that she's just really a good support 477 00:23:31,900 --> 00:23:34,700 all because those days, like I gave you the day about wanting 478 00:23:34,700 --> 00:23:37,700 to throw the computer, oh, you know, off the desk because of 479 00:23:37,700 --> 00:23:40,800 that, you know, website, she was, like, Gonna Take Time gonna 480 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,100 be a minute, you know, just take a pause. 481 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:46,000 Take a breath and higher something exactly David. 482 00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,300 Yeah. Yes, yes. 483 00:23:47,300 --> 00:23:49,300 Oh, she's just that helpful, reminder. 484 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:52,900 In those times when I also didn't get overwhelmed, so he's 485 00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:54,500 going to really, really good support. 486 00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:56,300 My husband is a good support as well. 487 00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:59,400 Drop this whole process because no one I'm trying to start. 488 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,300 Then else while still working full-time. 489 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:04,200 While being a mom, you know, he's supportive in all the 490 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,600 things that I try to do to push the business forward, giving me 491 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,800 the time and space to do that. So he thought Mentor, but he's 492 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,200 helpful. Okay, he's a good guy, he's a 493 00:24:14,208 --> 00:24:16,400 good guy. So, for the last question of the 494 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,000 podcast, I like to ask, if you could go back to Kirby at the 495 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,200 very beginning, when she just finished her bachelor's and you 496 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,600 could tell her something that you wish you would have known at 497 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,600 the beginning of your career. What would it be? 498 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,400 So, a piece of advice that you would tell her. 499 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,800 Hold on to this with all your might and then a piece of advice 500 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,200 that you would tell it toss it. It's garbage. 501 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,000 What would you which puts you got to meet? 502 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,600 So I would say a piece of advice that I would say to hold onto is 503 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,700 to not listen to what your nursing instructors are saying 504 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:49,200 about site mental health, nursing, they're all wrong and 505 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800 then he's a piece of advice, I would say just to kind of trash 506 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,700 and things like that. I don't know if it's a piece of 507 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,700 it but it's just like don't just focus on the hospital and I 508 00:24:57,708 --> 00:24:59,100 think that's something you echoed as well. 509 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:02,600 Like don't just focus on the hospital you know, because at 510 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800 the same thing they were just getting you ready for the 511 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,700 hospital as a nurse and then hospitals a nurse practitioner. 512 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:11,300 If you chose at that time to continue on, that's what that 513 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:14,100 was like all or like, how do system and outpatient setting 514 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:16,700 something like that? So is it just just talk that 515 00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:20,200 there are options, many options, many more options than just 516 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,300 Hospital. Cause it was like, oh yeah. 517 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,300 There are options, you could work, you know, med-surg so 518 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:28,200 Telly. Yeah, I love how the tax deed 519 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,300 walk. Like, he totally We blew my mind 520 00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:33,300 on this episode where he talks about like when he started 521 00:25:33,300 --> 00:25:35,400 getting into real estate investing and he realized he 522 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,900 could make more money in a deal then he could while like going 523 00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:45,300 for a certification with, I'll give you an extra dollar, excuse 524 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:49,200 me, an extra dollar like an hour and he was like, but I just made 525 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800 5,000 with, like, working in Tech like working with tax deed 526 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,400 investing and so again, like it doesn't necessarily have to be 527 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,400 nursing that you find your side Hustle. 528 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:02,300 Ellen or you find something that you enjoy. 529 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,900 But what you can use, you can use your nursing career in your 530 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:10,000 nursing job to help Finance other things for you to do. 531 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Just in case just in the miss. You know, the happenstance that 532 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,500 you begin to get burned out with it'll work, because news, flash, 533 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:22,600 it's happening to Physicians and nurses, it's happening to nurse 534 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,400 practitioners. I mean, I talked to them on the 535 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:30,000 regular, and we just heard today about a female Caucasian Female 536 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,400 physician a resident who killed herself, because she couldn't 537 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,700 deal with the anxiety and the stress and the depression of 538 00:26:36,708 --> 00:26:40,000 the, the job that she's doing. And I'm like, we shouldn't be 539 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,100 having jobs that make us want to like, hurt ourselves. 540 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:48,400 Like this is not, this is not a lifestyle that is okay, it's not 541 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,600 exemptible. And so, if you're able to get 542 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,300 through the schooling and get through the rigorous training 543 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:59,100 that we have to do, then you really need to move to keeping 544 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:00,800 your Eyes open to. Okay. 545 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,500 So what if I don't want to do this anymore I need to come up 546 00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:10,300 with a plan and again it's not always, you know, going to be a 547 00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,500 million-dollar idea right from the jump, it can just start 548 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:16,000 really slow. You can slowly start to build 549 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,100 something that might end up being the thing that you can go. 550 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,900 I don't have to do this as much because I've got this other 551 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:25,100 thing. And so I'm going to go part-time 552 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:27,700 or I'm going to work two days a week or I'm gonna, you know, 553 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:31,400 take a job someplace. Part-time or whatever you can. 554 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,700 Yeah, you can Flex it and you can really allow yourself a 555 00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:39,200 longevity and our career that tends to burn people out there. 556 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,900 They just either they just keep doing it because their bills 557 00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:44,100 make them have to do it. And they just have things that 558 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:47,700 they pay for and people they have to pay for or, you know, 559 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,900 you've got the other option of you do that have time and I get 560 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:52,500 to go do this over here. Attack seed. 561 00:27:52,500 --> 00:27:54,800 Investing a real estate investing or make a t-shirt 562 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,600 company or I can teach nurse practitioners, how to get Where 563 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,400 they want to be in their careers quicker because I was doing it 564 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,700 for free for 11 years. So, I want to challenge of doing 565 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,300 things for free because nurses are such givers. 566 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:16,000 That's just all we do is just give give how can I give more? 567 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,700 And we need to start finding ways to ties for ourselves so 568 00:28:19,700 --> 00:28:22,000 that we have options. Yeah. 569 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,200 And so I think it's fabulous what you're doing. 570 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,100 I think it's wonderful that you've decided to operate in 571 00:28:27,100 --> 00:28:29,300 this way and to really start to open up. 572 00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:33,500 I so what else you can do? And for one thing, it's not 573 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,100 going to return in vain all work. 574 00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:39,900 All toil is profit, but mere talk leads to Poverty. 575 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,000 So I love that scripture so much because it just reminds me 576 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,500 currently that there is profit in work. 577 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:48,900 But if I sit here just, you know, I mean funny. 578 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:51,300 I'm a podcast podcast shows and all right, talk. 579 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:57,700 But in this in this and by doing this and creating these 580 00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:01,000 relationships and creating you You know, the conversations 581 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000 around things, I have been able to see an end to notice. 582 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,300 Wow, there is so much more than I had any idea that was going on 583 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:12,500 with nurses, and it's just really inspiring. 584 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:16,000 So, all good advice, thank you for sharing that. 585 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,400 And for the last part of the interview, it's the rapid fire 586 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,900 questions. Are you ready? 587 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,100 I'm ready. All right, what do you say? 588 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,600 When you answer Phone. How do you answer the phone mrs. 589 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,300 Kirby even for my regular regular phone even regular. 590 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:40,900 So people text me anyway. So calling me? 591 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,500 Yeah. What do you want it? 592 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:49,700 So what was your first job ever? Ah, my first job ever I think I 593 00:29:49,700 --> 00:29:52,200 was like doing is probably something under the table and 594 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,600 sounds bad, but I was just young if I wasn't stable but nobody 595 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:07,900 working at a library a nerve All the time. 596 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:11,700 Very cool. And so, what subject nerd alert? 597 00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:15,900 Would you find the most fascinating in school nerd 598 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,700 alert? I think it was kind of writing 599 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:20,400 that was one of our courses in junior high. 600 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Yes, I really enjoyed that but that yeah, they probably don't 601 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,500 have it anymore but I do. I did enjoy that a lot. 602 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,300 Yeah, it's change the curriculum, a lot. 603 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,500 Orchids which I don't know if that's a really good thing or a 604 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:35,300 bad thing, but yeah, creative writing is totally of fun, you 605 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:39,000 know, subject, I remember that too and getting to learn about 606 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,500 different writing techniques and how to like share and you know, 607 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:45,500 right in such a way that was interesting is like what it was. 608 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,300 I feel like I might not have been well my class on that. 609 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,600 That was it. That was it? 610 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Your journey and sharing what you're doing. 611 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,100 I'll put all your links in the show notes to people can check 612 00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:05,300 you out and see what you're doing and reach out to you. 613 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:08,300 If there's like mental health nurse that could totally use 614 00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:12,600 some coaching and just mentorship and Community, 615 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,400 because that's what we all, we all need, we need Community. 616 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,600 Yeah. And just getting to talk to 617 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,500 someone that kind of gets, you know, it's had enough experience 618 00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:21,900 in the area that can really help. 619 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:25,600 I think is fabulous, right. Thank you so much for having me. 620 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,400 I appreciate this. 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