1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 So if you are a student out there listening to this, or if 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,560 you're a new nurse practitioner, whoever you are, just continue 3 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:09,320 asking the wise, continue pushing the boundaries in 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,160 stepping out of the bubble because change needs to happen 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,280 and it's not just going to happen if we ignore everything. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,800 What's in my driver? Hey, success and P Sandra here, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,280 And that was a little clip from what you expect in today's 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,280 podcast episode with break in. We had such a great 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,600 conversation. 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But also the nurse practitioners 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,680 who are using the term doctor, I will say most of them of the DNP 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,920 prepared nurse practitioners who are using doctor so and so in 61 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,880 their name, they are not posing as MD or DO doctors. 62 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,280 They are explicitly stating I am doctor so and so I'm ADNP 63 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,800 prepared nurse practitioner. They're not using that term to 64 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,520 pose as anyone. They are not. 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,800 So that's where I'm just confused of why there's so much 66 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,120 pushback now that we're not able to use the title that we earned 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,560 with her blood, sweat and tears. Exactly. 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 And I think the AMA, of course, was happy on the ruling from 69 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,120 California. They were like applauding it. 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,640 Oh, here we go, nurse practitioners with scope reach. 71 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,080 And I just feel like the majority of MPs are not trying 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,280 to scope reach doctors. One of the things that I feel 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,240 like there's enough work everywhere and by the way, we're 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,040 like failing patients, OK, stop making it seem like we're 75 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,400 crushing it. When healthcare in the United 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,680 States, we spend the most, but we don't have the most outcome, 77 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,279 the best outcomes. There's so many factors that 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,680 play into healthcare in America that I'm like, we're not trying 79 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,880 to scope reach. There's enough work for 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:30,360 everybody to do what they need to do to provide great care to 81 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,480 Americans. And NP's have proved proven 82 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,400 themselves time and time again to provide great care to their 83 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,840 patients. So we already know we provide 84 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,160 great care. Of course we make mistakes. 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,600 Everyone makes mistakes. I've seen physicians make 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,520 mistakes. I've seen residents. 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,400 That's what the residency program is for, is that time 88 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,320 that you're going to make mistakes, you're going to miss 89 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,320 something, you're not going to. I feel like that is normal in 90 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,000 healthcare in general, right? We are one of the leading causes 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,080 of mortality for patients or the healthcare setting, right? 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,480 So I just feel like nurse practitioners take the brunt of, 93 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,640 oh, they're the reason why they shouldn't have these things 94 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,200 because they're nurses. And I think a lot of it has to 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:17,200 do with the fact that again, we're a women dominated area of 96 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,920 care. We, it's that mindset that MD's 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,400 or the doctor, the male and female is a nurse practitioner, 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,080 a little bit subservient. You cannot elevate yourself. 99 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,400 You better stay up underneath. And there's this caste system 100 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,480 that I'm like, there doesn't need to be like, we all just 101 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,960 need to get in there, get our hands dirty, start taking care 102 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,440 of people. That's the first thing. 103 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,160 We provide excellent care. Of course, everyone makes 104 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,160 mistakes. We do our best to not make 105 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,960 mistake. Again, that's where the 106 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,160 education, in my opinion, should be coming from, from the DNB. 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,840 We're going to take you from just masters prepared NP to a 108 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,480 doctorally prepared NP with more focus on what you're going to be 109 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,360 doing in the clinical setting, diagnosing, treating, coming up 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,800 with quicker ways to eclipse the time that you're going to be 111 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,480 struggling with that NP role shift from nursing. 112 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,200 I really think the DNP should be focusing more on that, less so 113 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,760 on. Let's spend time with you doing 114 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,880 a quality improvement project that may not really increase 115 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,640 your ability to practice because you're going to be spending all 116 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,520 this. You get what I'm saying. 117 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,240 You're going to be spending all this extra time project when 118 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,520 really when you're going to be getting out there, you're really 119 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,120 going to be treating people diagnosed. 120 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,960 You're just patients, yeah. So I feel that. 121 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,480 The other thing that I've been noticing too, just to piggyback 122 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:41,240 on what I was saying earlier, is we're not doing a great job in 123 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 healthcare anyway, taking care of people. 124 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,040 Chronic disease management is through the roof. 125 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,880 People are on more pills than they've ever been on. 85% of 126 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,680 Americans are metabolically unwell. 127 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,880 So it's OK, guys. I get that you're concerned 128 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,720 we're going to come in here and take your jobs, but we're 129 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,880 failing. And so just let us all get in 130 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,160 here and help and see if we can move the needle. 131 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:04,480 Yeah. And I think that's, yeah, 132 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,640 absolutely. And I think that's what people 133 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,440 forget is why the nurse practitioner role was even 134 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,040 created in the 1st place was to bridge that gap, especially in 135 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,680 primary care, right? To become an MD is years off 136 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,800 your life, right? And I'm not downplaying the 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,400 nurse practitioner role at all. Like I chose it for a reason. 138 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,960 But there's a shortage of MD's just because it takes like 12 139 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,640 years or something to be a practitioner, right? 140 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,560 So the nurse practitioner role was created to help bridge the 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,960 gap. And we are independent 142 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,880 practitioners depending on the state that you practice in. 143 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,840 But for most states, we're independent practitioners for a 144 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,920 reason, to help improve healthcare, right? 145 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,800 And that's again, like the DNP, especially with this project 146 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,520 that they require us to do. It's more so in my experience, 147 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,720 it's more so a burden on the providers who are implementing 148 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,960 your project, right? Because they are taking care of 149 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,880 patients. They are seeing, my providers 150 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,560 are seeing 25 patients a day, which is crazy, first of all. 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,400 And now I'm going to ask them to implement this project on top of 152 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,160 third, already crazy and hectic day. 153 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Like it's just, it's so much to ask for minimal actual 154 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,360 improvement in practice. And yeah, it's just, it's wild. 155 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,200 And the other thing too is like most quality improvement 156 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 projects are months and months, right? 157 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,920 My project is 2 months. So it's like, how do you expect 158 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:30,240 me to like to promote actual real quality improvement that is 159 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,720 sustainable, that is useful, that is like feasible in the 160 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,120 future in such a short amount of period? 161 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,640 And that's where I think it's just another box to check off to 162 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,039 get the DNP behind your name. And I'm proud of what I'm doing. 163 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,720 I'm trying to make it as least burdensome as possible. 164 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,520 But like you said, if I spent this extra year focusing more on 165 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,160 like my clinical work and stuff like that, like I just feel like 166 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,560 I would be better prepared coming out as a new grad nurse 167 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:01,920 practitioner instead of focusing all my time on this DMP project 168 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,400 that is not going to be very beneficial in the future. 169 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Exactly. And I think that's where the PA 170 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,800 program has it better than the NP program and why I feel like 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,280 when P as come out, they're better prepared. 172 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:16,240 I don't think they're any smarter. 173 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,480 So it's a different metric. It's not a matter of them having 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,480 more capacity. I think it's a matter of the 175 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,240 training is more focused on what it is they're going to be doing, 176 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,840 which is you're going to be out here treating. 177 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,200 So we're going to teach you how to do the things to be treating 178 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:32,920 patients. And we're going to put our 179 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,920 testing on that. We're going to put our time and 180 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,520 our energy. And your teaching is going to be 181 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,160 to prepare you for that hurdle so that you can get the job and 182 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,040 you can start working and you can be a little bit more 183 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:52,200 confident as you are practicing. Which again, that's the thing 184 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,240 that nurse practitioners constantly say is I had to work 185 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,480 so much harder to then bridge the gap between what I need to 186 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,280 know and where I needed to, what I know to where I needed to 187 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,440 know. Took me so much longer to bridge 188 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,920 that gap that I'm like, dude, if you gave me an extra year of 189 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,200 that, it might be shorter for me to get to that spot in my career 190 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,800 where I felt confident faster because I had the training for 191 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,920 what I was going to be doing. Right and. 192 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Spending six months working on the project, working on OK, 193 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,160 getting my board ready, OK, I got all my people on my board. 194 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,840 Now I got to come up with, I got to dig through the literature, I 195 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,120 got to do meta analysis. I got to see what they said 196 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,240 about this, what's established? What are the tools that I can 197 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,360 use? How do I adapt the tool for my 198 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,800 like, what? I don't know, Like I did it. 199 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,760 And so I'm not saying what's the point? 200 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,440 And I didn't do it. I'm saying I did it. 201 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,680 What was the point? And that's up to you Bring UPS 202 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:51,680 like something that I think about all the time is like at 203 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,920 nurse practitioners and P as like NPS and P as we are both 204 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,440 mid level providers. But the PA education is 205 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,400 completely different like in my knowledge, like they are 206 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,680 required to have at least like 2000 hours or something of 207 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,080 clinical looks like direct patient care experience before 208 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,880 they can sit for their boards. And like me, I will be I think 209 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,480 my minimum, which I should probably know the answer. 210 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,880 I think it's around 700 hours or something. 211 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,320 That's one crazy in itself, right? 212 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:20,960 Like we are both mid level providers. 213 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,040 Like, why is my requirement so much different? 214 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,640 But then it's also like, instead of just 700 hours, what? 215 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,840 And then spending a year on this DMP project, why can't we add 3 216 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,720 to 500 more hours? So then I can, like you said, 217 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,200 help bridge that gap and make sure that I am like an effective 218 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,360 new ground nurse practitioner in the field who is ready to care 219 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,560 for patients and to ready improve my patient's health 220 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,960 right away instead of take another here in practice to 221 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,960 learn on the job. Exactly, And I think that P as 222 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,040 need that time, right, because you could have been studying 223 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:56,760 bugs and then when decided to go to school. 224 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,480 So that is true, yes. But they need that time. 225 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,000 That's the appropriate amount of time. 226 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,400 But I feel like for the NP, we've had patient care, we've 227 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,440 seen it, We've already been treating and doing different 228 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,920 things. However, at the same time you 229 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,080 were a NICU nurse and so now you're going into Women's 230 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,600 Health, which again, you were seeing the downstream products 231 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,880 of Women's Health, but you were taking care of the downstream 232 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,400 product. But like that time before is all 233 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,640 new for you. And so again, if you had more 234 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,360 time in that clinical space that you know that you want to work 235 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,560 in, I think it would be a net benefit really to your your 236 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:36,920 career and your confidence stepping into being a provider. 237 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,800 And it does. The other issue that I thought 238 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,600 about when you were talking was the fact that you're finding 239 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,560 receptors. Are you able to find your own 240 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,320 receptors or are they is your? Does your program find them for 241 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:48,520 you or do you have to find your own? 242 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,840 So that was actually a huge point when I was looking for 243 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,760 nurse practitioner schools is to find a school that will place me 244 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:59,200 because I have heard just absolute horror stories of my 245 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,400 friends who cannot find preceptors because of this 246 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,160 insane preceptor shortage. And they're being delayed 247 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,640 graduation by a whole semester because they just literally 248 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,160 cannot find preceptors. So I am lucky enough to be in an 249 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,160 institution that's a faculty practice. 250 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,160 So my instructors in class are my preceptors in my clinical 251 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,520 rotations. And then they are very, because 252 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,560 we are a large academic system, we have a lot of connections 253 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,120 around the area. So when it comes to you, like my 254 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,520 presidency is really primary care, gynecology and obstetrics. 255 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,920 They have so many connections that they already have 256 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,400 preceptors in mind. I'm also a very small cohort 257 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,000 too, which is a huge advantage. There's only six of us, so 258 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,440 there's a lot of options and there's a lot. 259 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,920 There's just more availability because we are such a small 260 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,880 cohort. So that was a huge thing when I 261 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,520 was looking for schools. I was like, I am not going to 262 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,560 like these schools who are completely hands off with 263 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,880 preceptors. And that was like some point of 264 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,280 contention when it came to interviews for these schools, as 265 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,080 I asked them, like, how involved are you in preceptor placements? 266 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,200 And they're like, like, we, we aid in the process. 267 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,560 Like, it's up to you to find them. 268 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,840 And I was like, I'm sorry, it's not a good fit for me. 269 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,160 Yeah, red flag. Yeah, yeah. 270 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,480 I'm really thankful for my program because they more, they 271 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,680 don't even just throw us wherever like they really take 272 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:22,240 our interests into regard and into thought and they place us 273 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,040 with preceptors who are either in that field of practice that 274 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,280 we want to be in or have a passion in it. 275 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,440 So I have felt very lucky and fortunate with my education and 276 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,400 my clinical experience in that. 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And they're. 378 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,400 Huge preceptor burnout to like I, I talked to my preceptors and 379 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,040 again, like we are such a small cohort and there's like the 380 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,680 cohorts below, I mean like our first and second years, they're 381 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,760 a little bit larger. But even the preceptors who I 382 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,720 have been with, like they are still burned out because they 383 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,760 are continuously teaching students and there's not a great 384 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,840 precepting. You don't get a differential. 385 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,200 Many preceptors don't get a differential. 386 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,680 So it's, it's a lot to ask and it's just, it's so hard and it, 387 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,960 yeah, it's like really what I'm just saying is, is a lot to ask 388 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,560 on the preceptors. It's a lot to ask on the 389 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,880 students as well. But then it just all stems down 390 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,600 to the quality of clinical experience. 391 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,120 If you have someone who agrees to your be your preceptor, but 392 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:50,360 like they're not super interested in it, then it can 393 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,920 hinder your experience in the clinical field as well. 394 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,040 And then the other thing that I was thinking about too when you 395 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,880 were talking earlier was with these like taking the extra year 396 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,240 in the DNP program instead of doing ADNP project, spending it 397 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,840 more in technical experiences is there are so many people who 398 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,440 just graduated with their BSN, they just took their N Clacks, 399 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,040 they've just got their RN and they are already applying for 400 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,520 ADNP program. And I'm curious what your 401 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,840 thoughts are on this because this is a huge thing that I talk 402 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,160 about this a lot on my content as well. 403 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,800 But in my perspective, I think you need clinical experience 404 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,920 before you can go get ADNP. You cannot learn how to be a 405 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,920 nurse practitioner to the extent that you should be if you don't 406 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,840 know how to be a nurse 1st. And that's again, where this 407 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,600 whole direct BS and the DNP entry without any clinical 408 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,880 experience, without requiring any clinical hours. 409 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,320 That's where I feel like this whole like the the reputation of 410 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,680 a nurse practitioner kind of going back to that conversation 411 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,920 too, it can take a toll on that. So I'm curious what your 412 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,840 perspective is on that. So I have two perspectives. 413 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,120 I think the measure of a man is the ability to have two a posing 414 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,120 ideas and let them like Mull them out in their head. 415 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:11,520 I never want to pigeon hole myself into this or that. 416 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Now I do agree with what you're saying that my clinical 417 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,880 experience as an RN was important. 418 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,800 It was valuable. I don't think that it played a 419 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,240 huge role in what I do today as an ID, putting in Foley 420 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,120 catheters, putting in IDs and what I do now as a Nerf 421 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,040 practitioner, These things are not the same. 422 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,560 So I do believe that spending time with patients seeing in 423 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,960 certain processes that you're that you are exposed to as a 424 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,640 nurse, getting to know who you are. 425 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:48,440 Yes, where I feel like I agree with you, I think that the time 426 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:54,600 that you need to spend instead of rushing per SE into the next 427 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,960 thing is important. I think you spend some time to 428 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,520 see what you enjoy. I think it needs to be targeted, 429 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,080 though. I don't think it needs to just 430 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,080 be Willy nilly. And this is where going back to 431 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,720 what you were saying, I've listened to a lot of people. 432 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,360 You need Med surg. You need Med surg. 433 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,880 No, you don't. No, I think you don't Med surge 434 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,280 nurse if you're not passionate about that. 435 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,040 If you like go babies and you think that you want to be a NICU 436 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,480 nurse practitioner, I think you should go work as a nurse for a 437 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,720 year. The NICU would make sure you 438 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,760 really like that before you sink 60 grand, 80 grand, 100 grand 439 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,640 into the master or the DNP program for the QNP and then 440 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,600 find out you hate it and now you're like 60 in. 441 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:43,480 For the MSN, you're 150 in. For the DNP, you're 200 in and 442 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,440 you hate your job. That's where I'm like, I don't 443 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,680 think there's any wisdom in that. 444 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,280 No, but I say, hey, get a taster, get a little taste of it 445 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,960 wet. You're going a little bit as the 446 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,240 BSN and then dig down deep when you're like, that's it. 447 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,040 That's what lights my soul on fire. 448 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,280 I'm ready to go. And I that's why I agree, but 449 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,440 I'm a little Gray. I'm like, I don't think that you 450 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,880 need to spend 20 years doing our time as a nurse and just be 451 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,520 bitter and burnt out and then decide you want to go do 452 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:16,840 something else. I don't necessarily think you 453 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,320 need that, but I think came a year of checking it out because 454 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,520 I think you need that, not because I think the school needs 455 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080 it. Yes, I think the person needs to 456 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,200 go and try that on, really see if they like it, and then figure 457 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,880 out what they're chasing. Are you chasing the autonomy? 458 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,640 Are you chasing that next level? Are you chasing that next? 459 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,280 I'm ready for that to get that autonomy to be able to really 460 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,120 impact care at this spot. Or am I chasing? 461 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:49,840 I just hate being a nurse and I just doing this and I just want 462 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,600 to get out of here and or I don't even want to spend any 463 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,280 time nursing. I don't think I think I'm above 464 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,000 that rule. I don't think I need to. 465 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,600 I don't need to waste any time there. 466 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,480 I want to know where when it is that you're doing as far as the 467 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,160 meat, What's the meat I really liked. 468 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,000 How you said, what are you chasing? 469 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,240 Are you chasing the autonomy or are you chasing just to get out 470 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,440 of bedside nursing? Because then again, I think you 471 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,920 mentioned this at the beginning of the podcast, nurse 472 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,200 practitioners have their own burnout. 473 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:16,960 Like they have their own scope of burnout. 474 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,840 Like you work in healthcare, regardless of whether you're in 475 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,280 social work or case management or if you're bedside, if you're 476 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,400 a nurse practitioner, like whoever you are, there is still 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,520 a sense of burnout. It's just going to be a 478 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,360 different type of burnout than bedside nursing. 479 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,320 And that's, I couldn't agree with you more on that. 480 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:38,680 It's. Just a higher paycheck, that's 481 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,040 all. Yes. 482 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,520 A little higher. Paycheck and a lot more debt. 483 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,360 So if you got to really want this, you got to really 484 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,720 understand what it is you want. And I think being in there and 485 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,000 getting a little bit of an understanding of, hey, I like 486 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480 this a lot. I think that I could see myself 487 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,680 as a Star Trek to that, like you said in the very beginning, 488 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,080 right? And you said and you always want 489 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,360 to be an MPI. Don't think you need to wait 490 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,640 three to five years to apply. We don't need to make any more 491 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,560 rules and make it harder for nurses to go be nurse 492 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760 practitioners. That's not what we need to do. 493 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,000 I think they actually need to make the program a little bit 494 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,680 more and more so than making it hard to get in. 495 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,920 That's where I would revamp us if I could. 496 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,680 But I do think from a personal development standpoint to DNP, 497 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,120 before you go into it, I think spend some time in what you 498 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,160 think you might like. Because again, I did Med surg 499 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,960 and I was like, I am not cut out for this. 500 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,880 And I was in it way too long. And I remember when I kind of 501 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,640 share the story and we can wrap up after this, we talked about 502 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,160 so many great things. This episode isn't so great. 503 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,360 But I just remember when I first became a nurse and I went to the 504 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,200 job fair and they were all the floors of the hospital and you 505 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,240 got to go to each one interview. This is old school. 506 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,400 I'm dating myself. OK. 507 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,320 So we used to go to the job fair and all the floors would be 508 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,720 there and then you would go and interview with the nurse 509 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,760 manager, right? Then he would just go talk to 510 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,280 them. So I did this and I got, I think 511 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,160 it was 5 or 6 job offers. And they told me that recruiter 512 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,440 was like, I know, right, The recruiter, but the recruiter was 513 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,720 like, Hey, you've been offered six different position. 514 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,600 And I'm like, Oh my gosh, see, this is where I needed a mentor 515 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,480 to go. Hey, Sandra, what do you like? 516 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,560 What do you enjoy? What don't you like? 517 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,480 What don't you enjoy? Don't just pick a job because 518 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,560 you think you need to spend pay your dues. 519 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,280 Yes, I'm not into that. I'm not into the pay your dues 520 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,520 before you can go do something else. 521 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,400 I'm not into that. Yeah. 522 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:36,520 So I had Med surg OR had a couple other Med surg like Carl 523 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,000 and telly and wanted offered me a position and I wanted ORI 524 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,680 wanted to be in the operating room and then I remember talking 525 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,760 to somebody you're processing on my own. 526 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Whatever it was, it was just like you need to pay your dues 527 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,440 and you need to give a Med surg. So I chose Med surg and it was 528 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,320 not the right decision for me. It was a looking back now, I 529 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,840 should have chosen what I like even though I didn't think that 530 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,760 I had the skills yet to go into that space because I never made 531 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,880 it back. I ended up going right into 532 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,000 becoming an art practitioner and then going part time and just 533 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,040 doing what I needed to do just to get out of NP school. 534 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,560 So I actually think that I should have just done what I 535 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,760 enjoyed. And even if it would have 536 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,840 equated into me becoming an or doing first assist as an art 537 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,440 practitioner, I could have seen that I've been like, oh, he's 538 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,280 going to be in here. Shut up. 539 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240 And then I could have gone back to school and been like, what's 540 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920 my path? How can I get to the fastest way 541 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560 to get to that spot? Do I need to do a first assist 542 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,600 specialty program or what are the opportunities? 543 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,280 And I would have made different choices if I would have seen the 544 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,560 thing that I wanted to. Yeah. 545 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Or taken. Yeah. 546 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,400 I don't know. I have to do that, yeah. 547 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,480 And I, that's something I, I talk a lot about too, is this 548 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,080 whole push for Med surge. And I always say that if I was 549 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,400 pushed into Med surge, I would not be a nurse today. 550 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,640 Like I think I just, the whole rhetoric around you have to pay 551 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,560 your dues before moving into a specialty is just not the case. 552 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960 And I think, and just to do a full circle moment, like that's 553 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,080 what I was trying to get with this idea of whether or not you 554 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,200 should have experience before the NP program. 555 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000 But you said it perfectly. This is the reason why nurse 556 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,120 practitioner programs should revamp for life of better terms. 557 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,040 Like we should be spending more time in practice in the clinical 558 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,640 field, actually developing our clinical skills and not spending 559 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,160 so much time and emphasizing this whole DNP program quality 560 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,840 improvement rhetoric. Like my time, my money would be 561 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,880 much more appreciated to be spending if I was like, and I 562 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,800 still am in clinic, right. I'm still doing my clinical 563 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,280 rotations and everything along with my DMP project. 564 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200 But I would much rather spend the time that I am with this 565 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,360 project in the clinical fields and further improving my 566 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160 education in that sense. Yeah, just be. 567 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Stronger, you would be more confident, yeah, it would 568 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,880 eclipse the time that you needed to learn it on the job training, 569 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,800 put more stuff in there. And are some entrepreneurs like 570 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,160 don't just show me that I can go work in a hospital, like 571 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,840 exactly. Show me like more stuff. 572 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,920 Show me that I can own my own practice. 573 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,400 Let me send me with a nurse practitioner, OK? 574 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,200 By the way, if you charge me more to get more clinical 575 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,200 experiences, why can't you just take that money and then pay 576 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,400 your preceptors? Yes, that. 577 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040 That you're going to be. They're going to be so much more 578 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,680 happy to precept. You might get a broader range of 579 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080 experiences for the nurse practitioner to see. 580 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,320 If you're a nurse practitioner and you own your own business, 581 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,440 come be our preceptor. We'll pay you. 582 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,960 I nurse. My teacher will be like, Oh my 583 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,080 gosh, that's so great. I can actually write that off 584 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,520 because you never know. You just don't know what would 585 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,200 open up if we actually did the thing that I think would create 586 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,920 a stronger NP. And yeah, yeah. 587 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,320 I consider it part more, yeah. We've dropped some gems today 588 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,240 here. I don't know. 589 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,960 We have. Who this? 590 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920 Was for but if you listen to this episode today, I'm telling 591 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,880 you right now we've put you, I would say 3 to 4. 592 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,480 We've put you through your DMP program and you don't even 593 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760 you're ready, ready. Where can people? 594 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,520 Find you and connect with you, Reagan, because you're so great. 595 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,120 You're so easy to talk to. And yeah, Green, no thank. 596 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200 You I'm primarily on TikTok. It's just at Reagan Tani, 597 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,240 nothing special there. I do have an Instagram at Reagan 598 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,840 the NP, but I don't use Instagram that much. 599 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,880 So I'm primarily on TikTok and I'm just sharing my life as a 600 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,040 third year nurse practitioner student, but also just 601 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,920 encouraging the future, like the future profession of nurse 602 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,160 practitioners. And I like talking about Women's 603 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,320 Health on there and debunking things and just educating and 604 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,680 everything. So you can find me on TikTok? 605 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,840 Really. And again, like I think it is so 606 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,480 great that you are starting here at the beginning of your career 607 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,800 like you need from a nurse practitioner that has gone 608 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120 through all the different phases, maybe not all of them, 609 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,640 but a lot of them. Like I'm telling you, starting 610 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880 this spot in your career is so smart because it's going to open 611 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,880 up so many more doors, so many more opportunities. 612 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,760 You're going to be seeing things certainly in practice. 613 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000 There's so much wisdom in what you're doing. 614 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,880 I'm super proud of you, future Doctor Tony Honour Dr. here at 615 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,640 the thank you we. Love it we. 616 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,080 Honour that that work that you did and the time that you spent. 617 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,880 The state of California may not honour it, but we honour it 618 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,880 here. OK, so we I have a question that 619 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,160 I asked all my guests. I started doing this, but 620 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,520 Reagan, what does success look like for you and your career? 621 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,840 That is a very. Deep question, I feel and I 622 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,120 think. Being in the. 623 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,800 Field of Women's Health success to me is just empowering other 624 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,080 women I think especially in today's world where there is 625 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,400 just so much misinformation and disinformation and just 626 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,520 negativity around Women's Health and Women's Health providers I 627 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,840 think success to me would just empower be empowering other 628 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,320 women and allowing them to. Have the. 629 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,480 Education and the knowledge that they deserve to take full 630 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,960 ownership and advocacy for them, for themselves. 631 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,760 So I think that's what I would say is just empowerment of 632 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,040 others. If I can empower other people to 633 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,800 take charge of themselves, that's what's success to me is. 634 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,440 Love that answer. So here's some more light 635 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,920 hearted rapid fire. What was your first job ever? 636 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,560 What was your first job that you ever did? 637 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,680 Oh my gosh, I. Was a barista at a coffee shop. 638 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,280 That was my dream job when I was little and the second I turned 639 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,800 16 I applied and I got it. Oh my goodness. 640 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,360 What was your drink that you were good at making? 641 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:47,200 Oh gosh, with the picture, like how far did you go into this? 642 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,640 So I. It was just that chain of place, 643 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,120 Minnesota where I grew up. But I will say I made, it's 644 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,120 called a cult toe and it's like a layered espresso beverage. 645 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,640 It's like an espresso shot, for lack of better terms. 646 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,800 It's like a flavor with cold milk and then you layer the hot 647 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,760 espresso on top of it and then you take it all in like a shot 648 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,960 and it's like cold and then hot at the end of the flavor shot. 649 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,840 It was great winning that. Sounds delicious. 650 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,280 And then you had to say you are most grateful and grateful for 651 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,080 in the whole world. What would you say? 652 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,080 Gosh, that is also. Another deep question I will say 653 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,480 at this point in my life, I think I am the most grateful for 654 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,120 my husband. He is truly like the backbone to 655 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,840 my to me. He has allowed me to be where I 656 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,600 am today and to do what I am today. 657 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,840 He supports me with every single thing that I do. 658 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,360 And he was one of them who actually, he was the person who 659 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,600 pushed me to start doing TikTok, honestly. 660 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,679 So I owe everything to him. And he's the biggest supporter 661 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:50,560 and cheerleader in life. So I would say that I am most 662 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,480 grateful. That love that your sweet 663 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,400 husband, it's encouraging you to be the best that you can be. 664 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,160 And again, I saw the ring. So he's already in my book is I 665 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,160 don't even know him but I'm bore him. 666 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,320 So I think. Also someone. 667 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160 Too who I really he's very pro nurse practitioner. 668 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,560 He might be a little biased because his wife is starting to 669 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,880 be a nurse practitioner, but he is pushing me to open my own 670 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,120 practice in the future and really be like the provider of 671 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,400 what I want. So I just, I owe everything to 672 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,600 him and he is truly the most supportive person. 673 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,840 Oh my gosh, we. Love Mr. Tony here. 674 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,120 We love him. Yes. 675 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,360 We love him here. In the Success and Be podcast, 676 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,400 we again are women that are supported by our husband and my 677 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,280 husband right now is watching my kids while I'm in here doing a 678 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,800 podcast. We are not independent women 679 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,480 because we need our husband and there's nothing wrong with being 680 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,960 that. I don't think anything wrong 681 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,640 with saying, hey, listen, I wouldn't be who I was if it 682 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,600 wasn't for the people in my life. 683 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,080 And since are the people that hold us together. 684 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,440 So for today's success and people. 685 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,920 After ending it. They're giving a shout out to 686 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,200 all the husbands out there. You want to be strong enough to 687 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,000 stand alone, be yourself enough to stand apart and be wise 688 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600 enough to stand together when the time comes. 689 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,920 And so I love that. I don't even know who said it. 690 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,640 I don't know. At least like. 691 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,560 Well, yeah, as nurse practitioners, we got to stand 692 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,040 together and you got to be yourself and be apart and do 693 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,920 your own TikTok and share the world as Reagan. 694 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,840 And then, you know, when we have to say, hey, listen, we think 695 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,000 the DNP might be a complete low key waste of time. 696 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 We wonder, is it worth the time and the energy that we spent? 697 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,400 Could it be spent something doing something else? 698 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,920 I think it is a fair question to ask. 699 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,080 It's one that if you put on quote, have a science mind, 700 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,200 you're always asking why. And so you have to ask, why are 701 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,280 we doing this? Is this beneficial? 702 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,040 Should we change because that's right. 703 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,760 Is this the thing that moves the needle on the quality of the 704 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,520 nurse practitioner? I think that's a valid question 705 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,760 to ask of our profession as we spend what I told that Lady you 706 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,040 stole my you OK yes, I think it's screwed out right and so. 707 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,800 Noah said. It's the second that you stop 708 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,400 asking why is the second that you give up on the profession 709 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,000 that you're in? Because then it's like you 710 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,800 what's the point? So just continue asking the wise 711 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,080 and especially as students out there, I think what I just want 712 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200 to say before we end this is you do matter. 713 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,840 You have a place at the table. You have a seat at the table for 714 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,040 a reason. So don't think that just because 715 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,560 you're a student, you shouldn't be speaking out and you 716 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,840 shouldn't be asking the wise because change really starts 717 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,000 with the students. And that's what my preceptors 718 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,680 have always told me. It's like they love having 719 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,800 students because we are always asking why a certain thing is 720 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,400 done and then that leads to change. 721 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,360 So if you are a student out there listening to this or if 722 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,960 you're a new nurse practitioner, whoever you are, just continue 723 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,200 asking the wise, continue pushing the boundaries in 724 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,080 stepping out of the bubble because change needs to happen 725 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,280 and it's not just going to happen if we ignore everything. 726 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,280 What's in my drawer? There guys, thanks for hanging 727 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,640 out. Thanks for coming to the 728 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,000 podcast. Thanks for being reach out to 729 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,160 Reagan or me if you have any questions about if you should 730 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,560 get ADRB. We'll tell you Yeah, we'll yeah 731 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,280 be well. Thanks for hanging out. 732 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000 Thanks for tuning into another episode of Success and P We hope 733 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,120 today's discussion has shed some light on the diverse career 734 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,200 options or taught you how to improve your clinical practice 735 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,200 as a nurse practitioner. Remember. 736 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,720 Whether you're considering a specialization, pursuing 737 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,080 advanced certifications, or exploring non traditional roles, 738 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,560 there's a wealth of opportunities out there waiting 739 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,880 for you. 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Time, take care, stay curious 748 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,760 and keep advancing your careers as a nurse practitioner. 749 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,800 And just a friendly reminder, the information on this podcast 750 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,440 is for educational purposes only. 751 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,120 The information should not be used and substitute for 752 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,920 professional care by a medical provider. 753 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,880 The information on this podcast does not represent medical or 754 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,400 professional advice or services. Bye for now.