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In some aspects, yes, I can like I understand that perspective.
Like absolutely I don't want to. I'm not posing as an MD, right?
But I do push back at that because it's one I have hard
earned that title of doctor. But also the nurse practitioners
who are using the term doctor, I will say most of them of the DNP
prepared nurse practitioners who are using doctor so and so in
their name, they are not posing as MD or DO doctors.
They are explicitly stating I am doctor so and so I'm ADNP
prepared nurse practitioner. They're not using that term to
pose as anyone. They are not.
So that's where I'm just confused of why there's so much
pushback now that we're not able to use the title that we earned
with her blood, sweat and tears. Exactly.
And I think the AMA, of course, was happy on the ruling from
California. They were like applauding it.
Oh, here we go, nurse practitioners with scope reach.
And I just feel like the majority of MPs are not trying
to scope reach doctors. One of the things that I feel
like there's enough work everywhere and by the way, we're
like failing patients, OK, stop making it seem like we're
crushing it. When healthcare in the United
States, we spend the most, but we don't have the most outcome,
the best outcomes. There's so many factors that
play into healthcare in America that I'm like, we're not trying
to scope reach. There's enough work for
everybody to do what they need to do to provide great care to
Americans. And NP's have proved proven
themselves time and time again to provide great care to their
patients. So we already know we provide
great care. Of course we make mistakes.
Everyone makes mistakes. I've seen physicians make
mistakes. I've seen residents.
That's what the residency program is for, is that time
that you're going to make mistakes, you're going to miss
something, you're not going to. I feel like that is normal in
healthcare in general, right? We are one of the leading causes
of mortality for patients or the healthcare setting, right?
So I just feel like nurse practitioners take the brunt of,
oh, they're the reason why they shouldn't have these things
because they're nurses. And I think a lot of it has to
do with the fact that again, we're a women dominated area of
care. We, it's that mindset that MD's
or the doctor, the male and female is a nurse practitioner,
a little bit subservient. You cannot elevate yourself.
You better stay up underneath. And there's this caste system
that I'm like, there doesn't need to be like, we all just
need to get in there, get our hands dirty, start taking care
of people. That's the first thing.
We provide excellent care. Of course, everyone makes
mistakes. We do our best to not make
mistake. Again, that's where the
education, in my opinion, should be coming from, from the DNB.
We're going to take you from just masters prepared NP to a
doctorally prepared NP with more focus on what you're going to be
doing in the clinical setting, diagnosing, treating, coming up
with quicker ways to eclipse the time that you're going to be
struggling with that NP role shift from nursing.
I really think the DNP should be focusing more on that, less so
on. Let's spend time with you doing
a quality improvement project that may not really increase
your ability to practice because you're going to be spending all
this. You get what I'm saying.
You're going to be spending all this extra time project when
really when you're going to be getting out there, you're really
going to be treating people diagnosed.
You're just patients, yeah. So I feel that.
The other thing that I've been noticing too, just to piggyback
on what I was saying earlier, is we're not doing a great job in
healthcare anyway, taking care of people.
Chronic disease management is through the roof.
People are on more pills than they've ever been on. 85% of
Americans are metabolically unwell.
So it's OK, guys. I get that you're concerned
we're going to come in here and take your jobs, but we're
failing. And so just let us all get in
here and help and see if we can move the needle.
Yeah. And I think that's, yeah,
absolutely. And I think that's what people
forget is why the nurse practitioner role was even
created in the 1st place was to bridge that gap, especially in
primary care, right? To become an MD is years off
your life, right? And I'm not downplaying the
nurse practitioner role at all. Like I chose it for a reason.
But there's a shortage of MD's just because it takes like 12
years or something to be a practitioner, right?
So the nurse practitioner role was created to help bridge the
gap. And we are independent
practitioners depending on the state that you practice in.
But for most states, we're independent practitioners for a
reason, to help improve healthcare, right?
And that's again, like the DNP, especially with this project
that they require us to do. It's more so in my experience,
it's more so a burden on the providers who are implementing
your project, right? Because they are taking care of
patients. They are seeing, my providers
are seeing 25 patients a day, which is crazy, first of all.
And now I'm going to ask them to implement this project on top of
third, already crazy and hectic day.
Like it's just, it's so much to ask for minimal actual
improvement in practice. And yeah, it's just, it's wild.
And the other thing too is like most quality improvement
projects are months and months, right?
My project is 2 months. So it's like, how do you expect
me to like to promote actual real quality improvement that is
sustainable, that is useful, that is like feasible in the
future in such a short amount of period?
And that's where I think it's just another box to check off to
get the DNP behind your name. And I'm proud of what I'm doing.
I'm trying to make it as least burdensome as possible.
But like you said, if I spent this extra year focusing more on
like my clinical work and stuff like that, like I just feel like
I would be better prepared coming out as a new grad nurse
practitioner instead of focusing all my time on this DMP project
that is not going to be very beneficial in the future.
Exactly. And I think that's where the PA
program has it better than the NP program and why I feel like
when P as come out, they're better prepared.
I don't think they're any smarter.
So it's a different metric. It's not a matter of them having
more capacity. I think it's a matter of the
training is more focused on what it is they're going to be doing,
which is you're going to be out here treating.
So we're going to teach you how to do the things to be treating
patients. And we're going to put our
testing on that. We're going to put our time and
our energy. And your teaching is going to be
to prepare you for that hurdle so that you can get the job and
you can start working and you can be a little bit more
confident as you are practicing. Which again, that's the thing
that nurse practitioners constantly say is I had to work
so much harder to then bridge the gap between what I need to
know and where I needed to, what I know to where I needed to
know. Took me so much longer to bridge
that gap that I'm like, dude, if you gave me an extra year of
that, it might be shorter for me to get to that spot in my career
where I felt confident faster because I had the training for
what I was going to be doing. Right and.
Spending six months working on the project, working on OK,
getting my board ready, OK, I got all my people on my board.
Now I got to come up with, I got to dig through the literature, I
got to do meta analysis. I got to see what they said
about this, what's established? What are the tools that I can
use? How do I adapt the tool for my
like, what? I don't know, Like I did it.
And so I'm not saying what's the point?
And I didn't do it. I'm saying I did it.
What was the point? And that's up to you Bring UPS
like something that I think about all the time is like at
nurse practitioners and P as like NPS and P as we are both
mid level providers. But the PA education is
completely different like in my knowledge, like they are
required to have at least like 2000 hours or something of
clinical looks like direct patient care experience before
they can sit for their boards. And like me, I will be I think
my minimum, which I should probably know the answer.
I think it's around 700 hours or something.
That's one crazy in itself, right?
Like we are both mid level providers.
Like, why is my requirement so much different?
But then it's also like, instead of just 700 hours, what?
And then spending a year on this DMP project, why can't we add 3
to 500 more hours? So then I can, like you said,
help bridge that gap and make sure that I am like an effective
new ground nurse practitioner in the field who is ready to care
for patients and to ready improve my patient's health
right away instead of take another here in practice to
learn on the job. Exactly, And I think that P as
need that time, right, because you could have been studying
bugs and then when decided to go to school.
So that is true, yes. But they need that time.
That's the appropriate amount of time.
But I feel like for the NP, we've had patient care, we've
seen it, We've already been treating and doing different
things. However, at the same time you
were a NICU nurse and so now you're going into Women's
Health, which again, you were seeing the downstream products
of Women's Health, but you were taking care of the downstream
product. But like that time before is all
new for you. And so again, if you had more
time in that clinical space that you know that you want to work
in, I think it would be a net benefit really to your your
career and your confidence stepping into being a provider.
And it does. The other issue that I thought
about when you were talking was the fact that you're finding
receptors. Are you able to find your own
receptors or are they is your? Does your program find them for
you or do you have to find your own?
So that was actually a huge point when I was looking for
nurse practitioner schools is to find a school that will place me
because I have heard just absolute horror stories of my
friends who cannot find preceptors because of this
insane preceptor shortage. And they're being delayed
graduation by a whole semester because they just literally
cannot find preceptors. So I am lucky enough to be in an
institution that's a faculty practice.
So my instructors in class are my preceptors in my clinical
rotations. And then they are very, because
we are a large academic system, we have a lot of connections
around the area. So when it comes to you, like my
presidency is really primary care, gynecology and obstetrics.
They have so many connections that they already have
preceptors in mind. I'm also a very small cohort
too, which is a huge advantage. There's only six of us, so
there's a lot of options and there's a lot.
There's just more availability because we are such a small
cohort. So that was a huge thing when I
was looking for schools. I was like, I am not going to
like these schools who are completely hands off with
preceptors. And that was like some point of
contention when it came to interviews for these schools, as
I asked them, like, how involved are you in preceptor placements?
And they're like, like, we, we aid in the process.
Like, it's up to you to find them.
And I was like, I'm sorry, it's not a good fit for me.
Yeah, red flag. Yeah, yeah.
I'm really thankful for my program because they more, they
don't even just throw us wherever like they really take
our interests into regard and into thought and they place us
with preceptors who are either in that field of practice that
we want to be in or have a passion in it.
So I have felt very lucky and fortunate with my education and
my clinical experience in that. Yeah, because that is again what
we're saying if we want to add more time in the clinical space,
then that becomes the concern too is then how do I find
preceptors for the more time requirement in practice.
And yeah, I think like you said, we just makes us more picky and
I think to a certain extent I'll even take it a step further.
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That's Yeah. And they're.
Huge preceptor burnout to like I, I talked to my preceptors and
again, like we are such a small cohort and there's like the
cohorts below, I mean like our first and second years, they're
a little bit larger. But even the preceptors who I
have been with, like they are still burned out because they
are continuously teaching students and there's not a great
precepting. You don't get a differential.
Many preceptors don't get a differential.
So it's, it's a lot to ask and it's just, it's so hard and it,
yeah, it's like really what I'm just saying is, is a lot to ask
on the preceptors. It's a lot to ask on the
students as well. But then it just all stems down
to the quality of clinical experience.
If you have someone who agrees to your be your preceptor, but
like they're not super interested in it, then it can
hinder your experience in the clinical field as well.
And then the other thing that I was thinking about too when you
were talking earlier was with these like taking the extra year
in the DNP program instead of doing ADNP project, spending it
more in technical experiences is there are so many people who
just graduated with their BSN, they just took their N Clacks,
they've just got their RN and they are already applying for
ADNP program. And I'm curious what your
thoughts are on this because this is a huge thing that I talk
about this a lot on my content as well.
But in my perspective, I think you need clinical experience
before you can go get ADNP. You cannot learn how to be a
nurse practitioner to the extent that you should be if you don't
know how to be a nurse 1st. And that's again, where this
whole direct BS and the DNP entry without any clinical
experience, without requiring any clinical hours.
That's where I feel like this whole like the the reputation of
a nurse practitioner kind of going back to that conversation
too, it can take a toll on that. So I'm curious what your
perspective is on that. So I have two perspectives.
I think the measure of a man is the ability to have two a posing
ideas and let them like Mull them out in their head.
I never want to pigeon hole myself into this or that.
Now I do agree with what you're saying that my clinical
experience as an RN was important.
It was valuable. I don't think that it played a
huge role in what I do today as an ID, putting in Foley
catheters, putting in IDs and what I do now as a Nerf
practitioner, These things are not the same.
So I do believe that spending time with patients seeing in
certain processes that you're that you are exposed to as a
nurse, getting to know who you are.
Yes, where I feel like I agree with you, I think that the time
that you need to spend instead of rushing per SE into the next
thing is important. I think you spend some time to
see what you enjoy. I think it needs to be targeted,
though. I don't think it needs to just
be Willy nilly. And this is where going back to
what you were saying, I've listened to a lot of people.
You need Med surg. You need Med surg.
No, you don't. No, I think you don't Med surge
nurse if you're not passionate about that.
If you like go babies and you think that you want to be a NICU
nurse practitioner, I think you should go work as a nurse for a
year. The NICU would make sure you
really like that before you sink 60 grand, 80 grand, 100 grand
into the master or the DNP program for the QNP and then
find out you hate it and now you're like 60 in.
For the MSN, you're 150 in. For the DNP, you're 200 in and
you hate your job. That's where I'm like, I don't
think there's any wisdom in that.
No, but I say, hey, get a taster, get a little taste of it
wet. You're going a little bit as the
BSN and then dig down deep when you're like, that's it.
That's what lights my soul on fire.
I'm ready to go. And I that's why I agree, but
I'm a little Gray. I'm like, I don't think that you
need to spend 20 years doing our time as a nurse and just be
bitter and burnt out and then decide you want to go do
something else. I don't necessarily think you
need that, but I think came a year of checking it out because
I think you need that, not because I think the school needs
it. Yes, I think the person needs to
go and try that on, really see if they like it, and then figure
out what they're chasing. Are you chasing the autonomy?
Are you chasing that next level? Are you chasing that next?
I'm ready for that to get that autonomy to be able to really
impact care at this spot. Or am I chasing?
I just hate being a nurse and I just doing this and I just want
to get out of here and or I don't even want to spend any
time nursing. I don't think I think I'm above
that rule. I don't think I need to.
I don't need to waste any time there.
I want to know where when it is that you're doing as far as the
meat, What's the meat I really liked.
How you said, what are you chasing?
Are you chasing the autonomy or are you chasing just to get out
of bedside nursing? Because then again, I think you
mentioned this at the beginning of the podcast, nurse
practitioners have their own burnout.
Like they have their own scope of burnout.
Like you work in healthcare, regardless of whether you're in
social work or case management or if you're bedside, if you're
a nurse practitioner, like whoever you are, there is still
a sense of burnout. It's just going to be a
different type of burnout than bedside nursing.
And that's, I couldn't agree with you more on that.
It's. Just a higher paycheck, that's
all. Yes.
A little higher. Paycheck and a lot more debt.
So if you got to really want this, you got to really
understand what it is you want. And I think being in there and
getting a little bit of an understanding of, hey, I like
this a lot. I think that I could see myself
as a Star Trek to that, like you said in the very beginning,
right? And you said and you always want
to be an MPI. Don't think you need to wait
three to five years to apply. We don't need to make any more
rules and make it harder for nurses to go be nurse
practitioners. That's not what we need to do.
I think they actually need to make the program a little bit
more and more so than making it hard to get in.
That's where I would revamp us if I could.
But I do think from a personal development standpoint to DNP,
before you go into it, I think spend some time in what you
think you might like. Because again, I did Med surg
and I was like, I am not cut out for this.
And I was in it way too long. And I remember when I kind of
share the story and we can wrap up after this, we talked about
so many great things. This episode isn't so great.
But I just remember when I first became a nurse and I went to the
job fair and they were all the floors of the hospital and you
got to go to each one interview. This is old school.
I'm dating myself. OK.
So we used to go to the job fair and all the floors would be
there and then you would go and interview with the nurse
manager, right? Then he would just go talk to
them. So I did this and I got, I think
it was 5 or 6 job offers. And they told me that recruiter
was like, I know, right, The recruiter, but the recruiter was
like, Hey, you've been offered six different position.
And I'm like, Oh my gosh, see, this is where I needed a mentor
to go. Hey, Sandra, what do you like?
What do you enjoy? What don't you like?
What don't you enjoy? Don't just pick a job because
you think you need to spend pay your dues.
Yes, I'm not into that. I'm not into the pay your dues
before you can go do something else.
I'm not into that. Yeah.
So I had Med surg OR had a couple other Med surg like Carl
and telly and wanted offered me a position and I wanted ORI
wanted to be in the operating room and then I remember talking
to somebody you're processing on my own.
Whatever it was, it was just like you need to pay your dues
and you need to give a Med surg. So I chose Med surg and it was
not the right decision for me. It was a looking back now, I
should have chosen what I like even though I didn't think that
I had the skills yet to go into that space because I never made
it back. I ended up going right into
becoming an art practitioner and then going part time and just
doing what I needed to do just to get out of NP school.
So I actually think that I should have just done what I
enjoyed. And even if it would have
equated into me becoming an or doing first assist as an art
practitioner, I could have seen that I've been like, oh, he's
going to be in here. Shut up.
And then I could have gone back to school and been like, what's
my path? How can I get to the fastest way
to get to that spot? Do I need to do a first assist
specialty program or what are the opportunities?
And I would have made different choices if I would have seen the
thing that I wanted to. Yeah.
Or taken. Yeah.
I don't know. I have to do that, yeah.
And I, that's something I, I talk a lot about too, is this
whole push for Med surge. And I always say that if I was
pushed into Med surge, I would not be a nurse today.
Like I think I just, the whole rhetoric around you have to pay
your dues before moving into a specialty is just not the case.
And I think, and just to do a full circle moment, like that's
what I was trying to get with this idea of whether or not you
should have experience before the NP program.
But you said it perfectly. This is the reason why nurse
practitioner programs should revamp for life of better terms.
Like we should be spending more time in practice in the clinical
field, actually developing our clinical skills and not spending
so much time and emphasizing this whole DNP program quality
improvement rhetoric. Like my time, my money would be
much more appreciated to be spending if I was like, and I
still am in clinic, right. I'm still doing my clinical
rotations and everything along with my DMP project.
But I would much rather spend the time that I am with this
project in the clinical fields and further improving my
education in that sense. Yeah, just be.
Stronger, you would be more confident, yeah, it would
eclipse the time that you needed to learn it on the job training,
put more stuff in there. And are some entrepreneurs like
don't just show me that I can go work in a hospital, like
exactly. Show me like more stuff.
Show me that I can own my own practice.
Let me send me with a nurse practitioner, OK?
By the way, if you charge me more to get more clinical
experiences, why can't you just take that money and then pay
your preceptors? Yes, that.
That you're going to be. They're going to be so much more
happy to precept. You might get a broader range of
experiences for the nurse practitioner to see.
If you're a nurse practitioner and you own your own business,
come be our preceptor. We'll pay you.
I nurse. My teacher will be like, Oh my
gosh, that's so great. I can actually write that off
because you never know. You just don't know what would
open up if we actually did the thing that I think would create
a stronger NP. And yeah, yeah.
I consider it part more, yeah. We've dropped some gems today
here. I don't know.
We have. Who this?
Was for but if you listen to this episode today, I'm telling
you right now we've put you, I would say 3 to 4.
We've put you through your DMP program and you don't even
you're ready, ready. Where can people?
Find you and connect with you, Reagan, because you're so great.
You're so easy to talk to. And yeah, Green, no thank.
You I'm primarily on TikTok. It's just at Reagan Tani,
nothing special there. I do have an Instagram at Reagan
the NP, but I don't use Instagram that much.
So I'm primarily on TikTok and I'm just sharing my life as a
third year nurse practitioner student, but also just
encouraging the future, like the future profession of nurse
practitioners. And I like talking about Women's
Health on there and debunking things and just educating and
everything. So you can find me on TikTok?
Really. And again, like I think it is so
great that you are starting here at the beginning of your career
like you need from a nurse practitioner that has gone
through all the different phases, maybe not all of them,
but a lot of them. Like I'm telling you, starting
this spot in your career is so smart because it's going to open
up so many more doors, so many more opportunities.
You're going to be seeing things certainly in practice.
There's so much wisdom in what you're doing.
I'm super proud of you, future Doctor Tony Honour Dr. here at
the thank you we. Love it we.
Honour that that work that you did and the time that you spent.
The state of California may not honour it, but we honour it
here. OK, so we I have a question that
I asked all my guests. I started doing this, but
Reagan, what does success look like for you and your career?
That is a very. Deep question, I feel and I
think. Being in the.
Field of Women's Health success to me is just empowering other
women I think especially in today's world where there is
just so much misinformation and disinformation and just
negativity around Women's Health and Women's Health providers I
think success to me would just empower be empowering other
women and allowing them to. Have the.
Education and the knowledge that they deserve to take full
ownership and advocacy for them, for themselves.
So I think that's what I would say is just empowerment of
others. If I can empower other people to
take charge of themselves, that's what's success to me is.
Love that answer. So here's some more light
hearted rapid fire. What was your first job ever?
What was your first job that you ever did?
Oh my gosh, I. Was a barista at a coffee shop.
That was my dream job when I was little and the second I turned
16 I applied and I got it. Oh my goodness.
What was your drink that you were good at making?
Oh gosh, with the picture, like how far did you go into this?
So I. It was just that chain of place,
Minnesota where I grew up. But I will say I made, it's
called a cult toe and it's like a layered espresso beverage.
It's like an espresso shot, for lack of better terms.
It's like a flavor with cold milk and then you layer the hot
espresso on top of it and then you take it all in like a shot
and it's like cold and then hot at the end of the flavor shot.
It was great winning that. Sounds delicious.
And then you had to say you are most grateful and grateful for
in the whole world. What would you say?
Gosh, that is also. Another deep question I will say
at this point in my life, I think I am the most grateful for
my husband. He is truly like the backbone to
my to me. He has allowed me to be where I
am today and to do what I am today.
He supports me with every single thing that I do.
And he was one of them who actually, he was the person who
pushed me to start doing TikTok, honestly.
So I owe everything to him. And he's the biggest supporter
and cheerleader in life. So I would say that I am most
grateful. That love that your sweet
husband, it's encouraging you to be the best that you can be.
And again, I saw the ring. So he's already in my book is I
don't even know him but I'm bore him.
So I think. Also someone.
Too who I really he's very pro nurse practitioner.
He might be a little biased because his wife is starting to
be a nurse practitioner, but he is pushing me to open my own
practice in the future and really be like the provider of
what I want. So I just, I owe everything to
him and he is truly the most supportive person.
Oh my gosh, we. Love Mr. Tony here.
We love him. Yes.
We love him here. In the Success and Be podcast,
we again are women that are supported by our husband and my
husband right now is watching my kids while I'm in here doing a
podcast. We are not independent women
because we need our husband and there's nothing wrong with being
that. I don't think anything wrong
with saying, hey, listen, I wouldn't be who I was if it
wasn't for the people in my life.
And since are the people that hold us together.
So for today's success and people.
After ending it. They're giving a shout out to
all the husbands out there. You want to be strong enough to
stand alone, be yourself enough to stand apart and be wise
enough to stand together when the time comes.
And so I love that. I don't even know who said it.
I don't know. At least like.
Well, yeah, as nurse practitioners, we got to stand
together and you got to be yourself and be apart and do
your own TikTok and share the world as Reagan.
And then, you know, when we have to say, hey, listen, we think
the DNP might be a complete low key waste of time.
We wonder, is it worth the time and the energy that we spent?
Could it be spent something doing something else?
I think it is a fair question to ask.
It's one that if you put on quote, have a science mind,
you're always asking why. And so you have to ask, why are
we doing this? Is this beneficial?
Should we change because that's right.
Is this the thing that moves the needle on the quality of the
nurse practitioner? I think that's a valid question
to ask of our profession as we spend what I told that Lady you
stole my you OK yes, I think it's screwed out right and so.
Noah said. It's the second that you stop
asking why is the second that you give up on the profession
that you're in? Because then it's like you
what's the point? So just continue asking the wise
and especially as students out there, I think what I just want
to say before we end this is you do matter.
You have a place at the table. You have a seat at the table for
a reason. So don't think that just because
you're a student, you shouldn't be speaking out and you
shouldn't be asking the wise because change really starts
with the students. And that's what my preceptors
have always told me. It's like they love having
students because we are always asking why a certain thing is
done and then that leads to change.
So if you are a student out there listening to this or if
you're a new nurse practitioner, whoever you are, just continue
asking the wise, continue pushing the boundaries in
stepping out of the bubble because change needs to happen
and it's not just going to happen if we ignore everything.
What's in my drawer? There guys, thanks for hanging
out. Thanks for coming to the
podcast. Thanks for being reach out to
Reagan or me if you have any questions about if you should
get ADRB. We'll tell you Yeah, we'll yeah
be well. Thanks for hanging out.
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