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Welcome to the doctor nurse 
podcast. 

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I'm your host, dr. 
Sandra contenta. 

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I'm a doctor, Lee prepared nurse
practitioner. 

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And I am so glad you decided to 
join me today. 

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The doctor nurse podcast is a 
podcast for nurses and nurse 

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practitioners that are wanting 
to understand what exactly their

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degrees can do for them. 
After the birth of my son, I had

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this baking desire to have more 
flexibility in my career 

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choices. 
Despite feeling like all the 

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alphabet soup, after my name 
didn't really afford me. 

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Me very many options, I launched
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that I, so desperately needed. 
I also knew I couldn't be the 

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only nurse who felt this way. 
This is sound like you, if so, 

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come and hang out with me as I 
figure out what our nursing 

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degrees can give us access to as
far as career flexibility 

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control over our schedules and 
Entrepreneurship my talking with

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NPCs and our friends who are 
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Doctor nurse podcast, fam. 
Welcome to another episode of 

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the doctor nurse podcast. 
I'm your host, Sandra. 

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And today, we have Caitlyn. 
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She worked in the NICU for seven
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pediatric nurse practitioner 
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and she now works time as a 
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Practitioner I heard you say 
primary care and we were talking

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before the podcast and she is a 
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owns her own business in the 
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She was inspired to start her 
own business in 2022, it's taken

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off and she's been doing great 
work and you guys know Know, if 

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you listen to my birth story 
that I'm obsessed with doulas, I

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think that they are so bomb. 
Welcome Caitlin to the podcast. 

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I'm so happy to have you on 
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Much for having me. 
I did not hear your story. 

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I'm going to listen to it, like,
hang up. 

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Oh my gosh, my Doula is the 
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again, I love Emily austere, 
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responsible for decreasing the 
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percent. 
I believe in women and so that's

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pretty substantial, your 
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to have a C-section. 
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I think they're amazing and to 
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hybrid nurse practitioner Doula 
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Like, Gunsa blazing. 
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So I'm so happy to chat with 
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That's awesome. 
Thank you for having me. 

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Yeah, the combination has been 
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And like, I was saying, before 
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after having my son, I would do 
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a side hustle, and then things 
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didn't want to give up my nurse 
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love being a nurse practitioner,
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hospital. 
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and I was having a little bit of
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and now I'm really happy with 
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So it's been really an amazing 
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about is again like Kind of what
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of how you juggle it all. 
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listening to my podcast are 
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Hustle gigs starting their own 
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Really, what can I what can my 
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Help me do, that is away from 
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It's great for certain times in 
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mom and like, becomes a little 
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that flexibility, I'm finding 
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meeting. 
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It's really just being super 
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Hey do a better job at creating 
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positions but you know what, if 
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especially moms in healthcare, 
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the heart of my podcast. 
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kind of what your day-to-day, 
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between your work and your 
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being a mall. 
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passionate about because if I 
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I was tired but not because I 
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doing enough of what I love 
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networking with women and just 
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when I started focusing on that,
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and I had this idea that to My 
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a mom, I had to have a schedule,
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like doing like I had to do the 
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social media. 
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do everything and it was awful. 
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It said, stop trying to do what,
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Genius. 
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genius, which is talking to 
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power, like figuring out what 
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find that niche. 
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Before that it was a struggle. 
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put the time in to write social 
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I'm good at. 
Does that make sense? 

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Yes. 
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I've heard that as well that I 
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I was gonna dredge early do 
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higher that out. 
If that makes you that miserable

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don't do that. 
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coming to the podcast and say 
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good systems to help offload you
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about things. 
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like I used someone, I use a 
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my podcast, like I used to be 
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Like I need to whoop, we're 
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just too much in the more that 
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The more that you offload into, 
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write that blog. 
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I just can't do it all. 
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having conversations with 
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Like, that's what I'm good at 
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focusing, more more my time on 
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So again, so how many days are 
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Are you doing Doula work? 
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will get into. 
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you're doing. 
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think you're doing the more at 
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yeah, listening. 
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into your busy schedule. 
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I work in a pediatric nurse 
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a nanny who comes to your house.
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and then on Tuesday, Thursday, 
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Doula work in between. 
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right now. 
I'm Contracting, the majority of

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it out. 
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on my team. 
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I'll do overnight care or some 
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I realized, okay, what are you 
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Again, working with other women 
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as me. 
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I can attend great, and if I 
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versa. 
That's how I do the birth 

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attendants. 
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get done with like my admin 
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napping like my I'm packing 
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on scheduling contact meeting 
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Sleeping just like a dog thing, 
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have time I'm like, well, 
instead of Benji Netflix, I just

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like binge my business. 
Oh, come on. 

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Come on, Caitlin fantastic. 
I love that. 

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I don't watch TV and I don't 
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Just I sit on the couch and my 
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finances of my business, and 
that's what we do together for 

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an hour, and you can get so much
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It's just thinking how much time
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or cleaning up something from 
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ghosts opted. 
Instagram reels, you literally 

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can spend an hour. 
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But if you can stop and focus on
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something you love, I feel more 
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Injury old or scroll through 
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hour. 
I don't feel good. 

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I feel good when I do my stuff, 
my business and then I can go to

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sleep and have a good night 
sleep kahlan. 

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I needed to hear that today, 
honestly, because I literally 

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have on my in my closet. 
So you know, I podcast in my 

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closet. 
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From that. 
You don't know, that's what I do

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and and I legitimately have on 
the wall in here like my vision 

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board, right? 
And so on my vision board above 

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it, I literally wrote replace 
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So like Like replace sleeping in
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replace. 
Replace substitute substitute 

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replace scrolling watching 
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on your business. 
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that you don't have enough time,
what you'll find is that you 

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waste a lot of time. 
And when you become a mom, you 

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realize how much time, how 
little time you have, if you 

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really want to spend quality 
time with your children, how 

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little time you have for 
yourself and so you've got to 

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cram a lot and I'm like, give a 
mom 15 minutes and watch what 

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she You in 15 minutes because we
could we can change the world to

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15 minutes. 
If you give it to Mom because we

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just know like you got to use 
your time wisely, right? 

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100%. 
And you don't have to have a kid

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who's A Perfect Sleeper of a 
perfect Napper. 

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I had a kid who didn't sleep for
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Like no joke, contact naps 
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We did all the things so you 
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I think this is something that 
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Yes. 
You sometimes have to schedule a

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podcast interview and show up on
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But for me taking responsibility
of my time and trying to change 

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my language around time instead 
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No. 
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yourself? 
You have to be real. 

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Like what if it doesn't work? 
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So there were so many questions 
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myself and why I wasn't showing 
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That is so real. 
That's raw. 

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I love that. 
I love that. 

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I can't tell. 
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necessarily the answer you want,
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how to make your side house or 
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schedule when you really want 
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do it. 
She will if There are things 

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holding you back. 
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alone and kind of process 
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I love that part because it's 
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these, I mean, I'll be honest, I
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of 2020 and I didn't launch my 
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twenty one, because it was that.
What if it's Who wants to listen

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to this? 
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You know what? 
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What if people? 
What if nobody like you go 

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through that, right? 
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action, do it anyway, do it 
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okay, so I've never heard of a 
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that your Doula work looks like.
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incorporate it in your week? 
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Like what does it do? 
Ledoux. 

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Well I didn't even know that 
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do, explain kind of what you do.
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they meet with them in prenatals
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show up for labor weather, 
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at home and the hospital and a 
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sensations of Labor. 
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helps you in the prenatal 
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about birds, and prepare 
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well. 
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will die in. 
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small thing. 
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through the emotional processing
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So ideally the Doula is there to
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why doesn't my husband just do 
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The role of men in labor is 
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woman who has either been there 
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you look back men or just 
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and we suddenly expect them as 
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and be our only support for 
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And Men fix things. 
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They see it. 
How can I fix it? 

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They try to fix the problem. 
There's nothing to fix and 

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birth. 
You just need someone there with

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you to get you through it. 
Say like you're doing it, you're

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already doing it. 
You can do it, not the Fix-It 

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attitude because men were kicked
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years and just recently like 
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brought back in and they're 
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Just doesn't It just doesn't 
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people really don't know what it
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because I do believe this is 
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So after you have the baby 
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and then you're alone with a new
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Unfortunately, according to the 
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birth experience in are very 
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recovering. 
So the Doula does everything 

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that like your loving Grandma 
kind of would do, she comes 

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over, she takes care of, you 
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Helps you with codeine shows you
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And this is huge, because in our
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anymore, unless it's staged in. 
A movie which I do not believe 

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an accurate representation of 
what birth looks like and you 

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don't see postpartum. 
You don't be postpartum like how

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do you breastfeed? 
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You need a wise woman at your 
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So that's like the full spectrum
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through postpartum. 
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How did you find that in your 
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labor? 
Is that what you experience? 

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Like, she helped you advocate 
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She knew your preferences. 
Oh, 100%. 

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What you're describing. 
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first pregnancy, the same Doula.
And I was under the impression I

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needed to have a C-section. 
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first person to ever hire her 
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again, being a minority woman 
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support system again, it kind of
like what you're saying your I 

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kind of felt like my husband 
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process and he's a lot more of 
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chill because I'm not shells. 
I need something that's going to

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be talking and advocating and 
paying attention and just being 

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able to like, hey, check this 
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Like something's going on over 
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of just wanted him to just be 
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that, And I thought I was going 
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up having a c-section she was 
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It just being like, Mom, you 
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not doing well. 
And so she was my translator. 

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I don't know what I would call 
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she, I think the best story I'll
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it's one of the ones that she 
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people after my c-section, my 
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I don't know where my baby is 
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it's just I think it's awful how
we treat women after they have 

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babies personally. 
So you have a baby, they take 

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the baby to the NICU. 
You don't see them, you don't 

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know where they are and then 
they put you in a different 

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space, right? 
So you're getting your 

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recovering in the pacu and so, 
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my husband went with the baby to
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And so, she had a other thing. 
People don't realize if you 

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don't have a doula and something
like that happens, either you're

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alone or the babies alone and 
moms always choose to be alone 

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and it is not Okay. 
They do not treat you well. 

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So keep going because you're 
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emotional a mess, but she stayed
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And that was what, I didn't 
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But that's what I needed was for
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Moving my legs starting to work 
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That I had the spinal anesthesia
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for me. 
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She kept saying, like, do you 
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I'm like, I do. 
I want to see my baby and so she

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asked the nurse multiple times 
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and see the baby? 
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she can't go and I don't know 
what's going on with my kid, you

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know? 
So she on never forget it 

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Kaitlyn. 
She looked at me and she said, 

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let's go, we're gonna get you in
the wheelchair, you're gonna go 

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see your kid. 
That I said, I can't move my 

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legs and she said I'm going to 
get you there, just lean up 

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against me. 
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you can't all your weight that 
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So I leaned over to her and I 
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it was at that very moment I 
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just sat there and started 
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She said we're going to go mom. 
Don't worry. 

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So Took all her strength, she 
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She took me up to this. 
You see my kid and she got me 

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breastfeeding and, you know, I'm
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took me and she made sure 
Benjamin was put on to latch and

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the photos that I have of his 
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She took in the operating room. 
So I have how he was born, but I

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would not have had them. 
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So, yeah, so when I got pregnant
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on. 
My husband here is what you 

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could stay. 
She will go. 

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If you don't, thanks for 
listening to the episode. 

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Now, let's get back to the 
episode of a wise woman at your 

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side to help. 
You you're at the mercy of the 

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hospital staff and how their 
Staffing. 

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And it's not I have spent a lot 
of time. 

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I actually come from a very 
radical perspective of birth, 

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which we can get into, probably 
not, maybe the later date 

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through the free bar society and
they have a very critical eye of

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the healthcare system, like the 
industrial birth complex. 

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They speak a lot of truth. 
But so I spent a lot of time, 

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villainizing, the healthcare 
system, and then I realized, 

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there's really no one victim. 
We all have our own 

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responsibilities in it, but if 
you don't have someone there to 

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Advocate and really look at you 
as a person, you just become 

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another number and no one sees 
you as a person and they don't 

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see your baby as a baby because 
I worked in the NICU for like 

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almost ten years. 
And I left because I was 

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starting to get really hard. 
Hard and callous and almost 

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bitter. 
And unless I could separate 

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myself from the fact that we're 
doing these painful procedures 

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to babies, who their moms are 
nowhere in sight, often 

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procedures that don't need done 
and they're being done for cya, 

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right? 
We have to cover our because we 

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live in a litigious culture and 
again that's not the fault of 

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the hospital. 
They have this in the back of 

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their minds because we live in a
litigious culture and people do 

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Sue. 
Because when something happens 

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to your baby, you look for 
someone To blame its natural. 

450
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,000
It's normal. 
Usually, women who have birth 

451
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,900
trauma, go through a phase where
they blame everyone including 

452
00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:19,900
their Doula. 
That's something that as a dual.

453
00:23:19,900 --> 00:23:22,300
You have to, you have to sit 
with and understand. 

454
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,200
So yeah, like you said, if you 
don't have anyone there you're 

455
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,900
alone, there's no way you're 
going to see your baby and do 

456
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:31,100
you know if you would have been 
able to breastfeed at that latch

457
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:34,600
and happen, who knows the 
photos? 

458
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,400
Yeah, I would have never been 
able to see the birth either 

459
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,200
because the the wall is up, 
right? 

460
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,300
So you're separated from birth. 
Totally separate you. 

461
00:23:42,300 --> 00:23:45,100
Yes, your separate like 
physically, you just watch the 

462
00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:49,300
baby go, the baby leaves and 
you're just, I had to beg to 

463
00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:52,000
touch his face. 
I remember asking and then my 

464
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,600
Doula screaming, she would be 
screaming the things that I 

465
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,100
wanted. 
Like she wanted vaginal seating 

466
00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,300
and she was screaming the things
that I wanted. 

467
00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:03,600
It was like my voice. 
She was my voice when I because 

468
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,600
when I was hire process, the 
entire process is based in 

469
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,200
dehumanization from the second. 
You walk through the door. 

470
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,400
No one is listening to the moms.
I've been to so many of these 

471
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,900
actions more than I can count. 
And no one is listening to them.

472
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,000
If you don't have an advocate, 
you're in huge trouble. 

473
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,100
And you mentioned this a little 
bit. 

474
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,700
And I don't want to get too much
into the political correctness 

475
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,600
or not. 
But if you're a woman of color 

476
00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:30,900
or a minority in any way if you 
don't fit the picture, perfect 

477
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:35,600
cookie cutter image of an 
educated white woman. run from 

478
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,000
the hospital even if you educate
yourself to the nines, if you 

479
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,000
don't have an advocate and you 
don't have a plan, You walk in 

480
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,400
there and it's it's risky. 
Like the risks that districts. 

481
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,900
Say that huge. 
Yeah. 

482
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,800
That's it. 
Istic. 

483
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Say that. 
You're not saying any more 

484
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,100
terrifying. 
Yeah. 

485
00:24:53,100 --> 00:24:56,100
And I told it to all my friends 
that are African-American. 

486
00:24:56,100 --> 00:24:58,600
In fact, a lot of them have told
me they will get doulas. 

487
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,600
They are getting doulas because 
they need someone there speaking

488
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,400
for them. 
And again, I've had my friends 

489
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,700
share stories about how the 
Doula was like, she's still 

490
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:11,100
bleeding. 
And that's not that's abnormal. 

491
00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:13,900
And so like, then the patient 
could go like wait check. 

492
00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:18,400
You know, it allows you to know 
what you're supposed to be is 

493
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,100
what it allows you to know, what
you may not know because 

494
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:23,800
somebody else has been through 
so many births and has so much 

495
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,100
experience that they're able to 
show you and to go, Hey, listen,

496
00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:30,300
let me help you navigate and it 
hey, you make the decision but 

497
00:25:30,300 --> 00:25:32,800
I'm going to let you know what 
your options are and that's what

498
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,000
my dad did in my second birth. 
Which is why I know I was 

499
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800
successful at a vbac. 
Even though I had a planned 

500
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,800
C-section, I had a plan 
C-section, and then when I went 

501
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,900
in, I told her. 
I woke up the shoes up. 

502
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,300
At like, 3:00 in the morning, 
and I messaged her and said, I 

503
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,500
want to be checked and she said,
okay, I'm getting ready for your

504
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:52,600
C-section again. 
Forced, I'm getting ready for 

505
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600
your C-section to be there, but 
if you want to get checked, 

506
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,200
let's go. 
So, we cheat. 

507
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,800
You got checked and I told her, 
I said, she's dilating me, my 

508
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,800
cervix is going is dilating. 
Things are happening. 

509
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,800
I want to wait, and she said, 
alright. 

510
00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:09,500
So we're laboring and so that's 
what, that's what and that's how

511
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:11,500
she had walked me through that 
whole process. 

512
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,100
Each time she this mom wants to 
move, Move, can we get her on 

513
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:18,800
the portable baby monitor? 
I said there's a point where she

514
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,100
said, yeah, there's a portable 
one. 

515
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:23,200
You can wear any, you're a 
healthcare professional. 

516
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,500
I work in healthcare, I've been 
in health care for David 20 

517
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,200
years. 
Like if you are not a healthcare

518
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,400
professional, like you said, if 
you don't have someone 

519
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,200
translating what they're saying,
you have no idea what's going on

520
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,500
in. 
This is part of like the power 

521
00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:41,300
Dynamic that that play is they. 
I have been in so many Health 

522
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:44,200
Care situations where it's a lot
easier if the patient is Is 

523
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,200
clueless and says, yes to 
everything, it's really hard. 

524
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,500
When you get assigned the 
educated badass woman, who wants

525
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:56,300
to advocate for herself is hard.
Like, they don't want to have 

526
00:26:56,300 --> 00:26:58,700
the shift in power Dynamic, 
where you have just as much 

527
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:00,900
knowledge and just as much 
choice. 

528
00:27:02,100 --> 00:27:05,700
Not, because they're evil 
people, it's just the system is 

529
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,600
set up to put so much pressure 
on them. 

530
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,100
That it's so much easier if you 
just go with the flow and do 

531
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,900
whatever they want, they it's so
much faster. 

532
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,600
Go do a repeat C-section. 
Yes, the doctors in and out. 

533
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,900
The bill is huge. 
They built for so many more 

534
00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:23,900
things versus spending 24 hours 
with a woman, trying to work 

535
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:26,600
through her emotional. 
She can become a mom. 

536
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,100
People want to do that, then the
labor and delivery nurses, do it

537
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:32,800
the best they can, but they're 
still under so much pressure 

538
00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:35,400
till I get there. 
Charting done, get their vitals 

539
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,100
taken, get the baby check to 
write in the chart, the baby's 

540
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:39,800
heart rate. 
Because what if something 

541
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,200
happens, they have to have that 
documentation that baby's heart 

542
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,700
rate was checked. 
The whole system. 

543
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,600
The system works because it 
serves itself. 

544
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,700
I used to think the system 
doesn't work but it works. 

545
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:59,000
They make a lot of money, hmm. 
Wow, it's rough. 

546
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
But when you have a dual and 
then you have this like it helps

547
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,200
you open doors to things. 
You never thought were possible.

548
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,300
Would you even had a scheduled 
C-section and you got to 

549
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,900
experience what it's like to 
have a vbac and there's nothing 

550
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:11,800
wrong with scheduling, your 
C-section and having your 

551
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,800
C-section, but it's sad to me 
when women do that because they 

552
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,400
think It's their only choice and
they feel like it's their only 

553
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,200
choice. 
If it's something that they want

554
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
and that they choose, that's 
just as valid. 

555
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,800
But if you want a chance to have
you back, how do you know you 

556
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,400
can do it? 
Someone has to tell you like. 

557
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Yes, you can do it. 
You can do it. 

558
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,300
You got this. 
Yes. 

559
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,600
And you know what is so funny to
my Doula actually had that 

560
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800
conversation with me. 
She said, exactly what you said,

561
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,900
you guys are all of, like, kind 
of a hive mind because she kept 

562
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:40,100
when I told her I was super 
doing this. 

563
00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,200
Repeat C-section. 
She's like, yes, you know, but 

564
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,700
you haven't. 
Are you on the table at all? 

565
00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:47,200
For a vbac, I said. 
No, no, I'm not. 

566
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,900
I'm not I'm not doing it because
I didn't, I didn't labor with 

567
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,700
Benji, I'm I don't see, it's not
gonna look good for Penelope 

568
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,900
like she's like, okay, well I 
hear you. 

569
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,300
So she had that same 
conversation of like, okay, but 

570
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,800
you I want I want to make sure 
you're hearing that like it's on

571
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,500
the table and I'm like, yeah, 
but it's not you know, like so 

572
00:29:05,500 --> 00:29:08,000
she let me do that. 
Emotional work and then 

573
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,700
emotional labor and then she 
kind of gave me my space and by 

574
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:15,700
doing that it allowed me to kind
of work around and go like Okay.

575
00:29:15,700 --> 00:29:19,100
But what if, but what if, but 
what if maybe she's amazing? 

576
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,500
Every piece Haley, you? 
Yes, the seat is there. 

577
00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,900
And then you hear me back and he
even subconsciously like you 

578
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:28,300
listen, which is before you 
probably would have been like, 

579
00:29:28,300 --> 00:29:30,300
oh, but that's not for me that 
can't be me. 

580
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,100
But then you start listening and
you hear other women's stories 

581
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,400
and you realize it's a reality 
that could very well be yours. 

582
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,800
But until you know about 
something you don't know a 

583
00:29:38,808 --> 00:29:40,800
different reality except for the
one you live in. 

584
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:43,700
Exactly. 
So it's amazing that she offered

585
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:44,300
you. 
That? 

586
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,400
Yes, no. 
She did, she wanted me to keep 

587
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,400
it open and I was very closed 
off to it and then again as she 

588
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,900
planted those seeds and I really
began to walk through it. 

589
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,300
I was like, well what if I got 
to give her a shot? 

590
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600
How do I not give her a shot? 
How do I not get this day? 

591
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,100
How do you think I say? 
Like, okay. 

592
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,900
So what's the point of this, 
right? 

593
00:30:03,900 --> 00:30:06,900
So I would say, how did that 
change your experience? 

594
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:08,300
How did that change? 
How you mother? 

595
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:10,900
How did that change? 
Who you are as a woman? 

596
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,000
Wow, I was not expecting an 
answer questions. 

597
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,300
I was supposed to be asking you 
questions. 

598
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:23,800
Sorry. 
But it to do a fashion. 

599
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,300
I was headed down deep. 
I'm deep in it. 

600
00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:30,100
Okay, forget what? 
It's a great question. 

601
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,400
Because again, that's what she 
does. 

602
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,400
That's what she does. 
She makes she sat down 

603
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,100
postpartum with me and walk 
through the whole birth. 

604
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:39,400
We went through the whole 
timeline. 

605
00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,600
It was cathartic just to talk 
about it. 

606
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,700
She's like, tell me your story 
and the healing. 

607
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:50,800
From where I was to, where I 
ended. 

608
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,700
Yeah, we had this Mantra that I 
can do all things through 

609
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,100
Christ. 
Who strengthens me? 

610
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,000
I did not have this baby. 
I don't want to like, wear it as

611
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,700
a badge, but what I do know, is 
that by listening to my body and

612
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:13,200
going, I don't want pitocin, I 
don't want it. 

613
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,100
And I said that before the baby 
and I said it now, I don't want 

614
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,000
it. 
And she going, you don't want 

615
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,200
pitocin. 
You've already said that, you 

616
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,000
remember. 
And I was like, yeah. 

617
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,600
And to go You do this or or, or 
we go for a C-section because 

618
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,300
I'm not willing to put my body 
at that, right? 

619
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,600
She let me hear and navigate 
through and that's what I feel 

620
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,500
like. 
I had a different birth instead 

621
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:41,800
of a birth that I felt like I 
was just tossed around with the 

622
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,300
first. 
I felt like I even though the 

623
00:31:45,300 --> 00:31:48,000
waves were coming, okay, the 
waves were all over. 

624
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:50,200
I felt like I had a little bit 
more. 

625
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:54,400
I had a, I felt more empowered 
and that I was going. 

626
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:55,700
Going. 
Okay, let's go in that 

627
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:57,200
direction. 
All right, that's what we need 

628
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,200
to do. 
We're going to walk here. 

629
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,700
We're going to walk there. 
And so that's how it was 

630
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:03,400
different for me that this first
births experience. 

631
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,300
The first birth experience was, 
was not empowered. 

632
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:09,400
I just felt almost like kind of 
like what you're saying this 

633
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,200
PTSD type thing and then the 
second one, it was just kind of 

634
00:32:13,208 --> 00:32:16,500
like I look back and I can see 
the steps and I can put the 

635
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,400
puzzle pieces together. 
That's what she kept saying. 

636
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,300
During my birth, we're going to 
just watch. 

637
00:32:20,300 --> 00:32:21,800
We're going to have puzzle 
pieces come in, and we're going 

638
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,800
to figure out where they need to
go. 

639
00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:27,200
And so, I figure I feel like 
that's what we did and that's 

640
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,400
what I walked away from that 
birth experience, feeling like I

641
00:32:30,408 --> 00:32:34,000
just needed a quiet, my soul and
listen to what what I was 

642
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,500
hearing and it was different. 
It was very different and it was

643
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,200
very healing. 
It was probably the best way 

644
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,300
that I can describe between the 
two birth experiences. 

645
00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,400
And then the connection that you
have with your child, I mean, 

646
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,700
having her on my chest is a lot 
different than having him way 

647
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:53,500
over there. 
You know, where I can't reach 

648
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,400
him. 
I can't touch him. 

649
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,100
I'm having her on my chest and 
just telling her like, welcome 

650
00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:01,100
to the world. 
Like, it was just a completely 

651
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:05,000
different experience and I know 
100% my Doula was. 

652
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:09,700
A big facilitator of why that 
happened and why I want more 

653
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:12,100
people to hear about what it is 
that you do. 

654
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:15,300
And for nurses that are maybe 
feeling that exact same way, 

655
00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,100
like, I'm looking at the system 
and I'm just not feeling like 

656
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,400
we're giving good care or 
whatever. 

657
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,300
It is that you're starting to 
see within your work, that this 

658
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:27,200
is a legitimate side. 
Hustle that will change people's

659
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
lives. 
It will change a woman's life to

660
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,200
have a doula by her bedside and 
it will give you the energy to 

661
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,500
maybe go back to that nurse. 
That nurse job that you have 

662
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:41,400
with a renewed sense of I'm 
doing a passion work which 

663
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:43,700
incredibly I'm getting paid for 
which is so cool. 

664
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,700
And they also, you know, can't 
believe that and then I'm also 

665
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,100
doing this other work that is in
a different vein but it's still 

666
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:54,200
very good and still bringing 
about things because I you know 

667
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,500
my labor and delivery. 
Nurses did do a good job. 

668
00:33:56,500 --> 00:34:00,100
They worked really hard that I 
think the people are generally 

669
00:34:00,100 --> 00:34:03,200
made me kind of like you say 
they're working within a broken 

670
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,400
system and they're making the 
best of it that they Can and we 

671
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,800
need good people in those 
systems, will get back in those 

672
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,100
systems. 
Because if you don't have good 

673
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:12,199
people, we've got broken systems
and bad people. 

674
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,699
So, at least get some good 
people in a broken system and 

675
00:34:15,699 --> 00:34:18,699
then for the women felt like you
said, it's like how do you stay 

676
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:21,100
in the system and not crush your
soul? 

677
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,300
Find something you love. 
So you can still see it with 

678
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:29,199
like the eyes of a child instead
of this like bitter aged person.

679
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,600
So you can still see your 
patience and your families and 

680
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
as individuals and then you 
know, like you said when it 

681
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,500
comes to It changes everything 
when a woman sees that she's the

682
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:42,100
only source of power. 
She's the only person that can 

683
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,100
birth this baby. 
No one has any power over her. 

684
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,199
It's just this illusion that you
lose control when you walk 

685
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:51,800
through those doors and you 
don't have someone there saying 

686
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,800
like no you got this. 
This is your decision when you 

687
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,800
start to birth and mother from 
your intuition No one can with 

688
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,900
you forever, you can read the 
blogs and get stressed about the

689
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:06,700
blog's. 
You can take all the advice you 

690
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,400
want from the outside. 
But when you start to mother 

691
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,900
from your intuition, and I 
believe this comes from Martha 

692
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,400
listening to your body, like you
said, knowing you don't need the

693
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,400
pitocin. 
You've got this, you can do it 

694
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,500
comes from inside, it changes, 
everything. 

695
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:21,200
It changes who you are, it 
changes? 

696
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,100
How you mother, no one can mess 
with, you know, system has 

697
00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:29,600
control over you. 
Do you want to change the world 

698
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,300
like work with women and birth? 
And you mentioned she. 

699
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:38,600
So I assume your second baby is 
a girl. okay, so think of what 

700
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:46,800
you gave her having that first, 
She'll always know like, no, we 

701
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,200
can do this because we're women 
and your birth stories in your 

702
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,100
bones, right? 
So your grandma who was well, my

703
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,700
grandma. 
I think your is probably as well

704
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,400
who was, you know, knocked out 
for her birth in the baby was 

705
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,000
ripped out of her, that's in 
your bones and it's in hers but 

706
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,800
now she has a new story. 
I love this stuff. 

707
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:13,300
Makes me cry. 
Yeah. 

708
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,700
Me too. 
Yeah, there's no greater gift 

709
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,100
than what you gave your daughter
like love as soon as she was 

710
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:35,000
born. 
Anyways, girl, I love. 

711
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,200
Do I make you guys are like 
birds and everything. 

712
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,000
Well, if you're obsessed with 
breasts, like me like versus 

713
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,300
everything, it changes your 
story, your whole story. 

714
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:49,600
And yeah, the way that 
minorities has been treated in 

715
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,800
the past In Obstetrics, the 
history of obstetrics it's so 

716
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,600
dark but you are able to have a 
birth where this system sort. 

717
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,600
Do you write you have This 
amazing birth and experience for

718
00:37:00,607 --> 00:37:04,000
your daughter and your daughter 
will always have that with her 

719
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,400
and you know, whatever birth 
choices she makes and how she 

720
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,400
mothers will be affected by 
that. 

721
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,600
Yes. 
Oh, you are so right? 

722
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:18,100
Oh girl, girl, so, how did you 
always bring tissues? 

723
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,600
I know. 
I just I'm like, yeah. 

724
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:24,400
So how did you for the woman? 
That's like, okay, I'm sold. 

725
00:37:24,500 --> 00:37:26,400
I want to go do this. 
It sounds, this sounds 

726
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,500
incredible. 
These two women, I think. 

727
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,300
I want to go figure this out. 
How did you become a doula? 

728
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,600
Like, what did you do after your
master's degree in nursing? 

729
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Did you take a like a course, my
battery's about to die? 

730
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,500
I'm gonna go grab my brother. 
No worries. 

731
00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:42,400
Okay. 
So there's a lot of options 

732
00:37:42,500 --> 00:37:44,800
there are. 
So, I was in NICU nurse, and 

733
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,100
then a pediatric nurse 
practitioner. 

734
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,200
So, I had a lot of the, like, 
Hospital stuff. 

735
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,900
So, I felt like I got that 
really well. 

736
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,200
And then I had a home birth with
my son, so I got the other 

737
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,500
perspective. 
So you can take there's a ton of

738
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:58,800
classes online. 
And depending on Where you're 

739
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,100
coming from, you can go like the
cheaper online certification 

740
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:07,400
route which is totally fine and 
see what certification you want 

741
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,800
based on their values and I 
would just look at the different

742
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,200
programs online and see if you 
align with their values. 

743
00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:16,800
I actually chose to go the so 
some of the women I work with 

744
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,300
are certified to Liz and they 
maintain a certification with 

745
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:22,800
like Franco or a Donna or a big 
organization which is awesome 

746
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,500
and they offer continuing 
education. 

747
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,400
That is a great way to start and
you can find an in-person to lat

748
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,500
Help you go to a birth and 
they'll usually like Mentor you 

749
00:38:31,500 --> 00:38:34,300
through a birth. 
If you can have in person in 

750
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:36,900
person mentorship, that's 
amazing. 

751
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:40,700
But you don't need it, you can 
do an online course and just put

752
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:44,400
yourself out there and start 
taking clients and some people 

753
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,400
start free or lower price to get
the experience. 

754
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,400
So I did the radical birth 
keeper School through pre-birth 

755
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,500
society which is the extreme 
radical version. 

756
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Yeah. 
Because I was coming from the 

757
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,200
extreme radical mindset of the 
The hospital. 

758
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:03,700
So I needed to like break that 
so I could see everything. 

759
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:06,300
So I think it very much, depends
on where you're coming from. 

760
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,000
Some people say like oh you have
to be certified through Don, are

761
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,400
this organization? 
This is the best but I think you

762
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,400
have to look at your own 
personal background to see what 

763
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,900
would serve you best. 
But yeah, certification is a 

764
00:39:17,908 --> 00:39:21,300
great way because you can get 
connected with other women and 

765
00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:23,900
get like a preceptor to help you
attend birth when you're first 

766
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:28,100
learning. 
But really, if you show up with 

767
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,500
an answer, Ben's heart and you 
just serve the woman. 

768
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:33,100
That's there. 
You'll do a good job. 

769
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,800
Yeah, you have to show up to 
serve her. 

770
00:39:36,100 --> 00:39:38,700
Yeah. 
How do you sum all the other 

771
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,600
thought process? 
Is how do you differentiate 

772
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,400
between your role as a nurse 
practitioner, in your role, as a

773
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,300
doula? 
Because I feel like sometimes 

774
00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:48,400
you could probably kind of get 
in trouble with. 

775
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,300
Like I know you like she does a 
good job. 

776
00:39:52,300 --> 00:39:54,100
Least. 
My duel is like I don't do that 

777
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,800
because I'm in this dual role so
like I can't you know so how do 

778
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,300
you kind of A shape between 
that. 

779
00:40:00,100 --> 00:40:02,100
Yeah. 
So I'm really clear that it. 

780
00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:05,500
I'm not in a medical capacity at
all when I'm supporting you as a

781
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:08,500
dual out, whether that's birth 
for postpartum, especially 

782
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,800
postpartum like I'm a pediatric 
nurse practitioner so that lends

783
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,600
shapes everything I see in a 
baby. 

784
00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:17,800
I tell the what I believe women 
are very intelligent and we 

785
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,100
don't need to Baby them. 
Give them the information, 

786
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:22,600
they'll make the right decision.
I tell them I'm not a medical 

787
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,900
practitioner in this capacity. 
I'm just here to support you 

788
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,200
emotionally spiritually and I 
will give you tips on baby care 

789
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,800
and taking care of your baby. 
And I have them sign an 

790
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,800
agreement. 
In part of it in there, has a 

791
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,000
very clear. 
You might think harsh statement 

792
00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,500
that I'm not responsible for 
your health, you're responsible 

793
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,900
for every decision you make for 
your health and the health of 

794
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,400
your baby. 
There's even And we always have 

795
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,600
a conversation about death. 
Always because that to me is the

796
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,100
easiest way to see a woman's 
True Values where she's coming 

797
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,300
from, where she thinks the 
responsibility of death lies 

798
00:40:58,100 --> 00:40:59,500
that conversation by the end of 
it. 

799
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:01,900
You know, if you're if you're on
the same page to work with the 

800
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:04,600
client or if you guys have 
different different views of 

801
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,900
your role. 
So that's how I do it. 

802
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,200
I think the conversation about 
death is very key and then I 

803
00:41:09,207 --> 00:41:12,700
have a very clear agreement that
they sign. 

804
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,900
So we both signed That says, 
you're responsible for the 

805
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,100
health of your family, your 
baby, your choices. 

806
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,800
I'm there to support you does 
that make design is kind of 

807
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,400
answer your question. 
Yeah. 

808
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,400
So that's how I do it. 
It's clear. 

809
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,400
I've never had an issue. 
Women, totally understand that. 

810
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Yeah, no, it's true. 
And I sign something, you know, 

811
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,200
or, you know, agreed that the 
right thing. 

812
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,700
Yeah. 
Like because she's just there to

813
00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,100
again, these are decisions that 
I was making again, she says the

814
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,300
puzzle pieces come in and then 
we sort them. 

815
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:44,900
And then you decide what you 
think that that is saying and 

816
00:41:44,900 --> 00:41:47,600
then I support you in that and 
whatever that is. 

817
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,700
And again, she's been with me 
through a C-section in through a

818
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:52,900
vaginal birth. 
And so we that she's yeah. 

819
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:57,900
So she's been with me and so she
knows like I she thought we were

820
00:41:57,900 --> 00:41:59,400
going for another repeat 
C-section. 

821
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,500
She's like you're the only 
person that calls me for a 

822
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,000
repeat C-section. 
Because I know like again like 

823
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,800
you said, the mom gets kind of 
left and if the baby has to go 

824
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,300
again. 
Yeah, I said, I want, I want you

825
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:12,700
with me, and then I want my 
husband free to go so that he 

826
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,800
can stay with the baby. 
And yeah. 

827
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,000
And And throughout this again, 
just kind of wrapping up the 

828
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,900
business portion because you, 
and I could totally talk I think

829
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,800
all day but about the business 
portion about kind of working 

830
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,000
the business, what would you 
say? 

831
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,300
Is one of been one of the 
hardest things since becoming an

832
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:33,300
entrepreneur and being a nurse 
practitioner, that was hard for 

833
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,800
you to kind of Master. 
And then a part that was like, 

834
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,500
this is easy. 
Like I can do this all day 

835
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,000
because I was a nurse. 
So how does the nursing 

836
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,100
background kind of help you in 
either challenging you or help 

837
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:49,400
you in making Do something easy.
So the networking, the social 

838
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000
relationships that stuff is like
butter. 

839
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,900
It's really easy for me. 
It's my genius, I'm conflict 

840
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,400
avoidant. 
So when there are situations 

841
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,600
that are uncomfortable sticky 
and not smooth, that's really 

842
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,900
hard for me to show up. 
So I've only had it happened 

843
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:08,600
once, there was a disagreement 
between a client in a doula that

844
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,200
I contracted the workout to and 
it was really hard for me to 

845
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,900
like set up those phone calls 
and show up and deal with the 

846
00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:18,400
complex head on. 
So, that has been the most 

847
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,600
challenging aspect for me. 
As I just want to make like 

848
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,000
everyone happy and I did figure 
out pretty quickly. 

849
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,000
Not everyone's going to like 
you, if you do what you love and

850
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,800
you, yeah, it is what it is. 
That was the hardest part for 

851
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,300
me, which is surprising, because
I thought it would be, like, 

852
00:43:36,300 --> 00:43:39,900
figuring out the finances or 
admin work. 

853
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:42,300
But, yeah, that was the 
trampoline. 

854
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,200
Yeah, it's dealing with the 
people, they caught ya. 

855
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,600
The contract work has brought up
more challenges for me and 

856
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,300
realizing that it's almost 
always gray and you never When 

857
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:56,800
an argument well, it's yeah, 
sometimes you're not not. 

858
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,900
Everyone's going to be happy 
with the outcome if you're in a 

859
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:03,400
business, yeah, what would you 
say to a young Caitlin starting 

860
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,100
off on her career? 
If you would have known, what 

861
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:07,800
you could have done with all 
with your license? 

862
00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:10,300
With your certifications, with 
your Genius? 

863
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:13,100
If you could go back and tell 
Caitlin, at the start of your 

864
00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:16,800
nursing career, as an, you know,
BSN working in the NICU, one 

865
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,300
thing. 
To kind of hold onto. 

866
00:44:19,300 --> 00:44:20,500
What would it be that you would 
tell her? 

867
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:32,000
That's a great question. 
Like don't put yourself in a box

868
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,100
like all because you've never 
thought about doing it. 

869
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:40,900
Doesn't mean you can do it and 
you're probably gonna fail a 

870
00:44:40,900 --> 00:44:43,900
lot. 
Like I think I was afraid of 

871
00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:45,600
failing and trying something 
new. 

872
00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:47,900
And I thought, okay, well I'm 
good at Nick you and I'm good at

873
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:52,500
this, I'll just do this forever.
So I would have been like try it

874
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:55,800
sooner you're going to fail, not
like you might fail, it might 

875
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,600
not work out. 
No. 

876
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Like you're definitely going to 
fail it several things, and then

877
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,900
it will all work out and you'll 
find out what you're really good

878
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:03,500
at. 
So I would say, anyone new 

879
00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:06,800
starting out at this, just try 
it and accept the fact that 

880
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,400
you're going to fail a lot. 
Yeah. 

881
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:11,600
Right. 
You're going to mess up? 

882
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,700
Yeah, it's not going to go. 
It's not going to go perfect. 

883
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,000
The plans. 
I love this analogy or two 

884
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,200
things to say to that versus 
success is not a linear. 

885
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,100
Mine. 
It's like the squiggly line that

886
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:25,200
goes all around and goes up and 
down and like it's like EKG, 

887
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,300
right? 
Like there's ups and there's 

888
00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:29,500
loads and there's waves and 
these things and so that is 

889
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,500
normal. 
That's you trying something new.

890
00:45:31,500 --> 00:45:34,300
That means you're alive, okay? 
If you have any kg, I've got a 

891
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:38,600
QRS wave, that means you're 
alive and so keep living, you 

892
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,000
know, that's the first thing. 
And then the second thing I was 

893
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,300
thinking about is the reason why
I love what you do. 

894
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:49,700
I am passionate about hearing 
people having people hear what 

895
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:52,300
it is that you do. 
You do is because I believe that

896
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,900
men go to war and women have 
babies. 

897
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,100
I think that these are our two 
things, right? 

898
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,300
And there are two things that 
are very specific to our sex, 

899
00:46:00,300 --> 00:46:02,200
right? 
Men fight or whatever it is, 

900
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,300
freedom, whatever like they want
to fix it, right? 

901
00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:07,200
Like you described, they want to
save the country they want to do

902
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:07,800
these things. 
Right? 

903
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,900
And that's kind of men, but 
women, I think our equivalent 

904
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,800
is, we bring in children, we 
bring in the Next Generation. 

905
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,500
We, we keep our society going, 
right? 

906
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,900
So we need them fighting for our
values so that we can bring the 

907
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:22,400
people in. 
And to a world that has those 

908
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,100
values that we fought for right.
So it's such a beautiful 

909
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:27,700
symbiotic relationship but 
that's what I always tell my 

910
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:31,100
husband. 
And what I believe very strongly

911
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:35,800
in my heart, is that doulas go 
into the battle with you, you 

912
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,500
are not alone with a doula and a
doula, you know, stands next to 

913
00:46:40,500 --> 00:46:43,600
you and helps you fight and she 
hands, you, whatever that sort 

914
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,400
is or whatever that is, as you 
bring that, that next person 

915
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,600
into the world and I feel very 
strongly Ali. 

916
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,300
That a doula is someone that you
want in your corner, it's 

917
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:57,600
someone that you want, helping 
you to fight a battle that only 

918
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,900
you can do. 
There's no, you can't do this 

919
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,400
out, you can't. 
I mean for me, I believe that 

920
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,200
only I can give birth to this, 
you know, our children and so I 

921
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,000
just think it is. 
It is what you guys do with such

922
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,900
an incredible service to the 
world that any nurse that 

923
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,700
decides, to pick this up as a 
side hustle, and to run with 

924
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:22,500
this will just again, Like I 
said, bring so much to those 

925
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:25,000
that they helped. 
I think it's an incredible thing

926
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,100
that you do. 
So I hopefully I explained it as

927
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:32,200
perfectly as I felt like, I 
could that my, my admiration for

928
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,400
your profession and what you 
guys are doing. 

929
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,500
So, thank you for coming out and
before you go because to do 

930
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:39,800
rapid fire. 
So rapid fires just by the seat 

931
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,800
of your pants, quick answer and 
since we talked a little bit and

932
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,300
I'll change some of the 
questions. 

933
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:47,100
I normally ask since I know you 
don't watch TV but are you ready

934
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:53,300
for Rapid Fire? 
What are you most grateful for 

935
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,000
in the whole wide world? 
My family, your family. 

936
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,100
And if you could give a book to 
somebody, what book would you 

937
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:05,800
give great and sweet grass? 
Have you read it? 

938
00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:09,600
It's on my list. 
I have a patient that gives me 

939
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,500
book recommendations and he told
me I needed to read that book. 

940
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:14,900
Yeah, Frieda. 
I'm almost done. 

941
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:18,900
It's a game-changer together. 
It's really good. 

942
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:20,300
It's okay. 
Okay. 

943
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,000
And then, do you play board 
games? 

944
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,400
I don't know if you're a board 
game family. 

945
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Oh, my husband loves them. 
I try any time? 

946
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:34,400
I go out early, so, which one 
are you? 

947
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:41,700
It's like you get wood or 
different supplies and it's 

948
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:45,100
really big. 
It's pretty good, it's not bad. 

949
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:48,200
It's like you know I did you get
wood and supplies? 

950
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,300
I think it's like I like working
some type of settlement thing 

951
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
you have low citizens of Catan? 
No, that's not. 

952
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:03,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, that it is that, okay? 

953
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Okay, because I actually do like
board games so like like Pseudo,

954
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,700
I'm good. 
Okay, a lot because he loves 

955
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:12,700
them, but I yeah, if there's any
every time that like the whole 

956
00:49:12,700 --> 00:49:19,300
family's plane, and I can sneak 
away, I'm like the kitchen. 

957
00:49:19,300 --> 00:49:22,300
We'll play that. 
And that's, oh, thanks for 

958
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:24,600
coming on today. 
Give a Shameless plug where 

959
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,300
people can find you. 
If they are, like, I want to 

960
00:49:27,308 --> 00:49:30,500
figure this out because they 
know that you do contract work 

961
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:32,300
with doulas, right? 
So now, like, yeah, you're kind 

962
00:49:32,300 --> 00:49:34,700
of the head duel and then you 
have doulas of underneath you 

963
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:37,900
that you send out in you guys. 
Of manage people that way. 

964
00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:39,800
So give a Shameless plug for 
your business. 

965
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,800
People can find you absolutely. 
So you can find me at Wild 

966
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,700
mother passed.com and while 
mother passed on Instagram, if 

967
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:50,500
you're in the greater Charlotte 
Area, even like Fort Mill, Rock 

968
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,600
Hill, I have a lot of clients of
that way. 

969
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:53,900
I would love to connect with 
you. 

970
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:56,500
If you have any questions, all 
three things home birth. 

971
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,200
I also do that because North 
Carolina and South Carolina, 

972
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,600
have some strange laws around 
this. 

973
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,200
So, part of what I do is speak 
with women about their options 

974
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,400
in North Carolina, because the 
options aren't publicized 

975
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,200
because Right now. 
Midwives are technically 

976
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,300
practicing illegally in the 
state of North Carolina so it's 

977
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:15,000
wild mother but yeah, we got, we
could you talk even more about 

978
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:17,600
well mother? 
Wow. 

979
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:29,200
Yeah, that sounds awesome guys. 
Check her out. 

980
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,100
And again, let's always enjoy 
the journey of your career. 

981
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Thanks for hanging out. 
Thank you so much. 

982
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:44,500
Thank you. 
I love you mama and thanks for 

983
00:50:44,500 --> 00:50:49,000
letting me so that's a wrap. 
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984
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,900
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985
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:54,700
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986
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,300
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987
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989
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:09,500
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990
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:12,300
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991
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:14,900
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992
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,500
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993
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,900
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994
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,800
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995
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,000
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996
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:30,800
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997
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:11,600
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998
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,900
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999
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:17,500
interested in hearing about and 
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1000
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:20,900
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1001
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:23,800
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1002
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,000
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Care by a medical provider. 

1003
00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:30,800
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1004
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,700
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