Hi there, my name is dr. Presenta, and I'm the host of
the doctor nurse podcast. I'm an advanced nurse
practitioner and I want to be your guide into the world of
nursing professions. This podcast is a platform for
nurses to share their Journeys as they made their way in the
diverse field of nursing as either entrepreneurs, Academia
private, practice or even the corporate world.
I think we should celebrate just how diverse the field of nursing
is through mentoring one. Another, with the stories of our
career. Journeys.
Nothing is too mundane because each journey is unique.
This podcast will showcase career options to encourage
nurses to view their degrees with a business mindset.
After all we work in the healthcare business and
ultimately, I hope I might inspire you to make a change.
If you're looking for something different.
I am motivated to see you live, your best, nursing life and that
looks different for everyone. Thanks for joining me on today's
podcast. And let's get started with
today's guests. Hi, Liam, welcome to the doctor
nurse podcast and so happy to have you on today, Sandra.
Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure.
It's a joy to be here. Oh guys, for you guys listening
today. I have a real treat.
Liam casswell is an RN nurse coach and an NLP NLP
practitioner. So it's in your linguistic
programming practitioner. So I'm it's all about, rewiring
your patterns and your mindset. Okay, so, I said, say it again
neuro-linguistic, programming practitioner podcast host in a
nurse preneur. He graduated from Edinburgh,
Napier University Scotland in 2011, with 10 years of
international, nursing experience spanning from the UK
Australia. And Fiji.
Liam has a dual Master's in international public, health and
Health Management. He's a nurse career and
Leadership coach. And he is based in Sydney,
Australia. Australia.
He has helped over 130 nurses, achieve career alignment.
Success Through one-on-one coaching.
He's the proud host and creator of the high-performance nursing
podcast, which is on Spotify, and I highly recommend you guys
check it out where he had these conversations with global
clinicians and explores. What is possible with the career
of nursing? So welcome.
Liam. I am so happy to have you on
today and guys, let's dive. Right in.
So Liam explain to my listeners exactly what it is that you do
for living. Sambal, thank you so much.
I underst career and Leadership coach.
All I am, the founder and CEO, I guess bad boss or very high
performance do. So you'd leave you cos will
coaching. I set that up over a year and a
half ago. Now, I think you can have two
years ago. I wear.
I just saw this Gap in the industry where no Seas were just
not getting access to mentorship and coaching clinically in the
workplace. And I noticed that as a nursing
leader. I want you to bring that to the
masses and that's it. My overarching vision is helping
clinicians, fulfill their full potential and can arise through
their career. And can if like you that the
message that you deliver allow nurses to see that the degree is
a ticket to creating a life that they want to live and
intentional Life. That's my kind of current title
at the moment. I also do still work in
dabbling, clinical land and I work predominantly within the
university sector. So I work as a sessional mark
era so I give all the students a Bad grades if their Grandma's
bad and and I also do Sensational academic teaching
and work with students on placement here in Australia
during their undergraduate studies.
Oh my goodness, so lots of lots of hats.
Lots of pots on the stove that are cooking and that's what I'm
all about. I think that one of the things
that my podcast, I hope to Showcase is nurses that don't
just have their foot in the hospital and in one of your
podcast episodes, you were speaking with Lauren.
You really do describe that. That's also your vision for
nurses. It's for them to not just be
stuck especially when it comes to burnout and different things
that you experience throughout your career.
And I know that you would said you moved up the ranks and you
were in the managerial position. Is that on the clinical Fork?
I guess walk me through your steps.
How did you get to this specific spot in your career and kind of
walk me through beginning with the moment you decided to become
a nurse and then walk me through just kind of that whole process
to where you were like, it's Time to bust out on my own.
Yeah, I love that. So I started back in the UK, I
grew up in Scotland, and I was going to surrounded by
clinicians. My mom was an assistant in
nursing. I like a healthcare support
worker, and my grand was a nurse and she worked actually in
Spain. And at the time I thought I love
caring for people. Why not just dive into this.
So I studied nursing graduated from University.
When I was 19 to started my degree when I was six, super
young who have said. I was kind of a real dead set on
achieving it. It's the high performance.
They know there's a theme there from there.
I can, I started walking medical and missions and planning.
So it's like, a really busy acute, medical kind of extension
to emergency here in the UK work.
They are loved it. Thrived on the hustle culture
and you know, patients and patient side.
And then had a beautiful exchange with a nurse unit
manager from the Intensive Care Unit and actually looked after
one of her relatives not knowing that that was the Intensive Care
manager. And she came to me at the end of
the shift and said, have you ever thought about a career in
intensive care? And I said, no.
Not really. Like I was only like one year
out of my grad. Sure.
I think you should apply another.
Okay, cool. So I'll fight rot.
And I did my Intensive Care Nursing and I did that for about
four or five years and then I migrated to Australia.
My partner's Australian. So moved out here to get some
sunshine and some War. Yeah, I'm did a real variety of
different things. And this is what I Canna preach
to the nursing population. Then Workforce here in Australia
is sample, sample, sample, and I feel like through my career.
That's what I've done. I watched agency can have like
travel nursing low coming or a few years here in Sydney, which
through the Public's in the private sector.
I watch the University's again, did a bit of University support
I, which is amazing to be able to support and nurture those
students at that, such an early stage in their career.
And then from there. I actually moved down to
Canberra Australia. So move from Sydney to Canberra
and Camera is this is the actual capital of Australia?
Not that, anybody knows that. So it's not exactly know.
Everybody thinks it's severe. It's Melbourne Canberra and
America, nice. The same coming from the UK.
I'm like, what is this camera, please?
Yeah, that's so funny. And I moved here, and then a lot
of opportunities can have arose from that move actually, which
was interesting. I moved into Advanced life
support training. So kind of like your ALS is a
CLI training. I did that last few years, I
which I loved and then I mean, what did you love about it?
I loved I loved helping people see that they can thrive in a
high-stress environment and can have like really utilize that
algorithm and once you know that algorithm like China does
nothing stopping you. Yes, has lots of things that are
variable but once you get that down pad, you can achieve
anything in this arrests, really With the support of your team
and really helping people see that the not alone because I
think often as clinicians we think holy moly.
I'm here. My patience has crashed.
Who's around. Is anybody here?
So that was really rewarding. Yeah.
I'm like self efficacy rate. You're teaching them the ability
to walk into a situation and change it like, you know, not
always but for the most part going back to your coaching,
which is that same along that same line in that same vein, mm
teaching people how to change it.
You Asian that they're in through what they know somebody
unloved. Yeah, in terms of the ALS as
well. What I loved about, it was the
critical thinking and seeing clinicians that maybe didn't
typically work in an acute environment coming through the
course and then equipping them with this, like, awesome skill
set, like the fundamental thing, which is your patient
assessment. So I love that I'm moving from
there. I went into clinical education.
I did that in acute medicine for a few years and then moved into
man irons did know student manager.
And that's where Isis or the system can have falling apart a
little bit crash. Your started noticing all the
cracks. Let me see.
The baby is Canto. We're on Disney.
It's so cute. But basically the house starts
having cracks in it. And there's somebody on the
inside patching, all the cracks. So it's all cracking vote.
But there's like something in there like the nurse managers
like trying to keep the cracks from showing up.
Anyway, so we think well, I can relate to that all the topless
devil. I need to watch that.
Yeah, it was, it was very much like that.
And that's what I experienced despite having an investing in
doing my masters of healthcare leadership and management.
I still was deeply deeply frustrated with the system and
the limitations, and the Staffing.
And all of the problems that are Global in healthcare around.
Yes, Jenna. How do you deliver a high
quality safe service to patients and also create a
psychologically safe environment for staff to Work in, come on
laughs, come out. Like happy staff.
Happy patients. I when will we learn that
lesson? So from there?
I kind of got a bit frustrated with Healthcare and leadership
in management. And that was my opportunity.
Like that was my moment to change the world.
I felt like I was pushing crap uphill.
Like, it was just not happening and I realized that I could just
that the one thing that I could do that, I could do really well
with support my staff and really invest.
The clinicians. So I guess that's kind of where
the coaching stuff for me was born.
I absolutely loved investing in people and seeing people thrive
for the first time in their career, just by taking couple
minutes to chat. So, yeah, nothing career
coaching was born. They are always doing it kind
of, by default in the workplace. I was helping people and
promotions. I was looking at the resumes of
looking at their applications, getting them through their
interview prep and her, they were all wanting the chopsticks.
And so do this is cool. I need to manage my own bar
night. I actually sought career and
mentorship support external to the workforce now, a heart and
non-clinical career coach to see kind of what my options were at
the time. And I was a bit skeptical of a
thought. Well, how is this person going
to help me the not a club? They do understand the clinical
drought, but that's under. I was boy.
I couldn't have been more wrong. They really helped me.
See what it was. I had to offer and what I was
already doing and starts. Why lean cuts for coaching us?
Junior High. From its nursing was born.
I have connects you to do now. I love that birth story of your
business. That's beautiful.
And a couple things that I was thinking as you were talking,
was this NLP practitioner. Now, again, forgive my ignorance
because I just assumed an LP, just, you know, met something
along the lines of nursing. But what, two things, how did
that training? And then how did your nursing
training help you? As you've started to build this
business? Okay.
NLP is really powerful when utilized in a coaching setting.
And it really helps us kind of locate our brains.
I can have objectively and look at our past experiences and
really try and work through some of those things that have caused
us trauma. Our issues in the past and it
helps us can have realign and rewire our kind of neural
patterns and neural Pathways so that we love opt for better
better Pathways and better choices and to ultimately adopt
better thoughts so we can create better results in the future.
I know, isn't it fascinating? Yeah.
Yeah.
It's Tony Robbins. It's the go to coach for this
globally. I didn't learn from him but he
is an NLP master. I think he liked pretty much
birthed it himself. Yeah, it's phenomenal and it's
just one of many tools to know that we can use in coaching to
really cult clinician. See that, see their full
potential. I remember when I did a level of
therapy myself and the past they talk about how your mind creates
these almost like ruts. And so you automatically go from
A to B, and it's really convenient because your brain
can do things. Quickly, but it's also super
detrimental because instead of creating new Pathways of
thinking, a new ways of looking at things, you always look at
them at the same way. So is this kind of similar to
that is this creating new Pathways and creating new ways
to think about things and kind of getting your mindset changed.
Is that what the purpose of it is?
For? Sure.
Yeah. I'm definitely it's one modality
to basically help us. Look at circumstances.
It's being a neutral thing. I'm creating.
Base between what happens, and then the thoughts that we then
choose to think and the results that we create, as we move down
that path. So, it's pretty powerful stuff
and I'm great really helps people move from, I hate using
the word but move from that kind of victim, mindset into more of
a, like, an entire words Champion mindset, which we Mark
and coaching. I just got finished listening to
a podcast episode where Donald Miller.
He is the author of story brand. He comes on and talks about how
there are four character types and every story.
There's the victim, there's the hero and there is the gosh.
The other characters are escaping me right now.
But anyway, he says that at some point in our lives.
We play one of these roles at different times and how the
victim role never wins us anything ever in life and how we
want to do the guide. That's the other one to there's
the called the guide. So the Yoda the person that
comes into Luke Skywalker's life and teach him how to be the
hero. It's very inspirational.
When you hear him describe these roles.
I can't remember the fourth one. Of course, it's always why you
can't remember. Yeah, that he describes these
roles and you walk away and you just think like, oh my goodness.
Who am I choosing to be the villain?
There? It is.
The villain Alice. There's the hero.
There's the guide, and there is the victim.
And so they say that the hero saves the victim, but if you
notice in the end, the movie, they always scan away from the
victim after he saves him, and they focus in on the Hero and
that the hero always has a guide like Luke Skywalker, needing
Yoda. Um, I'm at any point, the hero
is always battling with the villain inside of himself,
right? So there's this moment in Star
Wars. I happen to be really big Star
Wars fan. But there's this moment that
Luke has to like fight with the dark side of the force, right?
He has to realize, is he? Dark is Eli, you know, whatever,
this story timeline is in all of our lives and we get to choose
which Character, we want to play and it's just this really
beautiful Ensemble that he's put together to really explain that
same mindset that you're talking about about choosing to either
be the victim, the hero and then in your role and something that
I'm trying to cultivate is being the guide, right?
Being the person that shows the hero how to get what they want.
And then the battle that the individual person has within
themselves, is choosing to be that hero.
Choosing either be the victim or choosing to be that villain.
And so it's just really cool but it made me think about that.
As you were describing it. I went really convoluted in
describing it but that is essentially on what I thought
was so incredible. I love that so much.
That is such an amazing way to look at it.
Yeah, and to know the Crux of that is it's a choice.
Like we should get that. It is a choice.
Like there is no one to bending twisting her on.
It's a choice. Yes. 100%.
And that's the thing that I began to see in my career.
Is that sometimes I felt like This is just were being made for
me and I began to almost get into that victim mindset of
like, oh, well, my boss is a like me.
Oh, well, you know, this is all these different things and then
you just turn realizing like no. See, jury in the driver seat.
Like you have complete control over how this looks and so
please start driving your car and I can't be the only nurse
that's asleep. Like I can't be the only one,
that's not driving my life. And so I really wanted to just
bring awareness. Earnest and bring the exposure
to nurses that are like, walking into that hero mindset, and let
them be individual guides to people that might be struggling
as well. So, I think that's a beautiful
journey. I think what you're doing is
exactly what we all are aspiring to be, is that Yoda ask?
But you're gonna ask individual that we are showing others how
to get the life that they want through the moments in our
career, and the tough lessons. And the things that we learned.
As we were going through our careers and you started even
earlier than I did. I was 22.
You were 19. So that's pretty incredible.
And so the next part of our interview, I like to ask, tell
me about a time that was a real struggle that you had to
overcome something in your career.
But some people are like, what do you mean by this?
I just mean a time where you were just like, I don't know
what I'm doing. Oh my gosh.
This is a mess and then how you work to overcome it?
Yeah, that's a good one. Oh my God, there's so many
moments, but I'll choose one. I think I had a real big bite of
bar night in my transition, from being a nurse educator into a
nurse manager position. And I think it's because I took
the weight of the world and the weight of the area, the clinical
area, and my staff, in my patients live on my shoulders,
and had like three, four years worth of Mace, to tidy up that
like, no one had done for 34 years.
So I think that for me was really challenging as some do
that now, SLI is someone that would Jenna thinks they are high
performing. I want to go out and do the best
that I can, which I think most clinicians do want to do and
that was really challenging for me in that process.
Allow me to start unpacking of what was going on for me.
Mentally, like the stories that I was telling myself.
I'm really detaching myself, like my true self, from my ego
and like that, jeannot angel, and demon sitting on my
shoulder. So that was really challenging
for me. I to work through but I guess
Jenna I did that by just starting to prioritize my
self-care going to therapy working through all of that.
I don't think maybe enough clinicians talk about going to
therapy. I think that it's a lot of
people would benefit from going to therapy within the healthcare
and realm. It's such a hard job at the
stuff. We see is not normal.
I deleted age 7. No, it's not normal.
Not. So yeah, that was it.
It was a really challenging time.
But Jan, I guess it's worth noting that when you have those
moments, you always come through them, right?
And in the moment, you think, how am I going to get out of
this? And at the time, I really
important reflection for me was I thought nursing was the
problem? When all along it was my
thoughts about nursing. That was the problem.
I had this story, this internal story such.
I actually have a lot of hatred for health care that more.
It's just driving me crazy. I just thought that Wieck was
the biggest problem in my life when it was my thoughts about
work. So that was a huge moment for me
when I went. All right.
Okay. Yeah, that's me.
Cause they go. Oh, the pain.
Yes, work can be problematic, but I can choose what I want to
think about that. What?
I want to believe about that Darcy's feeling like the
victims. So, that was really challenging.
I think we all have those experiences and we all go
through moments where we just think, you know, I can't be the
villain kind of going back to what I was describing earlier.
I can't be the problem and you start to realize, no, you very
much are the problem. And yes, the system has cracks
because it's an imperfect system and it will always be broken.
However, you have got to create the life that That you want
aside from the system and you're in complete control of that.
I think for my listeners in the end.
They know that, you know, I felt a similar sense when I had my
son. I struggled going back to work
and I worked full-time for a period.
And I was so burned out and stressed out coming home and
having a little one. And I just decided like, this
has got to stop. Like, I cannot, I don't hate my
job. I don't like that.
I'm being pushed into Many different areas that I have to
excel in. Like, I need to step back from
things and prioritize myself. And so that was a real big
turning point in my life as well.
And it was one of those moments that I realized.
I'm like, I'm not a victim here. Like I need to adjust my
lifestyle. I need to, you know, I need to
get rid. I don't need to have a super
fancy car. And so, one of the things I did,
I got rid of my vehicle. I love this car, but I was like,
but it's going to keep me from the life that I want, which is,
I don't want to be here all. All the time.
So is this car worth my happiness?
No, like the car needs to go. We need to go get the twins
head. You know, like we don't need to
be in a brand new car. And so these are the little
things that I was doing, but even though in the moment, you
feel like, oh, this is so hard. I had to turn over my vehicle.
It was like, no, but you're being free, Give It Go, like, go
be free. And so those are the things that
you create in your life that has a super small example, but it
really is at overarching theme that I am.
Sizing what I want in general and globally, what I want in my
life. And so you'll make the
sacrifices to make sure you could have those things.
And I think we're all doing it in some sort of way.
It just looks different for all of us.
That's really cool. I tell me about a success.
Tell me about a time. That was just amazing.
That you were like, this is, this is it.
This is the moment of you. How you do you have?
I've made it. Or are you know, our is there?
No such another through. Yeah.
I think I put like a few since I've launched my business, my
coaching person. I feel like I've had Add a few
like really awesome moments are just going to blow my own mind.
First of all, like working with amazing clinicians and helping
them see how Fab they are and helping them get those jobs that
they want to achieve. I'd that is my number one
priority and I love that that lights me up big time.
But also I might what Cass like, you know what?
It's like, what casting is. Like it's a lot of fun, but it's
also a lot of time I did a lot of resources goes into it.
So this week actually is a one year anniversary since Launch my
podcast. And yeah, I think we had like
strippers. I'm celebrating that and Jen, I
celebrating it being listened across the world and I all the
amazing listeners and followers listening to Little Liam from
Jedi from the small town Scotland.
It just blows my mind that I've been able to achieve that and it
just goes to show a right to know whatever you think you
create. Like if you want to achieve
something you can you just have to get to work and do it and
make it happen for yourself. Self.
And finally, last year, I was invited onto National radio here
in Australia and I was on ABC radio, which is like a national
radio station. It was at 11:00 at night.
But but that's, that's all right.
There was still, a million listeners.
There was a million people listening.
I to me talking live, and I was so scared, but and I had so many
internal stories. I was like, oh my God, you can't
do this. Like, who are you?
All of the things came up? And I just was like, hell to the
no. Thank you very much.
I'm going to go for this and give it a hug to the 10% and it
was such fun. Like I just really enjoyed the
experience. So to oh my God.
Yes, so I have a couple things to say but we just had first
being shout out to my listeners in Australia because you are so
right. I actually see you're like where
people are located. I actually pulled it up so I
could describe it. Let me see.
I've got listeners in Victoria South South Australia and
Queensland, there's a like things that come up and I shout
out to y'all. I know you guys are listening.
Thank you for listening. But it is incredible.
Like you said to see that people all over the world are hearing
what we are saying and it's just like what I would have.
Never thought this, you know, seven months ago.
When I started my podcast that I was going to have people from
all over the world listening, so you are right.
It blows my mind every single time.
I see it and I'm totally with you.
And then you said, having a The in people listening to you and
fighting imposter syndrome and being like I'm not worthy but
you are. Liam like you've got years and
years of experience, you are hoping nurses.
And so I'm just here to pump you up and say you are absolutely
every bit capable of exactly what you were doing.
And so many more nurses. I think need to see themselves
as capable and able to share whatever wisdom and knowledge
that they have accrued. Everyone can be the guide.
Everyone can guide someone else because there's somebody behind
you that could really benefit from whatever it is that you
have inside of you. So share it.
Don't be afraid. Don't think that you don't have
anything to offer because just like Liam.
And I we just decided one day, we were going to sit down and
have conversations with people and let them and let us guide
others. You can do the same.
It doesn't have to be a podcast. We don't all have to be
podcasters, but it can look like something for you.
That looks Front and that will be beautiful as well.
So yeah, well, that'll goods. And I love that you keep coming
back to be the guides because that speaks so loudly to me.
And in particular, for people that are listening a good lesson
is you only have to be one step ahead of someone that you want
to help the biggest thing that people struggle with, as they
think they need to know everything, if they need to
know, all of the things and they need to know the how I'm but you
to learn the hair until you've achieved.
Eve the call, so it's super important to just sit with that.
Go with that. I'm just be that step ahead and
start serving people if that's what you want to do.
Exactly. And I think it's really
interesting to I read this quote somewhere that said, Oprah got
very, very famous and very very rich from asking questions.
She didn't come on to the Oprah Winfrey Show and say, let me
show you how I do this know what she did was she just asked
questions. She just set up a stage in a
platform. For people to ask questions, and
explain themselves, and this became her beautiful career.
You don't have to know it all, she didn't know at all, but she
just asked the perfect questions.
And so I just thought that was, like, really like inspirational,
like snaps what I read that I was like, okay.
That's the right question, doesn't even do it.
You don't have to know what? All right.
So anyway, I thought absolutely nothing.
So I'm curious folks, beautifully said, Said, so any
Mentor is Liam. Did anybody come along the way
and really help you in your career?
That's a great question. I think, obviously there have
been mentors along the way, but a big reason why I set up my
performance nursing was because of the lack of mentors and
coaches, unfortunately, and once I discovered the power of
coaching, I thought. Wow, like this is the fix.
This is the cure to all of our kids problems.
Like we start coaching each other with start being nice to
each other. We will see, generic people rise
and All of the rest of it and I did come across a leadership
coach at work in my last national manager role and that
was awesome. Having exposure to at leadership
can have executive coach and that really opened my eyes.
And I remember sitting in one of the sessions and I just thought
to myself, this is what my need to be doing.
This is my path. It just spoke to me.
And it's so funny, because I often feel guilt for not really
wanting to be in the clinical Arena anymore.
Or I'd in wanting to be like the coach for the clinicians, but,
you know, I just, I just felt so strongly pulled to that
leadership coach in that moment. And when I left the room, a few,
my colleagues were like Liam, I can see you doing that in the
future. Like, that's right up your
street and I thought, Yep. This is my moment.
This what I need to do, so that was super powerful for me.
I don't think I've necessarily had that many amazing amount of
unfortunately, but I hope to provide that for clinicians here
in Australia and globally moving.
Because we all need a coach Bill Gates has got a coach.
Like why won't you have a coach exactly my last guest.
I just published. She said, Tom Tiger Woods has a
coach. Why wouldn't I?
And so that's a mentality that these people that are high
performing. They have coaches.
They have people that are speaking into their lives and
helping them see things. Again.
They are a couple steps ahead of them.
I mean, these people are incredibly successful, like, who
is have been more successful than Bill Gates, but yet they
still need someone to help them help.
Guide them through their lives. So yeah, that's really good.
And the last question of our podcast is, if so, you got it.
We've got a new nurse. She starting off in her career,
and she doesn't know where to get started.
Where what she wants to do. What is one piece of advice that
you wish you would have heard when you were first starting off
and one what is one piece of advice?
You would recommend her toss aside piece to hold onto
something to toss aside. Okay, he's to hold onto would be
Get curious and Sample, just explore just just try
everything. Don't get yourself stuck
somewhere. Just keep trying, keep moving,
keep testing the waters and really find what it is that
works for you be that clinical and non-clinical the thing that
you should toss is definitely following a traditional nursing
career path. I think that there are just so
many amazing opportunities out there.
You do not need to follow that old.
Jenna saying of like you need to do your five years before you
get X and general before you become a manager.
You need to do 10 and slog. You got some when you get to
manage me. You're gonna hit your life like
no through the iTunes got help. I don't do it.
It's terrible. Yeah.
So yeah, toss that out the window and just do you create
your own path. Yes.
I love that. I love that just again because
One of the things that I discussed, I actually had on my
podcast. She is a councilwoman for a city
in California and the nurse and I wanted to talk to her because
she got involved in politics. I reached out to her on LinkedIn
and I was able to have this wonderful conversation with her
and basically, she describes a similar thing that as she's kind
of paved her this way, merging politics in nursing.
She's realized that she's making it easier for the person behind
her. And so she's describes climbing
a mountain like Mount Everest. And That there were other people
that have climbed these mountains and that they would
leave things along the path to make it easier.
For the person who was coming behind him, who was climbing
Mount Everest to get up to the summit.
I thought that was so inspirational because I was
like, oh, I could just see her like climbing this mountain,
like getting to, like she was the mayor of the city for a
period of time. She was working as a
councilwoman and like she was all by herself up there,
climbing this mountain, and now that she's telling her story.
And she's describing how she got there.
Nurses, that are behind. Her can go.
Like I could do that too. And she left little morsels and
little things along the way that helped other nurses get there
even easier. I just thought it was super
beautiful and just that's really unique thing that she gets to
do. But if all of us do the same
thing, if all of us choose the same path, then we don't have
people that are climbing Everest, that are choosing hard
paths by themselves. And then reaching back and
helping others, get to those same positions.
And I think the more nurses that we have an incredible positions,
the more doors that opens for all of us.
If we all do the same thing. We open the same doors.
Then we're only going to have those options like go off.
Do the thing that nobody else is doing and create something that
maybe somebody else behind you could make even better, or
improve or yeah, it could be their escape.
So it's actually gonna be the example, for sure.
I All right. I thought that was really cool.
All right. So Leon the last part of the
interview is the rapid fire questions, questions questions.
I don't know. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
It's so what is your favorite animal?
I'm going to say Roberts. Have pet rabbits, my favorite,
but I like on my bike. Okay, the last thing you watched
on Netflix and which church The Witcher how it is?
Yeah. Okay check that.
I think I've seen it. I've been re Cavill thing.
Yeah, I was just gonna say whatever you told me.
You're from Scotland. I legitimately have I watched
Outlander. And so I know like, I know
Scotland and I don't, I don't, I don't know anything, but I just
feel like I do because I love that show.
I am okay. And then, what is Why not food
that? You would gladly get out of your
life? Oh my goodness.
I'm very good at the summarize. It's a funny thing is, I've
literally just changed from being vegetarian to go back to
eating meat. So I would have said meet last
tweet. What's one thing I would get out
of my life, maybe Pastor, because I eat too much of it and
it's not. Okay.
There you go, monster.
All right, we can't where can my guests?
Find you? Where can they say?
They're like, oh, I'm in Australia.
And, you know, I've been listening to Sandra and This is
really cool. I would like to reach out to
Liam and he and see if he can help me.
Where can they find you cheer with my guest?
Yeah, looking looking looking awesome.
I'd love to chat. I am at Liam cars world.com and
I'm also on every social media platform like we all are but
I'll just give you insta. I'm at high-performance nursing
this. Yep.
So just search that and you'll find me down there on Insta.
Perfect. Perfect.
Anything else you'd like to share with my listeners Before I
Let You Go, No, just thank you so much.
Like I love you. Yeah, it's so inspiring.
And I'm just so glad that we connected.
So I'm home forward to having you on my podcast very shortly.
I would be honored, guys. Thank you for listening and
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