1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:05,000 Hi there, my name is dr. Presenta, and I'm the host of 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,500 the doctor nurse podcast. I'm an advanced nurse 3 00:00:07,500 --> 00:00:10,600 practitioner and I want to be your guide into the world of 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 nursing professions. This podcast is a platform for 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,100 nurses to share their Journeys as they made their way in the 6 00:00:17,100 --> 00:00:20,900 diverse field of nursing as either entrepreneurs, Academia 7 00:00:21,100 --> 00:00:23,900 private, practice or even the corporate world. 8 00:00:24,100 --> 00:00:27,300 I think we should celebrate just how diverse the field of nursing 9 00:00:27,300 --> 00:00:30,100 is through mentoring one. Another, with the stories of our 10 00:00:30,100 --> 00:00:31,000 career. Journeys. 11 00:00:31,300 --> 00:00:34,700 Nothing is too mundane because each journey is unique. 12 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:38,500 This podcast will showcase career options to encourage 13 00:00:38,500 --> 00:00:41,300 nurses to view their degrees with a business mindset. 14 00:00:41,500 --> 00:00:44,600 After all we work in the healthcare business and 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,400 ultimately, I hope I might inspire you to make a change. 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,200 If you're looking for something different. 17 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,000 I am motivated to see you live, your best, nursing life and that 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,100 looks different for everyone. Thanks for joining me on today's 19 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:57,900 podcast. And let's get started with 20 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:04,300 today's guests. Hi, Liam, welcome to the doctor 21 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:08,500 nurse podcast and so happy to have you on today, Sandra. 22 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,500 Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure. 23 00:01:10,500 --> 00:01:13,800 It's a joy to be here. Oh guys, for you guys listening 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,000 today. I have a real treat. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Liam casswell is an RN nurse coach and an NLP NLP 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,800 practitioner. So it's in your linguistic 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,500 programming practitioner. So I'm it's all about, rewiring 28 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:31,700 your patterns and your mindset. Okay, so, I said, say it again 29 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:36,800 neuro-linguistic, programming practitioner podcast host in a 30 00:01:36,808 --> 00:01:39,700 nurse preneur. He graduated from Edinburgh, 31 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:44,700 Napier University Scotland in 2011, with 10 years of 32 00:01:44,700 --> 00:01:47,900 international, nursing experience spanning from the UK 33 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:49,600 Australia. And Fiji. 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,100 Liam has a dual Master's in international public, health and 35 00:01:54,100 --> 00:01:57,300 Health Management. He's a nurse career and 36 00:01:57,300 --> 00:02:00,200 Leadership coach. And he is based in Sydney, 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,100 Australia. Australia. 38 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:05,100 He has helped over 130 nurses, achieve career alignment. 39 00:02:05,100 --> 00:02:07,100 Success Through one-on-one coaching. 40 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:11,400 He's the proud host and creator of the high-performance nursing 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,900 podcast, which is on Spotify, and I highly recommend you guys 42 00:02:14,900 --> 00:02:18,600 check it out where he had these conversations with global 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,700 clinicians and explores. What is possible with the career 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,500 of nursing? So welcome. 45 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:27,200 Liam. I am so happy to have you on 46 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,200 today and guys, let's dive. Right in. 47 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:36,400 So Liam explain to my listeners exactly what it is that you do 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,700 for living. Sambal, thank you so much. 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,300 I underst career and Leadership coach. 50 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:47,300 All I am, the founder and CEO, I guess bad boss or very high 51 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:49,100 performance do. So you'd leave you cos will 52 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:51,700 coaching. I set that up over a year and a 53 00:02:51,700 --> 00:02:53,400 half ago. Now, I think you can have two 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,200 years ago. I wear. 55 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,500 I just saw this Gap in the industry where no Seas were just 56 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:02,800 not getting access to mentorship and coaching clinically in the 57 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,400 workplace. And I noticed that as a nursing 58 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,000 leader. I want you to bring that to the 59 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000 masses and that's it. My overarching vision is helping 60 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,200 clinicians, fulfill their full potential and can arise through 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,200 their career. And can if like you that the 62 00:03:16,208 --> 00:03:20,200 message that you deliver allow nurses to see that the degree is 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,100 a ticket to creating a life that they want to live and 64 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:25,800 intentional Life. That's my kind of current title 65 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,200 at the moment. I also do still work in 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,100 dabbling, clinical land and I work predominantly within the 67 00:03:32,100 --> 00:03:35,900 university sector. So I work as a sessional mark 68 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:39,000 era so I give all the students a Bad grades if their Grandma's 69 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,400 bad and and I also do Sensational academic teaching 70 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,200 and work with students on placement here in Australia 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,800 during their undergraduate studies. 72 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:53,600 Oh my goodness, so lots of lots of hats. 73 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,200 Lots of pots on the stove that are cooking and that's what I'm 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,200 all about. I think that one of the things 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,000 that my podcast, I hope to Showcase is nurses that don't 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,600 just have their foot in the hospital and in one of your 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,800 podcast episodes, you were speaking with Lauren. 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 You really do describe that. That's also your vision for 79 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,300 nurses. It's for them to not just be 80 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:16,600 stuck especially when it comes to burnout and different things 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,600 that you experience throughout your career. 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,100 And I know that you would said you moved up the ranks and you 83 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:24,500 were in the managerial position. Is that on the clinical Fork? 84 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:26,500 I guess walk me through your steps. 85 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:29,900 How did you get to this specific spot in your career and kind of 86 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:33,700 walk me through beginning with the moment you decided to become 87 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:36,700 a nurse and then walk me through just kind of that whole process 88 00:04:36,700 --> 00:04:39,000 to where you were like, it's Time to bust out on my own. 89 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:43,300 Yeah, I love that. So I started back in the UK, I 90 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:46,700 grew up in Scotland, and I was going to surrounded by 91 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:48,800 clinicians. My mom was an assistant in 92 00:04:48,808 --> 00:04:50,400 nursing. I like a healthcare support 93 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,300 worker, and my grand was a nurse and she worked actually in 94 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:55,500 Spain. And at the time I thought I love 95 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,000 caring for people. Why not just dive into this. 96 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,200 So I studied nursing graduated from University. 97 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,600 When I was 19 to started my degree when I was six, super 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,000 young who have said. I was kind of a real dead set on 99 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,900 achieving it. It's the high performance. 100 00:05:08,900 --> 00:05:11,400 They know there's a theme there from there. 101 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,300 I can, I started walking medical and missions and planning. 102 00:05:14,300 --> 00:05:17,600 So it's like, a really busy acute, medical kind of extension 103 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,900 to emergency here in the UK work. 104 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:24,600 They are loved it. Thrived on the hustle culture 105 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,100 and you know, patients and patient side. 106 00:05:27,500 --> 00:05:30,000 And then had a beautiful exchange with a nurse unit 107 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,000 manager from the Intensive Care Unit and actually looked after 108 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,900 one of her relatives not knowing that that was the Intensive Care 109 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:38,900 manager. And she came to me at the end of 110 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:41,100 the shift and said, have you ever thought about a career in 111 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:42,900 intensive care? And I said, no. 112 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:44,700 Not really. Like I was only like one year 113 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:46,200 out of my grad. Sure. 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,000 I think you should apply another. 115 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,200 Okay, cool. So I'll fight rot. 116 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,100 And I did my Intensive Care Nursing and I did that for about 117 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:55,900 four or five years and then I migrated to Australia. 118 00:05:55,900 --> 00:05:58,900 My partner's Australian. So moved out here to get some 119 00:05:58,900 --> 00:06:03,100 sunshine and some War. Yeah, I'm did a real variety of 120 00:06:03,100 --> 00:06:06,300 different things. And this is what I Canna preach 121 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:09,500 to the nursing population. Then Workforce here in Australia 122 00:06:09,500 --> 00:06:12,900 is sample, sample, sample, and I feel like through my career. 123 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:16,800 That's what I've done. I watched agency can have like 124 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,600 travel nursing low coming or a few years here in Sydney, which 125 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:22,600 through the Public's in the private sector. 126 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,300 I watch the University's again, did a bit of University support 127 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,900 I, which is amazing to be able to support and nurture those 128 00:06:28,900 --> 00:06:31,800 students at that, such an early stage in their career. 129 00:06:32,300 --> 00:06:34,400 And then from there. I actually moved down to 130 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Canberra Australia. So move from Sydney to Canberra 131 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,900 and Camera is this is the actual capital of Australia? 132 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:44,600 Not that, anybody knows that. So it's not exactly know. 133 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,500 Everybody thinks it's severe. It's Melbourne Canberra and 134 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:52,500 America, nice. The same coming from the UK. 135 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:54,300 I'm like, what is this camera, please? 136 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,800 Yeah, that's so funny. And I moved here, and then a lot 137 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,600 of opportunities can have arose from that move actually, which 138 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,400 was interesting. I moved into Advanced life 139 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,900 support training. So kind of like your ALS is a 140 00:07:06,900 --> 00:07:09,900 CLI training. I did that last few years, I 141 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:12,900 which I loved and then I mean, what did you love about it? 142 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:18,500 I loved I loved helping people see that they can thrive in a 143 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:21,700 high-stress environment and can have like really utilize that 144 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:25,500 algorithm and once you know that algorithm like China does 145 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:27,700 nothing stopping you. Yes, has lots of things that are 146 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:31,400 variable but once you get that down pad, you can achieve 147 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,400 anything in this arrests, really With the support of your team 148 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,200 and really helping people see that the not alone because I 149 00:07:37,207 --> 00:07:40,300 think often as clinicians we think holy moly. 150 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:42,900 I'm here. My patience has crashed. 151 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:44,400 Who's around. Is anybody here? 152 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,500 So that was really rewarding. Yeah. 153 00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,100 I'm like self efficacy rate. You're teaching them the ability 154 00:07:50,300 --> 00:07:53,900 to walk into a situation and change it like, you know, not 155 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,900 always but for the most part going back to your coaching, 156 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,500 which is that same along that same line in that same vein, mm 157 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:03,100 teaching people how to change it. 158 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:07,100 You Asian that they're in through what they know somebody 159 00:08:07,500 --> 00:08:11,000 unloved. Yeah, in terms of the ALS as 160 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,700 well. What I loved about, it was the 161 00:08:12,700 --> 00:08:15,400 critical thinking and seeing clinicians that maybe didn't 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,400 typically work in an acute environment coming through the 163 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,000 course and then equipping them with this, like, awesome skill 164 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,300 set, like the fundamental thing, which is your patient 165 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:26,800 assessment. So I love that I'm moving from 166 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,500 there. I went into clinical education. 167 00:08:28,500 --> 00:08:31,000 I did that in acute medicine for a few years and then moved into 168 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,900 man irons did know student manager. 169 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,600 And that's where Isis or the system can have falling apart a 170 00:08:36,608 --> 00:08:39,900 little bit crash. Your started noticing all the 171 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:41,200 cracks. Let me see. 172 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,799 The baby is Canto. We're on Disney. 173 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:46,600 It's so cute. But basically the house starts 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,500 having cracks in it. And there's somebody on the 175 00:08:48,500 --> 00:08:53,500 inside patching, all the cracks. So it's all cracking vote. 176 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:55,800 But there's like something in there like the nurse managers 177 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,400 like trying to keep the cracks from showing up. 178 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,800 Anyway, so we think well, I can relate to that all the topless 179 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 devil. I need to watch that. 180 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,200 Yeah, it was, it was very much like that. 181 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,100 And that's what I experienced despite having an investing in 182 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:13,900 doing my masters of healthcare leadership and management. 183 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,400 I still was deeply deeply frustrated with the system and 184 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,600 the limitations, and the Staffing. 185 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,500 And all of the problems that are Global in healthcare around. 186 00:09:24,500 --> 00:09:26,600 Yes, Jenna. How do you deliver a high 187 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,000 quality safe service to patients and also create a 188 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,900 psychologically safe environment for staff to Work in, come on 189 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:37,400 laughs, come out. Like happy staff. 190 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Happy patients. I when will we learn that 191 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,700 lesson? So from there? 192 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:46,700 I kind of got a bit frustrated with Healthcare and leadership 193 00:09:46,700 --> 00:09:49,300 in management. And that was my opportunity. 194 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,700 Like that was my moment to change the world. 195 00:09:51,700 --> 00:09:53,500 I felt like I was pushing crap uphill. 196 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,400 Like, it was just not happening and I realized that I could just 197 00:09:57,700 --> 00:10:00,100 that the one thing that I could do that, I could do really well 198 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,100 with support my staff and really invest. 199 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,800 The clinicians. So I guess that's kind of where 200 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,600 the coaching stuff for me was born. 201 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,600 I absolutely loved investing in people and seeing people thrive 202 00:10:13,700 --> 00:10:16,400 for the first time in their career, just by taking couple 203 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,200 minutes to chat. So, yeah, nothing career 204 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,300 coaching was born. They are always doing it kind 205 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:24,400 of, by default in the workplace. I was helping people and 206 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,300 promotions. I was looking at the resumes of 207 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:30,400 looking at their applications, getting them through their 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,000 interview prep and her, they were all wanting the chopsticks. 209 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,700 And so do this is cool. I need to manage my own bar 210 00:10:35,700 --> 00:10:38,100 night. I actually sought career and 211 00:10:38,100 --> 00:10:41,500 mentorship support external to the workforce now, a heart and 212 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:45,400 non-clinical career coach to see kind of what my options were at 213 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,200 the time. And I was a bit skeptical of a 214 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,500 thought. Well, how is this person going 215 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:51,200 to help me the not a club? They do understand the clinical 216 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,400 drought, but that's under. I was boy. 217 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,500 I couldn't have been more wrong. They really helped me. 218 00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:59,200 See what it was. I had to offer and what I was 219 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,600 already doing and starts. Why lean cuts for coaching us? 220 00:11:02,700 --> 00:11:04,500 Junior High. From its nursing was born. 221 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:08,300 I have connects you to do now. I love that birth story of your 222 00:11:08,300 --> 00:11:10,000 business. That's beautiful. 223 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:13,000 And a couple things that I was thinking as you were talking, 224 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,700 was this NLP practitioner. Now, again, forgive my ignorance 225 00:11:16,700 --> 00:11:19,500 because I just assumed an LP, just, you know, met something 226 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,900 along the lines of nursing. But what, two things, how did 227 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:25,200 that training? And then how did your nursing 228 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,000 training help you? As you've started to build this 229 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:28,800 business? Okay. 230 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,000 NLP is really powerful when utilized in a coaching setting. 231 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:35,500 And it really helps us kind of locate our brains. 232 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 I can have objectively and look at our past experiences and 233 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,600 really try and work through some of those things that have caused 234 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,800 us trauma. Our issues in the past and it 235 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,300 helps us can have realign and rewire our kind of neural 236 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:50,600 patterns and neural Pathways so that we love opt for better 237 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,000 better Pathways and better choices and to ultimately adopt 238 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,900 better thoughts so we can create better results in the future. 239 00:11:57,300 --> 00:11:59,100 I know, isn't it fascinating? Yeah. 240 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:01,100 Yeah. Yeah. 241 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:05,200 It's Tony Robbins. It's the go to coach for this 242 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,100 globally. I didn't learn from him but he 243 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:09,800 is an NLP master. I think he liked pretty much 244 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,800 birthed it himself. Yeah, it's phenomenal and it's 245 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,200 just one of many tools to know that we can use in coaching to 246 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,800 really cult clinician. See that, see their full 247 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,200 potential. I remember when I did a level of 248 00:12:22,208 --> 00:12:26,200 therapy myself and the past they talk about how your mind creates 249 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,100 these almost like ruts. And so you automatically go from 250 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:32,400 A to B, and it's really convenient because your brain 251 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,700 can do things. Quickly, but it's also super 252 00:12:34,700 --> 00:12:38,300 detrimental because instead of creating new Pathways of 253 00:12:38,300 --> 00:12:42,200 thinking, a new ways of looking at things, you always look at 254 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,000 them at the same way. So is this kind of similar to 255 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,300 that is this creating new Pathways and creating new ways 256 00:12:48,300 --> 00:12:52,000 to think about things and kind of getting your mindset changed. 257 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Is that what the purpose of it is? 258 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,300 For? Sure. 259 00:12:55,300 --> 00:12:57,700 Yeah. I'm definitely it's one modality 260 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:00,500 to basically help us. Look at circumstances. 261 00:13:00,500 --> 00:13:03,000 It's being a neutral thing. I'm creating. 262 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,600 Base between what happens, and then the thoughts that we then 263 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,600 choose to think and the results that we create, as we move down 264 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,000 that path. So, it's pretty powerful stuff 265 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:16,800 and I'm great really helps people move from, I hate using 266 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,900 the word but move from that kind of victim, mindset into more of 267 00:13:19,900 --> 00:13:23,700 a, like, an entire words Champion mindset, which we Mark 268 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:26,300 and coaching. I just got finished listening to 269 00:13:26,300 --> 00:13:29,600 a podcast episode where Donald Miller. 270 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,000 He is the author of story brand. He comes on and talks about how 271 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,900 there are four character types and every story. 272 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:41,600 There's the victim, there's the hero and there is the gosh. 273 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,700 The other characters are escaping me right now. 274 00:13:43,700 --> 00:13:45,800 But anyway, he says that at some point in our lives. 275 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,600 We play one of these roles at different times and how the 276 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,100 victim role never wins us anything ever in life and how we 277 00:13:54,100 --> 00:13:56,000 want to do the guide. That's the other one to there's 278 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,200 the called the guide. So the Yoda the person that 279 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,600 comes into Luke Skywalker's life and teach him how to be the 280 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,500 hero. It's very inspirational. 281 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:06,000 When you hear him describe these roles. 282 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,800 I can't remember the fourth one. Of course, it's always why you 283 00:14:07,808 --> 00:14:09,700 can't remember. Yeah, that he describes these 284 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:12,800 roles and you walk away and you just think like, oh my goodness. 285 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,700 Who am I choosing to be the villain? 286 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:15,200 There? It is. 287 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,300 The villain Alice. There's the hero. 288 00:14:18,300 --> 00:14:21,200 There's the guide, and there is the victim. 289 00:14:21,300 --> 00:14:25,200 And so they say that the hero saves the victim, but if you 290 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,100 notice in the end, the movie, they always scan away from the 291 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:33,300 victim after he saves him, and they focus in on the Hero and 292 00:14:33,300 --> 00:14:37,400 that the hero always has a guide like Luke Skywalker, needing 293 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,200 Yoda. Um, I'm at any point, the hero 294 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,200 is always battling with the villain inside of himself, 295 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:45,800 right? So there's this moment in Star 296 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Wars. I happen to be really big Star 297 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,100 Wars fan. But there's this moment that 298 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,700 Luke has to like fight with the dark side of the force, right? 299 00:14:53,700 --> 00:14:56,700 He has to realize, is he? Dark is Eli, you know, whatever, 300 00:14:56,700 --> 00:15:01,000 this story timeline is in all of our lives and we get to choose 301 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:05,900 which Character, we want to play and it's just this really 302 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:10,700 beautiful Ensemble that he's put together to really explain that 303 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:13,300 same mindset that you're talking about about choosing to either 304 00:15:13,300 --> 00:15:18,600 be the victim, the hero and then in your role and something that 305 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,300 I'm trying to cultivate is being the guide, right? 306 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:25,200 Being the person that shows the hero how to get what they want. 307 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,800 And then the battle that the individual person has within 308 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,700 themselves, is choosing to be that hero. 309 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:32,200 Choosing either be the victim or choosing to be that villain. 310 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,900 And so it's just really cool but it made me think about that. 311 00:15:34,900 --> 00:15:37,300 As you were describing it. I went really convoluted in 312 00:15:37,300 --> 00:15:40,600 describing it but that is essentially on what I thought 313 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,800 was so incredible. I love that so much. 314 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,700 That is such an amazing way to look at it. 315 00:15:45,700 --> 00:15:49,400 Yeah, and to know the Crux of that is it's a choice. 316 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:52,200 Like we should get that. It is a choice. 317 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,800 Like there is no one to bending twisting her on. 318 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,200 It's a choice. Yes. 100%. 319 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,400 And that's the thing that I began to see in my career. 320 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,200 Is that sometimes I felt like This is just were being made for 321 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:09,200 me and I began to almost get into that victim mindset of 322 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,400 like, oh, well, my boss is a like me. 323 00:16:11,500 --> 00:16:14,200 Oh, well, you know, this is all these different things and then 324 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,300 you just turn realizing like no. See, jury in the driver seat. 325 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:20,900 Like you have complete control over how this looks and so 326 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,500 please start driving your car and I can't be the only nurse 327 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:27,400 that's asleep. Like I can't be the only one, 328 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,600 that's not driving my life. And so I really wanted to just 329 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,000 bring awareness. Earnest and bring the exposure 330 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,600 to nurses that are like, walking into that hero mindset, and let 331 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,200 them be individual guides to people that might be struggling 332 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,900 as well. So, I think that's a beautiful 333 00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:46,600 journey. I think what you're doing is 334 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,700 exactly what we all are aspiring to be, is that Yoda ask? 335 00:16:50,700 --> 00:16:54,900 But you're gonna ask individual that we are showing others how 336 00:16:54,900 --> 00:16:58,900 to get the life that they want through the moments in our 337 00:16:58,900 --> 00:17:02,100 career, and the tough lessons. And the things that we learned. 338 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:05,099 As we were going through our careers and you started even 339 00:17:05,099 --> 00:17:06,800 earlier than I did. I was 22. 340 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,500 You were 19. So that's pretty incredible. 341 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,099 And so the next part of our interview, I like to ask, tell 342 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:16,500 me about a time that was a real struggle that you had to 343 00:17:16,500 --> 00:17:18,300 overcome something in your career. 344 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:19,700 But some people are like, what do you mean by this? 345 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:22,200 I just mean a time where you were just like, I don't know 346 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,599 what I'm doing. Oh my gosh. 347 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,099 This is a mess and then how you work to overcome it? 348 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:30,100 Yeah, that's a good one. Oh my God, there's so many 349 00:17:30,100 --> 00:17:34,000 moments, but I'll choose one. I think I had a real big bite of 350 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,000 bar night in my transition, from being a nurse educator into a 351 00:17:38,008 --> 00:17:41,100 nurse manager position. And I think it's because I took 352 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:44,100 the weight of the world and the weight of the area, the clinical 353 00:17:44,100 --> 00:17:47,400 area, and my staff, in my patients live on my shoulders, 354 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,000 and had like three, four years worth of Mace, to tidy up that 355 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 like, no one had done for 34 years. 356 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,800 So I think that for me was really challenging as some do 357 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,700 that now, SLI is someone that would Jenna thinks they are high 358 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:02,300 performing. I want to go out and do the best 359 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:06,800 that I can, which I think most clinicians do want to do and 360 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,200 that was really challenging for me in that process. 361 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,900 Allow me to start unpacking of what was going on for me. 362 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,000 Mentally, like the stories that I was telling myself. 363 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,200 I'm really detaching myself, like my true self, from my ego 364 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,100 and like that, jeannot angel, and demon sitting on my 365 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:27,000 shoulder. So that was really challenging 366 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,400 for me. I to work through but I guess 367 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,400 Jenna I did that by just starting to prioritize my 368 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:37,700 self-care going to therapy working through all of that. 369 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,500 I don't think maybe enough clinicians talk about going to 370 00:18:40,500 --> 00:18:44,000 therapy. I think that it's a lot of 371 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,700 people would benefit from going to therapy within the healthcare 372 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,700 and realm. It's such a hard job at the 373 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:52,000 stuff. We see is not normal. 374 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,500 I deleted age 7. No, it's not normal. 375 00:18:56,100 --> 00:18:57,700 Not. So yeah, that was it. 376 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,500 It was a really challenging time. 377 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,300 But Jan, I guess it's worth noting that when you have those 378 00:19:02,300 --> 00:19:04,400 moments, you always come through them, right? 379 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,800 And in the moment, you think, how am I going to get out of 380 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,200 this? And at the time, I really 381 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,700 important reflection for me was I thought nursing was the 382 00:19:12,700 --> 00:19:17,100 problem? When all along it was my 383 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:19,200 thoughts about nursing. That was the problem. 384 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,400 I had this story, this internal story such. 385 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,400 I actually have a lot of hatred for health care that more. 386 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,300 It's just driving me crazy. I just thought that Wieck was 387 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:32,900 the biggest problem in my life when it was my thoughts about 388 00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:35,300 work. So that was a huge moment for me 389 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:36,900 when I went. All right. 390 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:38,200 Okay. Yeah, that's me. 391 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,400 Cause they go. Oh, the pain. 392 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:43,700 Yes, work can be problematic, but I can choose what I want to 393 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:44,700 think about that. What? 394 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:47,600 I want to believe about that Darcy's feeling like the 395 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,800 victims. So, that was really challenging. 396 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,400 I think we all have those experiences and we all go 397 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,300 through moments where we just think, you know, I can't be the 398 00:19:57,300 --> 00:19:59,700 villain kind of going back to what I was describing earlier. 399 00:19:59,700 --> 00:20:03,900 I can't be the problem and you start to realize, no, you very 400 00:20:03,900 --> 00:20:08,300 much are the problem. And yes, the system has cracks 401 00:20:08,300 --> 00:20:11,300 because it's an imperfect system and it will always be broken. 402 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:15,400 However, you have got to create the life that That you want 403 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:20,200 aside from the system and you're in complete control of that. 404 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,600 I think for my listeners in the end. 405 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,400 They know that, you know, I felt a similar sense when I had my 406 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,000 son. I struggled going back to work 407 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,700 and I worked full-time for a period. 408 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:35,100 And I was so burned out and stressed out coming home and 409 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:38,100 having a little one. And I just decided like, this 410 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:41,200 has got to stop. Like, I cannot, I don't hate my 411 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,000 job. I don't like that. 412 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,400 I'm being pushed into Many different areas that I have to 413 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,100 excel in. Like, I need to step back from 414 00:20:49,100 --> 00:20:52,800 things and prioritize myself. And so that was a real big 415 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,300 turning point in my life as well. 416 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,500 And it was one of those moments that I realized. 417 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:59,400 I'm like, I'm not a victim here. Like I need to adjust my 418 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,900 lifestyle. I need to, you know, I need to 419 00:21:02,900 --> 00:21:04,300 get rid. I don't need to have a super 420 00:21:04,300 --> 00:21:06,600 fancy car. And so, one of the things I did, 421 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,500 I got rid of my vehicle. I love this car, but I was like, 422 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,000 but it's going to keep me from the life that I want, which is, 423 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,000 I don't want to be here all. All the time. 424 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,100 So is this car worth my happiness? 425 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,700 No, like the car needs to go. We need to go get the twins 426 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,100 head. You know, like we don't need to 427 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:24,800 be in a brand new car. And so these are the little 428 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,400 things that I was doing, but even though in the moment, you 429 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,800 feel like, oh, this is so hard. I had to turn over my vehicle. 430 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,100 It was like, no, but you're being free, Give It Go, like, go 431 00:21:34,100 --> 00:21:36,500 be free. And so those are the things that 432 00:21:36,500 --> 00:21:40,900 you create in your life that has a super small example, but it 433 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,300 really is at overarching theme that I am. 434 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,500 Sizing what I want in general and globally, what I want in my 435 00:21:47,500 --> 00:21:49,000 life. And so you'll make the 436 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,400 sacrifices to make sure you could have those things. 437 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,200 And I think we're all doing it in some sort of way. 438 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,800 It just looks different for all of us. 439 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,500 That's really cool. I tell me about a success. 440 00:21:58,500 --> 00:22:00,800 Tell me about a time. That was just amazing. 441 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,000 That you were like, this is, this is it. 442 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:05,200 This is the moment of you. How you do you have? 443 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,000 I've made it. Or are you know, our is there? 444 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,100 No such another through. Yeah. 445 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:13,000 I think I put like a few since I've launched my business, my 446 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,800 coaching person. I feel like I've had Add a few 447 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,700 like really awesome moments are just going to blow my own mind. 448 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:21,200 First of all, like working with amazing clinicians and helping 449 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,000 them see how Fab they are and helping them get those jobs that 450 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,900 they want to achieve. I'd that is my number one 451 00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:31,800 priority and I love that that lights me up big time. 452 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,100 But also I might what Cass like, you know what? 453 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:37,500 It's like, what casting is. Like it's a lot of fun, but it's 454 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,300 also a lot of time I did a lot of resources goes into it. 455 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,800 So this week actually is a one year anniversary since Launch my 456 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,200 podcast. And yeah, I think we had like 457 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:52,000 strippers. I'm celebrating that and Jen, I 458 00:22:52,008 --> 00:22:55,700 celebrating it being listened across the world and I all the 459 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:58,800 amazing listeners and followers listening to Little Liam from 460 00:22:59,100 --> 00:23:00,900 Jedi from the small town Scotland. 461 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:05,000 It just blows my mind that I've been able to achieve that and it 462 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,100 just goes to show a right to know whatever you think you 463 00:23:08,100 --> 00:23:09,900 create. Like if you want to achieve 464 00:23:09,900 --> 00:23:13,000 something you can you just have to get to work and do it and 465 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,800 make it happen for yourself. Self. 466 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,000 And finally, last year, I was invited onto National radio here 467 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,100 in Australia and I was on ABC radio, which is like a national 468 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,800 radio station. It was at 11:00 at night. 469 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,100 But but that's, that's all right. 470 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:29,600 There was still, a million listeners. 471 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,300 There was a million people listening. 472 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:37,900 I to me talking live, and I was so scared, but and I had so many 473 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:39,800 internal stories. I was like, oh my God, you can't 474 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,900 do this. Like, who are you? 475 00:23:40,900 --> 00:23:44,000 All of the things came up? And I just was like, hell to the 476 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,400 no. Thank you very much. 477 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,600 I'm going to go for this and give it a hug to the 10% and it 478 00:23:49,608 --> 00:23:51,900 was such fun. Like I just really enjoyed the 479 00:23:51,900 --> 00:23:54,900 experience. So to oh my God. 480 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,300 Yes, so I have a couple things to say but we just had first 481 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:02,000 being shout out to my listeners in Australia because you are so 482 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,100 right. I actually see you're like where 483 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:06,900 people are located. I actually pulled it up so I 484 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:09,000 could describe it. Let me see. 485 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:16,400 I've got listeners in Victoria South South Australia and 486 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,800 Queensland, there's a like things that come up and I shout 487 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,600 out to y'all. I know you guys are listening. 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,600 Thank you for listening. But it is incredible. 489 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Like you said to see that people all over the world are hearing 490 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,900 what we are saying and it's just like what I would have. 491 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:32,300 Never thought this, you know, seven months ago. 492 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,500 When I started my podcast that I was going to have people from 493 00:24:35,500 --> 00:24:37,200 all over the world listening, so you are right. 494 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,800 It blows my mind every single time. 495 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,600 I see it and I'm totally with you. 496 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,800 And then you said, having a The in people listening to you and 497 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,500 fighting imposter syndrome and being like I'm not worthy but 498 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,200 you are. Liam like you've got years and 499 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,100 years of experience, you are hoping nurses. 500 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,800 And so I'm just here to pump you up and say you are absolutely 501 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,100 every bit capable of exactly what you were doing. 502 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:06,700 And so many more nurses. I think need to see themselves 503 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:11,100 as capable and able to share whatever wisdom and knowledge 504 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:14,200 that they have accrued. Everyone can be the guide. 505 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:17,100 Everyone can guide someone else because there's somebody behind 506 00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:19,900 you that could really benefit from whatever it is that you 507 00:25:19,900 --> 00:25:21,900 have inside of you. So share it. 508 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,600 Don't be afraid. Don't think that you don't have 509 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,600 anything to offer because just like Liam. 510 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,600 And I we just decided one day, we were going to sit down and 511 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,200 have conversations with people and let them and let us guide 512 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000 others. You can do the same. 513 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,200 It doesn't have to be a podcast. We don't all have to be 514 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,800 podcasters, but it can look like something for you. 515 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,100 That looks Front and that will be beautiful as well. 516 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,500 So yeah, well, that'll goods. And I love that you keep coming 517 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:54,700 back to be the guides because that speaks so loudly to me. 518 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:00,200 And in particular, for people that are listening a good lesson 519 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,600 is you only have to be one step ahead of someone that you want 520 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,800 to help the biggest thing that people struggle with, as they 521 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,900 think they need to know everything, if they need to 522 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,800 know, all of the things and they need to know the how I'm but you 523 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,200 to learn the hair until you've achieved. 524 00:26:14,300 --> 00:26:17,600 Eve the call, so it's super important to just sit with that. 525 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,400 Go with that. I'm just be that step ahead and 526 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,700 start serving people if that's what you want to do. 527 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,100 Exactly. And I think it's really 528 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:28,800 interesting to I read this quote somewhere that said, Oprah got 529 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,700 very, very famous and very very rich from asking questions. 530 00:26:33,300 --> 00:26:36,700 She didn't come on to the Oprah Winfrey Show and say, let me 531 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:40,900 show you how I do this know what she did was she just asked 532 00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,500 questions. She just set up a stage in a 533 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:47,800 platform. For people to ask questions, and 534 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,900 explain themselves, and this became her beautiful career. 535 00:26:52,100 --> 00:26:55,400 You don't have to know it all, she didn't know at all, but she 536 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,300 just asked the perfect questions. 537 00:26:57,500 --> 00:27:00,700 And so I just thought that was, like, really like inspirational, 538 00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,000 like snaps what I read that I was like, okay. 539 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,300 That's the right question, doesn't even do it. 540 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:07,000 You don't have to know what? All right. 541 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,400 So anyway, I thought absolutely nothing. 542 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,300 So I'm curious folks, beautifully said, Said, so any 543 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,500 Mentor is Liam. Did anybody come along the way 544 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,500 and really help you in your career? 545 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:21,900 That's a great question. I think, obviously there have 546 00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:24,600 been mentors along the way, but a big reason why I set up my 547 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,900 performance nursing was because of the lack of mentors and 548 00:27:27,900 --> 00:27:32,400 coaches, unfortunately, and once I discovered the power of 549 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,800 coaching, I thought. Wow, like this is the fix. 550 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,900 This is the cure to all of our kids problems. 551 00:27:38,900 --> 00:27:40,900 Like we start coaching each other with start being nice to 552 00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:43,800 each other. We will see, generic people rise 553 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,600 and All of the rest of it and I did come across a leadership 554 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,400 coach at work in my last national manager role and that 555 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,400 was awesome. Having exposure to at leadership 556 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000 can have executive coach and that really opened my eyes. 557 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,100 And I remember sitting in one of the sessions and I just thought 558 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:04,600 to myself, this is what my need to be doing. 559 00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:07,800 This is my path. It just spoke to me. 560 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,800 And it's so funny, because I often feel guilt for not really 561 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,100 wanting to be in the clinical Arena anymore. 562 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,900 Or I'd in wanting to be like the coach for the clinicians, but, 563 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,900 you know, I just, I just felt so strongly pulled to that 564 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,900 leadership coach in that moment. And when I left the room, a few, 565 00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:28,200 my colleagues were like Liam, I can see you doing that in the 566 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,400 future. Like, that's right up your 567 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,900 street and I thought, Yep. This is my moment. 568 00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:35,000 This what I need to do, so that was super powerful for me. 569 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,100 I don't think I've necessarily had that many amazing amount of 570 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:41,600 unfortunately, but I hope to provide that for clinicians here 571 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,100 in Australia and globally moving. 572 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,300 Because we all need a coach Bill Gates has got a coach. 573 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:51,300 Like why won't you have a coach exactly my last guest. 574 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,900 I just published. She said, Tom Tiger Woods has a 575 00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,300 coach. Why wouldn't I? 576 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,900 And so that's a mentality that these people that are high 577 00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:59,300 performing. They have coaches. 578 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,700 They have people that are speaking into their lives and 579 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:03,700 helping them see things. Again. 580 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,600 They are a couple steps ahead of them. 581 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,000 I mean, these people are incredibly successful, like, who 582 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,900 is have been more successful than Bill Gates, but yet they 583 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:14,000 still need someone to help them help. 584 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400 Guide them through their lives. So yeah, that's really good. 585 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,400 And the last question of our podcast is, if so, you got it. 586 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,900 We've got a new nurse. She starting off in her career, 587 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:25,700 and she doesn't know where to get started. 588 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:30,100 Where what she wants to do. What is one piece of advice that 589 00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:33,300 you wish you would have heard when you were first starting off 590 00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,500 and one what is one piece of advice? 591 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:39,100 You would recommend her toss aside piece to hold onto 592 00:29:39,700 --> 00:29:44,000 something to toss aside. Okay, he's to hold onto would be 593 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:49,600 Get curious and Sample, just explore just just try 594 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,400 everything. Don't get yourself stuck 595 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,700 somewhere. Just keep trying, keep moving, 596 00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,100 keep testing the waters and really find what it is that 597 00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:00,800 works for you be that clinical and non-clinical the thing that 598 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,800 you should toss is definitely following a traditional nursing 599 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,500 career path. I think that there are just so 600 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:09,500 many amazing opportunities out there. 601 00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:12,200 You do not need to follow that old. 602 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,900 Jenna saying of like you need to do your five years before you 603 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:18,200 get X and general before you become a manager. 604 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,600 You need to do 10 and slog. You got some when you get to 605 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,400 manage me. You're gonna hit your life like 606 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,800 no through the iTunes got help. I don't do it. 607 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,100 It's terrible. Yeah. 608 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,900 So yeah, toss that out the window and just do you create 609 00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,000 your own path. Yes. 610 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,600 I love that. I love that just again because 611 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:41,700 One of the things that I discussed, I actually had on my 612 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,800 podcast. She is a councilwoman for a city 613 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,100 in California and the nurse and I wanted to talk to her because 614 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,900 she got involved in politics. I reached out to her on LinkedIn 615 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,300 and I was able to have this wonderful conversation with her 616 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:57,500 and basically, she describes a similar thing that as she's kind 617 00:30:57,500 --> 00:31:00,900 of paved her this way, merging politics in nursing. 618 00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,500 She's realized that she's making it easier for the person behind 619 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:07,100 her. And so she's describes climbing 620 00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:10,500 a mountain like Mount Everest. And That there were other people 621 00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,800 that have climbed these mountains and that they would 622 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,800 leave things along the path to make it easier. 623 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,200 For the person who was coming behind him, who was climbing 624 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,300 Mount Everest to get up to the summit. 625 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,700 I thought that was so inspirational because I was 626 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,600 like, oh, I could just see her like climbing this mountain, 627 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,600 like getting to, like she was the mayor of the city for a 628 00:31:29,608 --> 00:31:31,700 period of time. She was working as a 629 00:31:31,708 --> 00:31:35,200 councilwoman and like she was all by herself up there, 630 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,900 climbing this mountain, and now that she's telling her story. 631 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:40,900 And she's describing how she got there. 632 00:31:41,100 --> 00:31:43,000 Nurses, that are behind. Her can go. 633 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,200 Like I could do that too. And she left little morsels and 634 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,300 little things along the way that helped other nurses get there 635 00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:51,900 even easier. I just thought it was super 636 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:56,200 beautiful and just that's really unique thing that she gets to 637 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,000 do. But if all of us do the same 638 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,900 thing, if all of us choose the same path, then we don't have 639 00:32:03,900 --> 00:32:07,100 people that are climbing Everest, that are choosing hard 640 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:10,200 paths by themselves. And then reaching back and 641 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,800 helping others, get to those same positions. 642 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:17,200 And I think the more nurses that we have an incredible positions, 643 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,300 the more doors that opens for all of us. 644 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,800 If we all do the same thing. We open the same doors. 645 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,500 Then we're only going to have those options like go off. 646 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:29,300 Do the thing that nobody else is doing and create something that 647 00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:32,200 maybe somebody else behind you could make even better, or 648 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,200 improve or yeah, it could be their escape. 649 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,600 So it's actually gonna be the example, for sure. 650 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,200 I All right. I thought that was really cool. 651 00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:44,100 All right. So Leon the last part of the 652 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:47,000 interview is the rapid fire questions, questions questions. 653 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,300 I don't know. I don't know what I'm gonna do. 654 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:59,800 It's so what is your favorite animal? 655 00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:07,100 I'm going to say Roberts. Have pet rabbits, my favorite, 656 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:14,000 but I like on my bike. Okay, the last thing you watched 657 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,300 on Netflix and which church The Witcher how it is? 658 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:19,800 Yeah. Okay check that. 659 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,800 I think I've seen it. I've been re Cavill thing. 660 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,600 Yeah, I was just gonna say whatever you told me. 661 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,900 You're from Scotland. I legitimately have I watched 662 00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,000 Outlander. And so I know like, I know 663 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800 Scotland and I don't, I don't, I don't know anything, but I just 664 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,000 feel like I do because I love that show. 665 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:40,300 I am okay. And then, what is Why not food 666 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:41,800 that? You would gladly get out of your 667 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,700 life? Oh my goodness. 668 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,200 I'm very good at the summarize. It's a funny thing is, I've 669 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,100 literally just changed from being vegetarian to go back to 670 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,700 eating meat. So I would have said meet last 671 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,200 tweet. What's one thing I would get out 672 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,000 of my life, maybe Pastor, because I eat too much of it and 673 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,500 it's not. Okay. 674 00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:04,100 Okay. There you go, monster. 675 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600 All right, we can't where can my guests? 676 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,400 Find you? Where can they say? 677 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,000 They're like, oh, I'm in Australia. 678 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,199 And, you know, I've been listening to Sandra and This is 679 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,400 really cool. I would like to reach out to 680 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,199 Liam and he and see if he can help me. 681 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,300 Where can they find you cheer with my guest? 682 00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,199 Yeah, looking looking looking awesome. 683 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,400 I'd love to chat. I am at Liam cars world.com and 684 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,400 I'm also on every social media platform like we all are but 685 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000 I'll just give you insta. I'm at high-performance nursing 686 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,400 this. Yep. 687 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,500 So just search that and you'll find me down there on Insta. 688 00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:38,000 Perfect. Perfect. 689 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Anything else you'd like to share with my listeners Before I 690 00:34:40,007 --> 00:34:42,800 Let You Go, No, just thank you so much. 691 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,900 Like I love you. Yeah, it's so inspiring. 692 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:46,699 And I'm just so glad that we connected. 693 00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:50,100 So I'm home forward to having you on my podcast very shortly. 694 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,900 I would be honored, guys. Thank you for listening and 695 00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:55,600 don't forget to enjoy the journey. 696 00:34:56,699 --> 00:34:58,600 We are at the end of our time together. 697 00:34:58,700 --> 00:35:02,000 I really enjoyed the chat, please be sure to subscribe to 698 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,100 the show. So you don't miss an episode and 699 00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:05,900 leave us a review. If you like the show. 700 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,200 I would love to get 5 stars. The doctors podcast is on 701 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200 Instagram. So please follow us there for 702 00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:15,100 The updates on new podcast and inspirational information to 703 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:17,900 help you on your own Journey. 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