1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:03,400 Hi there. My name is dr. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Presenta, and I'm the host of the doctor nurse podcast. 3 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,000 I'm an advanced nurse practitioner and I want to be 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,700 your guide into the world of nursing professions. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,500 This podcast is a platform for nurses to share their Journeys 6 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:18,700 as they made their way in the diverse field of nursing as 7 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:22,800 either entrepreneurs, Academia private, practice or even the 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,700 corporate world. I think we should celebrate just 9 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,800 how diverse the field of nursing is through mentoring one. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Another, with the stories of our career. 11 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:34,100 Our Journeys, nothing is too mundane because each journey is 12 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:36,700 unique. This podcast will showcase 13 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:39,900 career options to encourage nurses to view their degrees 14 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:43,000 with a business mindset. After all we work in the 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 healthcare business and ultimately I hope I might 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,500 inspire you to make a change. If you're looking for something 17 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,000 different, I am motivated to see you live, your best, nursing 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,500 life and that looks different for everyone. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Thanks for joining me on today's podcast. 20 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,800 And let's get started with today's guests. 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,800 Hi guys. Welcome to the doctor nurse 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,800 podcast. I'm so excited today to have on 23 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,800 my show the amazing Katie Harris. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,400 She is a PhD MBA RN and I also believe you are an AR and P. 25 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,200 You are the owner of a business called nurse preneur. 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,000 'S, she is a business Mentor, a nurse business, mentor and 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,800 online, educator, and an author hailing from Philadelphia 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,800 Pennsylvania. After spending years of of time 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,900 and money on coaching to get her job and her nursing expertise up 30 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:40,600 to a level that she felt like she could mark it, it, she 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,800 decided after the birth of her son to start teaching other 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,300 nurses, how to create businesses for themselves by leveraging, 33 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:53,900 what her failures were. But also what her successes were 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,600 so that other nurses could get to the things that they wanted 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,100 out of their careers faster. Katie, thank you for coming on 36 00:02:01,100 --> 00:02:01,800 today. Thank you. 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,200 Chatting, let's Dive Right In. Thanks for having me. 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Alright, so the first question for today is tell me exactly 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,300 what it is. You do, what's your job title 40 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:17,100 these days? I call myself owner and CEO of 41 00:02:17,100 --> 00:02:19,300 nurse printers. And she basically, that's the 42 00:02:19,300 --> 00:02:25,700 business I started back in 2016. And so, I mean, my job right now 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,100 for year for several years, I was a solopreneur. 44 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:32,200 So, my job is everything that had to be done in The last 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,100 couple of years, we've started to hire on a team and I still 46 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:37,400 find myself doing a little bit of everything. 47 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,300 Much to my team's dismay like that. 48 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:42,100 Go do something else, leave us alone. 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,900 I still wear a lot of hats and I wear a lot of the top management 50 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,700 type hats in the business. As we grow. 51 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:53,400 My role is to kind of just have the vision for nurse printers. 52 00:02:53,900 --> 00:02:57,800 Make sure that we're on track and doing what it is that we 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,800 want to do for nurses, which is to empower them and help them 54 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,100 Inspire them. To take the next step in their 55 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:07,000 careers or start a business, if that's what they want to do. 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,300 So interesting. Katie, how did you get to this 57 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:13,100 specific spot in your career? Kind of take me through your 58 00:03:13,100 --> 00:03:16,800 journey from the moment, you decided to be a nurse to the 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,300 moment that you said, I'm going to go teach nurses how to build 60 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:22,800 businesses. Take me through that process. 61 00:03:23,100 --> 00:03:25,800 Another lot of people ever ask me about why I wanted to be a 62 00:03:25,808 --> 00:03:29,200 nurse and that it's kind of like off the topic but I'll just tell 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,400 you briefly I had a dream and I woke up and I said, I'm going to 64 00:03:33,408 --> 00:03:37,400 be a nurse and my mom was like, that's ridiculous. 65 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,600 They did not want me to be a nurse but my dad wanted me to be 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,400 an Actuarial scientist and I didn't even know what that was 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,500 until a couple of years ago. Come to find out. 68 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:47,200 It's at the statisticians. Like banging out, numbers all 69 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,100 the time. Like that would have been the 70 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,200 worst career ever. But all he wanted was to make 71 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,100 sure that I had lots of money. So I'd be secure and that kind 72 00:03:53,100 --> 00:03:54,900 of stuff. And they didn't see dollar signs 73 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:58,000 in the nursing career, but I was persistent and nothing would 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,400 derail me from this plan. So, I went into nursing and I 75 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,300 loved it. The first couple of years, it 76 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:06,500 was a lot of fun. I mean, I grew up in nursing in 77 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:10,300 the late 90s, early 2000s and back, then we had a lot of 78 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:13,400 freedom and this is something that I really understand about 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,600 myself. At this point is that I enjoy 80 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,200 freedom and the ability to do what I want. 81 00:04:18,300 --> 00:04:21,100 And back then, like we would write verbal orders for 82 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:22,700 everything. Like when the patient came in, I 83 00:04:22,707 --> 00:04:24,900 wrote all the orders verbally, of course. 84 00:04:24,900 --> 00:04:26,900 So it was legal and enjoying the course of the hospital. 85 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:29,900 Stay, I wrote all the orders with River below orders, and 86 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:31,700 then I did all the discharge Iran. 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,100 And it with the attendings, that's just what we did. 88 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:36,300 And then they started to crack down on that in the hospital. 89 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:39,300 And said, you can't have a verbal order, the whole stay of 90 00:04:39,300 --> 00:04:44,500 the patient's right or wrong but it put a constraint on me so I 91 00:04:44,500 --> 00:04:47,600 ended up going back for my nurse practitioner degree and I'd work 92 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,800 for neurosurgery all these years. 93 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,100 So when I finished the nurse practitioner degree I was doing 94 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:54,700 legally, what? You know, I seem to be doing 95 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,100 previous to that. I really love that position as 96 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:01,900 well. And I work with the, the A 97 00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:03,900 surgeon's. I grew up with the neurosurgeons 98 00:05:03,900 --> 00:05:06,800 from like in turn to PD. Y, 2 3. 99 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,200 All the way through six or seven whatever they go to. 100 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,500 Yeah you know one or two I didn't want to be a doctor but I 101 00:05:13,500 --> 00:05:17,000 wanted them to respect me by pulling my weight. 102 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,300 So I thought I had to work as hard and as often as they did I 103 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:23,800 would show up at 5:00 in the morning to get my rounds done 104 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,100 and have the entire unit in place by like 8:00 a.m. and then 105 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:31,000 I'll just write. But then I would stay until like 106 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,600 6:00 or 1:00 signing out with them as well. 107 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,900 So I put in all these hours but over the years, it starts to 108 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:40,300 wane on you and that the residents start moving on and 109 00:05:40,300 --> 00:05:42,300 you're kind of still in the same spot. 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,100 It got to one point five or six years into it that the pgy to 111 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:49,900 that I learned with. We went up the ladder together 112 00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:52,500 but then he graduate it became the director of some 113 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:57,500 cerebrovascular stroke center and I had to go back to signing 114 00:05:57,500 --> 00:06:00,800 in and out with the intern and I'm like you constantly having 115 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,000 to prove yourself because Constantly interrupt just like 116 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:08,300 wait, what just happened here? He got to his dad's, he put his 117 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:12,600 eighty hundred hours a week in and he Advanced and I put 80 to 118 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,900 100 hours in and somehow I got demoted. 119 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:18,300 So that, yeah, it's like Groundhog Day for your career. 120 00:06:18,300 --> 00:06:21,200 Yeah, you notice that, right? That's what I noticed is as well 121 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,800 working in surgery and I again like your background is so cool 122 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,800 because I connected with that and I said, she's right. 123 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:30,500 I work with urologist and I've watched them go from there p gy 124 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:33,200 2 and now Their Chiefs, and they walk in. 125 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,800 And I'm like, I remember when you could it do Sisto like, and 126 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,000 now their Chiefs and now they leave and they go and make these 127 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,300 incredible salaries and have these incredible careers in 128 00:06:42,300 --> 00:06:45,400 these positions of leadership. And yet you still kind of stay 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,400 in that same spot. I totally a connect with you on 130 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,700 that because it's, it is something that I think, I don't 131 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:55,100 know how we remedy it, but I don't necessarily think it's 132 00:06:55,100 --> 00:06:58,700 where nurses need to spend at least for me I looked and 133 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:03,300 thought this is not a good use of My time overall. 134 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Does that make sense? Absolutely not. 135 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,100 It can one better you on that? Because like the role of the 136 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:11,400 nurse practitioner like I had free rein in the beginning. 137 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,000 Like, the residents are just like, oh my gosh, just help me 138 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,500 and I love that. And that was part of the fire 139 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:19,000 under me as like, I controlled that unit. 140 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:20,700 It was mine. I do what I want. 141 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:23,300 I kicked Physicians out of that unit, people were afraid of 142 00:07:23,308 --> 00:07:26,600 being the only type of, then they started bringing in these 143 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,700 neurons intensivist and it's, they started again, it was like 144 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,400 that, whole scenario again where they started, Clamping down, 145 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,800 clamping down, clamping down to the point that my role literally 146 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:40,100 was to collect information and then we would all round as a 147 00:07:40,108 --> 00:07:43,200 team. I felt like my job was to put in 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,800 orders as we walked around and laugh at the positions jokes 149 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:53,500 just to make him feel good. And I'm going this, I hate hate 150 00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:57,500 hate medical scribe is what I was and he actually one of the 151 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,800 attendings yelled at me because I had excavated a patient I've 152 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,300 been there for 20 years. I know when somebody can be 153 00:08:03,300 --> 00:08:06,500 extubated both, aren't they gone down for a procedure came back 154 00:08:06,500 --> 00:08:08,600 an hour later needed to be excavated. 155 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,900 So I activate it and he came in and he was like, purple. 156 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:13,800 Always like, who are you to X2? I'm like, what do you mean? 157 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,300 How am I Dex? I'm the nurse practitioner. 158 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:18,000 That's what I do. I make sure that they are safe 159 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,400 and then they're ready to be extubated. 160 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,400 I activate them. And I was like, I just can't 161 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,600 deal with this anymore. It's too much. 162 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,000 And so, take me from the moment that you decide at your job. 163 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,800 I'm burned out. I am never getting the respect I 164 00:08:30,808 --> 00:08:33,000 deserve. Where did you go from there? 165 00:08:33,500 --> 00:08:38,600 I realized that a long time ago. So around 2008 2009, I had a 166 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:43,100 huge fight with my attending and this is the Pinnacle of my nurse 167 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:45,500 practitioner career where I was running everything with an iron 168 00:08:45,500 --> 00:08:47,200 fist. I got into the fight with this 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,800 neurosurgeon and ironically this guy was that he was a total jerk 170 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:53,300 and it does is it PG show or not? 171 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:57,500 So no, you're good, you're good. But anyway, this is a type of 172 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:01,200 surgeon that would like her. Ask the residents throw phones 173 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:06,100 around the It choked them, just physical abuse, just all kinds 174 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:09,900 of mental abuse, whatever. And so I got into a fight with 175 00:09:09,900 --> 00:09:12,200 them and told him, I was an idiot and he ran off to the 176 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,600 chairman and the chairman they suspended me for like three days 177 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,800 and I was like, my gosh. I was like devastated. 178 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,400 I was devastated. I'm like the unit's going to 179 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,000 fall apart and my imagination. This is the whole unit is 180 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,100 falling apart. I had to go to anger management 181 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:27,800 classes on top of it, which is really funny. 182 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,500 But does anybody that knows, me knows, the by boiling point is 183 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:33,200 like 3,000. Agrees and it's just so hard to 184 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,700 get me mad. Yeah. 185 00:09:35,100 --> 00:09:37,300 But I came back and nobody had even noticed. 186 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:41,500 I was gone and for you what have you been doing the unit fell 187 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:44,000 apart? There was none of that and it 188 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,000 that's when the reality of It kind of crashed down on me. 189 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,100 And it took me awhile, I had to grieve that moment because I 190 00:09:52,100 --> 00:09:55,400 thought it was so much more important than I was and I was 191 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,600 it started to question things like why am I spending 80 hours 192 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,500 here? Why why have I not taken a 193 00:10:00,508 --> 00:10:04,000 vacation in three years? Like all that kind of stuff at 194 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,800 that point from, then on I was looking for an out without 195 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,200 realizing that. A business would be it. 196 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,700 I have one thing to say about what you just said, but you said 197 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,500 you came back and you realize that they didn't miss you and 198 00:10:14,500 --> 00:10:17,300 that you were angry. I don't think that you were 199 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:22,600 angry at probably that person. It's probably been this buildup 200 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,000 of all these little micro issues that then it's like you're 201 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,800 right. You're bowing point was reached 202 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,700 in that one situation, but it had been boiling In four years, 203 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:36,900 that was my thought because I know that feeling, I understand, 204 00:10:36,900 --> 00:10:39,700 I can connect to what you're saying, as you kind of watch the 205 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:42,700 Injustice of things all around you and you're like, okay take 206 00:10:42,700 --> 00:10:45,400 it absorb it, take it, absorb it and then you're just like 207 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:48,500 enough, like I can't do this anymore, unfortunately. 208 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:50,200 So many nurses are at that point. 209 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,800 So many nurses can connect to that because we as nurses we 210 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,800 just absorb. We had we're in a situation we 211 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,000 don't like and we adjust to the situation and eventually you get 212 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,100 to the point we were like square peg round hole. 213 00:11:01,100 --> 00:11:02,200 Thank you for sharing. During that. 214 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,300 So from from that moment that you decided it's time to go into 215 00:11:05,300 --> 00:11:07,300 business. I believe, when I was looking at 216 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:09,500 your journey, you spent some time in Corporate America, 217 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:13,400 working for Walmart, I did and just to kind of piggyback off. 218 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,600 What you just said though that has been my modus, operandi is 219 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,500 all along is just take it, push it down. 220 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:23,600 That worked in my 20s and 30s, it's just not work anymore. 221 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,000 It doesn't. I can't push it down. 222 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,300 It's like and that's been part of my journey in businesses. 223 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:31,000 Just resolving all the stuff that I push down over the last 224 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,700 20 30. Thirty years that I got at the 225 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,400 actually backed at, you know, childhood or whatever that has 226 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,500 been absolute, the journey and we can talk about that a bit, 227 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:40,800 but you. So I was very fortunate, I 228 00:11:40,808 --> 00:11:43,500 guess. So to take you from that point, 229 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:47,800 I knew I had to get out one of my chief residents, that I had 230 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,100 been really good friends with over the years I had just 231 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,000 graduated and he was moving down to Atlantic City, which is just 232 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,600 an hour away. And he was going by himself and 233 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,300 his, he was tasked with having to open an entire server. 234 00:11:59,300 --> 00:12:01,600 Vascular Strokes enter single-handedly. 235 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,700 New grad and I was like that. But that's just the type of 236 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:06,800 environment we work in. And so I was like, well, I'll go 237 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,700 down to Atlantic City with you. So I went down with him and 238 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:12,100 that's where I learned all these other skill sets and I had my 239 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:15,700 freedom again, which was huge. But then I had my son, and I'm a 240 00:12:15,700 --> 00:12:18,500 single mom by choice and my son was sperm donation. 241 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:24,100 So, it was all very planned and so I had my son in 2012. 242 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,400 And again, that's when I realized, I just can't do this 243 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,600 because I was on call 24/7 basically seven days a week. 244 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:33,900 Week with him trying to put this thing together. 245 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,500 I had also graduated with my PhD in 2011 and I thought, well, let 246 00:12:38,500 --> 00:12:42,000 me just get an academic position so that's why did I applied for 247 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,000 it? I've got accepted as an 248 00:12:44,008 --> 00:12:47,400 assistant professor in the nurse practitioner program at that 249 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,800 college and I'm like I'm and I have to quit like I can't do 80 250 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,100 hours a week, I can't do all the newborn. 251 00:12:54,100 --> 00:12:58,800 So I went to academics and in academics oh my gosh I remember 252 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,100 my first day I walked in and now I'm used to like running Around 253 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:05,300 the hospital, like a chicken with its head, cut off come into 254 00:13:05,300 --> 00:13:09,100 the the academic setting, I sit down, and I'm staring around. 255 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,400 And I'm like, what in the world am I supposed to do? 256 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:17,600 If I am like, one meeting on my calendar for the whole week, I'm 257 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,800 like, who are they actually pay me for this? 258 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,700 Like, I don't have a joke, a joke that was actually very 259 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:26,500 productive that year because I really didn't have all that much 260 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,300 to do. I wrote a lot of Articles. 261 00:13:28,300 --> 00:13:31,600 So I started investigating all kinds of different stuff that I 262 00:13:31,700 --> 00:13:33,200 Do. That's where the basis of my 263 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,500 business came from out of pure boredom in that. 264 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:38,300 Wow, what was your research? If you don't mind, if you can 265 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:41,200 just like sum it up. I really enjoy elements of 266 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,800 research. It's a lot of work to do 267 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,400 research. People need more respect for 268 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,400 that works. Well, I'm very proud that bass I 269 00:13:46,408 --> 00:13:49,300 went into like, I was very interested in nurse practitioner 270 00:13:49,300 --> 00:13:53,600 fellowships and my I had written literally the book for 271 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 neurosurgery for new nurse practitioners because we would 272 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,800 bring people in and they'd be gone three months later because 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,500 there was no, everything was implicit all the knowledge. 274 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:05,900 Implicit took it upon myself to write the manual, which is funny 275 00:14:05,900 --> 00:14:09,300 because the intern one day was like, well we don't do stuff 276 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:11,200 like that around here. I'm like, look jerk. 277 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,800 I wrote The Manual of what we do. 278 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,500 I wanted to expand that to create a nurse practitioner 279 00:14:15,500 --> 00:14:17,700 fellowship program for nurse practitioners. 280 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:20,700 Obviously in neurosurgery or neurocritical care because it's 281 00:14:20,700 --> 00:14:25,700 such a nice wedding clothes and I felt like we could better 282 00:14:25,700 --> 00:14:29,400 onboard them through some sort of like, step by step process 283 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,200 and that was your research. So that was the project that I 284 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,600 spent the most time on built it out. 285 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,800 Got neurosurgery was all on board with it until it came time 286 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,900 to pay for it. Then they're like, well we can't 287 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:42,700 you know, we're going to get the money for that and like but 288 00:14:42,700 --> 00:14:46,700 anyway, they actually took the whole project from these which 289 00:14:46,700 --> 00:14:49,300 was another one of my last straws and I like, okay we'll 290 00:14:49,300 --> 00:14:51,500 take this now and I'm like, wait a minute. 291 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:54,000 I had the whole project basically stolen from me, it 292 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,200 really just was another one of those. 293 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,300 How many times are you gonna make this mistake? 294 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,900 But about that time Walmart. A starting their nurse 295 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:07,800 practitioner clinics down south and they needed a senior manager 296 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,000 to recruit nurse practitioners into the clinics. 297 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,300 A friend of mine was friends with the recruiter who was 298 00:15:14,300 --> 00:15:16,400 looking for the nurse practitioner to do it. 299 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,800 And she said, well Katie's the, the director of acute care nurse 300 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,400 practitioner program, maybe she can help you. 301 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,300 So they called me and they're like, did anybody that would 302 00:15:23,300 --> 00:15:26,100 want this position? And I was like me. 303 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,500 Yeah, it dropped in my My lap did that for a couple of years 304 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:35,700 and and it was fine, it was interesting. 305 00:15:35,700 --> 00:15:38,100 But and that's where I met a whole bunch of nurses that were 306 00:15:38,100 --> 00:15:41,400 doing amazing things all over the world that inspired the 307 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,500 podcast but they let us all go like a couple of years into it 308 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,700 and I thought well, now what? But I mean, when's the next time 309 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:52,500 something is going to fall on my lap way. 310 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:56,100 So Walmart, just let you guys all go to just laid you off. 311 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,400 That's all I guess. That's how they do it in 312 00:15:57,408 --> 00:15:59,400 corporate. We would have it seem like every 313 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,500 month or every couple months, we'd have a big meeting. 314 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:04,200 And they'd say, oh, we just let the chief nurse practitioner 315 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,700 officer go and I'm like, well, that's not good. 316 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,200 Wow. So, what was their reason, but 317 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,900 they just shutting down the program or just felt like it. 318 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:14,400 No. They'd so they were, they had 319 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,700 these big plans to expand. So they had 18 clinics, and I 320 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:21,900 started already and our job was to staff them and make sure they 321 00:16:21,900 --> 00:16:24,400 stayed staff, which we did a very good job of, but there was. 322 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,600 So it was so top heavy with senior managers and all these 323 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,500 people. I mean it was a massive, massive 324 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:33,100 project and they had Zero dollars from marketing, which 325 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,300 blows my mind. So they were dependent on walk 326 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,300 through traffic coming through. And they weren't getting walk 327 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:41,400 through traffic so they never had the money to, like, do more 328 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,700 stores. So then I guess they had the 329 00:16:43,700 --> 00:16:45,600 brilliant of idea of. Why don't you just make the 330 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,500 market directors, find their own nurse practitioners, which seems 331 00:16:48,500 --> 00:16:50,300 like. And that's did that to this day. 332 00:16:50,300 --> 00:16:54,000 As far as I know, they're still only 18 clinics down there huh? 333 00:16:54,100 --> 00:16:56,200 They didn't really get an expanded very much. 334 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:59,500 No, no 2013. So it was a long time ago. 335 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:02,400 It's about 10. Yeah, when did You in this whole 336 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,200 process from your PhD. When did you obtain your MBA? 337 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:10,000 Oh, I did that. Long long time ago, 2000 started 338 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:18,500 in 1999 by finished in 2002. He became a nurse in 96. 96 and 339 00:17:18,500 --> 00:17:22,599 then you went directly into the MBA, I did my head, I wanted to 340 00:17:22,599 --> 00:17:25,900 be, I like the nurse practitioner idea and I first 341 00:17:25,900 --> 00:17:29,200 graduated I moved down the South Texas, and I was down there for 342 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,800 a couple of years and I was working in Houston and That's 343 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,800 when I was exposed to Pai, no idea what the physician's 344 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,300 assistant was, but they did all the VIN tricks. 345 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:39,800 I did all the lines in the ICU and I was like wow that's 346 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,600 interesting. So I looked into the nurse 347 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,900 practitioner role but I didn't like the curriculum for some I 348 00:17:44,908 --> 00:17:47,700 don't know that am always thinking I'm like well let me do 349 00:17:47,700 --> 00:17:51,700 my MBA and fulfill my dad's dreams or some wonky thing like 350 00:17:51,700 --> 00:17:54,900 that I'm tend to be delusional sometimes but I'm like well I 351 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,800 have this amazing career in corp, the corporate world and 352 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,400 blah blah blah and now but ham I graduate It, I was already 353 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,700 making like fifty fifty five dollars an hour as a nurse. 354 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,900 I was an agency nurse working in a neuro unit, and I've been 355 00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:12,700 there for so long that I actually oriented the new staff 356 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:14,600 I came in because I couldn't keep any staff. 357 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,100 But I got to name my own days Mayan times. 358 00:18:17,100 --> 00:18:19,700 I would take three months off at a time and travel. 359 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:20,800 So it was great. I loved it. 360 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,000 So it was like no real incentive to go into the corporate world 361 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,800 when you were having such success at being a nurse because 362 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,500 I'd have to start over at square one and I would. 363 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:32,800 Yeah. I was making as a nurse. 364 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,000 Yeah. Granted, it's an investment I 365 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,100 suppose, but I wasn't willing to do it. 366 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,600 So you just tuck that away. And then that just opened up 367 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,600 other doors. As you picked up the Masters, 368 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,500 you've to post Masters as well. You have a Past Masters and the 369 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:48,800 cute. Yeah, yeah, so I'm all three. 370 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,700 Yep. And then the PHD on top of it. 371 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:55,900 Also incredible journey from that point at Walmart. 372 00:18:55,900 --> 00:18:57,900 Take me through till you got your own business. 373 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:01,300 How did you get there? So, part of my role at Walmart 374 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,500 like, Said was to recruit a nurse practitioner. 375 00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:08,700 So I went to the head of a A&P and I actually ended up in it's 376 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:11,700 called the global nurses, leaders Institute and it was 377 00:19:11,700 --> 00:19:14,900 held out of Geneva Switzerland. So I went there and met Moses 378 00:19:14,900 --> 00:19:18,400 from all over the world and they were amazing. 379 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,100 And I just want that it's great. They took people from Africa and 380 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:25,100 Australia and New Zealand and China and nurses and they 381 00:19:25,100 --> 00:19:27,700 brought us all to and that's where I met Diana. 382 00:19:27,700 --> 00:19:31,700 Mason and Diana. Mason does talk radio and And 383 00:19:31,700 --> 00:19:33,800 all these things and I'm like, I didn't know, you could just 384 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,400 become a talk radio host. Like it says these things, it 385 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,600 was like, I was living in a bubble and yes, the bubble 386 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,000 popped as I started hearing other people's stories and I 387 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,400 thought, well, why can't I do these things? 388 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,800 We went to The Who and at the who there's a nurse there, who 389 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,700 is a nurse consultant. I'm like, why don't I have that 390 00:19:52,700 --> 00:19:53,500 real? That's really cool. 391 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:58,600 I want to live in for me Geneva. I started asking all these 392 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,600 questions and when I came back from This experience I was just 393 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,300 blown away and that I just wanted to find more nurses that 394 00:20:07,300 --> 00:20:10,500 were doing stuff like this because my conception of what I 395 00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:13,200 could do as a nurse a nurse practitioner was completely 396 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,300 limited to the hospital. And now it was like anything is 397 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,900 possible and that just kind of opened the ideas of and then how 398 00:20:21,900 --> 00:20:24,500 did you get your first client? What was the day that you 399 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,700 decided to set up shop for nurse Pandora's and just take it by 400 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:32,500 storm? I had decided to put together a 401 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:34,800 business course, I'd put together a couple businesses 402 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,500 before. That one was called Coordinated 403 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:38,800 Care, and I was doing Transitional Care for stroke 404 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,600 patients, which evolved into concierge nursing, and I did 405 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,700 that with a partner and we had, we took care of plastic surgery 406 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:49,200 patients after the operating room, and then I was helping 407 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,700 other students. I would host not parties, but 408 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:54,600 kind of masterminds at my health and talk to nurses that were 409 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,900 doing stuff. And one nurse was doing IV 410 00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,700 hydration, another nurse was doing NCLEX reviews. 411 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,500 The nurse was doing Medicare navigation and all these 412 00:21:02,500 --> 00:21:05,100 different ideas and so we were talked about them and stuff and 413 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,700 I would help them and kept coming back to me. 414 00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:10,900 You should help nurses to do this, put the the step-by-step 415 00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:13,500 business together. That was kind of the formation 416 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,600 of it. But I really dragged my feet 417 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,400 with this and I'm like, okay well I need to learn more. 418 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,000 It's always a specific because of death. 419 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,600 I got to learn like so much, so I spent all 2016 learning as 420 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,900 much as I could putting a decided to put together a 421 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:30,500 webinar. Let's funnel. 422 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,700 And I spent a good six months. Putting that stupid webinar 423 00:21:33,700 --> 00:21:36,600 together and procrastinate and procrastinate it. 424 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Finally decided that I couldn't tweak it anymore and I launched 425 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,500 it in January of 2017. And by this point, I had put in, 426 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:49,900 like, I would say 30 or 40 thousand dollars into how 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,200 education in this level. And I, I got for sales. 428 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,400 Once I did that webinar, I had like, 300 people signed up for 429 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,500 it and then I got for sale. So I was, I was Devastated. 430 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:04,300 I was like, well, horrible. It was a 597 program. 431 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:09,100 So I spent forty thousand dollars to make 2000, but when I 432 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:13,600 went to my coach, it was like, if you look at these numbers, 433 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,700 you're statistically on par, you're where you need to be. 434 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:21,000 I know you're devastated because you only had four sales, but you 435 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,200 had four sales that's for people that trusted in you and you have 436 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,700 to stop and you have to like make sure they do well and just 437 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:33,200 Build up other people's confidence that you can help 438 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,200 them and the way to do that is through testimony. 439 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,800 And that's what you've done. I mean, so many of your students 440 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,300 I've spoken with that, I've had the pleasure of seeing how 441 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:44,200 you've helped them in their businesses are generating 442 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,700 success are finding that they can Market themselves. 443 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:51,100 They can close those gaps and find people that want to trust 444 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:53,600 them. And and just recently, I had 445 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Eric mayor on the Psychedelic plant nurse and and he said the 446 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,400 day that somebody signed up for one his courses and he realized 447 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,700 that he could teach and that he could have work outside of the 448 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:07,200 man. It was such an incredible 449 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,400 experience for him and you are doing that for people. 450 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,700 It is it is something that you are successful at and so it is 451 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:15,200 incredibly inspiring. I really connect to what you 452 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,800 were saying about. When you meet all these 453 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600 incredible nurses, you're just like I want to do that. 454 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,400 I want to do that. Like you do see that whenever 455 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,600 I've been doing this podcast and you meet these nurses that are 456 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,100 doing things that you're just like, I did not know that this 457 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:31,200 world was out there and it really Is limited just to 458 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,200 whatever you can think about in your mind, whatever you open 459 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,300 your mind to that. Nursing degree can take you some 460 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:39,600 place within your imagination. You can take you there. 461 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,500 It's just like this golden ticket that I feel like more 462 00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:43,600 nurses. Need to know that. 463 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,400 You get that. You get that Nursing degree. 464 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,400 And you have a golden ticket to whatever you want to make up and 465 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,100 just go for it as long as the markets there. 466 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:56,900 And the business aspect you really understand throughout 467 00:23:56,900 --> 00:23:59,400 your journey, can you just can you describe to my listeners? 468 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,700 Maybe one of the biggest successes or are times that you 469 00:24:02,708 --> 00:24:05,200 felt like this was a really big win for my career. 470 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:11,300 Honestly, I think that moment as I remembered being devastating, 471 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:13,800 but that was kind of a turning point for me. 472 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,400 I had done a couple more webinars after that and 473 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,000 generated some more income and then I stopped around was 474 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,300 February March, maybe I did three total. 475 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,300 And then I was in this group with Kevin Rogers and Kevin 476 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:29,600 Rogers is a freelance copywriter and he's used to be a stand-up 477 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,200 guy. Comedian. 478 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,200 But he's alert, he's hilarious. But he's so amazing. 479 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,000 So I was in one of his coaching programs and it was about 480 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,700 September. And I said, well, I want to 481 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,700 generate more income. I don't really know how and 482 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,500 stuff and he's like, well what have you done in the past? 483 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:46,100 And I told him about the webinar and he's like, okay let me get 484 00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:48,200 this straight. The only thing that's generated 485 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,900 money is a webinar, so you stop doing it. 486 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:59,800 When you say it out loud and so he's like, well why don't you go 487 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,900 back to webinars and I thought, okay, well I really probably 488 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:05,900 didn't need to pay somebody to give me that advice. 489 00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:08,900 It's all right. And I just needed to hear it. 490 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:13,300 And so I went back to webinars and they continue to generate 491 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:18,700 income for the business and then I took it to the next level in 492 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:22,900 pairing with these nurses that have Their own businesses 493 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:25,200 because that was the one thing that I had this Facebook group 494 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,100 at the same time, that was another thing that came out of 495 00:25:27,100 --> 00:25:29,500 one of my coaching sessions is that you should start a Facebook 496 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:33,000 group, I'm like, okay, but what if nobody shows up and you had 497 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,500 all these kind of childhood, fears of you hosting, a party 498 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:39,300 that nobody comes to sure, but it's pretty quickly. 499 00:25:39,300 --> 00:25:43,300 People joined and it was very interactive and stuff. 500 00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,800 And the people that group kept saying to, somebody knows 501 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,300 somebody that does IV hydration to somebody know that somebody 502 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:50,700 that does lnc. I don't know how to do any of 503 00:25:50,708 --> 00:25:53,400 these things. So, I started looking for nurses 504 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,500 that did that had a successful business that they could teach 505 00:25:58,500 --> 00:26:00,100 and that they could teach the students. 506 00:26:00,100 --> 00:26:03,500 That's where the business really took off was building those 507 00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:05,000 Partnerships. Wow. 508 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:09,100 Building Partnerships with nurses, not not embracing a 509 00:26:09,108 --> 00:26:13,500 scarcity mindset of mine. Mine, no, you can't help me. 510 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,700 But what I find. I've heard on another podcast 511 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:19,200 that you were on was when you finally joined in Partnerships 512 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,700 with nurses, you really became successful. 513 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,800 Oil you really were able to get the ball rolling as far as your 514 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,900 business and the thing that you wanted to create and I thought 515 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:35,400 that was so powerful and such a reminder that we are not in 516 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,100 competition against one another, but there's enough pie for 517 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:43,100 everyone to eat and to be full, we do not need to be panicked 518 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:45,100 that we are in competition with one another. 519 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:49,100 And in fact, if we Unite with one another, we will be a super 520 00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:52,600 powerful force for good. For our patients for Selves tell 521 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,200 me about a challenge that you experience in your career that 522 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,900 you felt like, man, this was something I really had to 523 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,800 overcome my career, I've always or throughout my adult life. 524 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,000 Probably even childhood always would take in and push down and 525 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,000 just deal with it. I would have like these 526 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,900 imaginary conversations with people resolve the issue and 527 00:27:11,900 --> 00:27:15,300 say, okay, I'm going to move on, I'm going to let this go, but it 528 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:19,200 still gets cemented down, all that stuff comes out when you 529 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,700 start a business. So when I first started the 530 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,900 Business. My coach was like why are there 531 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:27,000 no pictures of you on on the website? 532 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,000 And I was like, well I don't do that and she's like, okay well 533 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,800 here's a bunch of nurse website where they all have pictures of 534 00:27:34,808 --> 00:27:37,600 themselves on the website and she's like, people want to get 535 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,700 to know you because my instinct was let me put up this corporate 536 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:45,000 E look like type business so that people think it's 537 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,100 legitimate and professional as opposed to me working out of my 538 00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:51,000 basement. Interesting. 539 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,300 So I To overcome that another obstacle again was. 540 00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,300 I did start out in the fear-based like my mind, my 541 00:28:00,300 --> 00:28:02,000 mind. I would get angry. 542 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,000 If I saw another person that was doing something similar to me 543 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 and then I thought, well, I need to deal with it. 544 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800 Like, what is the problem I quite yet? 545 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,900 Other people have the same business. 546 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,400 Of course, they're going to have the same business. 547 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,400 Like, that's just, that's just life. 548 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,300 Like, there's going to be stuff that's out there. 549 00:28:17,700 --> 00:28:20,400 And even now with my some of my course directors, we've had 550 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:24,300 course, material And repurposed and I was like, well, not to 551 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:28,100 dismiss it like this is a huge problem and we have legal stuff 552 00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:33,700 in place, but it happens and you can't actual cell information 553 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:37,600 information is everywhere that can't be the basis of our 554 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,500 programs. So if somebody does that shame 555 00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,400 on them, Karma will get them eventually 100%. 556 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,200 Yeah, that's what I was going to say. 557 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,600 It's so interesting to even voice it and say it out loud 558 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,400 because you do, you do feel that way. 559 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,100 The feelings are still there. It's the A reminder that I'm 560 00:28:54,100 --> 00:28:56,600 just doing this for me, that, there is something bigger than 561 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,200 me, that's controlling that whole thing, and that will come 562 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,600 back. And so I'm not going to spend 563 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600 energy getting angry about that, or investing myself in that, 564 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,800 because it's like, if that's where they are, like, that's 565 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,100 really sad. But also imitation is the most 566 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:09,800 sincere form of flattery. So thank you. 567 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,900 And I'm going to just keep moving on and not let it bother 568 00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,900 me because like, what I'm doing by, thank you for sharing that 569 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:19,400 and I think it's really true. So and you mentioned One Mentor 570 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,700 earlier, I can't recall her name but you said one Lady was really 571 00:29:22,700 --> 00:29:25,700 big at helping you and I know you've had a ton of coaches and 572 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:27,600 mentors. So, maybe for this question, I'm 573 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,400 going to reword it a little bit and say, what is the difference 574 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,200 between a coach and a mentor from your perspective? 575 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,900 That's a good question. I coach, I see kind of as 576 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:43,000 someone that's helping you to almost like a cheerleader for 577 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,800 you or a feedback mechanism. So, if I talk to my coach 578 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,200 typically, I just tell them what's going on and that they 579 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,400 helped me kind of Work through what's going on. 580 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,900 Whereas a mentor is giving me Specific Instructions. 581 00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:01,000 Like hey if you want to be a multi 7 Level figure business, 582 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,900 this is what you have to. You can need to go out and get 583 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,100 an operations person hire that person and let's get this done 584 00:30:06,100 --> 00:30:07,900 now. So they're giving me more 585 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,400 strategy. Whereas the coaches giving more 586 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,900 support got it, they can certainly crossover and that 587 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:17,200 those lines get blurred but that's how I would differentiate 588 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,100 them. Yeah. 589 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,300 And have you had mentors that you felt like anybody that 590 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,200 really Duck out. That was huge in your life. 591 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,500 I've had tons of coaches and mentors over the years. 592 00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:30,600 Some right now, I'm working with Perry Marshall and I've been 593 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,100 with him for years, love love, love his stuff. 594 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,600 I just really identify with him and ironically, I met him back 595 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,800 in 2017 when there was a, the solar eclipse. 596 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,500 So he was from like, First Nebraska, and he sent this 597 00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:48,500 newsletter out one day. And he said, let's I want to go 598 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,900 see the eclipse because it was going to go through the path of 599 00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:54,300 Nebraska. And we're going to camp out in a 600 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,900 cornfield who wants to plant them and we'll do some marketing 601 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:03,300 and I felt like weirdly compelled and I my son was three 602 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:07,700 or four that I'm yeah poor and I said alright I bought tickets 603 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:10,600 that afternoon and we went to First Nebraska to watch the 604 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,100 solar eclipse and that meeting changed my life in so many ways. 605 00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,500 It was exactly. Is it just the the topics are 606 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,300 just like the whole environment like being in the eclipse and 607 00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:23,300 your son being? Being there and everything. 608 00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:26,500 The environment, the top they didn't talk about anything 609 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,300 marketing. And for years, I was very just 610 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:33,200 kind of like in the u.s. So I don't to say atheist, but I 611 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,100 was always just so like, in different, let's say to that 612 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:41,500 whole aspect and that sent me on a whole nother path of just a 613 00:31:41,500 --> 00:31:45,600 spiritual journey and it has really helped my my business 614 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,500 because we actually didn't really talk anything about 615 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:50,900 marketing. We talked all about kind of like 616 00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:54,500 bigger purpose, Which I never would have gone if I had thought 617 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,900 it was gonna be like, so it's almost kind of anti that stuff 618 00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,000 but it shaded open to up, to that interesting. 619 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,500 I wonder if there's an element of that that actually is kind of 620 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:07,100 in line with business is understanding the spiritual 621 00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,800 aspect of what's going on with you and attracting those things 622 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,500 to you. Even though you're not 623 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,600 necessarily with marketing, it feels very intentional right? 624 00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,000 But with that it feels like a little less you a little less 625 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,200 you and a little more like stepping back and letting things 626 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,500 work outside of you and Thing sometimes, you don't have to 627 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:28,200 strong-arm something, right can just happen naturally and really 628 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,600 does begin to allowing things to come to me. 629 00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,300 And they're really, really big Perry's. 630 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,100 Really big on that is just space in the morning, even if it's 631 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,000 like 20 minutes but up to an hour and it doesn't have to be 632 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,600 meditation but just set and list. 633 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,300 Let the noise go out and let the idea of come in and it has 634 00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:50,200 important. Oh, I agree. 635 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,300 Oh my gosh, that's so cool. Right. 636 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:54,200 What advice would you have for a new nurse? 637 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,400 Starting off on a career? She just got her diploma. 638 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,100 She's sitting out after graduation. 639 00:32:58,100 --> 00:33:00,800 Everyone's kissing her. Congratulations. 640 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,500 And she's internally panicking and wondering, what am I going 641 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,700 to do? What do I wish? 642 00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,400 Some nurse would have told me. She would have known looking 643 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200 back on herself. I love this space. 644 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,200 The entrepreneurial space. I know it's not for everybody, 645 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,600 but it's something to explore. And that's one of the things 646 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,100 that I want nurse propose to do is to offer kind of a different 647 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:23,300 specialty. For nurses to go into kind of 648 00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,800 like, oh or ICU entrepreneurialism. 649 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200 So, something along those lines. It's just another opportunity to 650 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,400 consider so just really exploring the opportunities. 651 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,700 We're partnering with more and more. 652 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:39,000 Nurses to bring more business opportunities to them and just 653 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,500 keep an open mind of what you could do. 654 00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,200 Don't put limits on on yourself or saying nurses. 655 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,100 Don't do that, which is what I said, and it's not true. 656 00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:50,400 Nurses do everything. There's it would be harder to 657 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,700 come up career. That didn't mess. 658 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,200 Then to list all the things you could do with nursing. 659 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,100 So yes, 100% agree. So the last part, dr. 660 00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:03,200 Harris of our interview is the rapid fire questions. 661 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,100 Questions questions questions. These you can't prepare for 662 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:07,400 their just fly by the seat of the pants. 663 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,900 Are you ready? I think so, okay, when you're 664 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:14,500 not working, how do you like to spend your time reading books 665 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,600 and drinking, wine drinking water. 666 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,400 And so what are you currently reading and actually reading 667 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,900 story A worthy by Matthew dicks. And it is where they 668 00:34:24,900 --> 00:34:26,600 fascinating, absolutely fascinating. 669 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,699 How to wrap story to teach people. 670 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,600 Is it kind of reminds me of the guy story brand the yeah, that's 671 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,100 who I finished his book called a million miles in a thousand 672 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:38,699 years. I read that right before, story 673 00:34:38,699 --> 00:34:42,300 worthy and he had me in tears like felt that that was so 674 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,900 touching. It was the use of story to 675 00:34:44,900 --> 00:34:48,100 explain certain ideas. Absolutely wonderful book when I 676 00:34:48,107 --> 00:34:50,100 read that book and this is kind of a side note between you. 677 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:55,800 And I I felt like It helped me feel like what I was doing with 678 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,500 my podcast, like the the telling of the story, tell me your 679 00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:03,000 story, tell me your journey. It did make me feel like, that's 680 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,800 what I want. Like he kind of helped make me 681 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,000 feel like that was what I was wanting to make or like build, 682 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000 like he inspired me a lot when I read his book, I was like that, 683 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,200 that's what I want to do. I want to tell stories, I want 684 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,300 to tell people stories and let it Inspire them because I think 685 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,400 it is inspiring when you hear things and you just share things 686 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,400 about your life and people are Like, wow, if she can do it and 687 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,000 she sounds like a normal person that I can connect to, I could 688 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,600 do it. And so, I think it's really 689 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,100 beautiful. And then the last question is, 690 00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:32,800 Have you ever been to a concert Katie? 691 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,700 And which one was it? What was your first concert you 692 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:37,500 attended? And I think it was probably 693 00:35:37,500 --> 00:35:42,700 Bryan Adams, Bryan Adams country music, not what he's missing 694 00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:46,600 country but Adams not my first real six-string. 695 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:59,300 Oh, oh, it's not country. I'm thinking of a, ok? 696 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:02,500 Ok, yes. Wow, that was your first 697 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:05,400 concert. It may have been one of my, my 698 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,000 first cup Maybe Might Have Been a Billy Joel concert. 699 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,600 I don't know, I didn't go to many concerts. 700 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,800 As a child, I was always kind of weird and didn't do those kind 701 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,300 of things. But those are the two that I 702 00:36:14,308 --> 00:36:17,400 remember, really cool. Thank you for sharing. 703 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,100 Thank you for coming on to the podcast today. 704 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,800 And just being so open and vulnerable and and talking about 705 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,700 what you've done with your career. 706 00:36:22,700 --> 00:36:24,700 It's incredible. And again, like I said, I'm a 707 00:36:24,707 --> 00:36:27,000 huge fan. So keep it up, dr. 708 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,200 Katie Harris. Thank you so much. 709 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,200 We are at the end. Of our time together. 710 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,400 I really enjoyed the chat. 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