1 00:00:01,500 --> 00:00:03,400 Hi there. My name is dr. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,600 Presenta, and I'm the host of the doctor nurse podcast. 3 00:00:06,700 --> 00:00:09,000 I'm an advanced nurse practitioner and I want to be 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,700 your guide into the world of nursing professions. 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,500 This podcast is a platform for nurses to share their Journeys 6 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:18,700 as they made their way in the diverse field of nursing as 7 00:00:18,700 --> 00:00:22,800 either entrepreneurs, Academia private, practice or even the 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,700 corporate world. I think we should celebrate just 9 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,800 how diverse the field of nursing is through mentoring one. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Another, with the stories of our career. 11 00:00:30,500 --> 00:00:33,000 Journeys. Nothing is too mundane because 12 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:36,600 each journey is unique. This podcast will showcase 13 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,900 career options to encourage nurses to view their degrees 14 00:00:39,900 --> 00:00:43,000 with a business mindset. After all we work in the 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 healthcare business and ultimately I hope I might 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,500 inspire you to make a change. If you're looking for something 17 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:52,000 different, I am motivated to see you live, your best, nursing 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,500 life and that looks different for everyone. 19 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,900 Thanks for joining me on today's podcast. 20 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:58,800 And let's get started with today's guests. 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,100 Hey guys this week on the podcast I have Eric a nurse 22 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:11,300 practitioner, he has work experience in oncology research, 23 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:13,700 Primary Care and Pain Management. 24 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:18,400 He utilizes his expertise in psychedelic assisted healing to 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,600 educate nurses, Health Providers, and patients 26 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:25,300 preparing for the moment when these compounds become available 27 00:01:25,300 --> 00:01:29,500 for patient, searching for a new way of healing as an adult nurse 28 00:01:29,500 --> 00:01:32,800 practitioner here. Scribes ketamine infusions and 29 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,000 offers alternative modalities for pain management. 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 For patients, who have exhausted traditional therapies? 31 00:01:39,700 --> 00:01:46,900 Let's hear from Eric. Hi, Eric. 32 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:48,500 Welcome to the doctor nurse podcast. 33 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:53,200 I'm so happy to have my first male guest on today. 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Welcome, thank you so much. So happy to be here, happy to 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,800 have you. So let's Dive Right In again, 36 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,700 going back. A cure from the great state of 37 00:02:02,700 --> 00:02:05,400 California. And you have this really 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,900 interesting background and plant medicine, can you cut a describe 39 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:11,900 to us what your current role or job title is right now. 40 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:16,900 So I am the nurse practitioner in a pain clinic at the Camp. 41 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:20,200 Pendleton Naval Hospital that is my day job. 42 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,500 My passion, my thing that I am doing on the side is building a 43 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,100 platform to educate nurses about psychedelics and plant. 44 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,200 And it has been just a joy to research it and to plan it and 45 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,300 to get the word out about these incredible compounds for 46 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,800 healing. So when you say plant medicine, 47 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,300 might be a lot of people out there that are hippie there, 48 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:48,300 like peace, love and plants, but really dive into what it is that 49 00:02:48,300 --> 00:02:52,600 you are educating nurses on, what are the modalities. 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,800 So the idea around the plant medicines is that these 51 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,300 wonderful substances have been relegated. 52 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,800 And to research and even that has been difficult since about 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:10,400 1970, when the government made the scheduled drug laws, right? 54 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,200 So all of these medicines that we have used as a human species 55 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,300 for Millennia, were stuck into a category called schedule, one 56 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:23,700 drugs, which basically are considered to have no use at 57 00:03:23,700 --> 00:03:25,700 all. Right there, just tucked away 58 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:26,900 locked away. If you're found with them, 59 00:03:26,900 --> 00:03:30,200 you're imprisoned. So it created a situation where 60 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,700 the The scientists and the doctors and the health 61 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:34,800 practitioners. And all of the people sort of 62 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,900 wanted to looking into these substances again for research, 63 00:03:37,900 --> 00:03:39,400 they had to petition the government. 64 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,900 In order to get access in order to get the IRB going for 65 00:03:42,900 --> 00:03:46,200 research, they had to basically beg the government. 66 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:52,000 Now, what you have, as a result of that is 50 years of no usage 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,100 of this medicine. As I've I'm just dork out on 68 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:56,400 this stuff, right? So I really enjoyed so you'd 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,600 have to be sleeping under a rock not to have heard a little bit 70 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,300 about what's happening. I think it's on. 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,600 Front page of the New York Times. 72 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,200 We're starting to see phase 3 trials now, where it's coming, 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,100 back that yes, medicine. Such as what would street drugs 74 00:04:09,100 --> 00:04:12,900 would be called ecstasy LSD. These, these medicines are 75 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:15,700 having profound effects on people who are really stuck, 76 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:18,700 people who are treatment resistant depression, who suffer 77 00:04:18,700 --> 00:04:22,400 terrible PTSD, who have Eating Disorders, any number of mental 78 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,900 health maladies are being cured by these by these compounds or 79 00:04:26,900 --> 00:04:28,800 at least they're making progress right here. 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,500 It is a hardware to mental health but The progress is 81 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:34,000 occurring because these medicines are able to snap 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,200 people out of their there. They're stuck Paradigm, right? 83 00:04:37,300 --> 00:04:41,800 So my my thing is let's rehabilitate what everybody 84 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,200 thinks of is the 60s. Gateway drugs that are horrible 85 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,400 for you. Let's rethink. 86 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,700 These has medicines that generate from initially from 87 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:52,800 Plants, even when you think about LSD, which is a chemical, 88 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,800 the the derivative is from her got right from from a fungus 89 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,300 that grows on rye bread, that's what was being toyed. 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,300 With when LSD was discovered, okay? 91 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:06,100 So it was all goes back to some form of plant that we have 92 00:05:06,100 --> 00:05:08,800 chosen to ingest and has given us experiences. 93 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,800 That allow us an alternate State of Consciousness, interesting? 94 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:16,200 So I just think this is so cool. Whenever you're educating and 95 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,300 you're Distributing, this information? 96 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:23,100 Are you working as a guide like helping patients, use this 97 00:05:23,100 --> 00:05:26,900 stuff? Or are you just saying we need 98 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:29,800 to get the word out that all these drugs that we give 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,700 patients. Actually probably based on 100 00:05:31,700 --> 00:05:36,200 medicine that we no longer use the kind of chemically altered 101 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,900 and changed. And now, we are giving this 102 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:40,900 altered state of this plant. Why not? 103 00:05:40,900 --> 00:05:42,900 Go to the plant? How are you getting that 104 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:46,500 information out? So not guiding at this time 105 00:05:46,500 --> 00:05:50,200 directly for patients outside of the fact that I do participate, 106 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,400 I do write for ketamine, which is anestis o.c. of an aesthetic 107 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,600 that is used traditionally in medicine. 108 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,200 It's for anesthesia, obviously putting doing surgery. 109 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,700 Hurry and putting someone under. But what, what ketamine has a 110 00:06:03,700 --> 00:06:05,700 psycho? Psycho Tropic properties. 111 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,400 And if you, if you don't give the full dose, right? 112 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,700 So putting them into a state where you can operate but keep 113 00:06:12,700 --> 00:06:17,000 them in sort of a Twilight where the patient is pre there sedated 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,100 but completely out, there's this there's this psychedelic aspect 115 00:06:21,100 --> 00:06:24,600 to the medicine and that I do prescribed and I do talk with my 116 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,900 patients about their experiences and try to help them mostly. 117 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:30,000 That's reserved in the pain practice. 118 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,000 That's Herbs for people with pain that doesn't respond to 119 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,700 other modalities. So central pain syndromes like 120 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,900 complex regional pain syndrome or sometimes it's helpful for 121 00:06:41,900 --> 00:06:45,200 even, even for something simpler like a migraine, or a 122 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,500 fibromyalgia patient, where there's no other good medicine 123 00:06:48,500 --> 00:06:50,900 involved and they're chronically in pain and they never see 124 00:06:50,900 --> 00:06:54,300 themselves below a 7 on the 0 to 10 Pain. 125 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:57,200 Scale, people who are really suffering from from a chronic 126 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,700 condition can benefit from a little bit of ketamine. 127 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,500 So with that, It is the one thing that I am prescribing and 128 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:05,600 interacting with patients around the rest is sort of listen 129 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,400 nurses, we need to prepare for this. 130 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,500 It is coming. The the FDA is pushing towards 131 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,000 reviewing all this stuff for approval, and we need to 132 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,700 understand what it is. Our patients are asking for why 133 00:07:17,700 --> 00:07:19,900 they want it. What they've heard, you need to 134 00:07:19,907 --> 00:07:23,300 be a step ahead, so that you can answer the questions and not be 135 00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:25,100 shocks. That that's my concern. 136 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:28,400 Is that an, ER, nurse is going to come across somebody who's 137 00:07:28,500 --> 00:07:30,700 taken too much X, Y or Z, Students. 138 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:33,700 And they're, they're not going to recognize that this is what 139 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:36,400 is occurring, right? So if we educate ourselves about 140 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,900 the mechanism of action, the on set, the amount of time that it 141 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,900 stays in the system, what a what a what a patient presents. 142 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:45,700 Like we can do some harm reduction, we can help that 143 00:07:45,700 --> 00:07:48,300 patient stabilized. Alternatively, if they're coming 144 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:51,000 to us to say, look, I heard about this, I read this article. 145 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,800 I really am stuck with my therapist or my dose of Prozac 146 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,200 is not doing it anymore. I really having a hard time 147 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,200 struggling and I've heard about this thing. 148 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,600 I've heard about psycho Malik, assisted psychotherapy. 149 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,600 What can you tell me? I don't want the nurse to have 150 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,100 that look in their eyes, like, oh, but I thought that was a 151 00:08:06,108 --> 00:08:08,300 Woodstock thing, right? Woodstock is here. 152 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:12,100 It sounds like it's upon us. And so I actually find this 153 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:15,000 really interesting because I was recently reading a book by tab 154 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,200 in Greenfield called boundless, and he is a really big biohacker 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,300 and it's a 30-hour audiobook, right? 156 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:28,400 So it's pretty heavy and I was reading it and he talks a lot 157 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,100 about like micro dosing. With psychedelics and how that 158 00:08:33,100 --> 00:08:37,600 helps with the creative aspect. And of course, there's legality 159 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,200 issues surrounding this. That we, I'm not going to do 160 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,299 that on today's podcast whatsoever, but I just find 161 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:46,100 that, I think you're right. I think that people are starting 162 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:51,200 to introduce this into their mainstream Lifestyles. 163 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,900 I don't think. I think that he's got a really 164 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:56,100 big following and I find it hard to believe that people aren't 165 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,300 listening to him. I think that this is where 166 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:01,800 things are going because I think there is this Level of distrust 167 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,900 with the way that medications are being doled out. 168 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:08,900 And the way that certain drugs and compounds make people feel, 169 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:11,600 it's kind of like well why not try this? 170 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,400 If it's especially if they can do it in a way that could be 171 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,900 safe? I think we need to be ready for 172 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,500 this coming down the pipeline from our patients. 173 00:09:19,500 --> 00:09:22,400 Absolutely. Its people are are getting the 174 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,600 word from people that they, that they may trust people who might 175 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:30,000 be a conservative or otherwise unexposed to this suddenly it's 176 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,500 being Featured on a episode of goop on Netflix, right? 177 00:09:34,500 --> 00:09:37,000 He's got Joe Rogan is expounding this. 178 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,900 There's all sorts of ways in which it's getting out there. 179 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,700 The hesitation in the problem that we're trying to avoid is we 180 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:47,400 don't want another Timothy, Leary explosion people with 181 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,300 access and experimentation and sort of letting the genie out of 182 00:09:50,300 --> 00:09:54,700 the bottle prematurely, we want to sort of control this and keep 183 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:58,100 people make your patients aware but have the hard pause button 184 00:09:58,100 --> 00:10:00,200 on until such time as they can be super. 185 00:10:00,300 --> 00:10:02,800 Advised by a clinician. Wow, that is so cool. 186 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,200 What a neat Niche, you are in. So how did you get to this 187 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,600 specific spot in your career? What was your journey that led 188 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,900 you to this Niche? So just I'm a career changer. 189 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,200 I went back to school. I started off in acting school 190 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:21,400 back and out of high school and worked not as an actor, but as a 191 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,800 person who divides money that is paid to actors. 192 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,700 So when you back in the day, when you rented your video from 193 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:30,200 the local video store, I would take that money and separate it 194 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,700 out. Out to the writer director 195 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:35,300 actor, I was called residuals calculations, I did that for the 196 00:10:35,300 --> 00:10:39,500 better, part of the 90s before I went back to school and decided 197 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:43,000 to go ahead and pursue a bachelor's and that was a whole 198 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,400 time when I was in Berkeley, I got involved in hospice 199 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,300 volunteering. When I did the training for 200 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:51,900 hospice volunteer work, the facilitator said we don't have 201 00:10:51,900 --> 00:10:53,700 to do a whole lot of screening people. 202 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:56,500 Usually don't turn up for this if they're not called to it. 203 00:10:56,500 --> 00:11:01,700 So so I then met my wife to be. Be who recommended nursing 204 00:11:01,700 --> 00:11:04,100 school and I had been an Arts guy. 205 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:06,300 I've always been seen and always been kind of frightened of 206 00:11:06,300 --> 00:11:10,000 Science and Math and kept it to a minimum but realized that this 207 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,100 was going to be the best path towards that kind of work of 208 00:11:13,100 --> 00:11:15,300 end-of-life care was towards nursing. 209 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:19,000 So went back to night school. After that experience at 210 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,500 Berkeley and got myself the prerequisites for nursing 211 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:24,700 school. Which as we all know, is the 212 00:11:24,700 --> 00:11:26,800 anatomy. The physiology, the statistics 213 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,100 things that I had avoided well into my 30s and managed to give 214 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:31,600 it. Through and get into a good 215 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,900 school and went to nursing school and that landed me in 216 00:11:34,900 --> 00:11:39,500 oncology during my rotations, and oncology was close enough to 217 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:40,700 see those people who are doing well. 218 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,400 But there are also a lot of end of lifers. 219 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,100 And I learned a lot there and then I was trying to get to 220 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:48,700 hospice, but they wouldn't let you directly go without 221 00:11:48,700 --> 00:11:50,500 experience. So I thought well, pain 222 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:51,800 management would be a good route. 223 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,500 So I took my first job in pain, how North Carolina and a private 224 00:11:55,500 --> 00:12:00,100 pain clinic working for one doc with one other PA and that was 225 00:12:00,300 --> 00:12:03,600 Intense and interesting experience learning to get 226 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,300 comfortable with at that time, this was before the opioid 227 00:12:06,300 --> 00:12:09,800 crisis, this was opioid crisis in the making so Hopi crisis, 228 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,600 was that the opioid crisis that we find ourselves in? 229 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,400 Now, sadly, I'm a little guilty of that kind of a practice that 230 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,400 I was involved in and about 10 12 years ago before we before we 231 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,600 knew we were not aware of what we were creating. 232 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,400 I don't think and so I was in a practice that did that for about 233 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,100 a year before I went into Primary Care was a great 234 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:30,700 experience. Of course you learn a near As a 235 00:12:30,700 --> 00:12:33,600 primary carrier, just the Jack of all trades, master of none, 236 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:37,400 as opposed to this pain, specialist who, which I've now 237 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,500 after six years in Primary Care I've circled back to pain 238 00:12:40,500 --> 00:12:43,200 medicine and realize how talk about a niche. 239 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,000 I mean that is just your thinking about the same 45 240 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,100 medicines. The same 45 procedures while 241 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,200 every patient is different and every pain, presentation is 242 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,500 different. That particular way of looking 243 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,400 at the patient and trying to get to the bottom of what is ailing, 244 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,100 them is a very specific thing. And so I found myself looking 245 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,600 Looking for Alternatives and came across a group called nurse 246 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,000 prune. Oars, and that gave me, I took a 247 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,000 course with them talking about how do you free your brain? 248 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,200 How do you free your mind? How do you become a entrepreneur 249 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,800 in nursing? And I went through the steps and 250 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,700 the, the program is very good. And I wound up with this idea 251 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:23,100 that passion of mine is psychedelic plant medicine, and 252 00:13:23,100 --> 00:13:26,800 although, I'm not a psychiatric mental health practitioner, that 253 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,100 realm really is always interested me, and I found 254 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:33,900 Myself making packed with that group, to sort of broaden my 255 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:37,600 horizons and figure out a way to educate, start off, going into 256 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,000 education about the realm of psychedelic medicine and 257 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,600 preparing. For the point, when we might be 258 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,200 able to open a practice, my wife is a psychiatric nurse 259 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,000 practitioner. And so we between the two of us 260 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,400 prepared to sort of a couple yeah. 261 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,700 Yeah, prepare to venture into that realm, once the medicines 262 00:13:55,700 --> 00:13:58,000 are approved and we can forget ourselves into sort of an 263 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,700 integrative clinic will be prepared to to go and at your 264 00:14:01,700 --> 00:14:05,500 current job. Are you doing procedures within 265 00:14:05,500 --> 00:14:08,600 the scope of your license or you just prescribing medication? 266 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,500 Are you just seeing patients in chronic pain States? 267 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,100 Because now here in Florida, we don't prescribe pain medication 268 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:17,500 for more than like three days and if you're dying and there's 269 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:19,600 something going on with pain, we're just like, go. 270 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,000 See your chronic pain specialist, we don't know how to 271 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,200 help you. And so that's kind of where 272 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,800 we've gone, which again, feels kind of lacking, but it's just 273 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,600 the way that the system is now we are the Position was created 274 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,900 with the naval hospital as part of congressional funding source, 275 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:40,700 she keep people off of opiates and figure out Alternatives. 276 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,200 So, if a marine or an able person is worldwide, Deployable 277 00:14:45,500 --> 00:14:47,700 they cannot be on a chronic opiate. 278 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:50,900 And so, we have to find all the Alternatives possible to help 279 00:14:50,900 --> 00:14:53,200 them. So, in my practice I'm doing 280 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Botox protocol for migraines for trigger point injections, I use 281 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,300 trigger point injections into the The muscles that bother 282 00:15:01,300 --> 00:15:03,400 people. These marines, we work in a 283 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,300 multidisciplinary group. So we've got a physical 284 00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:09,300 therapist on board. An acupuncturist, we have the 285 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:13,100 docs, do the stellate ganglion. Blocks they do the spinal 286 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:16,200 injections. So epidural steroid injections 287 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,500 Branch blocks the usual things that you would find in a bank 288 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,300 account in town. But the number of patients I 289 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:25,600 have on a chronic opioid, I can count on on my hands. 290 00:15:25,700 --> 00:15:29,200 They really aren't meant to stay on those medicines, which is a 291 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,900 great relief or the Difference from where I started in a pain 292 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:35,200 clinic out in the community. Eric I just think it is so neat 293 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,200 and you're going to you're making such a big difference and 294 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,800 to hear that you guys are working to get people off of 295 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,800 opioids. And it just shows like how much 296 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,600 we were mistreating those patient before if you can just 297 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,400 count them on your hands now and it's true. 298 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,900 I also worked as an oncology nurse and I remember I thought 299 00:15:52,900 --> 00:15:57,600 it was so wrong when you're Doling out pain meds to someone 300 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:00,800 who was depressed, right? You see See it, and they're 301 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,000 sick. And that's not a fallacy. 302 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,400 I remember, just knowing it just intuitively as a nurse that, I'm 303 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,700 not treating physical pain. I'm treating a mental pain, a 304 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:12,900 depression and anxiety, there's something else going on. 305 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:15,100 And I was treating it with morphine and Oxycodone. 306 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:18,400 Like, and I knew it because it was like all the lights were off 307 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,900 and I can't even see the patient's face like to this day 308 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:22,700 and that was almost 15 years ago. 309 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:26,500 Like I just remember the lights were off in his room, he never 310 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:30,600 spoke and even though he was clinically fine, And there was 311 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,300 nothing going on with his disease process. 312 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:37,000 I was keeping him in like this drug to State because he didn't 313 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,800 want to cope with what he had to deal with, what his eyes opened 314 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:43,200 up, and it was just really a felt wrong. 315 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,200 It was just like I don't think this guy needs another 316 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,100 oxycodone. Like he needs. 317 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:50,800 It like a therapist or I don't know like whatever psychedelic 318 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,800 or thing that could just keep him functioning and not so just 319 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,700 taken down by depression and absolutely. 320 00:16:57,700 --> 00:17:00,000 Those are the primary patients that. 321 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,800 An interest me the the end-of-life anxiety, the anxiety 322 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,500 around cancer of the issues and quality of life. 323 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:08,300 Some of the studies from the 60s. 324 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,099 I just love, you'll have to. Excuse me, Sandra. 325 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:13,400 I don't work out. But I mean, I pour through these 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,700 old studies from the 50s and 60s that are there's tons of them. 327 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:20,599 There were thousands of studies done before the mandate to go 328 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,700 schedule, one with these medicines and they got locked 329 00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:24,700 away. But some of the really 330 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:28,600 interesting data shows exactly what you're saying that they 331 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:33,900 would they were trialing D for pain and and what they found was 332 00:17:33,900 --> 00:17:37,800 that the patients were recording extraordinary remission of their 333 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,300 pain. It should have been very painful 334 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:42,000 from the size of the tumors in the kind of cancers that they 335 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,400 were battling. But at the time it was much 336 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,500 easier to say to ask the doctor for pain medicine for their back 337 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:49,900 that it was to talk about their fear and their existential 338 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:53,400 anxiety because this is the 50s and the 60s, this is Buck Up 339 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Buttercup. You don't talk about those 340 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,200 things, right? We forget that, we've come at 341 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,800 least to the point now, where we can talk about our feelings, 342 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,900 that was not so much the case back in the at that time frame. 343 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:06,800 And so the Breakthrough of the Psychedelic, really put the pain 344 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,900 in perspective, put their lives in perspective, gave them away 345 00:18:10,900 --> 00:18:14,900 to be hopeful and it's hard. It's really hard to explain 346 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,600 unless you're there. But just to know that the right 347 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,400 guide with the right medication for the right patient can make 348 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,000 all the difference in the world than a patient. 349 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,700 Like that who's clearly depressed and yes, they're in 350 00:18:25,700 --> 00:18:27,400 pain. But the pain is really what's 351 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,400 driving. It is just a factor adding Their 352 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,900 existential depression, I agree with you. 353 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,900 I don't know if you've read this book, I just think it's so it's 354 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,300 a really good book. It's called molecules of 355 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:40,700 emotion. Why you feel the way you feel? 356 00:18:40,700 --> 00:18:44,200 And it's by Candace pert and it was recommended to me by another 357 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,000 guest. And in the book she talks about 358 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:49,900 the effect of medications, I think it would have been 359 00:18:49,900 --> 00:18:54,100 ketamine and that she had during her time in the hospital and she 360 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:57,000 describes how it passes the blood-brain barrier and affect 361 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,300 the Consciousness and states of Consciousness. 362 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,700 I remember reading a book and just being very mesmerized and 363 00:19:01,700 --> 00:19:05,500 that's what led her into a level of research that she went into. 364 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,800 And so I also find that these medications can bring about 365 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,200 creativity and unlock parts of your brain, that you might not 366 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,000 even been aware where there is that something that you've 367 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,700 experienced or you're familiar with? 368 00:19:16,700 --> 00:19:17,800 Yes. Absolutely. 369 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,000 The the way in which the medicine works on the default 370 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,100 mode Network, which is the place where we operate in the world. 371 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:31,300 From what we, what we recognize is predictable, We respond where 372 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:36,000 our Baseline is for the healthy adult or the healthy individual 373 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,700 is fine. That's our that's our protective 374 00:19:38,700 --> 00:19:42,400 area that we interact with everyone and everything with but 375 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,900 for the person who's clinically and chronically, depressed, 376 00:19:45,900 --> 00:19:49,700 let's say they're coming from a place of being being stuck in 377 00:19:49,708 --> 00:19:51,900 the mud. They cannot sometimes, they 378 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,600 can't get out of bed. Because what's the point? 379 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,800 All of those kind of thoughts that keep people stuck in a 380 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,400 state of inactivity and when these medicines Sian's break, 381 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,000 open that default mode Network, and create a new way of 382 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,500 thinking. And it is, we get down to the 383 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:11,600 pathophysiology. The science of this, there are 384 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,600 molecules passing through the blood-brain barrier and you're 385 00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:18,000 essentially creating new connections, new neural 386 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,800 connections where there were previously it's like I use the 387 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,600 analogy of shaking up the snow globe. 388 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,900 So you look at that snow globe and all the Snows in the bottom, 389 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,500 that's kind of the default mode Network. 390 00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,500 And when you shake it up and all that snow falls all over the Is 391 00:20:30,500 --> 00:20:33,600 that is what the Psychedelic medicine, whether it's ketamine 392 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:37,200 LSD, MDMA, it's going to shake it up and make all sorts of 393 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,400 possibilities. Open up for that purpose. 394 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,000 So thank you for sharing that. I think it's really interesting. 395 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,300 So, give me an example, of one of the biggest successes or 396 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:48,300 highs in your career. As you've gone along this 397 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:52,700 journey to plant medicine, having students enroll and give 398 00:20:52,700 --> 00:20:58,400 me a fee for service and Performing those three workshops 399 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,300 here. Recently was was Was the 400 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:02,800 highlight for sure. Just a launching something. 401 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,900 Putting it out there having people say, yes, I'm interested. 402 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:09,200 Sign on the sign on the dotted line venmo you some money and 403 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,500 wait for you to give them information is. 404 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:13,900 That's definitely the highlight of this so far. 405 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,000 There's also these you could pick out your patients that 406 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,400 you've helped along the way, right? 407 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Even with ketamine having people have breakthrough, seeing the 408 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,000 medicine work and not worry about them because you're in a 409 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,900 hospital setting. And if anything goes wrong with 410 00:21:26,900 --> 00:21:31,000 ketamine your, you can call a code as opposed to the the Fear 411 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,800 of having your own private Clinic where here that's sort 412 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,100 of. One of the barriers for me is 413 00:21:35,100 --> 00:21:36,400 like, oh my gosh, what would I do? 414 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,700 If although if never seems to happen at least in the hospital. 415 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,600 But so helping people break through and actually showing 416 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,000 putting the proofs in the pudding. 417 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,800 Right where you where you see the ketamine help someone who 418 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,600 has been like you're describing lights off in the dark in there. 419 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,700 Chronic pain and have a breakthrough that is an amazing 420 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:58,700 high but I think for me personally the the idea of not 421 00:21:58,700 --> 00:22:02,200 being a Person who depends on the man for the paycheck for the 422 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,900 rest of my life. I had a glimpse of this 423 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:07,500 possibility, right? That if you build it they will 424 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,700 come. That is for sure a thing. 425 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,700 So I think I quoted that on my last broadcast if you build it 426 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:14,300 they will come. It's so true. 427 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,000 And I think it is so interesting that moment that you realize 428 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,900 like I don't have to rely on this person to pay me. 429 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,300 Like I go and find my coin. Is this really neat thing that I 430 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:31,700 want more nurses to understand that were You are diving deep 431 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,400 get as much knowledge as you can. 432 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:36,200 And then now that knowledge becomes your property, right? 433 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,300 Like your intellectual property and you can actually sell that 434 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:41,500 and I don't think that we're encouraged to do that. 435 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:43,600 So it's really cool to hear that. 436 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,500 That was your aha moment and you really saw, your eyes were open 437 00:22:48,500 --> 00:22:49,600 to. That was your ketamine 438 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,300 experience. Exactly. 439 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,300 Crush my head wondering bigger for sure. 440 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Your challenges that you had to overcome in your years as a 441 00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:02,700 practicing nurse and nurse practitioner. 442 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:06,400 So there's always the stories of your as a fledgling nurse where 443 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,600 you're trying to figure things out and worried that you've 444 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,600 harmed a patient or broken a protocol, or had it out with 445 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,000 another personality in the nursing eating, the young, all 446 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,400 those kind of stories, I have. But I think the, the challenge, 447 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,000 the most prescient Challenge, and the one that that I'm still 448 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,500 sort of battling with is the just that Idea that your, that I 449 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:32,600 am legitimate that I have something to say, and then it's 450 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,300 worthwhile and trying to straddle. 451 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:38,300 I mean, talk about two worlds being in a military environment 452 00:23:38,300 --> 00:23:40,800 every day and then going home at night and studying up on 453 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,800 psychedelic prep, plant medicine presentations, and try to 454 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,700 talking to doing my coaching call with nurse preneurcast, 455 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:50,900 basically, from a broom closet. At work, trying not to have. 456 00:23:50,900 --> 00:23:55,400 Anybody hear me talk about LSD and ecstasy, cannabis that has 457 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,200 been a challenge, but I think Think my hands are sort of tied 458 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,100 as far as what I can tell these guys who are who are active duty 459 00:24:02,100 --> 00:24:04,700 as they're getting ready to exit, we can sort of have the 460 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:09,100 conversation that cannabis is equivalent to an opiate or a 461 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,000 benzo. You can explore this, now that 462 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,500 you're no longer going to be an active duty member, you can try 463 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:17,700 a ketamine clinic and just so coming down the line, there will 464 00:24:17,700 --> 00:24:21,500 be more opportunities for you to utilize these medicines for your 465 00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:23,800 PTSD. We're working with guys that are 466 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,100 suffering so much every day on all Aspects of their being is 467 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:32,100 really hard on the soul and that is a challenge that I enjoy. 468 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,300 And that, I mean, every day trying to treat each of these 469 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:38,600 guys with respect and drill down a little bit in my time that I 470 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,700 have with them and not just make it about offering the a muscle 471 00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:45,100 relaxant and anti-inflammatory. Try to really talk with them 472 00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:48,700 about where is your pain? Really your back or do we have a 473 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:52,000 situation where you're not being straight about what's bothering 474 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,700 you what you've seen? We know what's happened? 475 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:56,400 I think you have an interesting perspective. 476 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,800 As well. Being a guy alongside of a guy 477 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,100 at my job and I work also, with in the military, kind of like 478 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:08,800 veterans, I notice that men are a lot more receptive to what he 479 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,800 says, and I'm like, I just said that, like just said what he 480 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,800 just said. Like, I'm in the moment that a 481 00:25:13,808 --> 00:25:17,200 guy says it, they automatically receive it and then he makes fun 482 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,300 of them he's like I'll listen you have a what is it? 483 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,900 An X Y chromosome, you're not ever going to think, right or 484 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:23,800 whatever. And like I'm just like how did 485 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,500 you just get away with saying that like, how did and I think 486 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Because he the perspective of where you're coming from and you 487 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,000 really do elicit a sense of like the people can talk to you that 488 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,400 you can just open up and share your making a difference. 489 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,600 Not even prescribing something sometimes. 490 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,600 I've noticed they just need someone to talk to like and just 491 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,000 having somebody there that can understand them and that they 492 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,900 can open up. To I know is making a big 493 00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:50,600 difference. So but it would be really great 494 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,900 to be able to say, Hey, listen, these mushrooms, you can eat a 495 00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:55,700 really great for you or so, actually, there was a study not 496 00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:59,200 too long ago. Go in the advances in nutrition. 497 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,000 They had done a systematic review, looking at individuals 498 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,800 that 8 18 grams of mushrooms daily. 499 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,900 Had a 45 percent lower risk of cancer compared to those who 500 00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:12,300 didn't eat mushrooms. They were talking shiitake, 501 00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:16,300 King, oyster mushrooms, oyster. Mushrooms like different types 502 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,600 of mushrooms. I love mushrooms in normal 503 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600 regulated mushrooms from the grocery store. 504 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,500 I eat them almost everyday. And when I read the study, I 505 00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:26,400 was, I don't think we know what mushrooms can do. 506 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,900 Like lowers your risk of cancer by almost 50% in the studies 507 00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,700 that they were looking at. I was like that's kind of a big 508 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:35,900 deal significant. I'll tag that article in my show 509 00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:39,100 notes so people can read it was definitely interesting and again 510 00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:40,500 just kind of going back to what you do. 511 00:26:40,500 --> 00:26:42,700 I really think that we don't really understand how much 512 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:46,400 plants can help us and really an unlocking that is going to be 513 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,300 incredible. Incredible to the world. 514 00:26:48,500 --> 00:26:50,500 Did you have any mentors? Anybody along the way that 515 00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,600 helped you with developing your career? 516 00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:56,400 I was really lucky to have good. Doctors. 517 00:26:56,500 --> 00:27:00,500 That I worked with, you hear a lot of anecdotes about the 518 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,300 struggle of the nurse practitioner and the doctor and 519 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,100 I was really fortunate. I was embraced and especially 520 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:10,400 jumping into primary care. Like I said, you can I learned a 521 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,100 lot in a short amount of time about pain but when I jumped 522 00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:18,000 into the realm of, here's every patient with every malady of 523 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,700 when, and every drugs on the table and anything can be used. 524 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:22,600 Fortunately, I was in a community health center, so at 525 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,800 least I didn't have to worry about the latest and greatest 526 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,100 drugs. You just kind of had to have 527 00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,300 your base. Arsenal, but I'm dr. 528 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:32,900 Mary for a back was a incredible mentor to me during my first 529 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:35,500 years as a as a primary care nurse practitioner. 530 00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:38,200 And then hear more recently with regards to what I'm doing. 531 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,400 Now, there's a guy named Andrew pain, who is a nurse 532 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,100 practitioner on the staff of University, California San 533 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,700 Francisco? Who is a huge proponent of 534 00:27:50,700 --> 00:27:55,400 psychedelic plant medicine, and he is just a wonderful resource 535 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,300 and guide and Teacher and wouldn't say we have a 536 00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:01,700 mentorship formal mentoring relationship but he offered me 537 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:05,500 to use some of his slides for my first presentation and gave me 538 00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,300 good feedback after my first webinar that I did too. 539 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:12,000 So that he's just been a great person to bounce things off of, 540 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,200 and he's just a huge resource Publishers like crazy teaches 541 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,500 all the time. He's just a really passionate 542 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,500 about the and I guess the last question that we have for 543 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:24,900 today's podcast is what advice would you give to a new nurse? 544 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,900 A starting offered her career. It doesn't really know what to 545 00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:31,400 do, where to go. What would be the advice that 546 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,500 you wish you would have known when you were getting started? 547 00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,800 It's a good one. Again, I became a nurse as a 548 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,500 career changer. What I thought I wanted was not 549 00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:44,300 what I have so far achieved, right? 550 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,700 So you I think people need to keep an open mind. 551 00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:51,400 You need to remember that your Nursing degree opens. 552 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,800 Any door that you want to walk through and that is one of the 553 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,000 reasons why when the Young Sailors at work. 554 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,800 Some of the young Navy guys that are thinking about being 555 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,000 corpsman or going on with their careers and Medicine, always try 556 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,600 to keep an eye towards the fact that you can do anything with 557 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,300 that degree. You can go into any field that 558 00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:13,200 suits you what? I was brought, I felt like I was 559 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,100 sort of rushed through my masters and you sort of do these 560 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:17,600 six-week rotations. Okay. 561 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,800 This is what psyche does and this is what labor delivery is 562 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,600 like. And this is what Ortho floor and 563 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,700 all those things you just get these little glimpses and then 564 00:29:23,700 --> 00:29:25,700 it's like, okay, now choose. Now we got to get you through 565 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,300 this program. We gotta go. 566 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,500 Out of here. So I think if you haven't gotten 567 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,500 a taste of everything that you imagine, you can do, it's really 568 00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:35,700 important to keep your eyes open. 569 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000 Look for the opportunities that are available in your area or 570 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,500 outside your area. Look where they're recruiting, 571 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,200 little try to be clear about what is it that you like about 572 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,900 nursing? Is that the interaction with the 573 00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:48,800 people are? You would rather be in the ICU 574 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,100 and have that patient zonked out. 575 00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:53,100 And just there's people who people who love to keep those 576 00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,200 pumps going and take down the measurements and the readings, 577 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,600 you Have to kind of be in tune with yourself and know what it 578 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,500 is that you like to do and then figure out how to make them fit 579 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:06,800 into the career rather than Vice Versa. 580 00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:08,800 Oh, there's an opening in labor and delivery, so I should go do 581 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,500 that even though I can't stand crying babies. 582 00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:13,300 Well, what were you thinking? You got to stay open to your 583 00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,000 calling and that's going to change. 584 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,700 In the beautiful thing about nursing is, as you grow in a 585 00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,100 Volvo and your interests change. You can fit yourself into a 586 00:30:21,108 --> 00:30:24,000 niche, like psychedelics. I mean, who would have thought 587 00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:26,300 when I when I was a kid smoking grass again. 588 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,800 It's hot number one. I never would have thought that 589 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,600 the Cannabis would become a legal medicine that I could talk 590 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,400 about, let alone, sit and write a scrip pad for ketamine 591 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,600 infusion. So you just you never know and I 592 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,900 think it's really important to keep an open mind. 593 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,200 I agree with all of that snaps to all that. 594 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,100 Now we are moving into the final portion of the interview. 595 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,900 Interview interview interview, trying to do like an echo. 596 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,800 This is the rapid fire question portion, where I'm going to give 597 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,800 you questions, that you weren't able to prepare for. 598 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,000 Are you ready, Eric? Let's go. 599 00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:56,300 All right. Are you a morning person? 600 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,700 Person or a night person morning person. 601 00:30:57,900 --> 00:31:00,100 Okay. And what is the strangest thing 602 00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:02,200 you have ever eaten? I don't know if we should maybe 603 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,400 say that on here and I'm just kidding. 604 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,700 Tell me what's the weirdest thing you've ever eaten? 605 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,500 I would go with the lungs of a yak when I was in Tibet. 606 00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:12,300 Okay, that is, I have questions, but we'll keep moving on. 607 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,100 If you've had a yacht, what would you call? 608 00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,000 Wow, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. 609 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,700 Thank you for coming odd podcast today. 610 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:22,200 I had an absolute glass with you Eric. 611 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Thank you for all your knowledge and sharing your journey with 612 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,800 the rest of Of the world so that nurses can hear how your career 613 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,600 can develop and how to find the gaps in nursing and the gaps in 614 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,800 health care. And I think nurses need to be 615 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,100 the bridge in those gaps and I think it's really cool how 616 00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,000 you're you're bridging those gaps and your job. 617 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,200 Absolutely Sunder. I really appreciate what you're 618 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,100 doing in this podcast is amazing. 619 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,200 It's were nurses. And we make a difference and the 620 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,800 sky's the limit just have faith in yourself and again, look for 621 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,500 those opportunities. Thanks so much. 622 00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:57,600 Thank you. We are at the end of our time 623 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000 together. I really enjoyed the chat, 624 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,800 please be sure to subscribe to the show so you don't miss an 625 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,000 episode and leave us a review. 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