1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,040 Welcome to the Doctor Nurse Podcast. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,960 I'm your host, Doctor Sandra Pedanta. 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,680 I'm a doctorally prepared nurse practitioner and I am so glad 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,080 you decided to join me today. The Doctor Nurse Podcast is a 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,400 podcast for nurses and nurse practitioners that are wanting 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,200 to understand what exactly their degrees can do for them. 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,200 After the birth of my son, I had this pegging desire to have more 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,320 flexibility in my career choices, despite feeling like 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,640 all the alphabet soup after my name. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,760 Didn't really afford me very many options. 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,680 I launched the podcast to find the answers that I so 12 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,240 desperately needed. I also knew I couldn't be the 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,040 only nurse who felt this way. Does this sound like you? 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,400 If so, come and hang out with me as I figure out what our nursing 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,800 degrees can give us access to as far as career flexibility, 16 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,040 control over our schedules, and entrepreneurship by talking with 17 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,280 NP's and RN's who are doing exactly that. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,560 Sit back and enjoy the conversation. 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,840 Doctor Nurse Podcast fame Welcome to another episode of 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,800 the Doctor Nurse Podcast. Today on the podcast I have 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Christian. Is it Cosenza? 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,080 Costassa. Costassa. 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,640 Costassa. I love it. 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,120 It's beautiful. Last name. 25 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:23,420 Well, welcome to the podcast. Christian was born in Italy in 26 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:26,340 1984 and had a pretty challenging childhood. 27 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:29,340 You lost your father when you were very young, had some, you 28 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:33,620 know, bullying in middle school and just decided that you at 29 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:35,340 some point when you were going through high school you wanted 30 00:01:35,340 --> 00:01:38,060 to become a nurse. So you got your BSN in nursing. 31 00:01:38,220 --> 00:01:41,460 You graduated in 2012 and then you looks like you opened up a 32 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:44,380 nurse led business while you were in Italy, but you wanted 33 00:01:44,380 --> 00:01:47,980 more. So you headed out to Ireland and 34 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:51,670 you worked in Ireland as an Italian nurse with very basic 35 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:54,710 English and then through the years kind of moved at different 36 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:57,390 areas. England working in the NICU Cath 37 00:01:57,390 --> 00:02:01,070 lab and then somehow found yourself to the United States. 38 00:02:01,070 --> 00:02:03,470 Last year you moved working as a nurse. 39 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:07,190 And yeah, you're also working and to build a business, a 40 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:10,380 coaching business, which I think is super cool on the side. 41 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:13,540 And you have a podcast, which is the Mindset Nurse Podcast. 42 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:15,460 You are just building these little different things, these 43 00:02:15,460 --> 00:02:19,220 little avenues, these little revenue streams to create a 44 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:21,740 fulfilling nursing career. And today we're going to talk a 45 00:02:21,740 --> 00:02:24,460 little bit on the podcast about resiliency because I've been 46 00:02:24,460 --> 00:02:27,020 kind of doing a mindset series on my podcast. 47 00:02:27,020 --> 00:02:29,620 So I wanted to have you come on and talk about those things. 48 00:02:29,700 --> 00:02:32,390 Welcome to my. Thank you so much and. 49 00:02:32,590 --> 00:02:36,750 I'm, you know, very. Flattened about introduction so. 50 00:02:37,110 --> 00:02:40,390 It's a great story. Yeah, so you're right, I was. 51 00:02:40,390 --> 00:02:44,030 Born in Italy back in 1980. 4 sounds. 52 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:46,390 Prehistoric now at this school. And. 53 00:02:47,190 --> 00:02:49,550 I had very. I would say, you know, till I 54 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:53,230 was 10, it was kind of an average childhood and I lost my 55 00:02:53,230 --> 00:02:57,070 dad and my family always been like it interpret. 56 00:02:57,390 --> 00:03:00,350 They had businesses, they ran things around, so always been 57 00:03:00,350 --> 00:03:02,230 exposed to that, so. World. 58 00:03:02,870 --> 00:03:06,790 But I wasn't really into it. And then when my dog passed my 59 00:03:06,790 --> 00:03:10,430 mom had to go full time working for myself and my brother. 60 00:03:10,430 --> 00:03:12,630 Everything changed. And you are absolutely right, 61 00:03:12,630 --> 00:03:16,470 middle school was a tough time for me and I got bullet. 62 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:19,470 But I'm so grateful now If I think about back, you know, 63 00:03:19,470 --> 00:03:23,070 because that build up resilience and where I am now. 64 00:03:23,550 --> 00:03:31,030 I did finish my high school and I got a little bit, I would say 65 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:32,910 affect. By the influence of some 66 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:36,110 teachers back then who said to me you should go back to work, 67 00:03:36,190 --> 00:03:40,150 you should go back you should go into work not to college because 68 00:03:40,150 --> 00:03:43,430 I don't think you can do it. And I was thinking wow thinking 69 00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:46,870 back that now you know to tell that was 1618 years old. 70 00:03:46,870 --> 00:03:52,350 This is tough story and I went into the workforce and I my 71 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:55,670 first job was a forklift operator which it was good fun 72 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:58,430 to be honest. I made some money and I went 73 00:03:58,430 --> 00:04:01,070 into and I always had at the back of my mind I want to 74 00:04:01,070 --> 00:04:04,190 become. From a nurse, and that was only 75 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:05,710 why. Why did you have that in the 76 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:08,430 back of your mind? Well, I guess a lot has to do 77 00:04:08,430 --> 00:04:12,430 with my dad's passing. He passed with a cardiomyopathy 78 00:04:12,510 --> 00:04:16,070 that's why I am a cardiac nurse now and and I always had that 79 00:04:16,070 --> 00:04:19,829 sort of I remember going into hospital when it was very sick 80 00:04:20,390 --> 00:04:23,550 and that was early 90s. So obviously they were in 81 00:04:23,550 --> 00:04:26,310 Crtd's. They were in like many things 82 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:28,390 around when someone had cardiomyopathy. 83 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:30,790 That was it, you know, it was for symptoms management. 84 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:34,140 And I remember seeing all these nurses coming into the room, 85 00:04:34,180 --> 00:04:37,780 doctors, they seem very important talking about things. 86 00:04:37,860 --> 00:04:39,980 They were kind of joking with me. 87 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:41,340 They knew obviously what was going on. 88 00:04:41,340 --> 00:04:45,420 I didn't know and then kind of probably sat at the back of my 89 00:04:45,420 --> 00:04:48,500 mind for many, many years. The point that I always the 90 00:04:48,500 --> 00:04:51,180 person that when someone had problem, they used to come to me 91 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:53,220 or what should I do? And I said, I know you should do 92 00:04:53,260 --> 00:04:56,980 this and that and you know I've. Learned that the power. 93 00:04:56,980 --> 00:05:01,100 Of asking questions to people and then to basically see and. 94 00:05:01,300 --> 00:05:03,700 Listen, which is great. Yeah, Yeah. 95 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:05,980 And it's very interesting. OK. 96 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:10,180 So Fast forward to you end up going to nursing. 97 00:05:10,180 --> 00:05:12,420 School and you went in nursing school in Italy? 98 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:13,980 I did, yeah. OK. 99 00:05:14,140 --> 00:05:18,100 And then you decide you started a business in Italy for nurse or 100 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,340 what did you do in Italy is your side household business? 101 00:05:20,340 --> 00:05:24,940 So basically I started, I finished nursing my college 102 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,820 degree, my bachelor and I sat with two other colleagues and 103 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:31,380 says, Rosha with, you know, everyone is going into the 104 00:05:31,420 --> 00:05:35,580 hospital, Evan is going to this job, I don't think is the right 105 00:05:35,660 --> 00:05:38,900 path. And then we were chatting about 106 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:42,220 it a lot of yes, no, yes, no. And we decided why should now we 107 00:05:42,220 --> 00:05:46,060 launch? Nurse led, which it was a new 108 00:05:46,100 --> 00:05:48,060 thing. Italy is a very different 109 00:05:48,060 --> 00:05:51,420 environment for healthcare. It's very doctor led. 110 00:05:51,740 --> 00:05:54,700 So he's always a doctor in charge of everything that you 111 00:05:54,700 --> 00:05:57,700 don't have nurse practitioners. It's very, it's very different. 112 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:01,220 The nurse does a lot, but it hasn't got much room and 113 00:06:01,220 --> 00:06:05,780 capacity to do things, you know, without the doctor overseeing 114 00:06:05,780 --> 00:06:07,900 everything. So we decided to go into the 115 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:12,620 community to start offering like home care nursing. 116 00:06:12,740 --> 00:06:17,140 We started with partnering up with therapist Now they even 117 00:06:17,140 --> 00:06:19,060 expanded. I left down the line, but now 118 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:22,420 they have, I think midwives, they offer sumac. 119 00:06:22,740 --> 00:06:26,460 It's coming up like a massive business and I'm so happy for 120 00:06:26,460 --> 00:06:29,380 them. For me back then it was 121 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:32,940 fulfilling, but I felt the world is such a big place. 122 00:06:32,940 --> 00:06:36,520 I wanted to explore more. Yeah and and my girlfriend the 123 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:41,200 time with now is my wife decided to get in like a trip and says 124 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,360 let's go on holiday and on vacation and we go to Ireland 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,120 which was something that always said oh I love Ireland, I don't 126 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,240 know why but let's go And we went to to Dublin. 127 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,880 We stayed for about a week, fell in love with the city and says 128 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,960 why, why don't we move here? And she says. 129 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,560 What? No way, I says. 130 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,640 Yes. Let's do it. 131 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:04,260 I didn't have you know. An idea of how we work, what to 132 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:17,700 do. I don't know. 133 00:07:04,620 --> 00:07:07,740 So I started digging into bridging my registration to 134 00:07:07,740 --> 00:07:11,460 their council and everything around it. 135 00:07:11,460 --> 00:07:15,180 And then obviously the big question is, would I be able to 136 00:07:15,180 --> 00:07:19,140 work in an English? So let's talk Italian. 137 00:07:19,340 --> 00:07:21,100 Yeah, exactly. So I started like this, 138 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:24,620 intensive courses around the city, my hometown city, back 139 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:28,230 home and. Well, I said I'm ready, let's 140 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:29,470 go. So we went. 141 00:07:29,470 --> 00:07:32,070 It's fairly easy for us because we are a European. 142 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:34,870 So with the European committee you can fairly move yourself 143 00:07:34,870 --> 00:07:39,470 around so you don't have to do much and it's just a submit 144 00:07:39,470 --> 00:07:41,430 documentation, pay a fee and wait. 145 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:43,270 It's like moving between states here. 146 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:44,470 It's very safe. Yeah, exactly. 147 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:46,190 Yeah. And. 148 00:07:46,750 --> 00:07:50,870 I then started looking for jobs. I applied for the first job and 149 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:53,950 I remember it was like a private hospital with a sort of a 150 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:59,230 medical generic floor. I sit at the interview. 151 00:07:59,230 --> 00:08:01,710 I have these three people in front of me and they started 152 00:08:01,710 --> 00:08:04,750 asking me questions for who is not familiar. 153 00:08:04,750 --> 00:08:08,960 The Irish accent is very strong. And I remember looking at them 154 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,120 and says what are they talking about? 155 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Fairly no English. Yeah, I don't know. 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,320 Yeah. I thought I did, but I, you 157 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,680 know, I could like kind of float around questions and give like 158 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,800 specific questions answering to specific question. 159 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,200 But it wasn't very very you know direct to answering them. 160 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,560 I think every manager yeah they're imagine stopped me and 161 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,039 says can I tell you something I said of course. 162 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,240 But I says I don't think we'll ever. 163 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,640 Employ you to work in the. He said, And I said what? 164 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,000 So wait, they said they wouldn't even employ? 165 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,520 You to work in their kitchen and you're a nurse. 166 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Wow, I'm a nerd and I thought there we are. 167 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,040 Challenge accepted. Exactly. 168 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,640 I'm a very positive person and I think I laughed. 169 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:57,600 Back then, and I said. OK, I went home and talked to my 170 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,320 girlfriend, wife and I say wife and I said, you know they. 171 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,590 Told me this. So we have two options. 172 00:09:03,790 --> 00:09:07,350 Either we grab and we cast the first flight and we go back home 173 00:09:07,350 --> 00:09:11,030 and we continue with our life to we do something about it and 174 00:09:11,030 --> 00:09:12,830 guess what? We did something about it. 175 00:09:12,950 --> 00:09:16,590 I went to intensive English classes. 176 00:09:16,590 --> 00:09:20,390 I started looking into it. I even took the IELTS test, 177 00:09:20,390 --> 00:09:23,510 which is like an academic test, which wasn't even required just 178 00:09:23,510 --> 00:09:26,110 to test where I was. It went very well. 179 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:29,270 And then I applied for a job in MECU. 180 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:34,510 And the reason why is because this big hospital was advertised 181 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:36,550 everywhere, it seems like so nice. 182 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:41,310 And I thought within myself, I don't have a critical background 183 00:09:41,310 --> 00:09:43,750 yet. I guess everyone is talking 184 00:09:43,750 --> 00:09:48,150 about going to medical, go into this Med search, do this two 185 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:50,990 years, lay on the ropes and then go wherever you want. 186 00:09:50,990 --> 00:09:53,350 And I he did it, yeah, he did. It resonate with me. 187 00:09:53,830 --> 00:09:56,190 And I said I'll go for the NICU and like I said. 188 00:09:56,430 --> 00:09:59,240 Are you sure? It's like intense, I said. 189 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:02,400 Yeah, I mean, I applied. I asked some questions. 190 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,120 They are happy to provide training. 191 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,280 They're gonna slowly go through things with me. 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Let's go for it. So I remember going in for my 193 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,960 first interview and I was sitting in this waiting area. 194 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,480 It's full of people. And I started asking questions. 195 00:10:16,020 --> 00:10:18,380 And so, where are you? What you do? 196 00:10:18,380 --> 00:10:19,460 What's your background? They were. 197 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:23,180 All Irish. Native speakers and I said, here 198 00:10:23,180 --> 00:10:26,420 we are again. I'm the only foreigner and I 199 00:10:26,420 --> 00:10:30,340 started hearing a little bit of process, but then because I knew 200 00:10:30,340 --> 00:10:35,500 that English wasn't still my. Sort of strength, yeah. 201 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:37,300 I did. I did something that I learned 202 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:38,500 down the line to do all the time. 203 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,940 I passed for a job. I dig so deep into the history 204 00:10:41,940 --> 00:10:45,220 of the hospital, the unit I knew everything. 205 00:10:45,220 --> 00:10:48,180 I knew I knew all the credentials of the unit. 206 00:10:48,220 --> 00:10:52,100 I knew all the I even knew the days and the times of the 207 00:10:52,100 --> 00:10:55,500 medical rounds. I I downloaded PDF. 208 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:57,940 I downloaded everything from the news. 209 00:10:57,980 --> 00:11:01,060 I lost the HR to send me some information about the hospital 210 00:11:01,060 --> 00:11:02,540 was coming. I knew everything. 211 00:11:02,890 --> 00:11:06,170 And I created a sort of, a sort of a presentation, sort of. 212 00:11:06,210 --> 00:11:08,730 It wasn't even a presentation. I realized that down the line. 213 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:10,650 It was a presentation, but it was not my intent. 214 00:11:11,650 --> 00:11:14,570 And I started talking about things and I remember that the 215 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:18,130 nurse manager saying, well, you know, in 20 years of career I've 216 00:11:18,210 --> 00:11:21,210 never heard everybody. Knowing you know when the 217 00:11:21,210 --> 00:11:23,930 medical. Round happens and you know. 218 00:11:24,010 --> 00:11:25,250 Of course you hired. You. 219 00:11:25,610 --> 00:11:28,130 Yeah, they knew. I knew when they were by 220 00:11:28,130 --> 00:11:31,450 credential for I think they had. I don't remember now. 221 00:11:31,450 --> 00:11:34,650 It's called gold. It's basically when you hit the 222 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,570 target, when the matters breastfeeds enough babies, they 223 00:11:37,570 --> 00:11:41,170 get this cold and credentialed. Yeah, sometimes. 224 00:11:41,170 --> 00:11:42,450 I don't remember, it's been too long. 225 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:44,210 But then they said, yeah, you're hired. 226 00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:45,610 And I said what? Yes. 227 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:47,970 Then I started. Yes, mission accepted. 228 00:11:49,050 --> 00:11:51,050 Yeah, you worked in Ireland. I know you hopped over to 229 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:53,090 England. So then, what brought you to the 230 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:55,730 United States? Well, England was my. 231 00:11:56,220 --> 00:12:00,220 Bridging between the states were like back of my mind once again 232 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:02,100 since I was 16. I always said I want to go to 233 00:12:02,100 --> 00:12:03,660 the States. I don't know how, I don't know 234 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:06,700 when I'll end up there. England was is what give has 235 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:10,140 given me everything from the nursing point of view because I 236 00:12:10,140 --> 00:12:12,700 did all the roles. I started as a catlab nurse, 237 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:15,100 which had once again is because of my dad passing with 238 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,260 cardamopathy. So I thought that I was their 239 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:19,100 way. But I realized that thinking 240 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:22,220 about it while I was in NICU, there's a process behind it. 241 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:26,920 And then I became like director of two departments. 242 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,840 I I work as a clinical nurse specialist in our failure 243 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 running my own clinics, which is basically a nurse practitioner 244 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:35,000 that works under the supervision of a doctor which is in a 245 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,640 different room in the same hospital. 246 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,000 You can basically actually down to trade medication and then it 247 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,120 gets signs them off. So I. 248 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,200 I did everything and then I applied for a job in the US with 249 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,880 my background and history that says, yes, we'll give you the 250 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,560 green. So I plan. 251 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,870 For the process. The problem is, between me 252 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:57,230 applying and then me getting here, COVID hit, so everything 253 00:12:57,230 --> 00:13:01,630 got delayed a little bit, yeah. And then that's when I reached 254 00:13:01,630 --> 00:13:06,230 burn out and it came out of nowhere, so I wasn't even. 255 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:09,460 I was happy. And I was, I thought I was happy 256 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:12,700 that's that's probably a rephrase that and then I got 257 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:15,500 floated around. I end up working in COVID units. 258 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,180 I had to deal with situation. I wasn't raised. 259 00:13:18,180 --> 00:13:20,060 This is in England. In England. 260 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:22,860 And that's when I reached fair enough and says, oh wow, what 261 00:13:22,860 --> 00:13:25,860 shall I? And I remember sitting in the 262 00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:27,820 car. Crying and I said I've never 263 00:13:27,820 --> 00:13:30,100 cried before and I work what I'm doing. 264 00:13:30,460 --> 00:13:33,340 Which is basically. Now thinking about it's like 265 00:13:33,340 --> 00:13:35,020 having emotions is actually normal. 266 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:37,310 It should be normalized, yes, yes. 267 00:13:37,950 --> 00:13:39,830 Yes, yes. Like having those, like 268 00:13:39,990 --> 00:13:43,190 outbursts of energy that's actually healthy for your 269 00:13:43,190 --> 00:13:47,350 Parasympic nervous system is to like have those just fits of 270 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:50,070 crying because it just lets out the pressure. 271 00:13:50,350 --> 00:13:52,830 And it's that release valve, right, To just kind of give you 272 00:13:52,830 --> 00:13:56,670 instapot, the release valve on an instapot, like, you know, you 273 00:13:56,670 --> 00:13:58,470 hit it at all. The steam blows out of the 274 00:13:58,470 --> 00:14:00,590 instapot, it really is that same thing. 275 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:03,710 So it's actually good. And that's not something to even 276 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:05,910 laugh or squag at. It's like, it's sad. 277 00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:09,110 It like, it hurts my heart to hear you just like so like the 278 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:11,910 nursing could just bring you to this point of like complete 279 00:14:11,950 --> 00:14:15,550 burnout where you're just sitting in a car sobbing over 280 00:14:15,550 --> 00:14:19,830 your career COVID and what it did to nurses and just break. 281 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:23,230 Bringing us to the breaking point is something that again 282 00:14:23,230 --> 00:14:26,670 like I said is just breaks my heart to hear that, like it just 283 00:14:26,670 --> 00:14:30,190 got so bad that that's where people were, were ending up. 284 00:14:30,470 --> 00:14:34,700 But I love so much about your story is about the resiliency 285 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:37,980 that you described throughout these different spots in your 286 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:39,940 career. And then you know, again here 287 00:14:39,940 --> 00:14:42,580 you are trying to come to the United States and boom, COVID 288 00:14:42,580 --> 00:14:44,700 hits. And so it's like, OK, great, 289 00:14:44,700 --> 00:14:46,740 like here. We are got another challenge I 290 00:14:46,740 --> 00:14:49,620 have to navigate in order to get to this next spot. 291 00:14:49,860 --> 00:14:52,500 And so when you were describing, I was listening to your story, 292 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:55,940 it just kept coming back. This theme kept surfacing as you 293 00:14:55,940 --> 00:14:59,340 were talking of this dude is so resilient. 294 00:14:59,340 --> 00:15:03,690 He just he he takes a licking and he keeps on coming back like 295 00:15:03,930 --> 00:15:07,130 and that got me looking and thinking about the resiliency 296 00:15:07,130 --> 00:15:11,370 mindset of nurses and how what does that look like to be 297 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:13,650 resilient because what you describe in all these different 298 00:15:13,650 --> 00:15:17,810 spots in your career is systems that are really broken, right. 299 00:15:17,810 --> 00:15:21,290 Like we saw how broken the healthcare system was with 300 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:24,410 COVID, right? And we saw at different times 301 00:15:24,410 --> 00:15:27,330 when you would go from different hospitals in your story, how 302 00:15:27,330 --> 00:15:30,550 they would say things to you. That was like, did we really say 303 00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:32,750 that to someone? Like, did we really like instead 304 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:36,070 of encouraging people, instead of finding moments to build you 305 00:15:36,070 --> 00:15:39,430 up, we kind of tear you down and you have to find that within 306 00:15:39,430 --> 00:15:41,510 yourself. And so, like we were talking 307 00:15:41,510 --> 00:15:45,070 before the podcast, I really want to inspire nurses. 308 00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:50,460 Yes, we work in a broken system, but how do we develop 309 00:15:50,460 --> 00:15:52,620 resiliency? What does that look like? 310 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:55,380 Because I believe the broken system is what brings about the 311 00:15:55,380 --> 00:15:56,940 burnout. But how do we create the 312 00:15:56,940 --> 00:16:01,580 resiliency to move about in a broken system for our benefit, 313 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:04,230 to prevent that burnout that sets in? 314 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:06,790 And so I'll let you finish up your story, but then I wanted to 315 00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:09,510 break into that a little bit and maybe we can share some ways 316 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,670 that you feel like are good techniques to help build 317 00:16:12,670 --> 00:16:14,750 resiliency. And yeah, that's kind of where 318 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:16,310 we'll take it. But if you're just tell me a 319 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:18,230 little bit more about your story and then we'll break into that 320 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:20,390 and then yeah, we'll kind of finish up that. 321 00:16:20,510 --> 00:16:24,430 Yeah, actually that nicely slides into what I was about to 322 00:16:24,430 --> 00:16:27,830 say because when I was there crying and then. 323 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:30,770 How you still my old self think who I'm crying? 324 00:16:30,770 --> 00:16:31,930 I'm a man. I'm in the car. 325 00:16:31,930 --> 00:16:34,570 What am I doing? You know, all this is security. 326 00:16:35,930 --> 00:16:37,170 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 327 00:16:37,250 --> 00:16:38,730 And I hung myself. And I think you know. 328 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:41,930 Once again I thought I've done it so many times. 329 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:46,290 I have always two options is like do nothing about it and 330 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:49,650 keep complaining or do something about it and change where you 331 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:52,250 want to go. Yes, and that is always, but it 332 00:16:52,250 --> 00:16:54,970 does count. The resilience is the resilient. 333 00:16:55,470 --> 00:17:00,590 Self that always surface up. And then I started, I opened 334 00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:02,670 Spotify first time ever in my life. 335 00:17:02,670 --> 00:17:04,230 I didn't even know the podcast section. 336 00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:06,109 I looked podcast and that's what I need to do. 337 00:17:06,550 --> 00:17:10,190 And I found this podcast about this big podcast about mindset 338 00:17:10,190 --> 00:17:12,630 and I started listening to it and I started every day and 339 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:15,510 that's something shifted in me and that's great what you said 340 00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:17,430 about the system, the system is broken. 341 00:17:17,430 --> 00:17:19,630 The system has problem everything else in the world. 342 00:17:20,030 --> 00:17:22,069 But what we can do, we can change ourselves. 343 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:26,089 And then if we change ourselves, everything else around us looks. 344 00:17:27,050 --> 00:17:30,210 Yeah. So, yeah, that's the big thing. 345 00:17:30,970 --> 00:17:36,410 And sometimes I hear people in the corridors over the years and 346 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:38,250 I don't like this. I don't like that. 347 00:17:38,250 --> 00:17:39,170 So. What are you doing? 348 00:17:39,170 --> 00:17:41,090 About it, keep complaining about it. 349 00:17:41,090 --> 00:17:43,610 It's gonna keep bringing your energy levels down, It's gonna 350 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:49,280 keep like share the same. Problems without a solution, you 351 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,360 know. And complaining without solution 352 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:53,400 is like doesn't really resume with me. 353 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,480 So I kindly always step away from that and thank you very 354 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,000 much. So that's where I started 355 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,720 exploring more healing sort of techniques. 356 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,040 And then my favorite one is meditation. 357 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,920 But meditation has to come from a place of. 358 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,880 I understand what's going on first, because it's like. 359 00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:14,770 Okay. You can change something, but 360 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:17,570 what do you need to change so that everything. 361 00:18:17,810 --> 00:18:21,810 I guess in my opinion everything kind of fits together from the 362 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:25,450 point of view of having like the strong wise or knowing where 363 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:27,250 you're going, why you want to go there. 364 00:18:27,650 --> 00:18:30,690 No way getting to down and write the plans of journaling. 365 00:18:30,770 --> 00:18:33,370 It's very important. So like putting on paper because 366 00:18:33,370 --> 00:18:35,650 it's like having this big math problem. 367 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:38,770 If I'll tell you solve me this problem, would you write it down 368 00:18:38,770 --> 00:18:41,890 or would you think you know automatically in your head you 369 00:18:41,890 --> 00:18:45,010 know so that's the same for. Our brain is a beautiful 370 00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:46,450 machine. It's a calculator. 371 00:18:46,450 --> 00:18:48,730 It likes to solve problems, but you have to give the right 372 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:52,370 problems to the brain first. So if you write it down and you 373 00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:55,210 start writing about I wanna get there. 374 00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:57,590 How? And then you write down steps. 375 00:18:57,590 --> 00:19:00,310 It doesn't have to be perfect because perfection is a big 376 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,430 fiction and doesn't exist. It has to be like functional. 377 00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:05,950 That's what I like. And then you start thinking, 378 00:19:05,950 --> 00:19:08,510 okay, I need to do a BCDEFG. Okay. 379 00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:09,990 So the B doesn't resonate with me. 380 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:11,510 What can I do? An alternative. 381 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:14,390 And then you start digging around and you start planning 382 00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:17,390 and then you try. And what shifted for me, and 383 00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:22,270 I've built up the resilient myself that I love, is seeing 384 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:25,910 challenges and anything that goes wrong. 385 00:19:26,350 --> 00:19:28,670 As a golden opportunity in the past I used. 386 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:32,030 I used to. Fear and run away from oh this 387 00:19:32,030 --> 00:19:34,110 is not going to work. I'm not going to try it, but. 388 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:36,910 How do you know? If you don't even try, you know, 389 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:39,790 what can you learn about it? You know, I've started and tried 390 00:19:39,790 --> 00:19:43,670 so many things, but then I sit down and think, okay, it didn't 391 00:19:43,670 --> 00:19:44,350 work. Why? 392 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:48,430 And what actually brought me that journey, What this brought 393 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:51,030 me and what's is teaching me for the next level. 394 00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:56,510 That's how you evolve basically. And and meditation is massive in 395 00:19:56,510 --> 00:19:58,550 my life. It's a non negotiable time. 396 00:19:58,550 --> 00:20:02,350 I wake up every morning, every morning, at 434 thirty am, 397 00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:05,990 regardless Monday to Sunday. And I feel so. 398 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:09,070 Popped up. Because I do my meditation, I do 399 00:20:09,070 --> 00:20:13,310 my reading, I do my routine, Everyone is asleep in the house. 400 00:20:13,310 --> 00:20:16,470 So I do have my me time. I do my linking. 401 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,800 And then I go off to work when I started in my new role and I 402 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,840 started telling everybody I wake up at 1st 30, everyone started 403 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,200 saying, what are you sick? And I says no, I'm very, I'm 404 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,400 very healed actually. What about you? 405 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,440 And then I do my day and then I come home. 406 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,600 I kind of not every day. I don't sit every day, just 407 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,520 write down about what happened throughout the day. 408 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,360 Sometimes I do it, sometimes I just chat with my wife about it. 409 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,080 But it comes always from a point of what can I learn about it. 410 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,440 That's not a tip if the people. Has a family or have children. 411 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:53,000 What we love to do is we sit at the table and then we talk about 412 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,680 what's was for us. The grass, the cloud and the 413 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,120 mud. I love. 414 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,360 This. 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We would love to have you guys 425 00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:37,460 check out our merge or refer our shop to someone who you think 426 00:21:37,460 --> 00:21:40,620 would enjoy the content. If you guys are liking this 427 00:21:40,620 --> 00:21:44,380 podcast, please give me five stars on Apple Podcast any. 428 00:21:44,750 --> 00:21:48,070 Love that you throw at me. Helps keep my audience engaged, 429 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:50,870 keeps people coming to check out what we're creating here. 430 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:55,030 Thanks for being a part of our community and consuming the 431 00:21:55,030 --> 00:21:58,270 content on my podcast, and let's get back to the conversation. 432 00:21:59,390 --> 00:22:02,110 Yeah, she's 6 and she loves it. So we sit down. 433 00:22:02,150 --> 00:22:05,550 She always want to go 1st and says the grass for me was and 434 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:11,580 she can say something that. It was OK, but no, extremely 435 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,700 well then. Cloud is something that brings 436 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:16,620 her like so much happiness, something that really made a 437 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:19,260 difference for today. And the mud is something that 438 00:22:19,660 --> 00:22:22,420 didn't go as planned. But then it doesn't stop there. 439 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:25,340 What can you do then to not let that affect you? 440 00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:28,820 And I love it because I can see her in what she says, what, how 441 00:22:28,820 --> 00:22:31,340 she reacts to the situation. That is a reflection of us. 442 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:34,660 And then this is cool. That's a big thing. 443 00:22:34,660 --> 00:22:37,780 That for us helped a lot, especially with her moving. 444 00:22:37,860 --> 00:22:41,820 Across different countries that's helped a lot going back 445 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:44,500 to the resilience, you know self and the healing. 446 00:22:44,860 --> 00:22:47,300 I think there's a lot of things together that people can do. 447 00:22:47,300 --> 00:22:53,100 But meditation is a is a big one and and a lot that's most people 448 00:22:53,100 --> 00:22:56,700 think about meditation like this monk on the top of a pig and 449 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,140 then thinking but it's not like that. 450 00:22:58,580 --> 00:23:00,420 It's anybody can do it, you know? 451 00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:05,460 And there's so many options and it's so personal and then I love 452 00:23:05,460 --> 00:23:07,300 it. Well, what I love and you what 453 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:09,700 you just. Described is that you're you're 454 00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:11,340 giving this knowledge to your child. 455 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:14,940 So how much far ahead of of the game will she be just by having 456 00:23:14,940 --> 00:23:17,140 processed this as a little one? I love that. 457 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:20,380 And I love that you're creating that environment in your home 458 00:23:20,380 --> 00:23:23,340 and you're creating that mindset so that when she is older, she's 459 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:26,820 already got these synaptic, you know, connections in her brain 460 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:29,580 that, yes, that was hard, but it's not forever. 461 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:32,780 And this is just a moment and there was an opportunity in that 462 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:34,980 and to keep looking and keeping that mindset. 463 00:23:35,530 --> 00:23:38,130 From that and then I guess to kind of, I want to make sure I 464 00:23:38,130 --> 00:23:41,570 closeout your story that you've got, you know, the, you know, 465 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:44,690 you're in the UK, you have this moment, you know your breakdown. 466 00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:46,850 You're like, OK, that's it. I need to create a new mindset 467 00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:50,410 around my career and my job. And then you come over to the 468 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:53,050 United States, you get a job here, you transition from 469 00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:55,490 working in England, the UK, now you're working in the United 470 00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:56,890 States. I had to be a lot better than 471 00:23:56,890 --> 00:23:58,890 coming from Italy to Ireland but. 472 00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:01,370 Because you're able to speak. The language and then living 473 00:24:01,370 --> 00:24:04,570 here in the United States and you've launching this program to 474 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:06,890 help? With mindset shifts with nurses 475 00:24:06,890 --> 00:24:09,210 and teaching them that, what are some of the things that you've 476 00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:12,490 been finding in your podcast journey and kind of that whole 477 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:17,130 new leg of your career? So, well, yes, moving to the US, 478 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:21,690 it's been a big change again but mitigated, but as you said me 479 00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:23,770 moving first to Ireland in England, so. 480 00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:27,380 There are so many similarities and obviously it's always 481 00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:30,460 adjusting, but it's you. You do it from a point of 482 00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:31,900 experience. You know, you know what to 483 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:34,340 expect. The Social Security is just 484 00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:37,460 called in a different way. The building up your credit 485 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:39,700 score is just different, but it's the same, you know, all 486 00:24:39,700 --> 00:24:41,660 these things that are not used anymore. 487 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:44,740 And yes, I created the whole life journey. 488 00:24:44,740 --> 00:24:46,540 That's how I like to call it because. 489 00:24:46,580 --> 00:24:49,110 And I work. I don't want one. 490 00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:52,310 I'm planning now to launch a sort of a membership to make it 491 00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:55,550 more accessible to everybody. Because what I did, I can, I 492 00:24:55,550 --> 00:24:59,470 think what is being done once can be done billions of time by 493 00:24:59,710 --> 00:25:02,110 anybody. It's just sitting down taking 494 00:25:02,110 --> 00:25:05,030 the time and then actually take the actions to do it and make it 495 00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:08,030 happen. And we never have to forget that 496 00:25:08,030 --> 00:25:11,230 our thoughts drive our feeling, our feeling drive our thoughts, 497 00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:14,670 and eventually that hard wires our subconscious patterns to do 498 00:25:14,670 --> 00:25:16,590 something. And then that's. 499 00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:19,770 Everything comes after, you know one after another. 500 00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,970 I like to to teach my that little one these things because 501 00:25:22,970 --> 00:25:26,730 we are what we've been told the first seven years of life and 502 00:25:26,970 --> 00:25:30,850 yes and and then basically that can change. 503 00:25:30,850 --> 00:25:33,410 We have external things that we can control like school, 504 00:25:33,410 --> 00:25:36,050 environment and everything. But we are so important for our 505 00:25:36,050 --> 00:25:40,370 kids and what we tell them. Hardwire them in reacting, then 506 00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:44,170 in life to, you know, different situation in different ways. 507 00:25:44,790 --> 00:25:50,510 And and it's better to tell them from day one how to deal with 508 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:53,870 that than having them to heal down the line as I did. 509 00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:57,510 So which is possible but obviously it's easier if you 510 00:25:57,510 --> 00:26:00,030 have a guy or somebody that that's gone, has been there 511 00:26:00,030 --> 00:26:03,710 before and says well you know, I'm not going to tell you that 512 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:06,670 because that's this can lead to this, this disbelief that any 513 00:26:06,670 --> 00:26:09,910 life can affect, affect you down the line and then can be very 514 00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:14,520 toxic so. Yeah, the podcast has been a 515 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,120 blessing. I'm connecting with so many 516 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,160 people. I'm talking about these things 517 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,640 nonstop. And then what I found is a lot 518 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520 of people that wants to go into business force the process. 519 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,080 So I have to, in six months duties. 520 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400 It's all about following followers. 521 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,080 No, it's about being intentional and loving the process. 522 00:26:36,500 --> 00:26:38,980 I'm falling, yeah. I'm falling in love with the 523 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:43,380 process of where I'm getting. I don't care how. 524 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:46,580 When it's like, you know what you need to do. 525 00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:50,100 You are, I mean, joining it and I'll do it every day. 526 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,780 And then let's see what the universe brings in the life. 527 00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:55,500 I love that. And I love that you are being 528 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:58,380 intentional and you're following the and you're enjoying the 529 00:26:58,380 --> 00:27:00,620 journey because those are things that I talk about all the time. 530 00:27:00,620 --> 00:27:04,300 My podcast I I end with that line because it's true like. 531 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,440 It is so much in nursing about when I become a BSN, when I 532 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,840 become an RN, when I become a nurse practitioner, when I 533 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,800 become, when I become, when I become this thing. 534 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,520 And you're delaying this sense of contentment and happiness 535 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,000 until you get to this mountaintop and then when you 536 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,320 get there, I mean, when you get to the end of the mountain, you 537 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,760 just go, OK, now what next? You constantly have this. 538 00:27:27,130 --> 00:27:30,490 Lack of fulfillment and enjoyment and and and again I've 539 00:27:30,490 --> 00:27:32,570 read the story and I've heard Michael Phelps right. 540 00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:35,610 He's just incredibly accomplished swimmer and he's 541 00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:39,930 multiple Olympics and multiple medals and this one medal have 542 00:27:39,930 --> 00:27:43,250 50 and he's got all these medals and he says at the end of his 543 00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:46,570 last Olympics he went into a deep depression afterwards 544 00:27:46,570 --> 00:27:50,090 because he said I got there and I said now what? 545 00:27:50,530 --> 00:27:53,610 And So what you need to be doing again is enjoying the journey of 546 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:56,370 your career, enjoying as you're walking through all these steps. 547 00:27:56,690 --> 00:27:59,250 And taking time to take inventory of what's going on 548 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:01,410 around you. Because you dreamed of being in 549 00:28:01,410 --> 00:28:04,290 this spot at one point, and now you're here, dreaming about 550 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,850 being someplace else and not enjoying where you are. 551 00:28:07,410 --> 00:28:09,730 So. I want to talk really briefly 552 00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:11,690 about, and I know that was a little diatribe, but I want to 553 00:28:11,770 --> 00:28:15,770 describe what burnout is, I want to define what resiliency is, 554 00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:19,170 and then I want to describe why it's important for healthcare 555 00:28:19,170 --> 00:28:23,820 systems in particular to stop. Stop burnout or to promote 556 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:27,220 resiliency in their employees. So I love the and we'll just 557 00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:29,460 start with the definition. Burnout describes a human 558 00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:32,500 response to chronic emotional and interpersonal stress at 559 00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,380 work, and it's defined by exhaustion, cynicism, and 560 00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,220 inefficacy. Resiliency describes the 561 00:28:39,220 --> 00:28:44,580 personal process of protecting yourself from burnout through 562 00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:48,340 Adapting successfully in the face of adversity or significant 563 00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:50,660 threat involves building and developing. 564 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:54,420 In the IT supports systems to combat stressors and promote a 565 00:28:54,420 --> 00:28:57,380 culture of mutual openness and understanding to prevent 566 00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,780 burnout. And you develop resiliency by 567 00:28:59,780 --> 00:29:03,620 promoting environments within healthcare professions to reduce 568 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:06,980 negative and increase positive outcomes of stress in healthcare 569 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:09,060 professionals. And so I kind of wrote that down 570 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:12,620 and then writing down why it it's important because it 571 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:14,660 affects your ability to cope with challenges. 572 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:18,230 And it's got a lasting negative effect that you're we want to 573 00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:22,230 build resiliency so that you bend but you don't break, right. 574 00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:25,590 So resiliency develops from the lessons of learning about those 575 00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:26,710 things. And that's why I loved your 576 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:28,870 journey was because I helped keep hearing like your father 577 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:30,990 passing away. And there's a book and by 578 00:29:30,990 --> 00:29:34,190 Malcolm Gladwell that talks about David and Goliath and how 579 00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:37,750 the things that you think make you weak, like losing a parent 580 00:29:37,950 --> 00:29:40,350 sometimes can end up having the opposite effect of making you 581 00:29:40,350 --> 00:29:43,310 very strong. And so you end up becoming. 582 00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:46,830 Who you're supposed to be because of that not or in spite 583 00:29:46,830 --> 00:29:49,750 of that, not because of that, which I find very interesting. 584 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:52,070 And it's a really great book. David and Goliath by Malcolm 585 00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:55,190 Gladwell. And then surviving, healing and 586 00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:57,230 thriving, which are all things that you just talked about, 587 00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:59,590 right? Surviving the situation, 588 00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,990 learning how to heal, which is what you just talked about. 589 00:30:03,150 --> 00:30:05,950 And then how to from that healing do I now thrive And that 590 00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:08,510 increases your ability to be resilient. 591 00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:10,990 And so a couple other things we can talk about. 592 00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:14,310 Again, work life balance. That's something that I think 593 00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:17,750 really helps with increasing resiliency, personal development 594 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:20,350 and training. So if you're tired of your job 595 00:30:20,350 --> 00:30:23,590 going off and doing things that you enjoy inside of inside of 596 00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:26,750 your life to personally develop you, and that's where hospitals 597 00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:30,070 can come in here. So encourage the people that 598 00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:33,350 work in your systems to find things that they enjoy either 599 00:30:33,390 --> 00:30:36,190 within your system or outside of your system, so that they can. 600 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:40,060 Grow that resiliency and then again mental health resources 601 00:30:40,220 --> 00:30:44,700 and appreciating and recognizing what nurses do in their systems 602 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:48,860 to bring about change in healthcare and create this the 603 00:30:48,860 --> 00:30:53,100 system or create good care of their patients, I think are ways 604 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,900 that we can kind of combat that grow resiliency. 605 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:59,820 And I was going to share some books that people could read if 606 00:30:59,820 --> 00:31:02,620 they wanted to to grow their resiliency. 607 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:05,500 Did you have anything that you felt like was really good in 608 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:08,160 your growth? From that time and in England 609 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440 and COVID, I think you wanted to drop something. 610 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,840 What was that one? It's Becoming Supernatural by 611 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,720 Joe Dispenser. Oh, So what is this about? 612 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,120 This is, I would say, a Bible for self development. 613 00:31:19,530 --> 00:31:25,290 Yeah, it basically talks about how we can evolve and it goes I 614 00:31:25,290 --> 00:31:27,610 think for healthcare professional will love this one 615 00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:31,730 because it goes so much deep into brain waves. 616 00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:35,370 It talks about how it works. It talks about all these sort of 617 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:38,250 trials that they did. They work with the Harma 618 00:31:38,250 --> 00:31:41,290 Institute. They they like and it goes by 619 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:43,530 you know, it tells you how meditation is important, it's 620 00:31:43,730 --> 00:31:45,290 great. It's a greater source to 621 00:31:45,290 --> 00:31:49,410 understand how the body is connected so. 622 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:53,010 How our subconscious, our heart, our emotion, everything works 623 00:31:53,010 --> 00:31:55,010 together like a body mind and spirit. 624 00:31:55,410 --> 00:31:58,690 And once you get that sort of balance between your thoughts 625 00:31:58,690 --> 00:32:02,690 and your heart, you just kind of you are whole and then you are 626 00:32:02,730 --> 00:32:05,890 actually evolved and and it's amazing. 627 00:32:05,970 --> 00:32:09,170 You know it's a very strongly recommended book I. 628 00:32:09,490 --> 00:32:11,130 I will have to put it down. I'll have. 629 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:13,890 To read it for sure. And one of the books that I 630 00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:17,150 loved was grit. Which is the personal The Power 631 00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:19,630 of Passion and Perseverance by Angela Duckworth. 632 00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:23,390 That book is fabulous on how to develop resiliency. 633 00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:26,150 Talks a little bit about children and resilient children 634 00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:27,550 as well. So it's definitely very good 635 00:32:27,550 --> 00:32:29,070 read. And then another book was A 636 00:32:29,070 --> 00:32:31,310 Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankel. 637 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:33,510 That's another good book holiday survival. 638 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:37,190 Yeah, that's another great book. So again, like we understand 639 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:39,510 these concepts in nursing. And so I really wanted my 640 00:32:39,510 --> 00:32:42,410 podcast. Especially today, but just in 641 00:32:42,410 --> 00:32:47,130 general to be a focus in on we know the system's broken. 642 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,250 How do we rise above it? How do we create something 643 00:32:50,250 --> 00:32:53,410 beautiful out of the broken? And I think, you know, for my 644 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:56,290 faith, and I talk a lot about my faith on this podcast, but my 645 00:32:56,290 --> 00:32:58,410 faith really does talk about how God creates. 646 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Out of our brokenness something very beautiful and so that same 647 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,680 thing that's the concept of resiliency is just how do we 648 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,720 create something beautiful out of something that is broken. 649 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,880 And nurses do such a great job at creating in broken systems 650 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,320 with patients and and healthcare where we're just we're trying 651 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,840 our best to keep people as functional and optimal as we 652 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,880 can. We do our best to grow and 653 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,760 people beautiful things and that's why we're so trusted by 654 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,040 by patients because they know that's what we do. 655 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400 Nurses get in the trenches with you and they try to build 656 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,560 something beautiful. And so I just want that so much 657 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520 for our careers and for our lives. 658 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360 I think we've like exhausted this, this, you know, this 659 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,280 concept as much as we can. And I really want nurse 660 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,880 practitioners and nurses to hear this for sure. 661 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,160 And So what I always ask every nurse that's on my podcast is if 662 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,090 you could go back to Christian. At any stage, 10 year old 663 00:33:49,210 --> 00:33:52,850 bachelor's degree knows that you didn't buy the line of Med 664 00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:54,530 Surge. OK, you weren't that guy. 665 00:33:54,770 --> 00:33:56,610 If you could go back and tell him something at the beginning 666 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:59,250 of his career that you tell him to hold on to this because this 667 00:33:59,250 --> 00:34:01,610 is like everything. What would you tell him? 668 00:34:01,970 --> 00:34:04,970 Very short and very direct. Trust the process. 669 00:34:06,290 --> 00:34:10,810 Trust the process because because I guess we get. 670 00:34:11,210 --> 00:34:15,530 A lot of external inputs and we get a lot of people involved. 671 00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,050 I remember don't move to Ireland, do something in Italy 672 00:34:19,050 --> 00:34:23,210 or do this, do that by people that are not where you wanna be. 673 00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:29,770 So start to kind of vibes and learn how to match with people 674 00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:35,010 energetically and on their thoughts and learn where the 675 00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:39,130 person you are aspiring to become is and go. 676 00:34:39,630 --> 00:34:45,150 After it, without being too much affected by others opinions, 677 00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:48,429 that's people that are not there and that's what I would tell 678 00:34:48,429 --> 00:34:51,310 myself and I think I delayed things in my life because of 679 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:52,590 that. But once again, I'm grateful 680 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:54,429 because that led me to these thoughts. 681 00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:55,550 So. Yeah. 682 00:34:55,989 --> 00:34:58,510 And I think that's good. I think it's what you described 683 00:34:58,510 --> 00:35:00,350 too, is like not looking back with regret. 684 00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:02,670 I'd be like, man, I wish I would've done this differently. 685 00:35:02,670 --> 00:35:03,510 I wish I would've done that better. 686 00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:05,110 You almost did it right there. And then you were like, Nope. 687 00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:08,220 Capture that thought and you captured every single thought 688 00:35:08,220 --> 00:35:11,260 and you submit it and you put it under the power of what is true. 689 00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:13,420 And so you're like, Yep, those are moments. 690 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:16,540 And yeah, it wasn't ideal, but it brought me where I am today. 691 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:19,740 And so again, that process, again, you enjoyed the journey. 692 00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:21,820 You pay attention to what's going on around you. 693 00:35:21,820 --> 00:35:24,180 You're more present. And that's what we talked about 694 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:27,060 even when I was on your podcast about being present, being 695 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:30,620 there, taking that ability to being in that spot where you 696 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:33,260 have the time freedom so you can be present to. 697 00:35:33,780 --> 00:35:36,820 I think really does build resiliency, because if you're at 698 00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:41,060 work, but you know that you've structured your life to where 699 00:35:41,060 --> 00:35:44,140 you are present and you aren't missing all these little moments 700 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:46,740 with your children, then you can't be present at work. 701 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:49,140 You're not empty. You're not so empty that you're 702 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:53,620 pouring into other patients from your bottle that's completely 703 00:35:53,620 --> 00:35:54,820 tanked. I'm full. 704 00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:57,790 Because I'm doing the life and I'm living the life that I want 705 00:35:58,030 --> 00:36:01,190 so I can pour into others. And so again, just working from 706 00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:04,270 a place of fullness in your career instead of just empty 707 00:36:04,270 --> 00:36:06,750 exhaustion, I think is just great. 708 00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:09,670 So for the last part of the podcast Christian this is the 709 00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:11,150 rapid fire questions you can't prepare. 710 00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:12,670 You can't prepare I'm. Ready. 711 00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:15,830 All right. So, OK, I want to know, what are 712 00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:17,870 you most grateful for in the whole world? 713 00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:20,350 I would say myself and it sounds. 714 00:36:20,350 --> 00:36:25,990 Weird, yeah, because you just explained that Amazingly, if you 715 00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:29,790 feel the world and others from an over failed and overflowing 716 00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:33,070 cap, everyone else and everything else around you. 717 00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:36,700 Can benefit from it, my family and my daughter, which obviously 718 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,860 I'm extremely grateful, but it's myself. 719 00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:42,740 First is setting boundaries to be intentional and present for 720 00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:45,820 everyone else around which I can sound a little bit selfish, but 721 00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:48,500 it's not. It's like from a very good 722 00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:50,420 perspective I would say. Yeah. 723 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:54,220 So through all your traveling, I want to do something maybe 724 00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:58,820 traveling wise, what's the biggest difference between US 725 00:36:58,900 --> 00:37:02,780 and Europe that you feel like US does better than Europe? 726 00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:04,510 Or maybe. Yeah, I want to know that one. 727 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:09,110 And then we'll yeah. So here we do. 100 times better 728 00:37:09,230 --> 00:37:12,430 at giving people everybody's an opportunity to do something. 729 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:15,270 Oh, come on. Yeah, yeah. 730 00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:17,870 I can see. I came in on day one on my job. 731 00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:20,310 But they were all talking about what would you like to do next? 732 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:23,390 What what's your plan what can you work towards like a plan for 733 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:26,630 you to evolve And I thought what and in Europe is more like I've 734 00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:28,390 been in this position. For 25 years. 735 00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:31,430 So until I retire, maybe this role is not available. 736 00:37:31,470 --> 00:37:33,190 Not all the time, but most especially. 737 00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:36,270 In Italy, in England, England is more in line with here. 738 00:37:36,270 --> 00:37:38,870 You know, you get more opportunities, but not as many 739 00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:41,230 opportunities as in here. Guys, take listen. 740 00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:43,150 To what he just said. Absolutely. 741 00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:46,390 You are in the best country for opportunities. 742 00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:49,190 Yeah, there are opportunities abounding. 743 00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:51,950 There is no scarcity. There is no not enough. 744 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:54,790 He literally just said it. He's been all over. 745 00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:58,870 He's been a nurse all over and you are in the best place to 746 00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:02,190 grow and see opportunities and be thankful for that. 747 00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:04,020 Dang, that is so good. OK. 748 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,940 And then what does Europe have better, that we don't have 749 00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:07,420 better, that we could make better over here? 750 00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:10,900 Maybe food. Yeah, it's. 751 00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:12,460 I like you better food. Over. 752 00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:14,580 There. Yeah, I'm Italian, though I'm. 753 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:16,340 I'm biased. I'm biased now. 754 00:38:16,900 --> 00:38:19,820 No. And they all say the same thing. 755 00:38:17,140 --> 00:38:21,140 So I have a couple Italian. They're like, we eat way better 756 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:22,020 over there. I mean, we. 757 00:38:22,420 --> 00:38:24,900 Americans pump a ton of. Garbage in their food. 758 00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:25,860 So you know what? You're right. 759 00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:28,050 We we eat like. Like cows. 760 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:30,370 It's terrible, actually. We feed our cows better than we 761 00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:33,810 feed humans. Like I can find a positive in 762 00:38:33,810 --> 00:38:37,850 that there's so many options and opportunities around that we 763 00:38:37,850 --> 00:38:41,490 have the power to choose. So once again, you know. 764 00:38:41,970 --> 00:38:43,450 Back there, you're taking it back. 765 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:47,690 I love it. Christian mindset is everything. 766 00:38:47,730 --> 00:38:50,490 It's everything. Guys, where can people find you? 767 00:38:50,490 --> 00:38:53,010 Christian Share where they can find you, your podcasts or your 768 00:38:53,010 --> 00:38:54,050 stuff. Drop that. 769 00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:55,960 Shameless plug. Yes, yes. 770 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,800 So the Bind Set Nurse podcast on Spotify and everywhere else that 771 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,600 the podcasts are. I'm very active on LinkedIn. 772 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,720 That's my favorite platform and I'm now planning to start this 773 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,280 sort of membership where I'm gonna talk about all these 774 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,110 things. And I'm still like working on 775 00:39:12,110 --> 00:39:14,070 it. So whoever is interested and 776 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:17,070 wants to join us on this sort of waiting list, you know, I'll, 777 00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:20,310 I'll send you a link for that and then we can build things 778 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:23,390 together because I think as I said, as I done it, I can show 779 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:26,350 other people how to do it. And then it's not about the 780 00:39:26,350 --> 00:39:28,910 money, it's not about, it's about like being intentional and 781 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:31,030 being, you know, supportive of our community. 782 00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:33,390 That's my main goal. Guys, check him out. 783 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:34,830 I'll put all his links in the show notes. 784 00:39:35,110 --> 00:39:38,230 And honestly Christian, thank you for coming on today and 785 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:42,230 talking to me about resiliency and letting me kind of like veg 786 00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:44,990 out on it because I was so interested as again like when I 787 00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:48,470 read your bio, I was like that that just word just kept popping 788 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:50,470 up as you were talking. And I was like I've got to talk 789 00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:54,990 about this because I think again we've we want to focus in on the 790 00:39:54,990 --> 00:39:56,870 macro we we want to get you out of. 791 00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:58,910 Oh, this is, this is my roadblock. 792 00:39:58,910 --> 00:40:01,990 I want you to see that like the whole map and how you're going 793 00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:05,190 to end end up someplace good as long as you have your mindset 794 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:07,670 there. And so guys, thanks for hanging 795 00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:10,910 out with me on today's podcast. And don't forget to enjoy the 796 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:13,190 journey of your career. Thanks for coming on, Christian. 797 00:40:13,630 --> 00:40:15,510 All right, guys, take care. I'm going to hit. 798 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:34,100 So that's a wrap. 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