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Hi there. 
My name is dr. 

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Presenta, and I'm the host of 
the doctor nurse podcast. 

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I'm an advanced nurse 
practitioner and I want to be 

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your guide into the world of 
nursing professions. 

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This podcast is a platform for 
nurses to share their Journeys 

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as they made their way in the 
diverse field of nursing as 

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either entrepreneurs, Academia 
private, practice or even the 

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corporate world. 
I think we should celebrate just

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how diverse the field of nursing
is through mentoring one. 

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Another, with the stories of our
career. 

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Our Journeys, nothing is too 
mundane because each journey is 

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unique. 
This podcast will showcase 

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career options to encourage 
nurses to view their degrees 

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with a business mindset. 
After all we work in the 

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healthcare business and 
ultimately I hope I might 

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inspire you to make a change. 
If you're looking for something 

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different, I am motivated to see
you live, your best, nursing 

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life and that looks different 
for everyone. 

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Thanks for joining me on today's
podcast. 

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And let's get started with 
today's guests. 

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Hi, doctor nurse podcast. 
Welcome today, we have a special

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guest. 
Theo Jones, senior, received his

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bachelor's degree from surgery 
under Douglas College in 2014 

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where he worked as an ICU nurse 
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nurse. 
He then pursued his Masters of 

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Science in nursing at 
Chamberlain University and March

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of 2018, he is currently 
launched in runs the And white 

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coat, concierge LLC since 2018 
and has worked in Internal 

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Medicine as a nurse practitioner
hospitalist, I believe you have 

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your master's degree in family 
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Yeah. 
Okay he began his career with an

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acute pain. 
Fellowship at MedStar Georgetown

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hospital and later managing the 
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several sites and the North 
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Welcome. 
The that is not all you're 

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doing. 
You've got a whole bunch of 

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other stuff too. 
So, Side stuff. 

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So we will get into all your 
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All the things that you're doing
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So, let's Dive Right In Your 
Ready. 

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Yes, dude. 
All right, so I just explained 

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cutting your backstory but I 
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on a day-to-day basis. 
What's your days look like? 

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How do you define yourself as 
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Sure, on a day-to-day basis. 
I'm a lot of different things. 

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I guess the best description is 
the entrepreneur. 

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So on a day-to-day basis are 
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The first thing I do in the 
morning, which is meet with my 

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assistant, kind of outline, what
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I'm reviewing the patient logs 
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there's any patients that 
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All right, I go through a lot of
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Mostly good workout meditation. 
I joined the 5 a.m. 

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Club recently saw him and I'm 
loving it. 

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That's a great book. 
By the way, people should read 

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that after that. 
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actually teach to. 
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and if there's anything left 
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request and close my day out. 
Wow, so take me through all the 

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different buckets you're 
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So let's start with your 
concierge business, the weekend.

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White coat. 
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doing there? 
You providing Primary Care? 

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Walk me through that. 
Sure we can wake holders like 

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completely my baby. 
That wasn't briefed. 

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It's so we can white coat. 
Concierge is a subscription 

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service for patients. 
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also do so much more. 
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Health Care planning, I do 
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much included in the service. 
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To my network, I've worked at a 
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So I've met a lot of doctors, a 
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they're the best in the country.
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institutions, like top 50 
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So, I met a lot of people 
connect to a lot of people, they

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get me as part of the service 
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They get access to the weekend, 
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a telemedicine app that I have 
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Amazon's. 
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business there but on a daily 
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those things where it's 24/7. 
If they need me, they get me. 

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If they don't need me. 
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I'm still his support you when I
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you've got different tiers that 
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into. 
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care that you get am I 
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100% correct. 
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of not having to subscribe to so
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need that much attention and 
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So some want you no more than 
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If they don't feel well some 
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me when he want to see me and 
that works because bothering 

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people too much. 
She kinda it can kind of change 

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your relationship. 
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from that annoying friend but I 
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be in the situation. 
I want to be that friend this 

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day and when you need them, 
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So in those packages and I heard
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do house calls, you do Labs, you
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some of the other things that I 
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ones I can recall but what are 
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you are able to do with your 
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I can pretty much get specialty 
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I can just kind of call the 
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what I want and they do it. 
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a lot of stuff happen. 
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what you can do versus what they
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What they want done in the 
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mean somebody will have one idea
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they'll just get something 
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they'll never expect it. 
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Oh my God, this is way better 
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925 office model has ruined us 
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into this Society where Amazon 
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in two days. 
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weeks for the Home Shopping 
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for HSN, but with your white 
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narrative, because Healthcare 
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it's not just like any in your 
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pulling up and doing EKGs. 
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I work up in the home, all I 
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VIP days where I Market is, get 
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session, I get you I get you a 
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same day and we kind of conclude
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that's what they want. 
Wow VIP days are pretty popular.

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So do people need health 
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Are you private pay? 
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even need health insurance to 
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insurance. 
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Other than that. 
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health insurance to see me. 
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you working on the job? 
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How many days, how many hours a 
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people that can take a lot of 
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Do you have a radius that you 
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Like, do you say like, listen, 
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out, or if you're like, no, no, 
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to you. 
Yeah, those are my questions. 

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Like, how many hours are you 
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I will say weekend, white coat 
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would say, I spend about, Out 
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physically. 
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see I made me spend about 30 to 
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So heavy on the novel's, got a 
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of things of what I was doing. 
As a hospitalist some weeks is a

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hospital is I'll be like clock 
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doing like 20 to 30. 
Yeah I own my own business. 

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Yeah it's kind of a different 
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And the other different vibe is 
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So as a hospital is say you make
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Are you pulling incomparable pay
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So they closed. 
There's medicine is pretty 

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lucrative, so you don't find the
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usually have, I like 
entrepreneurs, a lot of them are

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high net worth individuals who 
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cost savings Services over time,
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So if you can have a cleaning 
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clean your home. 
You don't have to do it, you can

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focus on doing other tasks and 
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If you can have a car cleaning 
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your car, you don't have to do 
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Now, if you don't have to go and
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for 23 hours, after your 
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to do it. 
Also occupied a few other 

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spaces, when covid hit pretty 
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So it was it was a pretty A 
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was a really good year you can 
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can mark it right and find the 
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Wow that's incredible. 
That's the weekend white coat 

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which I like that name. 
I think it's really cool. 

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It's just got really like just 
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You're involved in some other 
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As I was looking you up, you've 
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written your really into 
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It looks like you've teamed up 
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and you guys have created some 
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Tell me a little bit about what 
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as that's concerned. 
Oh yes. 

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So to ebooks my first ebook was 
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kind of a two-part book in one. 
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to be a nurse in the second half
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So you want to be a nurse 
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just walking you through the day
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And that was kind of the intro 
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coat, green bands, which is kind
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to help people transition away 
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And it's funny me and Morgan was
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We always talk about how they 
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literacy in nursing. 
They don't teach a lot of how to

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get away from this, they teach 
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don't teach you how to get out 
of it 100%. 

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Yes, I'm a Financial Freedom 
Advocate from day one, my goal 

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is to be completely free. 
Of like anything, maybe about 

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40. 
Like I just want to have that 

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much passive income. 
Stacked up by the time I turn. 

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Oh, I guess 45 at this point. 
Yeah, I'm already 33 so. 

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Well, I'll be 33 this month. 
Well, happy early birthday. 

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Thank you. 
I love that goal. 

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I love that. 
You're dreaming big. 

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I feel like you're going to get 
there at 40. 

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I don't know what you got going 
on, but I just feel like you're 

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a go-getter. 
So I see you at 40, just 

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knocking it out of the park. 
And so, as far as that stuff is 

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going, is that is that it is, 
that all we got, is that all the

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Okay, so so we're actually 
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the so you want to be a nurse, 
but we're going to break it down

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into books now, so it's going to
be a lot more. 

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Well, I guess you would call it 
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going to add a ton more 
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What type of that white coat, 
green bands? 

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The book that has a cost 
attached to it. 

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We did a part 2 which is still 
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school which is absolutely 
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I think the The Flight School 
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Financial Freedom, financial 
literacy kind of stuff trying to

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help get you from bedside to 
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you had a IV rehydration team 
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blueprint to start your own IV 
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fun. 
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e-book in marketing itself A bit
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from what I can see. 
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as marketing last year. 
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like a lot of collaboration with
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into the digital space. 
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in this whole like exclusive non
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So that's coming soon and more 

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you're starting to kind of get 
poetry has these roots that kind

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of just go out and they goes 
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trees number without something 
coming in. 

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I really love that analogy for 
what you're doing. 

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to go find sources of income 
from other areas. 

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That's just absolutely 
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love having these conversations 
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awareness to other nurses and 
other people are doing it. 

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Why not you these resources that
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I think is very beneficial, so 
fantastic. 

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How did you get here? 
Because you didn't wake up one 

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day and just have weekend, white
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and adapt, and telemedicine and 
all this stuff. 

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You went through a journey to 
get to this spot. 

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So kind of walk me through the 
day, you decided to become a 

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nurse until you're out. 
Point now with you got buckets 

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and buckets. 
How did this happen? 

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What is pretty funny? 
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initially, so I was, I used to 
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mental health may be hilarious. 
I was, I worked in sight for, 

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like, five years, prior to 
switch into nursing. 

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So, I think we really changed. 
I was, I remember I was dating 

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this girl like a time. 
This is before I was married. 

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This was like way back. 
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which is a community college 
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And I was visiting a friend of 
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courses and I remember being in 
the hallway thinking to myself 

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like man, I need to get out of 
this draining line of work. 

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I absolutely hate it. 
I'm pouring so much of myself 

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into this job and all I get is 
complaints not knowing at the 

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time with Health Care was, but 
go family. 

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So initially I started taking my
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college and I Getting ready to 
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and the counselor told me I 
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with my grades which I found 
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didn't exactly have failing 
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It was more so that I guess it 
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didn't think I was good enough 
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stop me. 
I have this saying if is no door

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letting you in jump through the 
window, don't be denied. 

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So I jump through a lot of 
windows. 

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Those flats are like three, 
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nursing schools, which feels 
impossible with the amount of 

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paperwork. 
You got to do but I did it. 

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And that's how I end up actually
going to suggest a Douglas 

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college. 
So I started there in 2011 and 

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while I was going through the 
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nursing student at the VA, which
was terrible. 

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By the way, it was. 
Oh my God, I think that you see 

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on, I hate hate. 
Say this out loud but everything

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that you see on the news about 
the VA health system on my God, 

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it's multiplied by 5. 
Oh my goodness. 

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So that was my first job. 
And after that I was ICU nurse X

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term for Maryland general, which
doesn't exist anymore. 

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I'm dating myself. 
All right brother, Maryland 

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General doesn't exist anymore 
but I was asking you there's 

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extern from there. 
I did some time doing that. 

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So the program that I was in 
Nats Audrina Douglas College. 

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They had an LPN exit option, 
where you can take your LPM 

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boards and still finish up their
bachelor's. 

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Oh, so I did it exit. 
Option LPN. 

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I took the LPN ink like someone 
lunch previously and passed it 

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and came back to school without 
what I hope when I tell people 

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that's 30. 
Look at me crazy. 

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But I went on my lunch break, I 
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school. 
Swear to God you can access all 

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my friends, they with it. 
And I worked as a Corrections 

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nurse for the year and some 
change, until I finished my 

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bachelor's and acting like 
you're the kind of guy, the kind

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of guy who could work a 
Corrections nurse job. 

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Like, I could never do work 
corrections but like you're a 

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big guy, so, like you could go 
into those areas and like 

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totally get away with it. 
Like, little old me even though 

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the money looks really great and
those jobs, like, I could not 

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survive there. 
I just cut it. 

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Like, oh Sandra, thank you, be 
surprised. 

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Those are some of the nicest 
criminals. 

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I mean Honestly, they were nice 
to my face that I get in the 

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hospital. 
Really, what else do I have 

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taken care of some inmates? 
When I was a nurse and outside 

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of being intrigued by like why 
are you handcuffed to the bed? 

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Like I was headed just wondering
what they were doing. 

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They really were nice. 
People like I've never had one 

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that was like you see, these 
terrible things on TV were like,

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these people are like clamoring 
in the bed and then you actually

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meet them and they're like, 
yeah, I did some stuff and I'm 

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here. 
So yeah, thanks for taking care 

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of me. 
So yes, sir and no sir. 

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You know, thank you. 
Thank you, sir. 

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I'm very grateful people. 
Yes, honestly, I look back on 

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it. 
Fondly, and the only thing I 

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hate it was being locked in. 
That was the worst like being 

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locked in handed to a closed 
minds. 

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You just, yeah, you know. 
Yeah, I can see that being a 

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little unnerving and, you know, 
that that's where they live 

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their lives. 
It's got to be gives you a lot 

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of compassion for them, right? 
Yeah. 

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How we roll like the taste or 
phones? 

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You can't have a phone for like 
eight hours at a time. 

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Wow. 
So if anybody needed to contact 

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you, if it was an emergency they
would never be able to reach. 

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It was the craziest thing how so
you did that job for how long? 

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So I was there's a OPN for about
a year and after I finished 

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boards and I'll never forget 
this the day out the day I 

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figured figured out that I 
passed. 

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My boards was December 4th, 2014
K and I was in the office as LPN

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and I remember like everybody 
was like happy that I passed my 

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boys are visit. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And then charge nurse that was 
that it they said good job but 

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today is still LPN. 
Get back to work. 

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And following week I was the 
charge nurse. 

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Hey I know, right? 
So it's a lot of those on my 

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journey. 
I was there for about, I guess 

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about two years on and off. 
I still did some PRN. 

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I took my first job and I see 
you in 2015 and I had been 

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grooming myself to be as 
universe. 

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So long, I took the job and 
completely hate it. 

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Oh my goodness. 
What made you think that you 

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wanted to be an ICU nurse and 
then what made you realize you 

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can't stand it. 
Well, I really like the science 

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of it, it's such a, such a 
forward-thinking specialty in 

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nursing and they're always the 
creme de La Creme of journalist.

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The hospital is nothing. 
More Pride feeling than heaven 

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and I see you t-shirt, a jacket.
Everybody knowing each other's 

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eyes you nurse so you Wanted it 
for, like the status, like the 

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status symbol, like in the size,
you like the science. 

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But also just being like, I'm at
the top, the top, like the 

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American Express card in 
nursing, you know, it's true. 

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So what made you realize you 
hate it? 

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The personalities. 
Oh my God, it is such a Mean 

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Girls Club, like, maybe because 
I got the same mentality. 

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Like we're the bad ones. 
We know we're doing like lala 

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and then they're like also like 
awful to be right. 

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And if so is so much gatekeeping
and has here, a lot of people 

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don't talk about this is so much
gatekeeping. 

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I mean, depending on if they 
like you depending on what you 

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look like, it's a lot of 
gatekeeping they'll do, if they 

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don't like it. 
They'll try to get ready. 

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Yeah. 
And I remember my last day and I

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see this is before I decided I 
needed to leave. 

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My son was just born and I was 
trying to get some kind of 

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leave. 
Like I'll try and take a little 

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bit of time off to take care of 
your newborn baby. 

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Uh-huh. 
Yeah. 

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Yes, because I'm on my wife, 
wasn't. 

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She was sick after birth and she
wasn't doing well. 

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And then there's manager who's a
woman. 

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Look me in my eye and said, well
I think you need to focus on 

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your career and I was like, 
okay, I'm going to go ahead and 

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go to, there's recruitment. 
See if I can get reassigned to a

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different spot. 
Yeah, that's the right move. 

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Honestly. 
Yeah, so during that time, I had

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the time off actually I had a 
significant amount of time over 

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which was pretty good and I 
ended up going to trauma or 

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Which is absolutely my love. 
I love trauma or surgery kind of

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Groom to me in a way. 
It helped my knowledge. 

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It gave me skills that I was 
able to translate directly as a 

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nurse practitioner. 
But in the middle that journey, 

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I, that's when I realized I 
wanted to go back to school and 

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become a nurse practitioner, 
while I was in the O and the 

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scheduling in the flexibility 
that made it possible. 

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This was the only unit that I 
worked where I actually got. 

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Two solid breaks. 
I had a morning break-in at a 

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lunch break. 
And if I was lucky, I had a 

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dinner break. 
Depending on what time the ships

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were breaking down. 
And I was like, is this some 

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kind of fantasy, man? 
I thought I was in Narnia. 

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I was like yeah, it was 
beautiful. 

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Yeah, it didn't come without its
challenges, but it served my 

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purpose which kind of wings into
like use a judge. 

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Before it uses, you is a lesson 
that I usually say, I got a 

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little Mantra that the first 
chapter of the we can't wait the

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white cold green beans but is 
called f that job and it's a 

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mantra. 
Let's kind of use your 

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imagination. 
Yeah. 

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Mantra is use that job before 
uses. 

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You because it doesn't care 
about you as which goes to say 

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that. 
In that situation, I was 

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working. 
And throughout that process, it 

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was kind of like, hey, come 
during the snow. 

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Come Darkness. 
Come during that. 

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You got class, I understand. 
But come during that. 

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Come do that here. 
We just need somebody to cover 

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these cases. 
Yeah, you know, nobody cared 

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about the exhaustion in the 
burnout. 

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So I did my I did my two two and
a half years of studying so I 

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can get this Masters. 
I did my clinicals while I was 

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working, we can option. 
And in 2018 I graduated March 

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2000. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, so then you I saw that you
took a hospitalist job as a 

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nurse practitioner, which is 
tough hospital, as a nurse, 

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practitioner jobs, bring, bring 
the heat. 

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So after you are in the or 
trauma, you loved it. 

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It sounds like that was kind of 
the first job you really loved. 

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Actually you like the prison job
to the correctional unit. 

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Tell me a little bit about this 
hospital is job that you took as

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a nurse because I've always been
interested in hospital is job. 

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I feel like it'd be a really 
good on-the-job training because

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you see everything walk. 
The door. 

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And so, yeah, I tell me a little
bit about that. 

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And then how you ended up 
transitioning into your own 

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business? 
Well, okay, so hospital is if 

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you do not know your stuff, 
you'll get your butt. 

450
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:18,500
Yeah, what happens that my 
fellowship was I did it when I 

451
00:24:18,508 --> 00:24:21,300
did this Fellowship in pain 
management, I was working like 

452
00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,100
post-surgical patients and it 
was, it was fun. 

453
00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:28,500
It was interesting. 
And I didn't like it after all 

454
00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:32,300
because all of my console to end
up being those like long-term 

455
00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:35,900
drug users, who came in off. 
Like a three-day cocaine bender 

456
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,400
and Heaven pain. 
And I was like, I'm gonna lose 

457
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,000
my skills doing this so I 
switched the hospitalist. 

458
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,200
So you did a fellowship which is
like where they train you use 

459
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,300
like on-the-job training, right?
Yeah. 

460
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:49,000
I was trained. 
I spent, I spent maybe about 

461
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,400
four or five months of the 
Georgetown Hospital working with

462
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,100
a really brilliant 
anesthesiologist. 

463
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,700
Actually, two of them and it was
like a group of us. 

464
00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:00,800
We all came on to him. 
Learn, that's how, you know, 

465
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,300
manage pain and then you took 
that job. 

466
00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:07,800
The Chronic pain job and you 
were like, this is awful, got 

467
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,800
you? 
Yeah, so but I switched to 

468
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,800
effort after I finish that out I
switch to hospitalist which was 

469
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,400
very interesting because I 
started to really learn what it 

470
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,300
was like to do Internal 
Medicine. 

471
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,700
The guy trained in family 
practice, but it was no real 

472
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:32,200
precursor to what being a 
hospitalist was like not only is

473
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,300
the hours pretty grueling seven 
days. 

474
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,000
Days on, seven days off is not 
for the weak. 

475
00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:41,600
I really cut my teeth during 
that time and I learned so much,

476
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,700
it made me a better clinician in
some ways like I can treat a 

477
00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:49,700
patient in find conditions, a 
lot better than I would have 

478
00:25:49,700 --> 00:25:53,000
done, if I didn't have to train 
in traditional Family Medicine 

479
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800
experience. 
So you get those like home and 

480
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,300
colds, sinus infections, 
tonsillitis stuff like that. 

481
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:01,400
Defense it off. 
Yeah, but lo and behold when I 

482
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,400
decided to switch to be a 
hospitalist, we had covid-19. 

483
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,400
It was the condition and nobody 
knew. 

484
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,900
What the hell is happening. 
Scare nobody knew how to treat 

485
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:10,300
it. 
We was just out here blind as a 

486
00:26:10,308 --> 00:26:12,800
bad here. 
I am my first year as a 

487
00:26:12,808 --> 00:26:15,200
hospitalist. 
Oh, shoot? 

488
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,400
Yeah, yeah, you're in it. 
Wow, was in the trenches? 

489
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,000
Yeah, you did this for I guess 
up until the end of covid. 

490
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,400
So when did you start your 
business? 

491
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,500
Oh, it's not a weekend like, 
cult-like the minute I finished 

492
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:32,400
school. 
I was like I'm not waiting for 

493
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,000
anybody. 
I want to have my own practice. 

494
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,100
This and this is how I want to 
live my life. 

495
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:37,800
I was already laying the 
groundwork for week. 

496
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,200
I'm like cold. 
My first logo was terrible, but 

497
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:44,700
I always had this hustle to try 
to do more than one thing at the

498
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:46,800
same time because something's 
going to read. 

499
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:50,000
Oh, I love that. 
Let's stop right there. 

500
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,700
Let's stop right there. 
I like that. 

501
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:53,900
You started with that mindset 
right out of school. 

502
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:57,000
Like I need to be in multiple 
things because something is 

503
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,700
going to free me. 
How did you get that mentality? 

504
00:27:00,700 --> 00:27:03,600
What what made you think that? 
Because I don't think that's an 

505
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,200
eight. 
I don't think. 

506
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,600
People think that what? 
Oh, my God, you too. 

507
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,800
Thanks my mother has so much 
talent. 

508
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:15,600
She's she's an artist, she's a 
stylist, she's a teacher. 

509
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,900
And she's like, always done so 
many different things. 

510
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:22,700
She was a florist at one time, 
and I seen her do all these 

511
00:27:22,700 --> 00:27:26,400
different things to make all 
these different things happen 

512
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,500
and it was never all her eggs in
one basket. 

513
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,800
So watching her and my dad, my 
dad, he was, he started his own 

514
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,600
business. - while when he was 
still young, but his 30s and 40s

515
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:40,700
and him is entrepreneur. 
I've seen how much Freedom that 

516
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,400
allotted him while it took up a 
lot of his time. 

517
00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:46,600
I don't think he could scale at 
the time when he needed it. 

518
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,100
But seeing those two they kind 
of really inspired me to get on 

519
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:54,000
that wave of having my own 
because it's nothing like 

520
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,100
ownership that it change your 
life, a lot of people go to the 

521
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,900
table and when they negotiate 
the contracts his nurse 

522
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,600
practitioners. 
They really forget that they're 

523
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,300
providing a service. 
That is Irreplaceable. 

524
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,100
So the equity conversation 
shouldn't be off the table. 

525
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:11,700
When negotiating we all supposed
to be rich? 

526
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:14,400
I mean, that's my mindset. 
We supposed to be rich. 

527
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
There's there shouldn't be any 
poverty, in our blood. 

528
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,300
We work this hard to get here. 
We're supposed to be rich hands 

529
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:22,400
down. 
I don't care what anybody says 

530
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,700
being humble in that. 
We supposed to be rich. 

531
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:27,200
Interesting. 
I like that. 

532
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,800
I like that. 
That mentality of we are not 

533
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,000
supposed to be poor. 
We're not supposed to be broke 

534
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200
because I think a lot of people 
are working. 

535
00:28:34,300 --> 00:28:37,900
NG and they have done all this 
work and they are broke. 

536
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:39,700
And they are struggling 
financially. 

537
00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,400
And I like that mentality shift 
of just like I'm not going to 

538
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,500
accept that. 
Like, that is not acceptable. 

539
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:49,000
Like that is not okay. 
I think in another conversation 

540
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,300
I had with another entrepreneur.
She is very much. 

541
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,100
Like, if it doesn't work, it 
doesn't work. 

542
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,000
I let it go. 
And at first, I was like, okay, 

543
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:00,700
just let's, and then I started 
realizing no. 

544
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:04,000
Once you say I will not tolerate
it. 

545
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,300
It changes the atmosphere. 
It's like a thermostat on the 

546
00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:09,500
wall. 
You go and adjust the 

547
00:29:09,508 --> 00:29:12,400
temperature when you go like 
that temperature, don't fly here

548
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,200
like that. 
Just the thermostat doesn't go 

549
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,700
there. 
Then you just realize like your 

550
00:29:16,700 --> 00:29:19,400
life, adjust to that. 
And so I think that's great. 

551
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,500
I think it's a great mindset to 
have just, I won't accept that. 

552
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,400
That's just not nice. 
Not okay. 

553
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,000
With me this like a simple 
question is, do you tolerate 

554
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,600
disrespect? 
Yes or no, right? 

555
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:32,700
And if you do not tolerate 
disrespect and being underpaid 

556
00:29:32,700 --> 00:29:35,600
for your services is clearly, 
Respect huh. 

557
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,500
Nobody should tolerate 
disrespect. 

558
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,700
Yeah, that's the truth. 
I'll tell you one thing. 

559
00:29:40,900 --> 00:29:43,500
One of the hardest situations 
I've been through in my life. 

560
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:49,500
So my dad died in 2018, right? 
I was going for interviews for 

561
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,600
like, nurse practitioner 
interviews and maybe about two 

562
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,300
to three days. 
After my, after my dad passed, I

563
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:58,900
had this interview with this 
position and he was opening. 

564
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,700
This is vascular surgery, 
clinic. 

565
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,300
And I interviewed. 
I mean, I Like really like 

566
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,300
killing his interview and at the
end of the interview has got 

567
00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:10,500
office me, seventy seven 
thousand dollars. 

568
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,300
Like I'm here three days after 
my dad died and you offered me 

569
00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:16,600
three thousand dollars, I could 
have punched him in his face, 

570
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:20,100
you know. 
That was the most disrespectful 

571
00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:21,700
thing I've ever went through in 
my life. 

572
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,400
Yeah, it was fun. 
Why did it recently 

573
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800
disrespectful? 
Why did it feel disrespectful 

574
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,300
explain what was going on 
explains? 

575
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:33,200
I was being asked to do 
outpatient, follow-ups, 

576
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:36,200
inpatient file. 
Follow-ups, showing up for 

577
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:40,500
surgeries, the first assessment 
procedures I needed to cross 

578
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:44,800
cover another provider work. 
Yeah, after the day was over. 

579
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,300
And when it came time to say, 
hey, what kind of salary do you 

580
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:54,100
want for this? 
I said, hey, 110k seems fair and

581
00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,300
this guy looks me right in my 
eyes and say, oh, I was thinking

582
00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,000
more like 77,000. 
Meanwhile, so much stuff that we

583
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,700
had to go through, at my dad's 
house, paperwork try to align 

584
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:06,900
insurances. 
It's so much more than I could 

585
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:10,200
have been going to be there to 
help my family. 

586
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,400
In that that mental value of me 
being there. 

587
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,600
It just felt like the most 
disrespectful thing. 

588
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800
World. 
Yeah, I see that. 

589
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
So you're saying like I could 
have spent my time someplace 

590
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,800
else instead I'm here and then 
you give me this lowball offer 

591
00:31:24,100 --> 00:31:26,000
for this job. 
That's going to be requiring a 

592
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,500
lot of time. 
I shouldn't even come to. 

593
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,000
This interview is kind of what 
you were thinking, right? 

594
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,300
Yeah, you know. 
Yeah. 

595
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:34,900
I think we call you say y'all 
should be on about my lateness 

596
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,000
that I even show up to this 
fake, you know? 

597
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,500
Yeah, I know. 
Yeah. 

598
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
It's like this is like the most 
tragic like I don't, I don't 

599
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,600
want to get out of bed for less 
than less than 58. 

600
00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:47,100
Right. 
Yeah, I hear what you're saying,

601
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:51,400
but I feel like for Value 
standpoint at this point in my 

602
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400
life. 
I would much rather have that 

603
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,600
time and freedom to be with my 
family than to, you know, being 

604
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,000
scrubs being told to go see this
patient or that patient against 

605
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,500
my, will versus doing it with my
own with yes, you know, that's 

606
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:08,700
what spurred the weekend, white 
coat, right? 

607
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:11,300
So like that, that is exactly 
what is where we can. 

608
00:32:11,300 --> 00:32:13,200
Wait cold. 
I wanted to change the health 

609
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,400
care experience for me and the 
patient. 

610
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,700
It's easy to burnout is so easy 
to burn out and being in and out

611
00:32:20,700 --> 00:32:24,100
of the hospital throughout the 
pandemic and seeing patients on 

612
00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,700
my own and seeing patients in 
the hospital. 

613
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,800
The vibe is definitely 
different. 

614
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:31,800
I actually, like my patients, 
they're good people. 

615
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,900
We get to pick our own, right? 
Not, not that I dislike the 

616
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,200
people that I see in the 
hospital. 

617
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,100
Yeah, I can't pick and choose 
hate so you exactly what it's 

618
00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:41,900
your business, and someone is 
just kind of emotionally, just 

619
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:46,600
not what your Vibe or just he's 
just patient is Just abusive or 

620
00:32:46,608 --> 00:32:49,200
whatever, nurses in the hospital
have to take it. 

621
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,000
I mean, we're not told to defend
ourselves, we're not told to. 

622
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Hey listen. 
Like you there's a level of you 

623
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,400
will not tolerate. 
We will not tolerate this 

624
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,900
Behavior towards our nurses. 
And so they saw you hear these 

625
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:05,200
stories of nurses, being hit 
kicked, and cussed out and all 

626
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,900
these different things. 
Where it's like, if you were to 

627
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,700
do that, you do this to one of 
our nurses, we're going to 

628
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:11,300
remove you from the hospital. 
They don't do that. 

629
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:14,200
They they allow it, they 
tolerate it. 

630
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,800
And so because of that and You 
say personally this doesn't fly 

631
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
in my space. 
I'm out of here. 

632
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Then you have to take it because
the job won't support you and 

633
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,500
wasn't nice about having your 
job. 

634
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:28,800
Is you get to go it's my 
business. 

635
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,600
Like I don't want you here 
because you're disrespectful or 

636
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,600
abusive or whichever and I now 
have the authority and the power

637
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:39,400
to remove you which essentially 
beautiful. 

638
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,400
I mean, again, there's probably 
laws and contracts and you just 

639
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,800
can't say, Hey, listen, time and
you have to inform them and If 

640
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,700
like that but still at least you
have the option of saying, I 

641
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:51,800
don't have to tolerate this and 
that's also what 

642
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,600
entrepreneurship buys you 
advise? 

643
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,500
You not just you can tolerate 
what you have the ability to 

644
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:59,300
tolerate, what it is that you do
and do not want but then it also

645
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:02,300
frees you up from a Time 
standpoint of just being like I 

646
00:34:02,308 --> 00:34:05,600
get to do what I want to do. 
Like I get to go to work today. 

647
00:34:05,900 --> 00:34:08,699
I get to work on my baby which 
is different. 

648
00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:12,100
You have a different love for 
your job. 100%. 

649
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,800
I mean honestly if I feel like 
I'm going to take a day off Take

650
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,400
a day off, I'll just call my 
assistant and say, hey, can you 

651
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,600
cover the phones? 
Let them know that I will not be

652
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,100
doing anything outside of any 
membership work today and said, 

653
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,500
yeah, that's beautiful. 
He says, well, I got to say this

654
00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:29,800
here is very important. 
We protect our nurses, 

655
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,800
especially I'll women or system,
90% in the field. 

656
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,199
See, I can handle myself if the 
patient wants to fight back, but

657
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:40,800
it's not fair for patients, who 
have obvious mismatch to these 

658
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,699
to these nurses that are on the 
floors in this Insidious. 

659
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:47,000
I hated, yeah, I can't go to 
Every Hospital and protect. 

660
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,900
But we need to protect our 
nurses in. 

661
00:34:48,900 --> 00:34:51,500
These hospitals are doing the 
pit, very piss-poor job, you 

662
00:34:51,507 --> 00:34:52,100
know? 
Yeah. 

663
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,600
It kind of Angus, mm. 
Yeah, no, I can see that. 

664
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,199
Yeah, I can see. 
It's making you upset and it 

665
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,000
makes me upset because it's 
again. 

666
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,100
I've been in those situations 
where you're in a room with 

667
00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:03,100
someone and you're like, I'm 
uncomfortable here and you have 

668
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,900
to still continue to provide 
care. 

669
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:09,900
So again, nurses are warriors 
and it shouldn't have to be that

670
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:11,100
way. 
You shouldn't have to go to work

671
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:14,000
and fight. 
It's kind of scary but after 

672
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,400
all, that, and your journey, we 
Can white coat, I love it. 

673
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,500
I love to how you got to where 
you are. 

674
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,000
And again I think you kind of 
shared one of your biggest 

675
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,600
challenges which was that day 
that your father had passed away

676
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,500
and you had to go to work and 
you interviewed at this job but 

677
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,400
tell me about a time that was a 
real high in your career. 

678
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,600
I mean have you had a moment 
along the path that you were 

679
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:40,000
like, this was amazing. 
This day this moment was a real 

680
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,500
high in what you've been doing 
and what you've been building. 

681
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600
I had a lot of those. 
It's hard to say, I mean, I 

682
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,000
would say deciding opening doors
on weekend. 

683
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,900
Like it was one of my favorite 
days. 

684
00:35:51,300 --> 00:35:53,900
I remember, it was just 
something I learnt Day in 2018. 

685
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,900
I was like, I'm going to start 
seeing patients but that was a 

686
00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,400
great day. 
Another great day was the first 

687
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,600
day I realized that some, ER, 
doctors do not do any medical 

688
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,200
work. 
It sounds mean, but I remember, 

689
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,200
I remember admitting this 
patient. 

690
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,200
She came in with a Plane of 
chest pain. 

691
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,200
And she was complaining of this 
pain. 

692
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,100
That was more like, a be great, 
gastric towards liver, and it 

693
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,700
was no real Imaging done. 
They had this lady, like worked 

694
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:30,400
for stress test and I just 
happened to notice that her, 

695
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
your analysis had a huge amount 
of bilirubin in it, more than 

696
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,900
average and I end up just kind 
of opting for a height of versus

697
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,700
stress test only for my gamble 
to pay off and see these. 

698
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:44,400
She really had cholecystitis 
verse Is this chest pain worker?

699
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,100
She was able to have surgery and
under 24 hours to study this 

700
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:50,300
versus a whole different 
diagnosis. 

701
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,400
I mean, this lady could add a 
whole different outcome for 

702
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,900
hospital care. 
If we worked up for chest pain 

703
00:36:55,900 --> 00:36:58,000
and sent her home. 
Yeah, so exactly. 

704
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000
That was a, that was a big day 
for your cats being the being 

705
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,100
able to solve your own problems 
or just having a knowledge to 

706
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,300
kind of say, hey, this is what I
say, I stand by it. 

707
00:37:09,300 --> 00:37:12,500
I guarantee you this blue magic,
it's Blue Magic. 

708
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,000
We made it. 
I've never heard that before. 

709
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,400
Any other challenges that you 
had to overcome throughout your 

710
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,700
journey that you like to share 
with my listeners today? 

711
00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:32,300
Hey crazy like nerves bullying, 
kind of caring culture. 

712
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:34,500
I know some the ICU or different
places. 

713
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,300
I see you honestly this all 
through Healthcare Healthcare is

714
00:37:39,308 --> 00:37:42,200
kind of nuts in a way. 
I had a bit of a unique 

715
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,000
experience. 
As a black man and nursing in, I

716
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,900
don't think enough people talk 
about it. 

717
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:50,200
You know what, what did you say,
your experience? 

718
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,900
What was, what did you notice? 
So, so it's a lot of 

719
00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:56,300
gatekeeping, a lot of second 
guessing you would be shocked. 

720
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,500
I mean, I recently had a 
patient, I still kind of pick up

721
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,100
in the hospital once in a while.
I recently had a patient, she 

722
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:04,300
won't even talk to me. 
She told the nurse that she 

723
00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:07,200
didn't think I was a real 
provider weight, and because of 

724
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,100
what reason being a man being 
black? 

725
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,100
I was black. 
Oh my goodness. 

726
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,000
Tristan was like, she was like, 
I don't think he's a real, like,

727
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,800
when I, when I spoke to the 
patient in this very apparent, 

728
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,500
when you meet those patients 
that are discriminating against 

729
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:23,800
you as a provider. 
They won't make eye contact. 

730
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
They won't talk to you. 
They won't look at you, they'll 

731
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,700
just say things like hey, I want
a real doctor and I find it 

732
00:38:29,700 --> 00:38:30,600
always find it. 
Funny. 

733
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,200
I'm like, are you sure you want 
to talk to a person that has 

734
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,200
like lightly been listening to 
your family members care, but 

735
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,100
I've been here day to day, you 
sure. 

736
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:40,500
Yeah. 
I was like, all right sure. 

737
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,700
I'll go get this doctor and 
explained the whole situation. 

738
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,300
Situations him so he can 
regurgitate everything that I 

739
00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:45,800
told him. 
Yeah. 

740
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,100
So how do you overcome it? 
Because one of the things that I

741
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:53,700
really find important for 
African-Americans, is that one 

742
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,700
of our things about our history 
that I think is beautiful, is 

743
00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:00,600
how we have overcome, right, 
right, because we've had to 

744
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,100
write, we've had to overcome 
such great barriers and things 

745
00:39:04,100 --> 00:39:07,200
that have held attempted to hold
us back from success. 

746
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,300
And so, what are some of the 
things are the techniques that 

747
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,900
you've learned throughout your 
time, as being A black man as 

748
00:39:13,900 --> 00:39:17,500
working in the healthcare field 
as a nurse practitioner. 

749
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:20,300
How have you overcome some of 
these? 

750
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:23,300
What are some of the techniques 
that you've used to overcome 

751
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:28,300
these moments of blatant racism?
Maybe not even blatant. 

752
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,100
That you can't even tell like 
what I mean, I guess. 

753
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:32,600
Yeah. 
How have you overcome that? 

754
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,700
I needed the confidence of 10 
men to overcome the microgrid, 

755
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,500
microagressions the confidence 
of ten men to stand in the face 

756
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:43,800
of someone questioning, what you
do for a living. 

757
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:49,400
I also needed to have people to 
support me is hard. 

758
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,300
It's very, very hard to find 
mentors in this space and I 

759
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:57,600
found one really good Mentor. 
The doctor trained me, dr. 

760
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,800
Michele, Martin Jones. 
She was like the only doctor 

761
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,800
that would take me under her. 
Swing outside of my pediatric 

762
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,500
rotation, she's like the only 
physician taking into her ring 

763
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:10,600
on a random phone call because 
it was so hard to find my own 

764
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,200
preceptor. 
And she's been in his so long 

765
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,800
that if I'm feeling something 
I'll just call her and she'll be

766
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,900
like, hey, I've seen that 
before, she's was such an 

767
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,300
amazing resource and she's a 
little older. 

768
00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:25,900
So she's seen that generation 
where she was doubt it worse 

769
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:29,800
than I was and having somebody 
that's been there. 

770
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,200
Tell you what's, okay? 
And that you'll continue to Go 

771
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200
through and see those good 
patients that will change your 

772
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,500
life. 
It kind of makes me feel good. 

773
00:40:37,700 --> 00:40:41,300
Yeah so we'll see that and have 
that and it really helped me 

774
00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:45,000
boost my confidence. 
Yeah but I think the problem is 

775
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,600
some stuff will never go away. 
There it is that generation. 

776
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,100
He just it just won't go away in
the things that its inherent 

777
00:40:52,100 --> 00:40:57,300
bias that people have is very 
and I mean, honestly, it just is

778
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,600
no no room for it in the health 
care profession. 

779
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,900
Yeah. 
But it's still a slow process 

780
00:41:01,900 --> 00:41:06,100
because Unconscious bias. 
Yeah, I think it's one of those 

781
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:09,700
things that we would like for it
to be gone like cancer. 

782
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,200
It's like why can't we, why 
can't we cure it? 

783
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,700
But I think it's one of those 
things in life that it will 

784
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:17,200
always be with us. 
And so what we need is 

785
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,400
African-Americans as Puerto 
Ricans as biracial as Asian 

786
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Americans. 
Whatever it is, is to realize 

787
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:27,000
one, I think it's beautiful that
you said that she had it even 

788
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,800
worse than you had it and she 
was able to keep staying in the 

789
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,900
game. 
She To be there so that you 

790
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,900
could have someone to talk to, 
to keep going in the faith. 

791
00:41:38,900 --> 00:41:42,400
And so, if we quit, if we say, 
oh, this isn't for me, I don't 

792
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400
have what it takes. 
Then what we will end up doing 

793
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,500
is making it harder for the ones
behind us because they will be 

794
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:50,200
here and they will have no one 
to relate to. 

795
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,300
But then also realizing that 
this is something that we are 

796
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:58,900
going to be dealing with. 
And so we need to create tools 

797
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,900
tricks, mantras whatever it is. 
We need to come up with things. 

798
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:07,200
Things that we are able to 
bolster ourselves against it 

799
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,700
because it is not going away, it
is called humankind, we are 

800
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:14,800
expecting humankind to move past
itself and it will not. 

801
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:20,000
I believe that it is something 
inside of us, that comes out in 

802
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,500
different ways for different 
people. 

803
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,800
And so again, I've been in a 
room and I don't think I've ever

804
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,800
shared this on the podcast, but 
I've been in a room where I've 

805
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,900
had a patient, not know that, my
father is African-American and 

806
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:37,200
say, Slurs when the African 
American nurse assistant walks 

807
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,900
out of the room and I'm like, 
dude my dad's black like don't 

808
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:44,400
don't think just because I'm 
alone, couple of Shades lighter,

809
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,400
that I am not any more 
African-American than that. 

810
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,700
Girl, that just walked out of 
there, out of the room. 

811
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:53,200
And yet he said a racial slur in
front of me and I couldn't 

812
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,900
believe it. 
Now, again at that moment, I had

813
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,900
a moment to either us like 
realize that I'm not going to 

814
00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:02,700
change this individual. 
This individual is exactly who 

815
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:03,400
they are. 
AR. 

816
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:07,600
And so I'm not going to waste 
time adding fuel to the fire, 

817
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,500
but it also let me see who they 
were and that and that for me is

818
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:13,800
just like you got to be careful 
around this individual. 

819
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,900
And so I think the point of all 
that story is that it's around 

820
00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,200
us even when it's not blatant. 
And even when you don't see it, 

821
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,300
it's still there. 
And so just creating like you 

822
00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:31,000
said, that Mantra of I am going 
to be confident despite what's 

823
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,800
coming at me. 
I think is absolutely. 

824
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,000
The pivotal to fighting this 
battle because it's not ending 

825
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,100
and I don't think it ever will. 
I agree. 

826
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,100
Also nursing needs to make some 
changes itself to. 

827
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:47,400
Yeah, the think one, big part of
the representation is to have a 

828
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,100
bevy of Administration 
Management that look like us. 

829
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,900
When I still look around and 
some of these hospitals and 

830
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:57,100
there's management don't look 
like me, like I say unconscious 

831
00:43:57,100 --> 00:43:59,900
bias from a psychological 
standpoint, people feel 

832
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:02,400
comfortable and relate to people
that look like them versus 

833
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,600
People that don't. 
So I remember I always like when

834
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,800
I was applying for these jobs 
they will always give you the 

835
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,800
survey and say. 
Do you think you work well in an

836
00:44:11,808 --> 00:44:15,600
inclusive diverse team? 
And I would always say yes and 

837
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:17,800
only to get into the environment
and it's a big. 

838
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,500
No, it's no inclusive diversity.
I check off two boxes. 

839
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:24,900
I'm a black man and I had this 
joke with my friends. 

840
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:28,300
I'm like the walking diversity 
quota and especially in 

841
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:30,300
everything there. 
Sure being black and being a 

842
00:44:30,308 --> 00:44:31,400
man. 
You are. 

843
00:44:31,700 --> 00:44:35,000
You are the the now Not common, 
when ninety percent of nurses 

844
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,700
are female. 
So yeah, for sure. 

845
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,300
And and I guess I wonder, and 
this is just for my own 

846
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:45,500
edification. 
What you feel like include like 

847
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:49,100
a diverse Administration? 
What do you think that that 

848
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:51,400
would bring to the table for 
African-Americans? 

849
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,400
I think that would bring more 
opportunity to African-Americans

850
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,700
to growing and space Health Care
needs us. 

851
00:44:59,900 --> 00:45:05,700
I think that People just seem to
bypass that who I did, they need

852
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,200
us. 
Because how do you treat a 

853
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,100
population that you can't relate
to? 

854
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,200
Hmm, being black is such a 
unique experience. 

855
00:45:14,900 --> 00:45:18,300
The thing is, nobody can tell 
you how to be black, how to feel

856
00:45:18,700 --> 00:45:22,700
it being black. 
So how do you tell a patient 

857
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:26,800
that has no, kind of know kind 
of relation to you about their 

858
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,300
experience? 
It's a unique thing. 

859
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,400
I mean from the communities we 
live in into the things that 

860
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,500
I'll family say is such a unique
experience. 

861
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,200
Yeah. 
So how can you how can you 

862
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,400
relate to? 
A patient is nothing about and 

863
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,100
mean, and let's be honest, some 
of these health care providers 

864
00:45:41,100 --> 00:45:44,500
that first time, seeing a black 
person isn't clinicals is on 

865
00:45:44,500 --> 00:45:46,000
that. 
Residence rotation. 

866
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,000
So how do you, how can you 
relate to somebody that you have

867
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,400
no experience working with? 
Yeah, that will be like me going

868
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,000
to Mexico and working as a 
working as provided and then 

869
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,700
mistakenly giving every 
patients, kid evil. 

870
00:45:59,700 --> 00:46:03,300
I thought I mean Like, you don't
even understand what you're 

871
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:04,900
doing. 
Like please just stop. 

872
00:46:04,900 --> 00:46:07,100
Yeah, exactly. 
That's a really good 

873
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,300
perspective. 
I like that. 

874
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,800
You said that because there are 
times when I see African 

875
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,200
American patients in my husband 
will say, or I'll take care of 

876
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,100
an African-American patient or 
I'll come home and tell a story 

877
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,300
and he's like, you were able to 
relate to them. 

878
00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:22,700
And I'm like God's because it's 
just, yeah, I was raised with my

879
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:24,700
black father. 
So like I know certain Concepts.

880
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:27,700
I understand certain things that
are just inherent. 

881
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:29,000
Like, I'm just like, yeah, I get
that. 

882
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:31,400
And so you're right. 
You, I do relate. 

883
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,900
At different times better than 
other races. 

884
00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:39,000
But I do want to make a point 
that, I believe that, every 

885
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,600
color can have the desire within
them to relate and to do the 

886
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,900
best that they could. 
And so to ask questions, if 

887
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,000
you're like, am I putting this 
in a way that makes sense? 

888
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,700
Or like asking those probing 
questions more so than just 

889
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:54,000
assuming that you understand 
things? 

890
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,800
I think that humility of like I 
might not get this. 

891
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Let me make sure that I'm 
presenting this in such a way or

892
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,800
relating to this person I think 
Can be done by everyone. 

893
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,000
I don't believe that this is an 
exclusive thing where 

894
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
African-Americans could only be 
taken care of by 

895
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,200
African-Americans. 
I don't believe that. 

896
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,500
Yeah, I think, but I think the 
problem is Healthcare as a whole

897
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:16,500
needs to get rid of that 
arrogance that they can do every

898
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,400
yes, and to admit. 
So, I mean, it's like, it's a 

899
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,100
certain level of arrogance. 
Yeah, I agree. 

900
00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:23,600
And I think to admit, I don't 
know this. 

901
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,900
And so I want to bridge that 
Gap. 

902
00:47:25,900 --> 00:47:28,300
That requires humility. 
And that is something that I 

903
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:30,800
don't really see a lot in 
healthcare. 

904
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,000
So, That's very good. 
Very good point. 

905
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,900
Last question is, what advice do
you have for a new nurse who 

906
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:41,500
starting off in her career? 
That is a piece of advice. 

907
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:44,600
You would say you want to keep 
and a piece of advice to toss. 

908
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:51,200
Okay, first, the piece of advice
I would tell us, you do not have

909
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,300
to start off a mysterious every 
what's that? 

910
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,300
I think that is a common 
misconception. 

911
00:47:55,300 --> 00:47:58,600
You do not have to start in the 
med surg. 

912
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:02,400
Med-surg is a graveyard every 
med, surg nurses. 

913
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,000
I've ever met. 
They talk to themselves at the 

914
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,400
ATM. 
Yeah. 

915
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,500
Or they talk to themselves in 
the lunch line. 

916
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:10,600
I've never seen a med-surg. 
There's that wasn't Driven 

917
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Crazy. 
You do not have to start. 

918
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,300
That is that is the advice I 
want. 

919
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:17,400
I did the well, it got. 
They don't win this. 

920
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,000
I love that drives me crazy. 
Do not listen to these old 

921
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,900
archetypes. 
Tell you what you have to do. 

922
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:27,300
Yes, you can do what you want. 
I love that and tossed. 

923
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,100
Okay. 
So toss that and then to keep 

924
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,400
one piece of advice to keep and 
have to keep your eggs in one 

925
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,300
basket. 
The idea is freedom. 

926
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:37,400
We want to get away from the day
side. 

927
00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,100
Let's be free. 
We can't spend our whole lives. 

928
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,000
You don't want to be that one 
nurse on a unit that has the 

929
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,000
jacked up back the drags, one 
foot monster. 

930
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:50,700
Some patients you want to be 
free, such yourself up, we're in

931
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:52,700
the profession where we make 
decent money. 

932
00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:55,600
I mean it's even to the point 
where Congress wants to kept 

933
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,600
like traveling respect. 
That's all good evening. 

934
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,500
Yeah. 
We can, we can leverage 

935
00:48:59,500 --> 00:49:04,600
high-net-worth into free s. 
We're in a very unique position.

936
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:06,800
I mean, most nurses within a 
three-year time. 

937
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,800
Period, can make six figures. 
It's only like, I will say like 

938
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,600
maybe 10 to 12 percent of the 
people making six figures. 

939
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,600
So yeah, let's live. 
This, I feel like you can start 

940
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,800
something that hustle 
Investments, whatever you can to

941
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:27,000
have, as much pay you to buy 
your freedom out of working, 

942
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,500
full time, you need your peace, 
your time out. 

943
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:34,700
This is my advice, your time is 
worth more than you value it. 

944
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,700
Hmm. 
So respect. 

945
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:40,000
Yeah, yeah, your time is 
valuable and you don't realize 

946
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,300
it, but it's so funny. 
When you're young nurse to you, 

947
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,900
don't realize that at least I 
did it. 

948
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:50,600
I looked at things and material 
things, as I had to work a shift

949
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,200
for that, or I got to go on this
trip and so you would kind of 

950
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:58,100
look, I looked at it like it was
just a shift instead of that's 

951
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:01,600
my time. 
And so once I had my son, I 

952
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:05,900
began to realize, oh my gosh, my
time super valuable because I'm 

953
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:09,800
actually having to trade my time
with my son for a job, and 

954
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,900
that's when it became the 
commodity became very high, 

955
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,000
right? 
So before we go a handbag, Shoes

956
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,000
that trip to Austin, whatever it
was, it was fine to trade, my 

957
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,400
time for that, but then when it 
became, no, no, the time is with

958
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,800
my son, and that's now the 
commodity that gets traded. 

959
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,900
The price was too high. 
Something had to change. 

960
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:35,000
And so since yeah, right. 
This is book called your money 

961
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,100
or your life. 
I think the author's name is 

962
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:38,700
Vicki. 
Robin, you ever read it. 

963
00:50:39,500 --> 00:50:40,900
I'm so sorry. 
Now that you've said it, you've 

964
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:44,100
got to buckle your your money or
your life, that's two bucks. 

965
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:47,700
I got a list. 
I'm like this self-help 

966
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:50,700
development of that. 
So, I mean, the thing with your 

967
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:54,700
money or your life, she breaks 
down every product that you buy 

968
00:50:54,700 --> 00:50:57,500
in two hours of your life, so I 
don't know. 

969
00:50:57,500 --> 00:50:59,300
So you make $20 an hour, right? 
Yeah. 

970
00:50:59,700 --> 00:51:02,900
And you want to buy, you know, a
new pair of Jordans tennis shoes

971
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,700
for like, $180, how many hours 
of your life to those tennis 

972
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:08,600
shoes? 
Cause she, yeah, you know, yeah.

973
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,400
When you could have bought Nike 
stock about it that way by few 

974
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,600
bison, a Nike stock, then again,
appreciate Exactly. 

975
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,400
Yeah. 
Like pre-pandemic Nike was like 

976
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,800
I think Nike got as low as like 
$79 or something like that as 

977
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,300
far as the stock 10-point like 
117, is some point, it's crazy 

978
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,600
people listening. 
We if you have another show and 

979
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,900
you want to talk about Financial
Freedom, I come back because 

980
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:36,700
I'll break it down. 
I loved it, I loved it. 

981
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,500
That's like my favorite thing 
like and I'm going to start 

982
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:42,600
breaking it down. 
I had a Blog from like years ago

983
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,700
that I never touched his 
financing. 

984
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:46,900
Dot-com. 
I'm going to, I'm going to start

985
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:50,700
making it active again, because 
that was really, really fun 

986
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:52,800
time. 
My yeah, these people don't, 

987
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,400
they got to get it, got to get 
it and tell me, hey, great 

988
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,200
nurses. 
We spend so much of our Lives 

989
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,100
serving and caring for others. 
We need people looking out for 

990
00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:03,600
us and making sure that we are 
getting taken care of, because 

991
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,300
we take care of everybody. 
So he says that because I'll 

992
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,500
tell you, I'll leave you with 
this message, whether this my 

993
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,700
last thing, I'll say on here 
jobs, don't care about you, they

994
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
will replace you with The next 
person up, they will replace you

995
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:20,600
with the next perky one here. 
The minute you fall, true. 

996
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,700
So that's so true. 
Gearbox yourself more than a 

997
00:52:23,707 --> 00:52:25,800
job. 
Hey man, I'm with you, man. 

998
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:28,900
So for the last part of our 
interview is the rapid fire 

999
00:52:28,900 --> 00:52:33,000
questions, question. 
Questions, you ready? 

1000
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,800
This is great. 
If you gave someone a book to 

1001
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,200
read, what would it be four hour
work week? 

1002
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,400
That's a very good. 
One of my favorite books. 

1003
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:43,900
Name a song that makes you 
happy. 

1004
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,200
Asana makes me happy. 
Yeah. 

1005
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Kendrick Lamar humble humble 
Kendrick Lamar, but I don't 

1006
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:57,200
think I know that one sit down 
be humble, hold up. 

1007
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,100
Sit down. 
And what's your favorite 

1008
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:03,500
restaurant? 
Opens? 

1009
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:05,200
Heatley. 
Bistro is the place here in 

1010
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,800
Baltimore. 
It's a French Bistro that you 

1011
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,900
have the best like they have the
best eggplant Napoleon and show.

1012
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,100
The service. 
Me and my wife has been going 

1013
00:53:16,100 --> 00:53:18,700
there for like 11 years. 
We go for every anniversary and 

1014
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:21,600
it's the same maitre d there. 
He remembers this area. 

1015
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Gosh, how sweet is beautiful? 
That's it for questions. 

1016
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:30,800
Thank you so much for coming on 
today. 

1017
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,500
Theo and sharing your journey 
and yeah I encouraging nurses to

1018
00:53:34,500 --> 00:53:36,300
go get free. 
So what we're about here, the 

1019
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,100
doctors podcast. 
So thank you. 

1020
00:53:39,100 --> 00:53:41,700
Oh yeah, we supposed to be rich 
and we supposed to be free. 

1021
00:53:41,700 --> 00:53:44,400
That's how it is. 
And where can people find you? 

1022
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Give us a Shameless plug. 
Oh yes, you can find me at 

1023
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,300
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1024
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,400
You can find me at, we can wait 
koat.com. 

1025
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:57,700
You can find me at Finance, 
nurse.com and college, boy, 

1026
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:00,500
Jones FNP. 
That's my personal page. 

1027
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:02,400
That one seems to be a lot more 
popular. 

1028
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:04,900
You could find me all over the 
place. 

1029
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:06,700
I'm out in this world. 
I love it. 

1030
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,200
And guys, thanks for listening 
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1031
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,400
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We are at the end of our time 

1032
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,800
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1033
00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:19,700
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1034
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1039
00:54:34,308 --> 00:54:37,000
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1040
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1041
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:42,800
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1042
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,300
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00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:48,300
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1045
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1046
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1047
00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:58,300
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1048
00:54:58,300 --> 00:55:01,600
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1049
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,200
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1050
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,100
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1051
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,600
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1052
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,100
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