Welcome to the doctor nurse podcast.
I'm your host, dr. Sandra contenta.
I'm a doctor, Lee prepared nurse practitioner.
And I am so glad you decided to join me today.
The doctor nurse podcast is a podcast for nurses and nurse
practitioners that are wanting to understand what exactly their
degrees can do for them. After the birth of my son, I had
this baking desire to have more flexibility in my career
choices. Despite feeling like all the
alphabet soup, after my name didn't really afford me.
Me very many options, I launched the podcast to find the answers
that I so desperately needed. But I also knew I couldn't be
the only nurse who felt this way.
This is sound like you, if so, come and hang out with me as I
figure out what our nursing degrees can give us access to,
as far as career flexibility control, over our schedules and
Entrepreneurship my talking with NPS and our friends who are
doing exactly that. Sit back and enjoy the
conversation. Ha ha ha.
Welcome to the podcast. We're having way too much fun.
We're even got started. I love it.
Absolutely love it. So, Janine.
Palbok is a be a Sonoran. Looks like you're certified OB.
Yeah, certified an Opie. She's a wife, a mom of two boys
and a Great Dane, which dog babies count.
Peter and author of the book entrepreneurs, which is a book
that tells you about 30 plus nurses, that turned into
business owners and they share their secrets.
Your to success. She has been a freelance Health
content writer, since 2013, and she's the CEO of right nurse,
she also hosts The Savvy, scribe podcast and owns The Savvy nurse
writer.com and she helps health care companies with their
content and social needs. Welcome to the podcast.
Janine, I'm a fan of you. I'm so happy to have you on.
Thank you so much. I appreciate that.
Excited to be here. And, like you said, too much fun
before even 9:00 a.m. is always Good day, good start to our day,
my coffee at. Oh my goodness.
And I can imagine, I can't imagine.
Well I've introduced you to my guests.
Please kind of describe you how you see yourself day-to-day kind
of how you see your role as as a nurse sure sure.
So I started my career back in 2006 at the bedside and in OB
like you said and I underst here in Cleveland Ohio and I started
at Archery Center downtown. And I've done like all the
things between bedside nurse, the preceptor to charge nurse to
Editor to assistant nurse manager, all the things, except
probably director. I was on night shift for about
10 years, did all that stuff. And, but I was always working a
side job or working for the PRN. And I noticed that a lot of
nurses are also doing the same and I was like floundering in
the space of like I don't know what I want to do.
Like I I love OB and I don't see myself leaving Ali but I just
don't think there's Missing trailer.
Was I realized that it wasn't like another job.
It wasn't working for someone. There was this like I'm preneur
spirit inside of me that I didn't know really existed until
plea. It was when I was working a
Homecare job for pregnant women and I would go out to their
houses in the inner city of Cleveland and give them their
injections and I was like I'm My Own throughout the day, I just
chart and then I like schedule my patients and make sure
everybody was coordinated and I only called the center If I
really needed something which are really never really did.
So, it was like, great. But then I realized, oh my
please. There's, there's something here,
like I know, I like to work by myself because I am
self-motivated and I know what I need to do.
And you know what he's done, but there's gotta be something more.
Like, I crave that time with my family.
My time, my kids, I was picking up a bunch of Night Shift, like
for extra money for extra time, whatever.
And it was still just like that. You know what else to do.
So I went Many nurses on the Google search of what contenders
do other side and I found that through nursing.
But through mom's a mom, that was doing freelance writing and
no idea what that meant. I didn't know what a freelancer
was. I didn't know what the heck they
wrote, or who they wrote for, and I had no idea that you can
make money doing it. But that's kind of how it
started. I went down that path and got
some support in that group and grew a freelance writing
business on the side of see those two jobs, the Home Care
job in the bedside job at that time to try to figure out what
it was and then I fell in love with it.
I was like, Yep, this is exactly what I want.
I'm with my kids working whenever I want, it was great.
Fantastic. And has your freelance nursing
Savvy writer nurse career. Taken the place of working
bedside are you working bedside still and still working in the
Home Care job or are you just are you just doing that or you
split stuff? So, I started this back in 2015.
Officially what I started my bit of my LLC whatever.
And this past March is when I put bedside nursing.
I slowly went down this whole time anyway part time and then I
would PRN and then I eventually fizzled.
The rest out after I transitioned into an agency, has
what I am now. So yeah, it was Control process
but that was okay for me that's how I wanted to have it go.
But I like about that too. And a lot of people describe it
on the podcast is when you take your time, it feels less
stressful than when you're Like just fall in, you know, like
when I say like balls to the walls, you just throw it all in
all chips in Casino Royale style.
You just take your time when you play the game, but it's a lot
less stressful, especially when you have children.
Especially when you're a mom that Liberty.
I feel like is something that's reserved for someone that's not
have a kid. That's like your mom was to eat,
you know what you've got? Yeah.
It's a lot more risky to just
throw it all in, so that's slowly gradual.
Backing away from the work as you ramp up your side household.
I think it's just a lot of wisdom, especially for people
that have people depending on them.
So I like that a lot. How did you choose nurse writing
and how to be a writer, was this something that you kind of sat
down, or like, these are my strengths.
These are things that I'm good at and then how you were able to
channel that into something that you can do.
Because I know a lot of nurses are sitting there and they're
like, okay. I don't really know what I'm
good at, I like writing. Yeah, don't like writing, I like
blogging, but I don't like writing.
So, like how did you kind of if through your soul and figure out
like, this is what lights me up. This is what I'm called to do.
How'd you find it? So I think the first thing was
that the neural Spirit, if you're going to work for
yourself and whatever, you're good at and you don't want to be
an employee of somebody else. I think that's where I had to
channel in first is like, I am self-motivated.
I know what needs done, I'm organized and I'm pretty
productive. I can get a lot of things done
in a day, probably more than most people.
And it's because I And everything, and it works out of
course Seasons, a life happen and it doesn't always work out.
But in general, that's kind of how I plan my days and I think
to the writing wasn't what sparked me at first, it was more
of the drive. What could get me home?
What can, what can I do that? I would still enjoy.
And what I did enjoy was when I went for my bachelor's, I did it
online, and I went through a program that I didn't have any
tests. I had all papers and that's when
I Sighs. You know I like I love
evidence-based research. I love putting things into
language that makes sense for people rather than these
scholarly kind of Articles all the time I was able to write a
paper that actually kind of made sense and people would actually
enjoy reading it. So there I actually enjoy
writing and a lot of people don't enjoy writing it's a skill
that a lot of people really don't enjoy but what it is is
it's also something that you can improve on and I think a lot of
nurses that come to me and Billie Jean.
The start my own writing business, but I don't think I'm
a good writer. Usually, what I say is what were
you a good nurse when he first started as an earth?
No, you're not. Everybody sucks at first and
it's the same thing like nursing we needed a degree to do exactly
what we're doing. We had to do a lot of experience
and clinicals and whatnot, but in writing, I compare it to an
IV start. We all sucked at it at first,
but then over time, you might be working with a preceptor who's
like, you know, do this before you try to do your ID try and
get the vein to Do this. Look here first and over time,
you kind of pile these things together and now you could
probably start an IV on anybody and that's a skill that you
develop, whereas Nursing degree is something that you had to
study and really eventually get a license to do writings
different. You don't need another four year
degree to become a writer. You just really need to practice
and practice and practice and then you end up getting good at
it. It takes time like anything.
But that's why I'm going in on, is that I knew I was organized.
I knew As productive. I was always the person on our
unit, that was putting things together, thinking outside the
box, and was able to put that into my own work and my own
business. Yeah, I think a couple things, I
think a lot of nurses are naturally good at that part that
you're describing the planning part, the implementation part
the thinking outside of the box. I remember following after a
nurse and just being like, how did she figure out how to just
like, so we hung the ovilus that and then we had to like
piggyback, that with the D5, because it's not compatible.
So we To make sure that we have the normal saline running
through the port. We got that like every nurse
just naturally does this, right? And we don't even realize that
these skills that we acquire at our job, like very nicely into
running your own business. Yet in the moment, you just
think, I'm just figuring out how to get a patient's medications.
No, you aren't, you are actually figuring out how to create
Solutions, which is what business owners have to do
constantly. They clearly have to have this
well, successful business, owners have to have this mindset
of abundance. I Problems.
I just see I need to make Solutions and I need to get to
these points and then I have to be well planned, right?
So I remember also as a nurse in order for me to get my day
started, I had to get my brain right.
I literally have to write my brain from the hours of 7:00, in
the morning, till 7:00 at night. I knew, when this picture was
getting a subcu injection. I knew what this patient, we
went to Radiology for this period of time, I have to catch
up on his meds. It's what we do.
I think it's just so interesting that you were very clearly able
to see that. These are things that you just
naturally, do. They are Oh, Clifford, he's
there things that become easy and you're right.
It does truly very nicely into business.
The next thing I was thinking about when you were talking was
you know, what have you been able to grow in your business?
So I know you're an author. I've read your book.
It's very, very good. In fact, I think I read your
book. I want to say it was like three
or four years ago. Look, it's in my Kindle, the
kid. I loved it.
And it was funny because when you say when we started talking
about you coming on the podcast, I was like that title of.
That book is really familiar and then I was like, That book that
I read like x amount of years ago, except it's just such a
cool, like, aha moment. It was a fun book, such a great
book and it's so chock-full of information.
I started. I think that's what probably
sparked a, yes. There's a lot of ideas.
Yes. Business people like, oh no, we
can build stuff. We can make stuff.
We are actually creative, like yeah, we don't just have to be
in the hospital so that I have to give you credit on that and
so everyone can hear those, this work.
Yeah, it's just so cool, but I know you're an author, you've
got your business. Do you like your business where
you teach nurses, how to grow their own writing businesses?
And then kind of what you've been able to kind of Branch out
almost like what I like to call like roots of the business.
And so you're able to pull in more Revenue.
So what have you been able to develop as an entrepreneurial
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episode. So I think going back to how I
slowly left. The bedside, I think I would
have left sooner if 2020 didn't happen, but 2020 happen.
And even though it took me a minute to leave the bedside, it
actually changed my whole business and I was doing Savvy
nurse writer my podcast Savvy. Scribe started as like a podcast
to help nurses go into their own freelance writing businesses.
The from the podcast, I was the only group coaching and then I
developed a course, but it wasn't like where I wanted it to
be and then in 2020, I launch plan produce profit which is the
course for nurses to become freelance writer.
So, like the podcast feeds, you know, a feeds feeds each other.
Honestly, and that was great. It was wonderful.
I was helping a lot of nurses while I still had.
And so my business, right? RN is my freelance writing
business for myself. So like what I help nurses do
That was mine and so I had my own clients and so I would have
projects for them and then I was still coaching nurses.
Well then in 2020 I ended up having to then be so I was the
unit editor at that time. So like I said, I work in OB So
Not only was covid a mask or in the hospital.
Obie was particularly a mess because we had absolutely no
idea about how covid-19 Of patience and a lot of nurses
quitting. I love interest of starting and
I had two handles and I was doing kind of hours so that I
can remote teach my children, which I never want to do my
entire life. Plus, I had pretty much
full-time client work in my writing business.
So I was like, something has to give children, can't give him a
job, pays my bills and my benefits.
I can't let that go. But the writing Biz has, I got I
got to do something here. So I coached a lot of those
nurses and I was like, hey girls.
I have a lot of clients and I can't meet these deadlines.
Anybody want some work? Oh yeah.
Well free client work. Absolutely.
So I was subcontracting these nurses to work with these
clients and it worked out. Wonderful, really great.
But then I was like, wait I think I got something here.
So what ended up happening over the last three years was I built
this database of nurse writers who have Specialties from, he's
too courteous. To mental health, to the oh,
beat wherever. And we have this huge database
of writers or aspiring writers who write for clients of right
RN, that's how we're an agency. So for example, like some of our
clients are like Sports Illustrated or there's a mental
health eating disorder client, right?
For a few medical universities for their blog, a couple
Hospital blogs. So some of them want like that
eating disorder, they want Nurses that work with patients
being Disorder. So we're able to like match up
nurses with, with the client, but I'm like the middleman, so
now I don't do. Yeah, I don't think too much of
the writings per se. I do a lot of the project
management day-to-day stuff. So my focus is more on that and
on the course of my students, which is wonderful because we
have so much going on in there. It's not just like a course, we
have life guests and we have workshops and we have Q&A
sessions and in a whole bunch of fun stuff to have.
Have like a community of writers not just like a course that you
sign up for and like learning you're done, so it's it's
awesome. It is like nothing I could ever
predict predicted three years ago by any means you know what
is so funny. As you were talking like I was
just getting like my heart just felt like it was swelling.
I was just like, oh my gosh like this is like it brings me so
much. Joy to hear how things, just
forgetting Lee develop and you're like, wait a minute.
Yes, I've been here like was it something that you like
intentionally tried to build or make or like produce like you
were just paying attention and you're just like, oh wait yeah.
I think I got something here. Like, and again, like I don't
think it could have happened to a better person but, you know, I
think the best part two is that you go back to how you started
and where you are now and it's so incredible to watch the
growth. There is no cap.
There is no ceiling on what you can do now.
Yeah, right. And like, with horrible Jobs
with, you know, any type of employment type job.
Well, you think is just, you have opportunities, you're going
to have growth. But there's always a ceiling to
talk the cap is because there's study that's dictating what you
can and cannot do. And so by doing something for
yourself, and this is what I want your sister here.
Like by starting something small, even if it is not even
nursing related, I mean, it was for you in this case, but for
some people that's, it's not, they just want to start.
Ticketing and they just want to just Cricket like so do it.
Like, go get started because it could be this thing that you can
just eventually go. Oh, wait a minute.
How did I? I got something here like and
it's just so neat to hear your story.
And again it just fills my heart with so much joy to hear that.
Because I want that for so many nurses like again, if they want,
the entrepreneurial route. But even so even if this was
just a hobby or something that you enjoy doing, yeah.
Talk extra money about right. It's just a little extra money
on the side, I can get you to your goals because her your
brain, you know, it's not like you're working another 12 and
like going to work and has a fine pitch for the kids and and
all that stuff like it's just a such a you know, there's there's
it's obviously not like about the money, there's so many other
things to entrepreneurship that like is things.
I never even knew like, you know, it's winter here right now
and the snow days, for example, we would like fight.
My husband died. You call off.
Do you call if I had to call? Two points.
If I call off, now you're always right now it's like everybody's
home. Cool, like whatever.
And then it's like, just in summertime, we got to go on and
we, we took our camper, which we didn't have back then because we
can never go camping. But we took our camper this past
year up, through Maine, and, like, through the New England
area, and I had a hot spot. I was able to sit in the car for
eight hours while he drove in answering emails and did this.
And that, and it was like amazing.
It's just, it's just a Life that I never thought we could
possibly have. And, you know, it's really, I've
inspired which, you know, makes my heart swell.
Other people in my life, like not just like the nurses that I
helped. Like my brother-in-law started a
Tea and Spice Shop in here in Cleveland and he was a radiology
tech at the bedside like totally different and he was like I want
I want a different type of life and you know, if you if you feel
like go for it, Like, take the risk.
If you can, if you can't do Affiliated risk, like, think
about it now that like, like, you're going to a casino
throwing all your money away, you need to think about.
You need to have a plan and you need to know, okay?
The worst thing that could possibly happen, is this fail
and guess what? There's always gonna be a bad
side job for me, always like I'm not concerned about it, but then
you get this, like stubbornness inside of your stuff like, well,
I'm not gonna let it fail. So I'm not going to do that.
And I love what you're saying about the impact that you can
make, because you're limited to the scope of your hospital field
or wherever you're working, you're limited to their values
and beliefs, right? So you know how whenever you get
started a job and they give you that sheet of paper that says,
these are our core values. And so, like, they give you the
core values because Huddle's know people don't spend the time
personally to create their core values, but Hospital
institutions know, we need to have a set of core values,
because if we don't have a goal post, we don't have something
that we're trying to. Like uses our boundaries, we're
going to drift. So if you notice guys little
setup values and beliefs and then they put them on us, right?
And we were like these are values.
So you need to make sure you push them.
But when you're a business owner, you could just set your
values. You get to set your beliefs, you
get to go, it's important for me to be there.
When my kids need me, it's important to me to go on those
vacations and make those core memories with my children, and
my family, and my husband. And it's also important to me to
impact the Curve. Career of nursing as a whole.
Because think about all the other women, all the other men,
nurses that you were able to help grow businesses that
they're able to create their own lives.
They would have never had that impact in the hospital.
Yes, you take care of patients, but yeah, like, individual
people that you're changing their lives.
That's so cool. Well, that's what I struggled
with those. And our was when I went into
this, I was like, how am I going to help people anymore?
Like I was really struggling with that late because all I can
think of is Uh, nurse helped patients a nurse helps patients
in ourselves and I've helped so many patients over 20 years.
Like, I delivered so many people's babies that were like,
I called my repeat offenders. Like that come in, have more and
more babies. And like, we're like friends now
and like, you see with the community and it's like, Bahama
do that like, I miss it like how am I going to do that?
But then like you said, nurses have come to me and they're like
you helped me. Even it was like you helped me
get tires on my car. You only pay for groceries as
they wish. Without you I couldn't have paid
off my student debt. Without you I couldn't have done
this done that and I'm like oh my God, what a full career took
action and doing it. But truly I gave him that outlet
to be able to do that. And it's mind-blowing like how
you feel like you've done that and I didn't even realize it
until other people have said it. And I'm like, yes, I am.
Well, that's pretty cool. Like I said, I never realized
people reading your book you don't even realize you're like
Over it, loves it. Thank you.
Yes, fantastic. So what is something that you
would go back and tell your younger self at the start of
your career that you wish, you would have known as a baby
bedside nurse that you're like, looking back, you would give her
as a piece of advice. I think it's go to what other
people wanted me to do. Go back to school, go do this,
go do that because that's what you're supposed to do.
And I I almost went and got a master's in either, nursing
education or Midwifery, I almost did, but I knew I didn't want to
do that. I but I was told, well, you
know, you don't everything at the hospital here so you can go
into Administration or you could go into Midwifery or like that's
at that. I don't know.
That doesn't seem like where I want to go.
And thank God, I didn't listen to it because I don't know where
I'd be. I'd be in a lot of debt, only
because I want to be pursuing what that was supposed to do.
Like, I like so, there's I think it's just a lot of it's just
follow your heart. Always always look Beyond like
where you are. Like if there's like look like
always educate yourself on everything.
It it's like, it doesn't matter if it's a diagnosis that
somebody has that you never heard of go look it up like
figure it out and just be prepared and just know that
there's your life isn't what it's going to look like now.
Like it shouldn't it shouldn't look like what it does.
Now 10 years from now it shouldn't be yes or no.
Bro, you know, that's good. But you're not growing.
You're stagnant and I love what you said about the debt and the
Midwifery program or the Masters, because it would also
that debt keeps you Shackled, right?
It keeps you Shackled. Yeah.
You the hospital and either in a loan repayment type project.
Huh? Exactly.
You're in a contract or even some of the nurses will find
themselves needing that income to pay their student loans.
Because their student loan is, is almost as much as their car
payment, you know, like or more. It's like, As much as they're,
you know, how depending on where you go to school.
They can be very expensive and so it's like, again, that's why
the side hustle. It's the side.
Hustle thing has become something I've been fixating on
because it's like the more we start to diversify our income,
the more it does give us freedom, it gives us options, it
gives us again if you could possibly make money while you're
asleep. I mean, come on.
This is like, this is, this is what we need to be doing, is
Nurses to set ourselves free. So that in turn we can turn to
hospitals and say Okay, so I know these are your beliefs and
values, but here are my. So for us to work together,
you're going to need to adhere to my beliefs and values because
I'm not just going to push yours.
I'm going to push mine because I'm in this relationship as
well, right? And so we're both going to come
together and work together because I'm only going to do
this. I don't need you for the full 40
hours a week. I don't need the, you know,
whatever it is, whatever it is, that you need the hot before.
You guys can create a symbiotic relationship.
Instead of this solo, the solo. Nation ship and I just need you,
please don't let me go because you're hearing about the nurses,
right? You know, striking up and
cyanide on its sting all this stuff on Instagram and I'm like,
what is going on? But I do just kind of go like,
yes, I don't know what's happening but we're fighting
back. We're trying to say, Hey listen,
like value was and so I when I solve it wasn't just about
money, it's not about money than they just think that nurses are
so greedy and it's like, well, first off just pay us, what were
worth? Nobody will be greedy and second
like, no, it's not about that spot.
Our safety is but our length that we work so hard for like
disrespect us and yeah, it's a shame.
It really is that they that they just don't see it and that
nurses a little piano sickening, honestly.
Yes, I love the movie ants. Have you seen that movie?
Answer you give kids. Yeah, you remember ants.
Yes. So I remember watching it just
recently with my toddler and I saw it through a different lens
for the first time. Like I watched it before and on
the go and it's revolting against the Crickets, but the
ants outnumbered the Crickets, right?
Like there's four million nurses, there's 400,000 plus or
minus nurse practitioners like there's a whole lot of us and
yet we let the Crickets come in and run the place.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah so I remember watching
minutes that you know is it got a Disney movie?
I don't know why I'm getting amped up about this like Disney
movie and my kid is just like, you know, they're just antsy
crickets. Like it's not ants.
It's the nurses and it's the, you know, but their head.
Yeah. You watch that movie now,
everyone watches it, you're like that like we need to see our
value, we need to know our worth and then we need to Advocate to
be treated that way. And so yeah I agree with you
100% wonderfully sad when things really like pissed me off that
are like safety-related and they're not respecting nurses
and like whatever. They would like come up on our
new unit and they're like we're going to be cutting staff and
blah blah blah blah blah. And I be the only one to speak
up. Nobody would speak up.
I don't know if they're afraid of you're fired.
If I just didn't care, I was just like, you can't do that.
Like, why would you do that arrays?
Like, you know, it's true that's like, never be in a like a
dinner roll because I'm not a yes, man.
And I'm not going to stand for it and I think that's kind of
what pushed me to the limit. At the end of my career.
At the bedside was I couldn't. I couldn't handle it anymore, I
couldn't handle the dictatorship and the You know, the ruling us
all the time and it's like, no, no.
That's just because we work for you doesn't mean you own us.
And yes, that's how it is. I hate it.
Yeah, I went up there recently just to visit and everybody's
like, oh you coming back to me and I just still saw it.
I'm like couple things here then I'm like that's the reason I
left. That's the reason I left and I'm
like, it's still it's so prevalent now and when you're in
it you're like yeah I could deal with it.
Yeah, I could do with it now. I don't have to deal with it,
I'm like, oh, I'm so glad I'm not there.
So glad ya know and I think, you know, it is so funny.
I just had this thought as you were talking, but again, I think
going back to that same mentality of getting hospitals,
to respect our our skills and our value.
When you begin to operate and you start to see your worth and
value, you then require everyone else around you to step up its
like I'm just not going to take you where I'm gonna go and so
when you swing hot will start to view us that way, it's less
about, you know, No becomes more about Nurse retention.
How do we keep nurses? Because they have so many
options that were just one of them.
Okay, we're not the only one, right?
And, so, when nurses start branching out and saying, yo,
yo, I've got another incomes. Think you're just one of them.
So what you're not going to do is run me ragged?
What you're not going to do? Like when nurses have the
option, then it's almost like dating, right?
Like, it's another like sounds come, yes, but it is.
It's like dating your just like listen.
Yeah I got a I got this guy guy after me.
This guy after me, I married this guy, because he's great.
And then I'm thinking about adding another one.
So, I'm just letting you know, like, if you don't worry about,
it's fine, I've got other ones like it's very, that's okay,
right? Ready?
All of us, girls, get you more choices.
It's so funny to me, how, like, skittish, like, nurses, get
around, even doctors or the CEO, or whatever, who cares they are.
Human beings are going to see him, you know, Giant Eagle, our
grocery store down the road, like they're just normal human
beings and I think that's the other thing too.
Is a lot of people can't talk to the higher-ups because they're
like they're afraid or something and it's nonsense.
It's that so yeah no it's true. And what you're saying is Well
as again, I think in healthcare. We see ourselves as like the
that we separate ourselves from the patient and even that is
like another hierarchy class, you know, we're ossification
that we try to live with. Those are the patients on the
nurse? Then there's the nurse practice.
Yes. And there's the doctor, then
there's, you know, him sugar. And so, there's this like class
system when we realized, like, no, look, we're all rowing the
same boat, like we're all Moors. And so without us, the boat
doesn't go just like without the doctors.
The boats don't go in. And without the people running
the business, it doesn't go. I mean, we're all needed and so
it needs to be kind of more of a collaborative thing.
I like this book called. I think it's good to great or
built to last. Those two books are so good but
they talked a lot about getting the right people on the bus,
right? And so a bus, all the seats on
the bus, like you just gotta get the bus rolling and you want the
right people in the right spots, doing the right things that are
towards, you know, that shows them that they're respectful the
respecting, their needed on the bus because the 1st is necessary
for the bus to get going. But having the right people in
the right spots. And so I like that book a lot
because it just kind of goes back to like that that mindset
of like we're all needed like none of us or any higher or
lower. But just something about human
nature. Just wants to devalue certain
people and lift other people up and it's just like, yeah, we've
got to fight that because you will find that you can be a
janitor and have more influence on people and some of the
Physicians and I've met doctors that I If my son acted like this
guy, I would be so upset. I have failed as a parent.
Whereas I'll need a janitor and I'm like having that my kid acts
like that. Janitor I would be so proud of
him because he works his butt off.
He doesn't complain. He's always looking at, he'll
look for the patient and he'll go into the room and he'll bring
something to the patient. I'm like just the janitor
venetians pride in church. Yes, you're just the janitor but
I've seen them do little things for people.
Some of them have done that and I'm think this Sons of leader.
Period doesn't matter what they're doing.
They're just leading. Yeah, and it's incredible to
watch. So today, for the last part of
the interview, let's just leave it on that, is the rapid fire
questions that I want to get. I want you to give a Shameless
plug for your business. Okay, so okay, what is your
favorite holiday? My favorite holiday is
Halloween, because I have a addiction.
You're the first to come on with Halloween just like the candy.
That's so funny. So funny.
And then what is your spirit animal?
If you had to pick an animal that you felt like you see and
you're like my spirit. Isn't that animal?
What would you say? Bird any type of bird?
I feel like I feel like birds and I like, I don't know, I
think because they can go anywhere they want and they're
not limited limited, by anything they could go south.
They could go north, like they can do whatever they want.
I think that's what I like about a bird.
So when I asked you that question, you know what animal
Pops in my head for you and an eagle and eagle and I don't know
why it's ego. And then you send bird and I was
like, well there it is. I just knew it.
I was like she's like an eagle totally what.
Okay. And then like five foot and like
100 pounds, really small Eagle but I would eat the eagle.
That's funny. And then what are your favorite?
Pizza? Toppings, if you have any GE
Pizza, I don't know if you pizza but what is a favorite pizza?
Topping pizza? Yeah.
Like veggie person, like any like, all the things, all the
things, all the things, like everything, like pineapple with
like a mushroom all of it. Never actually had anchovies,
but I'd probably go up. I don't know, I'm not picky.
I can't have all that together that or if you chicken pizza,
that's a good fuck. Yeah, that's good.
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