1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,100 Welcome to the doctor nurse podcast. 2 00:00:03,100 --> 00:00:05,100 I'm your host, dr. Sandra contenta. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,400 I'm a doctor, Lee prepared nurse practitioner. 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,300 And I am so glad you decided to join me today. 5 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,900 The doctor nurse podcast is a podcast for nurses and nurse 6 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:17,400 practitioners that are wanting to understand what exactly their 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,400 degrees can do for them. After the birth of my son, I had 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,500 this baking desire to have more flexibility in my career 9 00:00:24,500 --> 00:00:27,100 choices. Despite feeling like all the 10 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:30,200 alphabet soup, after my name didn't really afford me. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,900 Me very many options, I launched the podcast to find the answers 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,000 that I so desperately needed. But I also knew I couldn't be 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,800 the only nurse who felt this way. 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,200 This is sound like you, if so, come and hang out with me as I 15 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,100 figure out what our nursing degrees can give us access to, 16 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:51,000 as far as career flexibility control, over our schedules and 17 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,600 Entrepreneurship my talking with NPS and our friends who are 18 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,800 doing exactly that. Sit back and enjoy the 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,800 conversation. Ha ha ha. 20 00:01:00,500 --> 00:01:03,400 Welcome to the podcast. We're having way too much fun. 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,300 We're even got started. I love it. 22 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:07,900 Absolutely love it. So, Janine. 23 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:13,400 Palbok is a be a Sonoran. Looks like you're certified OB. 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,400 Yeah, certified an Opie. She's a wife, a mom of two boys 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,800 and a Great Dane, which dog babies count. 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,600 Peter and author of the book entrepreneurs, which is a book 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,900 that tells you about 30 plus nurses, that turned into 28 00:01:28,900 --> 00:01:30,200 business owners and they share their secrets. 29 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:33,000 Your to success. She has been a freelance Health 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:38,100 content writer, since 2013, and she's the CEO of right nurse, 31 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,000 she also hosts The Savvy, scribe podcast and owns The Savvy nurse 32 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,400 writer.com and she helps health care companies with their 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,800 content and social needs. Welcome to the podcast. 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,900 Janine, I'm a fan of you. I'm so happy to have you on. 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,900 Thank you so much. I appreciate that. 36 00:01:55,900 --> 00:01:58,400 Excited to be here. And, like you said, too much fun 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,300 before even 9:00 a.m. is always Good day, good start to our day, 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,700 my coffee at. Oh my goodness. 39 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:06,300 And I can imagine, I can't imagine. 40 00:02:06,700 --> 00:02:09,400 Well I've introduced you to my guests. 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,300 Please kind of describe you how you see yourself day-to-day kind 42 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:17,300 of how you see your role as as a nurse sure sure. 43 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:22,900 So I started my career back in 2006 at the bedside and in OB 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,300 like you said and I underst here in Cleveland Ohio and I started 45 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:31,400 at Archery Center downtown. And I've done like all the 46 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,400 things between bedside nurse, the preceptor to charge nurse to 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,400 Editor to assistant nurse manager, all the things, except 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,100 probably director. I was on night shift for about 49 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:44,400 10 years, did all that stuff. And, but I was always working a 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,100 side job or working for the PRN. And I noticed that a lot of 51 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:52,400 nurses are also doing the same and I was like floundering in 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,900 the space of like I don't know what I want to do. 53 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:59,300 Like I I love OB and I don't see myself leaving Ali but I just 54 00:02:59,300 --> 00:03:02,000 don't think there's Missing trailer. 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,300 Was I realized that it wasn't like another job. 56 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,600 It wasn't working for someone. There was this like I'm preneur 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,000 spirit inside of me that I didn't know really existed until 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,400 plea. It was when I was working a 59 00:03:14,408 --> 00:03:17,700 Homecare job for pregnant women and I would go out to their 60 00:03:17,700 --> 00:03:20,800 houses in the inner city of Cleveland and give them their 61 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,900 injections and I was like I'm My Own throughout the day, I just 62 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:27,600 chart and then I like schedule my patients and make sure 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,500 everybody was coordinated and I only called the center If I 64 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:32,900 really needed something which are really never really did. 65 00:03:32,900 --> 00:03:35,200 So, it was like, great. But then I realized, oh my 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,100 please. There's, there's something here, 67 00:03:37,100 --> 00:03:41,800 like I know, I like to work by myself because I am 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,100 self-motivated and I know what I need to do. 69 00:03:44,300 --> 00:03:47,200 And you know what he's done, but there's gotta be something more. 70 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:49,800 Like, I crave that time with my family. 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,500 My time, my kids, I was picking up a bunch of Night Shift, like 72 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,200 for extra money for extra time, whatever. 73 00:03:56,500 --> 00:03:59,100 And it was still just like that. You know what else to do. 74 00:03:59,100 --> 00:04:03,800 So I went Many nurses on the Google search of what contenders 75 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,900 do other side and I found that through nursing. 76 00:04:07,900 --> 00:04:12,100 But through mom's a mom, that was doing freelance writing and 77 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:14,100 no idea what that meant. I didn't know what a freelancer 78 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:15,700 was. I didn't know what the heck they 79 00:04:15,700 --> 00:04:19,200 wrote, or who they wrote for, and I had no idea that you can 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,000 make money doing it. But that's kind of how it 81 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,800 started. I went down that path and got 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,000 some support in that group and grew a freelance writing 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,700 business on the side of see those two jobs, the Home Care 84 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:35,000 job in the bedside job at that time to try to figure out what 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,300 it was and then I fell in love with it. 86 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:38,500 I was like, Yep, this is exactly what I want. 87 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,700 I'm with my kids working whenever I want, it was great. 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,000 Fantastic. And has your freelance nursing 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,800 Savvy writer nurse career. Taken the place of working 90 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,700 bedside are you working bedside still and still working in the 91 00:04:53,700 --> 00:04:57,000 Home Care job or are you just are you just doing that or you 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,200 split stuff? So, I started this back in 2015. 93 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:03,200 Officially what I started my bit of my LLC whatever. 94 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:06,500 And this past March is when I put bedside nursing. 95 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:09,300 I slowly went down this whole time anyway part time and then I 96 00:05:09,308 --> 00:05:11,800 would PRN and then I eventually fizzled. 97 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,900 The rest out after I transitioned into an agency, has 98 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:20,000 what I am now. So yeah, it was Control process 99 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,000 but that was okay for me that's how I wanted to have it go. 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,400 But I like about that too. And a lot of people describe it 101 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,700 on the podcast is when you take your time, it feels less 102 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:32,500 stressful than when you're Like just fall in, you know, like 103 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:35,300 when I say like balls to the walls, you just throw it all in 104 00:05:35,300 --> 00:05:38,100 all chips in Casino Royale style. 105 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:40,700 You just take your time when you play the game, but it's a lot 106 00:05:40,700 --> 00:05:42,400 less stressful, especially when you have children. 107 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,900 Especially when you're a mom that Liberty. 108 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:48,200 I feel like is something that's reserved for someone that's not 109 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,600 have a kid. That's like your mom was to eat, 110 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,900 you know what you've got? Yeah. 111 00:05:52,700 --> 00:05:57,000 Yeah. It's a lot more risky to just 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 throw it all in, so that's slowly gradual. 113 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:04,300 Backing away from the work as you ramp up your side household. 114 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,300 I think it's just a lot of wisdom, especially for people 115 00:06:07,300 --> 00:06:09,100 that have people depending on them. 116 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:13,000 So I like that a lot. How did you choose nurse writing 117 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,000 and how to be a writer, was this something that you kind of sat 118 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,800 down, or like, these are my strengths. 119 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,900 These are things that I'm good at and then how you were able to 120 00:06:20,900 --> 00:06:23,000 channel that into something that you can do. 121 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,100 Because I know a lot of nurses are sitting there and they're 122 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,400 like, okay. I don't really know what I'm 123 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,500 good at, I like writing. Yeah, don't like writing, I like 124 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:31,300 blogging, but I don't like writing. 125 00:06:31,300 --> 00:06:34,600 So, like how did you kind of if through your soul and figure out 126 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,900 like, this is what lights me up. This is what I'm called to do. 127 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,800 How'd you find it? So I think the first thing was 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,100 that the neural Spirit, if you're going to work for 129 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:46,200 yourself and whatever, you're good at and you don't want to be 130 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,700 an employee of somebody else. I think that's where I had to 131 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:51,400 channel in first is like, I am self-motivated. 132 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,800 I know what needs done, I'm organized and I'm pretty 133 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,700 productive. I can get a lot of things done 134 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,700 in a day, probably more than most people. 135 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,500 And it's because I And everything, and it works out of 136 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:05,100 course Seasons, a life happen and it doesn't always work out. 137 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:09,200 But in general, that's kind of how I plan my days and I think 138 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,600 to the writing wasn't what sparked me at first, it was more 139 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,700 of the drive. What could get me home? 140 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:19,100 What can, what can I do that? I would still enjoy. 141 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,600 And what I did enjoy was when I went for my bachelor's, I did it 142 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,500 online, and I went through a program that I didn't have any 143 00:07:26,500 --> 00:07:29,700 tests. I had all papers and that's when 144 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,300 I Sighs. You know I like I love 145 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:35,300 evidence-based research. I love putting things into 146 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:38,000 language that makes sense for people rather than these 147 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 scholarly kind of Articles all the time I was able to write a 148 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,000 paper that actually kind of made sense and people would actually 149 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,800 enjoy reading it. So there I actually enjoy 150 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:50,700 writing and a lot of people don't enjoy writing it's a skill 151 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:54,200 that a lot of people really don't enjoy but what it is is 152 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,300 it's also something that you can improve on and I think a lot of 153 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:00,100 nurses that come to me and Billie Jean. 154 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,100 The start my own writing business, but I don't think I'm 155 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:04,700 a good writer. Usually, what I say is what were 156 00:08:04,700 --> 00:08:06,700 you a good nurse when he first started as an earth? 157 00:08:06,900 --> 00:08:09,400 No, you're not. Everybody sucks at first and 158 00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:14,000 it's the same thing like nursing we needed a degree to do exactly 159 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,300 what we're doing. We had to do a lot of experience 160 00:08:16,300 --> 00:08:20,400 and clinicals and whatnot, but in writing, I compare it to an 161 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,000 IV start. We all sucked at it at first, 162 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,500 but then over time, you might be working with a preceptor who's 163 00:08:25,500 --> 00:08:29,200 like, you know, do this before you try to do your ID try and 164 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,799 get the vein to Do this. Look here first and over time, 165 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,500 you kind of pile these things together and now you could 166 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:39,100 probably start an IV on anybody and that's a skill that you 167 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:42,500 develop, whereas Nursing degree is something that you had to 168 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:47,400 study and really eventually get a license to do writings 169 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,300 different. You don't need another four year 170 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:51,900 degree to become a writer. You just really need to practice 171 00:08:51,900 --> 00:08:54,500 and practice and practice and then you end up getting good at 172 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:56,300 it. It takes time like anything. 173 00:08:56,300 --> 00:08:59,900 But that's why I'm going in on, is that I knew I was organized. 174 00:08:59,900 --> 00:09:02,500 I knew As productive. I was always the person on our 175 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,900 unit, that was putting things together, thinking outside the 176 00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:08,200 box, and was able to put that into my own work and my own 177 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,300 business. Yeah, I think a couple things, I 178 00:09:10,308 --> 00:09:14,600 think a lot of nurses are naturally good at that part that 179 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:18,100 you're describing the planning part, the implementation part 180 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:21,000 the thinking outside of the box. I remember following after a 181 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,300 nurse and just being like, how did she figure out how to just 182 00:09:24,300 --> 00:09:26,800 like, so we hung the ovilus that and then we had to like 183 00:09:26,900 --> 00:09:29,700 piggyback, that with the D5, because it's not compatible. 184 00:09:29,700 --> 00:09:31,900 So we To make sure that we have the normal saline running 185 00:09:31,900 --> 00:09:33,900 through the port. We got that like every nurse 186 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:37,100 just naturally does this, right? And we don't even realize that 187 00:09:37,100 --> 00:09:42,400 these skills that we acquire at our job, like very nicely into 188 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,100 running your own business. Yet in the moment, you just 189 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:47,800 think, I'm just figuring out how to get a patient's medications. 190 00:09:47,900 --> 00:09:52,000 No, you aren't, you are actually figuring out how to create 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,700 Solutions, which is what business owners have to do 192 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:56,400 constantly. They clearly have to have this 193 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:58,900 well, successful business, owners have to have this mindset 194 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:00,800 of abundance. I Problems. 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,600 I just see I need to make Solutions and I need to get to 196 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,800 these points and then I have to be well planned, right? 197 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,700 So I remember also as a nurse in order for me to get my day 198 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:10,400 started, I had to get my brain right. 199 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,000 I literally have to write my brain from the hours of 7:00, in 200 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,700 the morning, till 7:00 at night. I knew, when this picture was 201 00:10:16,700 --> 00:10:18,800 getting a subcu injection. I knew what this patient, we 202 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,400 went to Radiology for this period of time, I have to catch 203 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,500 up on his meds. It's what we do. 204 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,100 I think it's just so interesting that you were very clearly able 205 00:10:26,100 --> 00:10:28,000 to see that. These are things that you just 206 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,700 naturally, do. They are Oh, Clifford, he's 207 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:32,900 there things that become easy and you're right. 208 00:10:32,900 --> 00:10:35,600 It does truly very nicely into business. 209 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:38,300 The next thing I was thinking about when you were talking was 210 00:10:38,500 --> 00:10:41,300 you know, what have you been able to grow in your business? 211 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:44,100 So I know you're an author. I've read your book. 212 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:46,600 It's very, very good. In fact, I think I read your 213 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,400 book. I want to say it was like three 214 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,600 or four years ago. Look, it's in my Kindle, the 215 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,000 kid. I loved it. 216 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,600 And it was funny because when you say when we started talking 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,200 about you coming on the podcast, I was like that title of. 218 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,400 That book is really familiar and then I was like, That book that 219 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,500 I read like x amount of years ago, except it's just such a 220 00:11:05,500 --> 00:11:09,800 cool, like, aha moment. It was a fun book, such a great 221 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,100 book and it's so chock-full of information. 222 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,000 I started. I think that's what probably 223 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,300 sparked a, yes. There's a lot of ideas. 224 00:11:17,300 --> 00:11:19,600 Yes. Business people like, oh no, we 225 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,200 can build stuff. We can make stuff. 226 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,600 We are actually creative, like yeah, we don't just have to be 227 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,200 in the hospital so that I have to give you credit on that and 228 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,600 so everyone can hear those, this work. 229 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,400 Yeah, it's just so cool, but I know you're an author, you've 230 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,300 got your business. Do you like your business where 231 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:36,900 you teach nurses, how to grow their own writing businesses? 232 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:40,200 And then kind of what you've been able to kind of Branch out 233 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 almost like what I like to call like roots of the business. 234 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,800 And so you're able to pull in more Revenue. 235 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,200 So what have you been able to develop as an entrepreneurial 236 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,900 thanks for listening to the episode? 237 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:52,100 I hope you're enjoying the conversation. 238 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,000 I wanted to take this time and remind you to check out the 239 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,800 success and P at Z shop. 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So I think going back to how I 251 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,400 slowly left. The bedside, I think I would 252 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,500 have left sooner if 2020 didn't happen, but 2020 happen. 253 00:12:43,500 --> 00:12:46,400 And even though it took me a minute to leave the bedside, it 254 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,100 actually changed my whole business and I was doing Savvy 255 00:12:51,100 --> 00:12:56,500 nurse writer my podcast Savvy. Scribe started as like a podcast 256 00:12:56,500 --> 00:12:59,900 to help nurses go into their own freelance writing businesses. 257 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,300 The from the podcast, I was the only group coaching and then I 258 00:13:03,300 --> 00:13:06,100 developed a course, but it wasn't like where I wanted it to 259 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:10,600 be and then in 2020, I launch plan produce profit which is the 260 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,900 course for nurses to become freelance writer. 261 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:16,300 So, like the podcast feeds, you know, a feeds feeds each other. 262 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:19,400 Honestly, and that was great. It was wonderful. 263 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,800 I was helping a lot of nurses while I still had. 264 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,500 And so my business, right? RN is my freelance writing 265 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:29,700 business for myself. So like what I help nurses do 266 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:33,300 That was mine and so I had my own clients and so I would have 267 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:35,700 projects for them and then I was still coaching nurses. 268 00:13:35,700 --> 00:13:40,300 Well then in 2020 I ended up having to then be so I was the 269 00:13:40,308 --> 00:13:43,600 unit editor at that time. So like I said, I work in OB So 270 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,000 Not only was covid a mask or in the hospital. 271 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:50,000 Obie was particularly a mess because we had absolutely no 272 00:13:50,000 --> 00:14:01,900 idea about how covid-19 Of patience and a lot of nurses 273 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:04,600 quitting. I love interest of starting and 274 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:07,900 I had two handles and I was doing kind of hours so that I 275 00:14:07,900 --> 00:14:10,800 can remote teach my children, which I never want to do my 276 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,200 entire life. Plus, I had pretty much 277 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,800 full-time client work in my writing business. 278 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,900 So I was like, something has to give children, can't give him a 279 00:14:19,908 --> 00:14:23,000 job, pays my bills and my benefits. 280 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,500 I can't let that go. But the writing Biz has, I got I 281 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:28,100 got to do something here. So I coached a lot of those 282 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:29,900 nurses and I was like, hey girls. 283 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,000 I have a lot of clients and I can't meet these deadlines. 284 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,500 Anybody want some work? Oh yeah. 285 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:38,700 Well free client work. Absolutely. 286 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:43,000 So I was subcontracting these nurses to work with these 287 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,400 clients and it worked out. Wonderful, really great. 288 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,300 But then I was like, wait I think I got something here. 289 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,300 So what ended up happening over the last three years was I built 290 00:14:53,300 --> 00:14:58,700 this database of nurse writers who have Specialties from, he's 291 00:14:58,700 --> 00:15:02,000 too courteous. To mental health, to the oh, 292 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,100 beat wherever. And we have this huge database 293 00:15:05,100 --> 00:15:10,700 of writers or aspiring writers who write for clients of right 294 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:15,400 RN, that's how we're an agency. So for example, like some of our 295 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,100 clients are like Sports Illustrated or there's a mental 296 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:21,300 health eating disorder client, right? 297 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:25,000 For a few medical universities for their blog, a couple 298 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,500 Hospital blogs. So some of them want like that 299 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:31,600 eating disorder, they want Nurses that work with patients 300 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,600 being Disorder. So we're able to like match up 301 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,800 nurses with, with the client, but I'm like the middleman, so 302 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,900 now I don't do. Yeah, I don't think too much of 303 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:43,300 the writings per se. I do a lot of the project 304 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:48,000 management day-to-day stuff. So my focus is more on that and 305 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,300 on the course of my students, which is wonderful because we 306 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:54,200 have so much going on in there. It's not just like a course, we 307 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,500 have life guests and we have workshops and we have Q&A 308 00:15:57,500 --> 00:15:59,900 sessions and in a whole bunch of fun stuff to have. 309 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:03,800 Have like a community of writers not just like a course that you 310 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,900 sign up for and like learning you're done, so it's it's 311 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:10,300 awesome. It is like nothing I could ever 312 00:16:10,300 --> 00:16:13,300 predict predicted three years ago by any means you know what 313 00:16:13,300 --> 00:16:15,400 is so funny. As you were talking like I was 314 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,700 just getting like my heart just felt like it was swelling. 315 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:22,500 I was just like, oh my gosh like this is like it brings me so 316 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:25,700 much. Joy to hear how things, just 317 00:16:25,700 --> 00:16:28,000 forgetting Lee develop and you're like, wait a minute. 318 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,400 Yes, I've been here like was it something that you like 319 00:16:31,500 --> 00:16:34,700 intentionally tried to build or make or like produce like you 320 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:38,100 were just paying attention and you're just like, oh wait yeah. 321 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:42,000 I think I got something here. Like, and again, like I don't 322 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000 think it could have happened to a better person but, you know, I 323 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:49,600 think the best part two is that you go back to how you started 324 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:53,200 and where you are now and it's so incredible to watch the 325 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,800 growth. There is no cap. 326 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,400 There is no ceiling on what you can do now. 327 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,500 Yeah, right. And like, with horrible Jobs 328 00:17:00,500 --> 00:17:04,500 with, you know, any type of employment type job. 329 00:17:04,500 --> 00:17:07,800 Well, you think is just, you have opportunities, you're going 330 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,700 to have growth. But there's always a ceiling to 331 00:17:10,700 --> 00:17:14,700 talk the cap is because there's study that's dictating what you 332 00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:18,300 can and cannot do. And so by doing something for 333 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,500 yourself, and this is what I want your sister here. 334 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:24,200 Like by starting something small, even if it is not even 335 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,300 nursing related, I mean, it was for you in this case, but for 336 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:29,800 some people that's, it's not, they just want to start. 337 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,300 Ticketing and they just want to just Cricket like so do it. 338 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:37,100 Like, go get started because it could be this thing that you can 339 00:17:37,100 --> 00:17:39,400 just eventually go. Oh, wait a minute. 340 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,000 How did I? I got something here like and 341 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,900 it's just so neat to hear your story. 342 00:17:43,900 --> 00:17:47,100 And again it just fills my heart with so much joy to hear that. 343 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:51,400 Because I want that for so many nurses like again, if they want, 344 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,000 the entrepreneurial route. But even so even if this was 345 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,400 just a hobby or something that you enjoy doing, yeah. 346 00:17:58,500 --> 00:18:01,500 Talk extra money about right. It's just a little extra money 347 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:04,300 on the side, I can get you to your goals because her your 348 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:07,500 brain, you know, it's not like you're working another 12 and 349 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:11,600 like going to work and has a fine pitch for the kids and and 350 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,600 all that stuff like it's just a such a you know, there's there's 351 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,100 it's obviously not like about the money, there's so many other 352 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:21,000 things to entrepreneurship that like is things. 353 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,800 I never even knew like, you know, it's winter here right now 354 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,000 and the snow days, for example, we would like fight. 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,500 My husband died. You call off. 356 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:30,500 Do you call if I had to call? Two points. 357 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:35,400 If I call off, now you're always right now it's like everybody's 358 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,200 home. Cool, like whatever. 359 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,500 And then it's like, just in summertime, we got to go on and 360 00:18:40,508 --> 00:18:44,100 we, we took our camper, which we didn't have back then because we 361 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:46,900 can never go camping. But we took our camper this past 362 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:49,200 year up, through Maine, and, like, through the New England 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,800 area, and I had a hot spot. I was able to sit in the car for 364 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600 eight hours while he drove in answering emails and did this. 365 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,200 And that, and it was like amazing. 366 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,900 It's just, it's just a Life that I never thought we could 367 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,700 possibly have. And, you know, it's really, I've 368 00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:08,100 inspired which, you know, makes my heart swell. 369 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Other people in my life, like not just like the nurses that I 370 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,500 helped. Like my brother-in-law started a 371 00:19:14,508 --> 00:19:20,700 Tea and Spice Shop in here in Cleveland and he was a radiology 372 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:25,000 tech at the bedside like totally different and he was like I want 373 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,000 I want a different type of life and you know, if you if you feel 374 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,300 like go for it, Like, take the risk. 375 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:34,400 If you can, if you can't do Affiliated risk, like, think 376 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,700 about it now that like, like, you're going to a casino 377 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:38,800 throwing all your money away, you need to think about. 378 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,300 You need to have a plan and you need to know, okay? 379 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,100 The worst thing that could possibly happen, is this fail 380 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,000 and guess what? There's always gonna be a bad 381 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,200 side job for me, always like I'm not concerned about it, but then 382 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,000 you get this, like stubbornness inside of your stuff like, well, 383 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,200 I'm not gonna let it fail. So I'm not going to do that. 384 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:02,100 And I love what you're saying about the impact that you can 385 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:06,400 make, because you're limited to the scope of your hospital field 386 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,300 or wherever you're working, you're limited to their values 387 00:20:09,300 --> 00:20:11,700 and beliefs, right? So you know how whenever you get 388 00:20:11,700 --> 00:20:14,000 started a job and they give you that sheet of paper that says, 389 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:17,200 these are our core values. And so, like, they give you the 390 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,400 core values because Huddle's know people don't spend the time 391 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,300 personally to create their core values, but Hospital 392 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:25,600 institutions know, we need to have a set of core values, 393 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,300 because if we don't have a goal post, we don't have something 394 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:31,100 that we're trying to. Like uses our boundaries, we're 395 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:34,100 going to drift. So if you notice guys little 396 00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:37,300 setup values and beliefs and then they put them on us, right? 397 00:20:37,300 --> 00:20:38,600 And we were like these are values. 398 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,100 So you need to make sure you push them. 399 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,800 But when you're a business owner, you could just set your 400 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,500 values. You get to set your beliefs, you 401 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:48,000 get to go, it's important for me to be there. 402 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,700 When my kids need me, it's important to me to go on those 403 00:20:51,700 --> 00:20:54,300 vacations and make those core memories with my children, and 404 00:20:54,308 --> 00:20:57,600 my family, and my husband. And it's also important to me to 405 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,700 impact the Curve. Career of nursing as a whole. 406 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,600 Because think about all the other women, all the other men, 407 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,000 nurses that you were able to help grow businesses that 408 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,700 they're able to create their own lives. 409 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,100 They would have never had that impact in the hospital. 410 00:21:12,100 --> 00:21:15,400 Yes, you take care of patients, but yeah, like, individual 411 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,000 people that you're changing their lives. 412 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,400 That's so cool. Well, that's what I struggled 413 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,000 with those. And our was when I went into 414 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000 this, I was like, how am I going to help people anymore? 415 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:28,500 Like I was really struggling with that late because all I can 416 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,200 think of is Uh, nurse helped patients a nurse helps patients 417 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,300 in ourselves and I've helped so many patients over 20 years. 418 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:39,100 Like, I delivered so many people's babies that were like, 419 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,800 I called my repeat offenders. Like that come in, have more and 420 00:21:41,808 --> 00:21:44,400 more babies. And like, we're like friends now 421 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,900 and like, you see with the community and it's like, Bahama 422 00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:49,800 do that like, I miss it like how am I going to do that? 423 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:53,100 But then like you said, nurses have come to me and they're like 424 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:55,600 you helped me. Even it was like you helped me 425 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,300 get tires on my car. You only pay for groceries as 426 00:21:58,308 --> 00:22:00,300 they wish. Without you I couldn't have paid 427 00:22:00,300 --> 00:22:03,100 off my student debt. Without you I couldn't have done 428 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:09,400 this done that and I'm like oh my God, what a full career took 429 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,800 action and doing it. But truly I gave him that outlet 430 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,000 to be able to do that. And it's mind-blowing like how 431 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:19,300 you feel like you've done that and I didn't even realize it 432 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:22,400 until other people have said it. And I'm like, yes, I am. 433 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Well, that's pretty cool. Like I said, I never realized 434 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,700 people reading your book you don't even realize you're like 435 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,300 Over it, loves it. Thank you. 436 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,100 Yes, fantastic. So what is something that you 437 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:37,400 would go back and tell your younger self at the start of 438 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,900 your career that you wish, you would have known as a baby 439 00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:44,100 bedside nurse that you're like, looking back, you would give her 440 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:52,600 as a piece of advice. I think it's go to what other 441 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,100 people wanted me to do. Go back to school, go do this, 442 00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:57,600 go do that because that's what you're supposed to do. 443 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,900 And I I almost went and got a master's in either, nursing 444 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:07,300 education or Midwifery, I almost did, but I knew I didn't want to 445 00:23:07,300 --> 00:23:10,000 do that. I but I was told, well, you 446 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 know, you don't everything at the hospital here so you can go 447 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,800 into Administration or you could go into Midwifery or like that's 448 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,600 at that. I don't know. 449 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,700 That doesn't seem like where I want to go. 450 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,900 And thank God, I didn't listen to it because I don't know where 451 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:24,600 I'd be. I'd be in a lot of debt, only 452 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,400 because I want to be pursuing what that was supposed to do. 453 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,900 Like, I like so, there's I think it's just a lot of it's just 454 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:35,600 follow your heart. Always always look Beyond like 455 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,800 where you are. Like if there's like look like 456 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,100 always educate yourself on everything. 457 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:44,000 It it's like, it doesn't matter if it's a diagnosis that 458 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,200 somebody has that you never heard of go look it up like 459 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,300 figure it out and just be prepared and just know that 460 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:53,900 there's your life isn't what it's going to look like now. 461 00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:56,100 Like it shouldn't it shouldn't look like what it does. 462 00:23:56,100 --> 00:23:58,900 Now 10 years from now it shouldn't be yes or no. 463 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,900 Bro, you know, that's good. But you're not growing. 464 00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:05,200 You're stagnant and I love what you said about the debt and the 465 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Midwifery program or the Masters, because it would also 466 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,000 that debt keeps you Shackled, right? 467 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,600 It keeps you Shackled. Yeah. 468 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,000 You the hospital and either in a loan repayment type project. 469 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,300 Huh? Exactly. 470 00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:21,200 You're in a contract or even some of the nurses will find 471 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,400 themselves needing that income to pay their student loans. 472 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,700 Because their student loan is, is almost as much as their car 473 00:24:26,700 --> 00:24:29,900 payment, you know, like or more. It's like, As much as they're, 474 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:31,600 you know, how depending on where you go to school. 475 00:24:31,700 --> 00:24:35,000 They can be very expensive and so it's like, again, that's why 476 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,600 the side hustle. It's the side. 477 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,800 Hustle thing has become something I've been fixating on 478 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,300 because it's like the more we start to diversify our income, 479 00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:46,000 the more it does give us freedom, it gives us options, it 480 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,900 gives us again if you could possibly make money while you're 481 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:50,800 asleep. I mean, come on. 482 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,300 This is like, this is, this is what we need to be doing, is 483 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,800 Nurses to set ourselves free. So that in turn we can turn to 484 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,600 hospitals and say Okay, so I know these are your beliefs and 485 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,800 values, but here are my. So for us to work together, 486 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,400 you're going to need to adhere to my beliefs and values because 487 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,800 I'm not just going to push yours. 488 00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:10,600 I'm going to push mine because I'm in this relationship as 489 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,200 well, right? And so we're both going to come 490 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400 together and work together because I'm only going to do 491 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,200 this. I don't need you for the full 40 492 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,300 hours a week. I don't need the, you know, 493 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,800 whatever it is, whatever it is, that you need the hot before. 494 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:26,600 You guys can create a symbiotic relationship. 495 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,400 Instead of this solo, the solo. Nation ship and I just need you, 496 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,900 please don't let me go because you're hearing about the nurses, 497 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:34,600 right? You know, striking up and 498 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,300 cyanide on its sting all this stuff on Instagram and I'm like, 499 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,300 what is going on? But I do just kind of go like, 500 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:42,700 yes, I don't know what's happening but we're fighting 501 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,400 back. We're trying to say, Hey listen, 502 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,300 like value was and so I when I solve it wasn't just about 503 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,800 money, it's not about money than they just think that nurses are 504 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,500 so greedy and it's like, well, first off just pay us, what were 505 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:57,100 worth? Nobody will be greedy and second 506 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:58,800 like, no, it's not about that spot. 507 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,200 Our safety is but our length that we work so hard for like 508 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,200 disrespect us and yeah, it's a shame. 509 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,400 It really is that they that they just don't see it and that 510 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,500 nurses a little piano sickening, honestly. 511 00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:14,500 Yes, I love the movie ants. Have you seen that movie? 512 00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:16,900 Answer you give kids. Yeah, you remember ants. 513 00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:19,100 Yes. So I remember watching it just 514 00:26:19,100 --> 00:26:22,600 recently with my toddler and I saw it through a different lens 515 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,600 for the first time. Like I watched it before and on 516 00:26:24,608 --> 00:26:27,100 the go and it's revolting against the Crickets, but the 517 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:28,900 ants outnumbered the Crickets, right? 518 00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:33,800 Like there's four million nurses, there's 400,000 plus or 519 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,500 minus nurse practitioners like there's a whole lot of us and 520 00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,900 yet we let the Crickets come in and run the place. 521 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:43,900 You know what I'm saying? Yeah so I remember watching 522 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,600 minutes that you know is it got a Disney movie? 523 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,800 I don't know why I'm getting amped up about this like Disney 524 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600 movie and my kid is just like, you know, they're just antsy 525 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:52,900 crickets. Like it's not ants. 526 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,800 It's the nurses and it's the, you know, but their head. 527 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,200 Yeah. You watch that movie now, 528 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:09,000 everyone watches it, you're like that like we need to see our 529 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,300 value, we need to know our worth and then we need to Advocate to 530 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,100 be treated that way. And so yeah I agree with you 531 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:20,900 100% wonderfully sad when things really like pissed me off that 532 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,900 are like safety-related and they're not respecting nurses 533 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,800 and like whatever. They would like come up on our 534 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,100 new unit and they're like we're going to be cutting staff and 535 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:30,200 blah blah blah blah blah. And I be the only one to speak 536 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,600 up. Nobody would speak up. 537 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,000 I don't know if they're afraid of you're fired. 538 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:36,200 If I just didn't care, I was just like, you can't do that. 539 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,500 Like, why would you do that arrays? 540 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:41,800 Like, you know, it's true that's like, never be in a like a 541 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,600 dinner roll because I'm not a yes, man. 542 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,800 And I'm not going to stand for it and I think that's kind of 543 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,800 what pushed me to the limit. At the end of my career. 544 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,900 At the bedside was I couldn't. I couldn't handle it anymore, I 545 00:27:54,900 --> 00:28:00,400 couldn't handle the dictatorship and the You know, the ruling us 546 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,900 all the time and it's like, no, no. 547 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:05,300 That's just because we work for you doesn't mean you own us. 548 00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,700 And yes, that's how it is. I hate it. 549 00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,000 Yeah, I went up there recently just to visit and everybody's 550 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,100 like, oh you coming back to me and I just still saw it. 551 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:20,800 I'm like couple things here then I'm like that's the reason I 552 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,800 left. That's the reason I left and I'm 553 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200 like, it's still it's so prevalent now and when you're in 554 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:27,900 it you're like yeah I could deal with it. 555 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,000 Yeah, I could do with it now. I don't have to deal with it, 556 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,800 I'm like, oh, I'm so glad I'm not there. 557 00:28:32,100 --> 00:28:34,500 So glad ya know and I think, you know, it is so funny. 558 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:37,700 I just had this thought as you were talking, but again, I think 559 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,200 going back to that same mentality of getting hospitals, 560 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,500 to respect our our skills and our value. 561 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:47,800 When you begin to operate and you start to see your worth and 562 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,600 value, you then require everyone else around you to step up its 563 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,400 like I'm just not going to take you where I'm gonna go and so 564 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,700 when you swing hot will start to view us that way, it's less 565 00:28:57,700 --> 00:29:01,700 about, you know, No becomes more about Nurse retention. 566 00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:04,000 How do we keep nurses? Because they have so many 567 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,400 options that were just one of them. 568 00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,100 Okay, we're not the only one, right? 569 00:29:09,100 --> 00:29:12,100 And, so, when nurses start branching out and saying, yo, 570 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:15,300 yo, I've got another incomes. Think you're just one of them. 571 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:17,900 So what you're not going to do is run me ragged? 572 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,400 What you're not going to do? Like when nurses have the 573 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,000 option, then it's almost like dating, right? 574 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,100 Like, it's another like sounds come, yes, but it is. 575 00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:26,500 It's like dating your just like listen. 576 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,800 Yeah I got a I got this guy guy after me. 577 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,700 This guy after me, I married this guy, because he's great. 578 00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:34,200 And then I'm thinking about adding another one. 579 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,300 So, I'm just letting you know, like, if you don't worry about, 580 00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:39,500 it's fine, I've got other ones like it's very, that's okay, 581 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,200 right? Ready? 582 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:51,000 All of us, girls, get you more choices. 583 00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,300 It's so funny to me, how, like, skittish, like, nurses, get 584 00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:37,400 around, even doctors or the CEO, or whatever, who cares they are. 585 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,200 Human beings are going to see him, you know, Giant Eagle, our 586 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,600 grocery store down the road, like they're just normal human 587 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,600 beings and I think that's the other thing too. 588 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,700 Is a lot of people can't talk to the higher-ups because they're 589 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:53,000 like they're afraid or something and it's nonsense. 590 00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,300 It's that so yeah no it's true. And what you're saying is Well 591 00:30:56,300 --> 00:31:00,700 as again, I think in healthcare. We see ourselves as like the 592 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,500 that we separate ourselves from the patient and even that is 593 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,600 like another hierarchy class, you know, we're ossification 594 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,900 that we try to live with. Those are the patients on the 595 00:31:10,900 --> 00:31:12,400 nurse? Then there's the nurse practice. 596 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,900 Yes. And there's the doctor, then 597 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,800 there's, you know, him sugar. And so, there's this like class 598 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,000 system when we realized, like, no, look, we're all rowing the 599 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,500 same boat, like we're all Moors. And so without us, the boat 600 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:27,700 doesn't go just like without the doctors. 601 00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:30,600 The boats don't go in. And without the people running 602 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,900 the business, it doesn't go. I mean, we're all needed and so 603 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:35,900 it needs to be kind of more of a collaborative thing. 604 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,600 I like this book called. I think it's good to great or 605 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,900 built to last. Those two books are so good but 606 00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:44,200 they talked a lot about getting the right people on the bus, 607 00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,800 right? And so a bus, all the seats on 608 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,800 the bus, like you just gotta get the bus rolling and you want the 609 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,400 right people in the right spots, doing the right things that are 610 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,800 towards, you know, that shows them that they're respectful the 611 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,600 respecting, their needed on the bus because the 1st is necessary 612 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,400 for the bus to get going. But having the right people in 613 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,900 the right spots. And so I like that book a lot 614 00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:07,700 because it just kind of goes back to like that that mindset 615 00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,200 of like we're all needed like none of us or any higher or 616 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,000 lower. But just something about human 617 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,900 nature. Just wants to devalue certain 618 00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:18,200 people and lift other people up and it's just like, yeah, we've 619 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,800 got to fight that because you will find that you can be a 620 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,900 janitor and have more influence on people and some of the 621 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:31,200 Physicians and I've met doctors that I If my son acted like this 622 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,400 guy, I would be so upset. I have failed as a parent. 623 00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,100 Whereas I'll need a janitor and I'm like having that my kid acts 624 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:40,300 like that. Janitor I would be so proud of 625 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:42,200 him because he works his butt off. 626 00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:44,800 He doesn't complain. He's always looking at, he'll 627 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,800 look for the patient and he'll go into the room and he'll bring 628 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400 something to the patient. I'm like just the janitor 629 00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:54,300 venetians pride in church. Yes, you're just the janitor but 630 00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:57,000 I've seen them do little things for people. 631 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,600 Some of them have done that and I'm think this Sons of leader. 632 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,600 Period doesn't matter what they're doing. 633 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,900 They're just leading. Yeah, and it's incredible to 634 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:07,000 watch. So today, for the last part of 635 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,400 the interview, let's just leave it on that, is the rapid fire 636 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,500 questions that I want to get. I want you to give a Shameless 637 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:16,500 plug for your business. Okay, so okay, what is your 638 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,000 favorite holiday? My favorite holiday is 639 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,400 Halloween, because I have a addiction. 640 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,100 You're the first to come on with Halloween just like the candy. 641 00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,600 That's so funny. So funny. 642 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,500 And then what is your spirit animal? 643 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,000 If you had to pick an animal that you felt like you see and 644 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,100 you're like my spirit. Isn't that animal? 645 00:33:39,500 --> 00:33:42,400 What would you say? Bird any type of bird? 646 00:33:42,500 --> 00:33:46,500 I feel like I feel like birds and I like, I don't know, I 647 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:49,600 think because they can go anywhere they want and they're 648 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,000 not limited limited, by anything they could go south. 649 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,100 They could go north, like they can do whatever they want. 650 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:55,600 I think that's what I like about a bird. 651 00:33:55,900 --> 00:33:58,700 So when I asked you that question, you know what animal 652 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,700 Pops in my head for you and an eagle and eagle and I don't know 653 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:06,100 why it's ego. And then you send bird and I was 654 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:08,199 like, well there it is. I just knew it. 655 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,400 I was like she's like an eagle totally what. 656 00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:13,900 Okay. And then like five foot and like 657 00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,300 100 pounds, really small Eagle but I would eat the eagle. 658 00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:19,900 That's funny. And then what are your favorite? 659 00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:21,600 Pizza? Toppings, if you have any GE 660 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,699 Pizza, I don't know if you pizza but what is a favorite pizza? 661 00:34:23,699 --> 00:34:25,199 Topping pizza? Yeah. 662 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,000 Like veggie person, like any like, all the things, all the 663 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,000 things, all the things, like everything, like pineapple with 664 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000 like a mushroom all of it. Never actually had anchovies, 665 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,300 but I'd probably go up. I don't know, I'm not picky. 666 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,100 I can't have all that together that or if you chicken pizza, 667 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,100 that's a good fuck. Yeah, that's good. 668 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,699 So please tell my guests were, they can find you. 669 00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,000 Give it a Shameless plug for your business before we get out 670 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,600 of here. Yes. 671 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,000 So my nurses. Is who are interested in hiring 672 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000 freelance writing, seeing if it's something that you would 673 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,100 like, go to Savvy nurse writer.com, or check out the 674 00:35:07,107 --> 00:35:09,400 podcast. This a crap, guys. 675 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,200 I'll link our stuff in the show notes. 676 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,100 Thanks for coming on to the podcast today. 677 00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:15,900 And listening, I hope you were able to get something from 678 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,300 today's message and that you guys got there and enjoy the 679 00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:20,700 journey of your careers. 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