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number 7 of the doctor nurse 
podcast. 

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Unscripted this week, we are 
talking work-life. 

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Mom life. 
We are chatting. 

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Is Ashley recktenwald. 
She is a PA in the founder of 

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working mom notes, which is the 
support of platform from working

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mothers after having her 
struggle returning back to work 

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after her first child, she 
really started to develop 

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community and create a platform 
for working moms to share 

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quote-unquote notes from when 
they went back to work. 

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So her part her, her podcast, as
well as her website. 

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It contains tons of information 
regarding discussing salary, 

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gaps, work, travel maternity, 
leave rights, postpartum 

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depression, anxiety, and a bunch
of topics. 

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A bunch of topics that I think 
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mom's returning back to the 
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And, as I said, she's a PA, 
she's now a mother to three 

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little girls. 
And she spends most of her days,

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working on working mom notes. 
So guys, check it out. 

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Hope you guys enjoyed the 
podcast, all her links are in 

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the show notes and Hope you guys
have a wonderful and merry 

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Christmas. 
All right, thanks for hanging 

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out. 
Hi doctor nurse podcast, 

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unscripted. 
And I am so happy to have on 

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today. 
Ashley, the founder of working 

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mom notes and she's got a 
supportive platform for working 

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mothers and she and I are 
connect a lot on a lot of topics

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that we find to just be like, 
what the heck is going on here? 

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And so, I wanted to bring her on
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things as PA and as a nurse 
practitioner that we found in 

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healthcare as working moms that 
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So Ashley welcome. 
Oh, thank you so much for having

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me. 
I'm so excited to be here and 

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get fired up with you. 
Let's get a, let's do it. 

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So, let's just go ahead and Dive
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Let's introduce yourself kind of
how you see your role, these 

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days what you're working on and 
just share your story. 

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I want to hear a little bit 
about your Shark Tank pitch. 

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You got a shark tank pitch? 
I want to hear about it all, all

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right. 
No, my name is Ashley 

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recktenwald. 
I am a physician assistant. 

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I specialize in Orthopedics, and
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before that I was an athletic 
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So I'm all in sports medicine. 
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Jersey and I've three children 
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three. 
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was working full-time in the 
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practice. 
So I was doing it, all I was in.

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The operating room three days a 
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skates on. 
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every 10 minutes all day long. 
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We were flying and then I got 
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I just had no idea what I was 
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I mean, this was 7 years ago, so
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Hood, resources out there now. 
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nothing. 
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group to do two things meet 
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full-time to who are moms 
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going to work coming home and 
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these women questions about how 
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Where do I keep my breast milk, 
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I had no idea how to navigate 
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So it started out as a Facebook 
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I call working mom notes because
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motherhood and the community has
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Mom, meetups and we Really can 
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know each other and ask all 
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it's a national platform. 
Where really the goal is just to

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streamline information for a 
working mom, so that they feel 

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empowered through both Community
feeling like they have a village

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and experience meaning knowing 
where they can go and get the 

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resources. 
They need to thrive as a working

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mom. 
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I love all of that because it's 
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wonderful picture of exactly 
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the Wilderness after you've gone
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And then you go back into the 
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couldn't. 
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sitting down, too tight after 
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even type, right? 
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foreign, like, the behaviors 
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taken such a long time to go 
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So, it's like, even in those 
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okay, wait. 
With what do I need to do? 

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Okay, I got to get back to the 
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brain like just trying to. 
Remember ya do I remember how to

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like, do like tie in the or, you
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you know, just way back to that 
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you're at home with your baby 
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new things getting to know this 
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become a different person, your 
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of, you know, Rocketed. 
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you're supposed to be the same 
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not anymore kind of an identity 
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Yes, am I still relevant in this
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Like, is this the right place 
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Do I, you know, what do I love? 
What do I need to change about 

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this routine? 
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again, well said. 
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thinking as you were talking, I 
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that you I guess have learned 
throughout this time for working

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moms and they first come back to
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That's kind of the thing that I 
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Most with since coming back as a
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about some about the podcast 

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that it looks different for 
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But what are some of those 
things that you just kind of see

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the common themes reverberating 
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and you're working mom notes. 
I really think the most 

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important thing is built. 
Adding The Village so many women

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these days. 
Don't have a village, they don't

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feel like they have a village to
lean on and that is truly the 

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most important thing. 
The biggest mistake, I don't, I 

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really even I hate pulling in a 
mistake, but it was a 

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misconception I had was that you
have a baby and it's like poof 

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your village appears, but that's
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And I was confused like, wait, 
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Where's my Village? 
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everyone's just so busy living 
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That it's not that they don't 
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village, but you need to be very
clear and explicit in how 

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different people can play a role
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And it's important for you to 
know what that means, and what 

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that looks like. 
No one else can Define that for 

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you. 
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biggest thing, quote-unquote 
pack, if you will is really work

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hard to build the village. 
Like when your Pregnant, you 

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know, get out there, it's really
uncomfortable meeting new 

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people, but it is so worth it in
the end just to have people that

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you can rely on get to know your
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Get to know the people in your 
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know, beyond your co-workers. 
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That makes a huge difference. 
Also, childcare really try to 

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tear yourself up with not just 
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scare but honestly, like five or
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back to your village of okay, 
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Like how sick is my baby, not 
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home, but sick enough that they 
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What does that look like for 
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And if you have a partner and if
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partner with a flexible work 
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for the two of you. 
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was not flexible even less than 
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Like, when we needed to be at 

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work, we both needed to be at 
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So then, what do we do? 
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I've done daycare centers. 

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I've done nannies. 
You know, I've piecemealed it 

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all together, but the most 
important thing is just to be 

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able to have that list of people
that you can call like so that 

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you can feel in control what's 
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Get crazy. 
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is except At this is emotionally
exhausting and you're physically

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recovering, and people like to 
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think that we need to just throw
that idea out the window and 

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really allow ourselves that time
and space to have this emotional

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exhaustion as you're figuring 
out Life as a new mom and 

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getting to know, your new baby 
that is emotionally exhausting 

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on top of being physically. 
Ting being up in the middle of 

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the night, you know, recovering 
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itself or learning how to 
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But all of this. 
Thank you people to put too much

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on their plate because they want
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think scaling back and re 
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yourself and giving yourself 
that Grace to allow for healing 

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both emotionally. 
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emotionally, which takes up a 
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a huge difference. 
Going back to work. 

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Why are you tired? 
Because you're doing a lot, your

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body is going through a lot. 
And I think if we acknowledge 

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that and recognize it, it we 
won't be so hard on ourselves 

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because that's the worst thing 
is when people new moms, 

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especially or so hard on their 
shelves, returning to work, 

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like, it's just not the same. 
I'm so exhausted. 

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Well, yeah, it is. 
It's very exhausting. 

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So holding that space for 
yourself. 

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Yeah. 
I think is so essential, 

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otherwise we burn out too 
quickly. 

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. 
That's exactly what happens. 

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And you said, so many things in 
there that I want to respond to,

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I think the biggest take-home is
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said, just realizing whenever 
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people to talk to you where 
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grandmother and the The aunts 
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kid and like, you just go over 
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you currently working as a PA 
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somewhere in the pandemic, you 
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he were fighting burnout. 
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Your Own Thing. 
Tell me a little bit about which

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I love side hustles, becoming 
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How did This happened for you. 
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Unscripted, I would like to take
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website on this website. 

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to the episode. 
So, that's correct. 

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I'm not currently working as a 
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certifications are up to date. 
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at some point and I mean, that's
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opportunity to do part-time 
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Versus as a PA, you know, I was 
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Maybe I'll do just surgery or, 
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opportunities to Pivot even 
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I thought was so wonderful for 
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I had had my third baby and six 
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busy busy Private, Practice 
taking call taking weekend, call

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some holiday call and it was was
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anxiety. 
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concept of meaning to return to 
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performance, and not being sure 
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three hospitals when I was on 
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patient, it was a lot. 
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just I would just slowly. 
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office role and then they 
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are from a salaried position to 
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really discussing it well. 
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pushed being pushed out, feels 
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small company and I said, you 
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seven for how many years have 
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almost eight years. 
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eight-year-old like an 
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years working through mobile 
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This is how and I work, you 
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Wow, incredible to my due date, 
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living in the stress living in 
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jazz. 
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medically research base, the 
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then as you were kind of 
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Oh my God, this stuff fires me 
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kind of stuff because it's like 
do we value what women are doing

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instead of just coming and 
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conversation with you? 
Hey what's going on? 

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How are you doing? 
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a bird of peace. 
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depression, we don't ask how 
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deprived pumping learning how to
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You're doing it all, and the 
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out to pasture. 
Yeah, she's not worth much 

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anymore but her just the better 
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So what they're doing right? 
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thinking okay I'm definitely 
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third. 
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great. 
I can finally now Focus back on 

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work. 
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really building up words, not 
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So it was disappointing. 
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roles and then the Panic hit and
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didn't know anything at that 
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children or, and I was like, 
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to my kids and I pulled, all of 
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okay, I need to be home with my 
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really weird, like I was doing 
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it was so strange not week off, 
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It was so strange. 
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working mom notes on the side 
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this is a really awesome 
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to this community building an 
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And here we are now two years 
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been so wonderful. 
The people that I've connected 

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with, and the lives impacted and
the things that we've done 

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including, I put together a 
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Our transparency report. 
It's on an Excel sheet. 

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I'll have to lose for you. 
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what experience is like for them
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advice how much they're making 
how many years experience some 

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of them put their email down so 
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and this is like hundreds of 
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like almost I think almost 1,000
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rolling list. 
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It's just been really fun to see
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positive way to things first. 
I love the idea of women coming 

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together and building. 
This is building options for 

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other women. 
No other human is going to 

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understand this this struggle 
unless you've been there like I 

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have worked full-time. 
I remember just being like Oh my

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gosh. 
This is gonna kill me. 

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Like if I keep doing this like 
I'm and then to see how your job

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To you and you're like wait this
person is making more than me 

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like all these things if you can
see if we could open the doors. 

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To one another, you hear about 
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look out for each other but 
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The second thing that I love 
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you kept working mom notes going
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possible option and that's 
something that I want, all of my

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listeners, especially my mom's 
to here is that yes, you have a 

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job. 
Yes, your mom. 

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But you need to be building 
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side. 
Something that you're passionate

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about something that you can get
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talk about because that is part 
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were prior to your child writing
on Instagram. 

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People like how do you come up 
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And I was like, it's literally 
like a public Journal. 

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It's not like I'm I didn't do it
to create content. 

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I was doing it because I had the
all these pent-up feelings 

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inside that. 
Had to get out and something 

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about hitting send on the post 
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world and having women come back
and basically validate my 

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experience by saying, oh my 
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this way too. 
You know, everyone said you're 

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so great for talking about these
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because I was literally going 
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talking about them. 
And this platform was really to 

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help me like Yes, I'm helping 
people French talking about it 

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but they're helping me just as 
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just me, it's like a normal 
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So I think it's important. 
It's can be really scary to be 

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vulnerable and talk about those 
tough things that you're 

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thinking or feeling but that's 
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Those hard conversations to your
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about finding that thing for 
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author. 
Her name is Eve, Ron ski She 

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wrote the book, fair play Method
and it's amazing. 

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If you're having trouble with 
your husband, after this baby 

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has now arrived, and you're 
doing all the things in 

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healthcare and your partner's 
doing all the things in their 

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job. 
This is I just highly recommend 

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it. 
I mean I literally sat down it's

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a deck of cards and it breaks up
all the tasks that you have to 

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do all of them. 
And if you want to know why your

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burns out, just go cold fair 
play game are play. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, and it comes, you started 

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breaking up. 
It's called fair play. 

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Okay, fair play. 
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and the book outlines how to do 
it and how to use It. 

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Ultimately, you know, I sat down
and looked at this deck of cards

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and I was holding about 70 cars,
and my husband was holding about

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15 and it's like, well, no 
wonder I'm so tired because I'm 

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holding all the cards, and it's 
easier for him to see, or your 

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partner. 
See because you're like, okay, I

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need you to take these, you need
to take the cars and now they 

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need to be your response. 
Yeah, so it's just a really nice

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way to have. 
That is so good. 

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Hmm. 
And she did a follow-up book 

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called unicorns face. 
So it's called Finding Your 

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unicorn space which is what 
you're referring to that passion

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project or just a place for you 
and she has dubbed. 

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It her unicorn space, like 
whatever that means to you, is 

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you Your passion. 
Yeah, and again like you said it

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doesn't have to be my eyes. 
I mean when I first started 

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doing podcasting, it was me 
pouring money into all the 

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different things I needed to 
keep the podcast going and that 

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was it. 
And I was just like I'm just 

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going to talk because that's 
what I feel like I'm good at and

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I just it's cathartic to me to 
talk to people about what 

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they're doing with their 
careers. 

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And someone that had just 
recently, kind of had the shell 

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shock of, like, I have to work, 
I have to go back. 

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I wasn't prepared, I'm not. 
Is anybody else? 

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But prepared, I can't be the 
only one that didn't see this 

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coming. 
I began to go. 

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I want to have these 
conversations. 

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And yes, it was to help me, but 
it ended up being that I was 

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solving the problem for other 
people, too, because I'm not 

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alone and you aren't alone. 
We are all in this. 

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And one of the Instagram post, I
think is so funny. 

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You posted about. 
I was a PA should work like 54 

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hours in a week and she came 
home and she's like, it's harder

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being a stay-at-home mom that it
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And we need to give ourselves 
space. 

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His mom's and as women to 
recognize that the work of being

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at home is extremely tough and 
extremely valuable. 

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And we need to start valuing 
ourselves in those roles because

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I think, reverberating not just 
in nursing. 

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I don't know if it's this way 
with Pas, but it definitely is 

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this way in nursing is that 
women don't know their worth. 

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We, for whatever reason Society,
or in culture, or I don't know 

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what just gives. 
Is this this final thing within 

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women to kind of go, we're not 
enough and we aren't worth 

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certain things. 
I need to start understanding 

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what my value is, and either go 
that needs to go, I can't do 

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this. 
I gotta say no to this because 

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I'm still valuable, you could be
replaced tomorrow and you are 

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irreplaceable in your home. 
You are irreplaceable in your 

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home. 
I want to normalize this 

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conversation. 
I want to normalize pay 

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transparency. 
I see I talk about my salary all

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the time on the podcast and 
like, this is what I'm making. 

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Our people are like, oh gosh, 
poor thing, you know, like I 

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talk about that stuff because I 
want people to know, like, I 

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went part-time, but it was a 70 
80, 80 percent, pay cut, but for

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me, that number of what I'm 
missing is vital, it's my 

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sanity, it's my sleep. 
It's my, it's my time with my 

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son, it's my memories that space
for me, has imminent value for 

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me? 
It might not be the same for 

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you, and so everyone do what's 
good for you. 

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But listen to yourself. 
Because if you're not listening,

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you're going to wake up a 50 and
60 and you can regret the 

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decisions that you made through 
your 20s and your 30s and your 

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40s. 
Come on, let's are they can find

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you Ashley. 
If they're like, oh, I want, is 

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I want to see what she's talking
about, like what is it that 

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she's talking about that 
impressed and her so much so you

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can find me, I try to post daily
on Instagram at working. 

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Mom note basically every social 
media platform, that's my 

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handle, whether it be Twitter, 
Instagram, Facebook, if you are 

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in the New Jersey area, we do. 
Have a private community on 

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Facebook for working mom. 
Notes again, just search that 

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name. 
I also run for my local 

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community, emergency babysitter 
group so that when parents are 

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in need of emergency cut 
childcare, they send me a form 

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and I blast it out to like 
hundreds of babysitters locally 

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in our area. 
So all these little things you 

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can make this stuff too, I know 
moms are so burned out but it's 

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not just me that can You can do 
it too. 

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If you need more people in your 
community who say, just create a

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Facebook group or throw a 
message in people's mailboxes, 

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hey, love to start a group, me 
chat, or whatever it is. 

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It's possible. 
It takes a little bit of effort 

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but it's well worth it. 
I always always say it will pay 

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you back tenfold. 
It's just getting going and if 

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you need the inspiration to get 
going, then come follow me at 

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working mom notes. 
And feel free to DM me. 

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Anytime I try to reply to 
everyone. 

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And it's been really a pleasure 
talking to you. 

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Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you Ashley. 

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Thanks for tuning in to the 
doctors podcast. 

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So that's a wrap, be sure to 
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Reminder, the information on 

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